fast adolescence on the stand that has not taking a america side. what we'd like them to see are the one having a talk with a chat with the president of russia or the landscape. but think, you know, using some landscape 1st thing. so let's be made a mistake on his way back from japan. you should have stopped in beijing and you should have stopped in ankara. because who are the 2 most important people as opposed to him at spending time seeing everybody that already supports him. he should be spending time with those people that are critics, course president, chief china, and present their to one of it's important to recognize that if president rewan is re elected, that she will be his term in office will coincide with between 75 and 90 percent of other world leaders and some of them will be here in 5 years, so he's going to be the guy on stage that has a lot of consequential material to work with. and i think what you're going to see is he's going to be more bold. i think you're going to probably see your sweden

come in to nato, but there's still going to be some extractions, but i don't think it's gonna be a guarantee by july, the nato summit, blacks the green initiative. i think you may see him say to mister fulton, you know, they're about a dozen merchant vessels that are stuck in ukraine ports that are turkish origin. i'd like some back just like i got back to the air force, the to air force and jets durham, propeller plains that were at the key of airport. i think you're going to see a mean be more bold, a globally in terms of that trickier can play a role in negotiating deals. and in terms of looking at that, that special non line place that it has. but it's still going to be constrained because of the economics, the, the economics we know that we talk briefly about it, the last hour. things are looking great with that. and so the middle east speculation to the middle east is so popping up the era here,

the intent of care is not likely to confuse it says idle it has good relations with the middle east, or is it a quid pro quo o here, or is it just when able to neighbor, so we just help each other up was if we look at the, the arrow bleed welcoming back a side. they like continuity. they don't like surprises. you know, whether they're monarchies, whether they're somewhat democracies, authoritarian democracies, a looper, democracies. but they like stability and present air to one for all that is written instead about him. he's someone that they can do business with. he's someone who they pretty much can model where he's going to go, what he's going is going to do. so yes, the reporting is approximately $27000000000.00 that may have come into the central bank of turkey or during the last year or so to help prompt up the government. but they still have a problem. they need a lot of money coming in and for an exchange, the lira is still, you know, it's 70 percent less than what it was. couple years ago. you're looking at

inflation that you've got up to 85 percent officially when we know was over a 100. now it's at $45.00. well, we still know it's much higher than that. so he's going to have to try to weave some fabric. and that means cooperation from a lot of governments and it may mean some discussions with the i m f. it may mean discussions with in your opinion, john, john, you can always, i mean, i just picked up on something the official ring. so 43, but we know it's much higher why tim governments get away with say things and that's official, but in reality is much higher. well, governments tend to want to put the best spin possible. and in terms of trickier, you can come up with these quote, official numbers, if you just look at official data. and then there's always data that then becomes real in the us. for example, we look at there's, there's core inflation and there's called the real inflation. and what the to the

treasury department does, and the federal reserve does still say, well, we're going to take out what's volatile. we're going to take out gas prices going to take a full prices. so we're basically going to take out everything that everybody needs . everybody uses every day and we're, there are real changes. we're going to take all that. and then we give you the real, the real number of inflation, which is ridiculous here, the same thing. and it makes it a little easier for the government of turkey or when they also control all members of the meat. right? so both of those here and see um close the talks about the re opening media being was sort of trans parents to kids. so the notes on the highest uh, on the list of the most transparent gentleness around the world to i'm going to the numbers that but that could that be changed for i don't know, is he just gonna keep it as is and given i know some talk to you, because i, we only options here here and you know, i would like to look,

i don't see him making any dramatic changes, medium wise, because if it's worked for him and he believes it has, why would you risk any changes if he loses? yes, the coalition that would replace them headset, they want to return the executive presidency to the national assembly. but they would be returning all of the presidents powers to an assembly that's controlled by now the opposition, right. so would they still do that? and would they want to do that? would they want to give up all the levers of control of the media control of fiscal and monetary policy? you know, it's hard to say, but if they didn't, if they do when and they don't follow through on what they say, and their brand gets tarnish and the fact that there they are a coalition, even a minority one and the national assembly, it's going to make it extremely hard for me to do anything. so you're present near to one. there's no real incense, just

a few to give any things back. that the assembly's taken, he has said he wants to draft a new constitution. right? but it's sort of unknown on just where he's going with that. well, ok, by using a new constitution, this is the final 5. unless he changes it unless he changes the constitution and i'm the one pence. well, he's, you know, the party, his, his alliance could very well say, now we may change the constitution. so we have a new constitution. and therefore the clock starts again. i want to go to a referendum with this time or, or would it be well upon them it could decide, you know, we've got 2 thirds of, i don't know, you know, you, you may have a president who's been elected on the 2nd round of maybe 52 percent, maybe 55, but is that a mandate empower patients to find mandate? basically whatever number they got that wins. they have a mandate and we've seen presidents that when 50 point one percent or 52 percent

say i have a mandate from the people. will almost half the people didn't even want them there . so it's, it's not going to be uncommon for present air to one this evening to say the people of turkey. i have spoken and they've spoken twice. they want me, they want, they've endorsed my economic plan. my foreign policy plan, they've endorsed basically the view of a modern muslim enter key of fact are key of respected turkey, a field trip field know about. and so i'm, i'm going to govern as if a 100 percent of the people voted for me. and then john covers, i believe we have our time. always a pleasure to say is a thank you, we see tomorrow. but we know the final results by and 2nd. all right, so that's kind of wraps up here for us here in assemble will know the results done in the next hour or so another definitive but the counts will start coming in. and of course we will update you as on when they do so. so for us from. busy and

assemble. all right, great, thanks for bringing us that the very interesting insight into what's going on there are key is moran ha, me with john couple which is senior editor of issued insight things. now another news, the russian military, this week has liberated the done yet the people's republic city of are tell him up school so known as bach moved our team senior correspondent more i guess the of brings us this report from the strategic city the battle of bucks more, a lot of chill months has gone down as one of the deadliest of britain battles in history and toad. thousands of soldiers perished in the back of old needs grind. it shows there is barely anything left of the city, almost nothing that can be repaired. the destruction was savage in its totality. full the remains. he's a band and twisted mecropolis. as you travel,

westwood in boston with the destruction gets much, much worse than it was in the eastern long eastern edges of the safety, which of course says the ukrainian resistance here was much stiffer. there's a whole lot of vehicles. this is a spot may be supplied by britain a lot more and they do equipment abandoned, destroyed in the western western side of the city. there's even a plate there, a few meters away from it. associates a survey at a p, c, b, and p. a. p. c. again, abandon to buy your credit in troops. victory in buckboard is p. m. c. vitamin is monument, the greatest and most terrible triumph. armies of ukraine's need to train troops,

legions of mass and res, and countless billions and guns and shells could not stop dragged about what search and we'll give them a motion, smell that it's official. now the basketball, it's his alice, it's all sincere, mainly joy. but there's also just quite different feelings. i'm just a human. i feel proud, proud of all boys as well as those fall gone forever. all of them were worthy to be honest, the too many emotions. so the few words and even fewer feelings would be a lie. they say the claim would you create any ins, right? in the way, know, according to by them is fights is the enemy for like trained attacks dogs. they fought for roots to sleep and used retreat. they cooled, including the t widens in one of the basements along the way. for the show, this, an armory needs a 40 minute,

meet the grenades various rocket propelled grenades, tubes guided rockets, usa, department of defense. all 2 boxes from sticking, and it's also a matter of, i mean, nation yes o d personnel mines which are brand because much of the world you can also a signatory of conventions binding the use of storage and keep us in our minds yet here they are again, just as they were in my review, but obviously none of these are we give us a touch will will be touched by the presence here because it could very well be mind it will take years to keep buckled up to

dig up all the bodies buried and the rubber and the hundreds of tons of unexploded shows and minds, least civilly and losses, will light loops evacuated with not every one to there's back to this was the civilian looped after the elderly in the basement when we, if it created the civilians, a dream old somebody grenade blowing to hit him so he crawled away as far as he could and died here. it was slow death and a g. l is always slow. death to ball forward for the entire $224.00 days. you ration the bachelor for boston, what's his seat? and he says enough for multiple lifetimes. no, don't know. but when you lose your brothers in arms, people you fall together with for more than half a year. it bring sadness. but you get used to it. you don't know when i see

civilian stuff or something in my soul warms up and i remember who i am for the human. sometimes he wants to cry over the course of this, but oh, there were many instances of civilians being abused. western press and networks. mike tried to present it in a certain way, but i believe all journalists will gone to the facts and showing well what really happened for most of the civilians who choose to remain with pro russian ukrainian troops and nationalists knew this. they will not kind to them the battle may be over. so it's possible to spill funds, ukrainian tillery blast away incessantly phenomena. you can see it from of above. problem is getting that pulled up. we've decided to try and launch out drone ukrainian electronic will. site is still active dealer and not just ukrainian. i

use yes, an allied systems to sort of if we things active, we've tied the drawings with nylon string made strong. so if anything happens we can try to drag it back. the electronic boy in blackboard was and e's new list b to with this point back in is drones. what's impervious to ukrainian and to drone counter measures as using the battle may be over, but by what has died with its ukraine still denies losing the city, despise apple footage, showing vive, not in control of every 6 to how do you explain the west and tax pay is the, despite the 10s, if not hundreds, of $1000000000.00 spent to have still a loss to a private military company. the orchestra of wagner will stop here. when russia

calls, they say they will play again. so for i guess the of the from boss from what the west may be placing the blame for the conflict, a new crane on russia and stoking rooster phobia around the world. but a new study suggests that the chinese people beg to differ with an overwhelming majority of them holding washington and its allies accountable for the war. over $2500.00 citizens have taken part in the poll examining the chinese outlook on international security. 80 percent of respondents appeared to blame the west for the ukraine conflict. 1212 percent said ukraine was responsible and the remaining minority criticized russia. the study also revealed that the population is worried about the impact of the west on chinese security and is more favorable to russia. beijing has taken a neutral stance, the route officially refusing to condemn or sanction bosco. but to get more on this

now we're going across live to nelson wong, who is with the shanghai written pack center, and he's also a valid i discussion club expert. thanks a lot for joining us on the program. sir. i want to ask you what your reaction is to these numbers in this poll that were revealed. uh, you know, uh, sympathy towards russia, essentially in the conflict, a new crane. well, thank you. but apparently i'm not acquainted with or aware of the such sub a by doing while university and so cannot comment on the survey results, which i've shown some of us publishing figure is actually, but i'm really not in a position to come into because i haven't read the questionnaire as but to be fair and objective, i would say that public opinion is across china. do def, uh, the people are divided when it comes to the conflict in ukraine, but in general, i would say that most people do approve the government's position of staying

neutral and trying to assess team bringing the conflict to and then so peaceful negotiations. what i would like to stress, however, is that people's opinions towards global affairs depends largely on the cultural heritage and traditions the education background and knowledge of world history as well as the access to information. right, well yeah, well what it, what do you think um this 52 percent of people who were surveyed think about i think that the us as a great impact on china security, how much do you think that would correspond with reality? well, i think this is a reasonably uh fair actually because uh and then oh gosh, as for the u. s, i think that is also, you know, true that more and more people are and trying to have realized that the ongoing competition and the potential conflict between china and the us. and the growing

resentment towards the u. s. is effect along ways that you increasing hostility coming from the us to contain china. but that doesn't mean that people in china are most people are in china. want to wage a war against the u. s. quite to the country. i would say that most people in china would still hope to see our relations ways like us, you know, to be managed appropriately by all government to hopefully achieve a peaceful co existence. but yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially considering the chinese government's position, the fact that china back in february put forward an initiative to broker peace between russia and ukraine. but that was rejected by the way. what do you think about that? sorry, say that again. sorry i, i just missed that will that will that piece plan that china suggested was rejected by, by the west and, and by kid. what do you, what do you think about that?

well, i think this is something that has a lot to do with the understanding of the chinese collective character. okay. i always want to stress the importance of a collective kind of work to the collective character of a nation. because for us, try me use i think it's quite natural that we don't actually take a side in terms of a conflict that we are not a public to. so i'm trying to call for a ceasefire to call for a peaceful to sit down and talk peace laid down the arms and pulled fast. so this is usually, you know, the chinese attitude when it comes to a conflict outside the country. so i think that's quite fair, but it actually shows that people don't really understand who we are and that, that's why to them to the us or some western european countries they,

they think that you, i, the, which we are a goes to be this is this is not right actually. so that's why i think what china is doing, you know, there's 12 point piece plan which is something that should be recognized and encouraged. all right, nelson wong, shanghai room, pac center, a think tank, vice chairman and an expert at the vall die discussion club. thanks for joining us for the program, sir. thank you. that's all the news for this hour, but we'll be back with more here in our to international in just about half an hour . the

hello and welcome to was a part, discussion and distancing have long been defining features of china's diplomacy. the vision being, i'm willing to upset it's delicate balancing acts with too much directness. but over the last couple of months, both the substance and the style of china as international culture has become far more explicit what's behind it. and what does it mean for the rest of the world? both to discuss that i'm now joined by young chang, professor and the executive team on additional hi academy of global governance and area studies at your high international studies universities. dr. young, it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you, my pleasure to joining etc. oh, he went now a country like china excerpts influenced by the simple fact of its existence,

its gravitational forces, huge effects, economically, politically, culturally spirited, surely many other nations, both close to it and far behind and for many years that seem to be enough for being just you know, influenced by being, but i think over the last couple of months that has changed and the country has become to both far more present on the international change. so why do you think that is you know, i'm going to be so so is a change has not told me that happen until use of pastors so long as it's about to from the beginning i think actually century and even way, especially we should even come to power interest on the tell you mean china become the 2nd toward economics. this is a basic content, basic information which one is to promise because china become a global china. it's not as before, the service through us, the chinese google china. but it was a focus only regional issues,

especially only an import issues. so nowadays, as you can kind of become tied pad, china is not to see power. but it is a super size. the power that he used china is not to do up the country. please relate to the rip to do up in country while it's somewhere in between them. this is actually a very interesting for the soft coal difference between the east and the west. because many in the west believed that in order to make the world a better place, people need to do something where as many in beast, especially those who follow down, believe that the order will restore itself if the humans don't interfere with it too much. do you think china is now trying to combine both of this approaches? i think to try to try to combine both the only one hand to try to continue to use strip tradition. let me use that to have a different understanding about the world about there is an old up at a power of a power east and assume about the or the issues for the ozi. uh, which have

a how does the do you have a global meaning? we have, this is a tradition, but only on a hand to try and have become you, as you said, pro f to, you'll see before you supposed to be close to china as a change, china's power become, become more powerful. but because it was the word isn't changing. and so where does that go with governance? is nicole for, you know, menacing is so they try to listen to the voice of a child up. because you're not state as, as a huge amount. cannot, you know, to, as, as before, as previously to do some to provide a we system because for the, for the word, what do you mean by a, by the public good. what is exactly that the world needs to be provided with, for example use for the different countries. so for example, we have a initiative of the seats or us route and they go loaded and built right for these different countries is the lack of deployment to the left co investment to the lack of instruction. but so the deal with the countries having to provide was this is,

it seems that the is not a good place for you measurement. because in low, not only the for the, for example, the easy, the real law and assuming us only seeing the correct size to, but they didn't do something with china in up z to we, we tried to do, we try to do these things that these are is a good space and full cooperation with these countries. so we think that china is a pato, was the rest, the word in china has to belong to the so called the as kind of mo, you and how does it pato with a sort of word. so it was things that's a wing china, do we use a we have the application to do something for the friends, for the 100 or so for the use, the rest of the world. we are recording this interview on the sidelines, have developed a conference, and many of its experts believed that. one of the reasons why china is international posture has changed, is because it's calculated that, as you know,

with the world as it is uh, this stance of contemplative distancing is damaging, not only to china's future, but the, china's immediate presence and its challenge. first and foremost by the united states, do you agree with that? china, in the historical firms or positions that you can always provide some publicly for the 1st around the world just as easy as why in the east asia after it is there is a very strong chinese culture you for this 100 countries. and as there was this asian just to grow to, which does the interruption culture in terms of the things that used as a west. and i think it's a lift. very positively. you know, the memory has talked to member even full uh, no contemporary toward. so is, so i think there is not so many, 10, g, c is that means china is a continuous the tradition continued. it's tradition of how to deal with this

around the world and a partially, i always use that. so yes, williams, a new present center have new ideas and doing china is power become a have more power not only from perspective, with dps, so it always or so these rising, and so the hard, he's waiting for china as a woman saying volleyball, i'm going to use the, the word of this is the reason why fi is, would it be fair to say that the biggest difference between china in the united states when it comes to providing public goods for humanities. the fact that china is actually providing and the united states is talking about providing and the more talks and the less a does this gap between what is sad and what is done becomes far more empowering to other players. and i, i think can, yes, this is a pato was a different spot to the main difference. i think lising the, the, the, the, how to use these public schools when time provided was it public schools without

any political conditions. we don't ask because the receive to, to change that, like some of the noms the laws. and so in us who just said ok, you need to investment. so list isn't operate, so least the big difference between china and so western countries, especially the, in the between china in the united states. many here in russian believe that russia initiated it smells reparation. and ukraine only when it's calculated that the confrontation with the west is inevitable. do you seeing at this point that the confrontation between china and the west is inevitable, given that the west seas, your efforts to be present in the world as adversarial? does this simple fact of your doing what you believe needs to be done is already defined as a threat to america. now it'd become a she needs to because before exercising because that's it's, and i don't think that china ends, you know, stays, competition, law even reliable. this cannot be avoidable as increase each. see we have very good

uh, economics under trade us majority things. and so you might remember have a good, remember memory, about the 2000 pounds. you, you put on 10, there was a conference seminar or so organized by the, by the end to use the china no more, you know, so we have worked for and the russian guys say that's the main contradiction. use of tentative for so central. if you turn any and i say it will be that the combination beginning tomatoes and you've been trying to don't want to get. he walked into these conflicts and to the states. and these ally will enforce the china into this competition at this time. no one, even chinese export. what a group waste east pine. but no, it's a relative term. so i think that's it's, it is a risk because you saw people, china, it has this has the willingness to challenge. and your last is in the united states position as a hedge among the word. but because the most as perception about china is

a threat as said, and no matter what china, what know what to do. we have done a lot try to us often and this kind of, you know, coverage combination between, between china and say about so without any results. do you think the chinese recent decision to become formal, pro, proactive internationally is in any way related to this change of perspectives in, in china, that as much as you try to stay peaceful and on good terms with the united states, it may not ultimately be possible to even use ally of the trying to sign on united states or is it was a china or so it has a continue to do some good things for these. these is why you want me and a if he's comfortable and so he stays, has my have met and he's close time. what you were sent to 3 years. we have is the

same, you know.