a friend sort of odd numbers so, so use the rest of the world. we are recording this interview on the sidelines, have developed a conference, and many of its experts believe that. one of the reasons why china is international posture has changed, is because it's calculated that, you know, with the world as it is uh, this stance of contemplative distancing is damaging, not only to china's future, but the china is in egypt presence. and it's challenge, 1st and foremost by the united states. do you agree with that? china, in the historical firms or positions that you can always provide some publicly for the 1st around the world just as easy as why in the east asia after it is there is a very strong chinese culture you for this 100 countries. and as there was at its destination just to grow to, which does the interruption culture in terms of the things that used as a west. and i think it's a lift very positively in the memory. he's not a member even full uh,

no contemporary toward says. so i think there is not so many change you see is that means china is a continuous. the tradition continued. it's tradition of how to deal with this around the world and a partially i always use that. so yes, williams and new presents and to have new ideas and doing china is power become a have more power not only from perspective, with dps, so always or so these rising. and so the forty's waiting for china is he want me to moly woman to use the, the word of this is the reason i say is, would it be fair to say that the biggest difference between china in the united states when it comes to providing public goods for humanities, the fact that china is actually providing and the united states is talking about providing and the more it talks and the less a does this gap between what is sad and what is done becomes far more apparent to

all other players. and i, i think can, yes, this is a pato is a different spots. the main difference, i think lising the, the, the, the how to use these particles when time provided was it because without any political conditions, we don't ask the receptor to change that folks, i'm a non so laws. and so, and that's who just said ok, you need to investment. so list, there's a top rate. so these, the big difference between china and so western countries, especially the, in the between china in the united states. many here in russian believe that russia initiated it smells reparation. and ukraine only when it's calculated that the confrontation with the west is inevitable. do you seeing at this point that the confrontation between china and the west is inevitable, given that the west seas, your efforts to be present in the world as adversarial? does this simple fact of your doing? what you believe needs to be done is already defined as

a threat to america. yeah. now i become a she needs to because before exercising because that's it's, and i don't think that china ends, you know, stays competition, law even reliable. this cannot be avoidable. as in case you'd see, we have very good uh, economic, under trade, the mentors, things. and so you might remember have a good room and memory about the 2000 pounds. you, you post on 10. there was a conference seminar or so organized by the, by the end to use the china no more, you know, so we have worked for and the russian guys say that's the main contradiction. use of tentative for so central if you turn any and i say it will be that the combination beginning tomatoes and you've been trying to don't want to get . he walked into this complex and as he stays in this ad, i will enforce the china into this competition at a time. no one even chinese export will. would agree with east pine, but no, it's

a reality service. so i think that's it's, it is a risk because nissan people, china has, has a willingness, lieutenant, and your last isn't united states position as a huge amount in the word. but because the most as perception about china is a threat, as you said, and no matter what china will know what to do, we have done a lot try to soften this kind of, you know, coverage combination between, between china and say about so without any results do you think the chinese recent decision to become formal, pro, proactive internationally is in any way related to this change of prospective in, in china, that as much as you try to stay peaceful and on good terms with the united states, it may not ultimately be possible to even use ally of the trying to sign on united states or is it was a china or so it has

a continue to do some good things for these. this is why you want me and a if he's comfortable. and so he, nice days has my have met and he's got a 1st time what you were sent to 3 years. we have is the same, you know, a press release. yeah. so they, they met but they also, um, if anyone follows the sort of the style of the interaction in the press release as it's china is no longer sitting quietly and politely, you know, it tells to the american straight what they things and you know, what kind of attitude should, should be, you know, practiced on the global stage that china is not to be lectured. the china is not to be told what to do. and the americans are having very hard time accepting that. do you think that just public policy being more forceful or you know, spending your ground may help to change the relationship? who met the is it something that you are right to is up to?

yes. you know, but as i observed, that not only is that relationship between turn it in the space, but also what can find a sound, you know, sick knows, or some elements. things are relations between you and the russian and you, nice day to russian was a west west, a different country. and so emotional softer no plays more and more important through. so to me, just to be fully said is that there is a political men of good economic main, we'd show a very russian though russian entities. yes. but nowadays, i think the china also is talking about was, was nest is from a different perspective. the income is always the previous period, which is a nice day because i have a higher position in china, but not as caesar. we go strictly, we can direct and we, we are equal. this is quite important for the chinese diplomacy. i think russia also has a sense now the united states have no problem. return is it cannot make christ as

long as it believe that china could be folded into westerns, dominated world both economically and politically. what kind of china do you think would satisfy the west? and how is that vision of china? is different from the kind of china. china wants to be in a, china is not so then use release the nest as the state of china or waste because china did a lot from the pennies policy towards the western word. i mean, from the, the 1978 the wing china for the policy. it was a code of the reform and opened up. and china from is that point is up to the time to become part of the west award, which he was dominated by the united states and china. back to let join into the google as ation process, which was these led by the most days of after the collapse of safety unit. and china joan is the w to china. he did turn it especially that way,

eastern and the southern part of china as the coast of china, the integrated into the war to international if you're still integrated on your own terms without becoming westernized, as we actually do, believed the power. so i mean, to remain a, to have the lead cultural, you know, culturally yes, yeah. politically, japan is fully subservient to exist with. yeah, i agree the china use, i mean, economically china is part of so is this is in today's position, china television changed and the china. so when the source are changed, i mean, we would like not only just as with the west as a teacher and the chinese students know we are the way you core partner. we, we want to, we don't want to rebuild the international order. we just don't joins award and to, to reform the words to mix of word more uh, more equal for the other basements of boys at domino. so we just had them. oh,

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local vegetables. a part of the young chain professor and executive do outpatient hi academy for global governance and area studies. edwin hine, to national studies university. dr. young, it occurred to me as we were discussing before the break, the need to change the world order that we both keep referring to the world as the western world, you know, and global economy as supposedly western economy. when, when instructing belongs to all of us, i mean, there are many countries beyond russia, china, the united states that want to have their influence in the world that have something to offer to humanity. you know, each of us as unique and each nation is unique with its own unique solutions for humanity problems. the americans believe that if you allow everybody to sort of and

that it has the destiny, it will lead to k is, is it necessarily so in your view? so this means a different difference between china in india and nice to is and different between china. uh the, you know, states in the rush. i mean, we understand is the word the word or 5th different today because we're trying to, it just says you measuring that. we think that there are different sort of nations . so is different to thinking so that so we cannot use the one read the one a method to, to, to do a, to result our problems. so a here i think it is the seems to me is that so the reason is the missionary you understand the issue is related to the missionary and exploded it because the united states is not only as we were discussing before, is not actually sharing and creating public good. it wants to take more than have good. yeah. yes and time. then the seas, it's a there use us as a code to, you know, a center, a very, you know, a framework to understanding that for words. but china is not within that to every,

every country of engaging is equal in civilization, no matter what some countries um, what do up to these are there are some countries and what maybe a lack of different meant to. but so i logical to see what additional is the equal . so this is our understanding and so these kind want us to end and we provide ways to so many ideas and for the, for the whole water and such as the us code is easier to future the company to share, to fusion. and you can listen to 3 as a re shooting, being delivered to a new approach. new understanding of for these companies. there is a 3 east case needs to be seen as it relates to that go up into, into, to the security and also to the sort of the code global ethics of grew up in significant global security. and if you knew, ended this year, during the fall of a forum, he delivered the initiative was a co global, a serialization. a news does not. now i think i called at the least,

i mean versus we approach and they are, the chinese are now in favor of we. but as your power grows as your influence grow, as do you think china will be able to withstand the temptations? alpha reserved thing. uh, all the power and implants for itself on the, for its own interest. no. uh, actually, even uh, we were talking about the entries, the small top boats, the only china is national interest. if everyone, every country, every nation book only is the, would like to talk about each national interest to you and it will, they're difficult to find out overlapping interest. so china, the ways you have your own interest in as an interest. we have also like our, our initial interest, but we can find some common space coming entries and based on this coming tree. so we can do a roadmap for cooperation there, principle cooperation. this was that we saw to, to lead a to a we, we

a solution we can use. so when we install yes, and now the turn is have a reputation for being very meticulous colors of other countries experience. for example, you know, the sort of history are much better than many of the russians themselves. and i know that a lot of the chinese academics are now paying a lot of attention to a rush this way of dealing with sanctions and west and pressure more generally. i wonder if the russian experience has a given china any ideas on what to do or what not to do what to expect and what not to expect him. it's a somewhat testy relations with the west. it's very popular in china is looking about is the issue and menacing committees to russian people a good, a user experience and as a test for, for china. but i, i pod you agree. we see this idea. i mean, there is difference between china and the russia. this is a context of the,

the rising, you know, conflicts, even confrontation between china and rush, always the west. i mean, the china, us economy is the more integrated to ways that we so word, economic ways of west and even for example, the resource assumption. so the, against the china because somebody now uses more and more, you know, as assumptions oil invitations and from the united states, against the china as height, non security companies and a single butts in, in, on the other hand to the we continued to the, the corporate we've seen last a sense of the western countries. i mean, the easy others are citizens fears or the yeah, i agree is that the pre show will become more of the 4 years. and the russians believe that they have very good and economic relationship with western europe. you know, we provided them with gas with energy. there was

a very active goods exchange between our countries and the political relations for the software. somewhat troublesome. and it didn't stop by europeans from, you know, burning all the bridges. uh, are you sure that, you know, these, we always think about the west as a very rational player. somebody who calculates the benefits, the profits, etc. i assure that it's still the case because china says to be far more practical uh when it comes to foreign policy practical. not in the sense of um, you know, greedy but practical in the sense of preserving what has actually existed. i think the china will continue to cooperate with the west on the air on this sphere is where we can cooperate. but also we can find something out into the country, for example, secret, and the roads recruit to and so as the other you should have said, which covered not only on the west and but the rest of the world. so this is all

day to any trying to do up to 6 of the highest we use bricks countries. right. so how many different uh, perry on up to thing all day and so on. but yeah we, we have many, many, many cars can play. i mean, i think this is a little bit different because as i said, russia can be easily late because he's a new smoking depending on even when you're talking about. so you have to come out to the economic relations between rushing to europe in countries. but you can be a replaceable, you can be replaced by the other. so that means that you, what you see, what's the pin contract, you so necessary, that kind of inputs the, the energies from the other part of the, even though you know, it's far more expensive. and that's not fairly clear whether they can get this thing. but to some extent of china is not me mean for many years in the, in the west. so, you know, we always read are some stories up to some for example the,

the wong family will try to not use time reading. china not to use use the goose, many ton of books in front of the front of the seats quite difficult, right? so we know that nowadays the economic ties between china and the united states is clear to close sizes and associates a cooler ization of the economic good uh, in the price of all or rather in securely hesitation because they've so making economical agents insecure. but yeah, no way to sizing the. yeah, yeah. now i know that's your stomach interest and it includes your region, regional governments. so this region more than the other is, is called the between the 4 am on all these russian western squabble. a, there are lots of competing pressures. i wonder if you have seen any changes or new patterns in this particular region over the last the year and a half since the war and ukraine began. yeah, we're change a lot. i mean,

see what the structurally, i mean, change the z, putting those, the interaction between not only between that have a regional powers but also between the regional powers in outside her powers. i mean, a little bit towards the change, the china is that the to detroit is reading. i mean, uh well is that means, for example, you cannot imagine even so you probably were become pato z, the social discussion in china. and you wouldn't become a, a, in a driving force. so suddenly, you know, communication between different to different a, unless a confirmation to yes, even among seminal members. so i think that china also was a critic side of it and we have a serious a creek sized buys a west is that china's nation. it these photos of pro russian, you know, position,

but i think it's a, it's quite a, uh, easily somebody's based on a standing and the china. yes, we didn't. the east on present center. we don't took release. russia. you are the, are the approaches. i want to uh, finish our conversation was something that we began as best public goods provision of public goods and for now, ukrainians believe that the west will supply them with everything they need to find that's more and with everything they need to rebuild the country. and this is still an open question because despite all the talks of units, yeah, it's not clear that the west is ready to actually, you know, follow what it says. i'm trying to recently a point that it's on as a way to look at this conflict and perhaps offer some solutions. what do you think of the china can offer it to kia? what do you think china can offer it to ukraine to make peace more attractive?

or we can offer, we have fun. uh, just as we mentioned, we have a table pointed to a, you know, a piece proposal for the ukraine crisis rights. so i, those things, those are easy and more than based beyond, beyond these tell pines. and they think there is no, not more than this because many people speculate that for example, china can actually provide funds for reconstruction. unlike some of the inputs and updates curtis days off the stage, we can just listen to that warranty. so 4 key or 4 months ago, the other parts which i'll get you moved into that you can cross, you should, because you cannot see magazines as a one ton of good to over the ending or things can, are appropriate, can be resolved. so it's, it's, it's, this is miss, understand it, and be specific showing us on the road categories we found is that for one year off to z, z z as a code of miss reparation or war? yes. now the c or parties have found it,

i'd say it's data to find another way. so worries, nonsense, good solution, right? so we have to find out when 2 dates go beyond these crises. so that's the easiest with tiny celia, because china has good originally with russia. china also has not, that's relations we. so the nice that we see a, we switch to that ukraine. and what about the west? because the west doesn't want to china is mediation to be successful because it would take away from the us own cloud. so listen back to the future before somebody . we have a 6 party talks. yes, around disease. uh, uh, nothing a career seen the nuclear nuclear issue. so when we started noticing, studies will be successful. and 6 of the popular pokes, horseshoe with things up to date. if you will, it's not, it's not a good fit says bus. do you see the little ones? yeah, you so played a rule at the end and the provider we some performed for negotiation between

different parties and it's not really to a war. right. and even today, i think the what can of to the only week one round or 2 rounds of the con, the as easy to tony is developed mostly on the to resolve the problem is the easiest. heather allison? yeah. not a realistic, but i was trying to help, we can find a way to find the we the pm to the motions, to promise here, to, to go, to become a more realistic about the future about. so it's easy to think about these if it's necessary to fight with each other. well, uh the for younger have to leave it there. i hope you are right. let's meet in 2 years and see if your notes is turned out correctly. thank you very much for this conversation and thank you for watching hope to see her again on the was a part of the, [000:00:00;00]

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hello there, you're watching our cancer national. my name's donald quarter. welcome to the program. our top story 2 weeks have passed since the failure of turkey is 1st round of presidential elections to produce a single candidate with the crucial 50 percent plus one majority. now this sunday, the country is holding its 1st ever run off, and citizens will cast their votes for one of the 2 top candidates looking to lead the nation for the next 5 years. facing off today are the incumbent president risk for the one and opponents. kim all kill h dot rowe, r t will have all the developments as they emerged throughout the day a the we strongly believe that we will continue to serve our nation for the next 5 years. we will absolutely, absolutely. when these elections in the 2nd round,

every one will say the, let's recall the results of the 1st round of elections. the incumbent. conservative presidents are the one lead with 49.2 percent of the vote is pro west opponent, come all killed at star, low trail behind him by just over 4 percentage points. all right, wing politician. c 9 o one. took the lion's share of what was remaining securing 5.3 percent. he later became more relevant as he said this past week that he will back president or the one in the run off. earlier this morning, the incumbent president alongside the country's 1st lady, arrived at a polling station to cast their votes in the presidential run off a bit later, or to want to spend nearly an hour outside speaking to his supporters. local media have reported that the turkish president's next stop is the country's capital of ankara fall of the results from his presidential palace. meanwhile, his opponent was joined by his wife as well as the pair were out of pulling station

in ankara to cast their ballots. they were seen greeting election officials before making their way to a private booth and dropping their vote into a sealed box. r t is more on how mommy is in the east on board for our coverage of the be a big election and filed this report. a bridge, apply the door and fax just policies votes just about half an hour ago. they will less. now this pace is boston, they now have a different room is are we will have different stories. was something for that some pony stations. the numbers are low present. i don't know. so when i called to say that, because this is a 2 man race, we will know the results of very quickly so soon as upholding stations close around 5 p. m today will know probably within an hour or 2 hours marks, whether it is remaining, the income, the rigid 5 or the or if came out to start all will in fact be the new president.

and then it's a matter of a couple of weeks we'll have to wait of course for the, the official results to be released. but when they all below those at about 4 or 5 days off. so today the official results. but once those are, is a release, we'll know for sure who the new president is. well, they've got some expert insight into what's going on with these elections. we're going to cross live to dr. use of pa, heavier casket and international relations commentator. dr. thanks for joining us on the program. the 1st thing i want to ask you is, of course about these polls. i mean, i rather the elections polls are indicating that this has a neck, a neck run off election making it a decisive moment and turkish politics. so what are your expectations for what's going to happen? uh, hello 1st, the turnkey is going to draw a critical election lower this. this is the final roll and we have the 2 candidates,