thing western sanctions, you know, there is an interesting coincidence of that piece. visit comes on the heels of a similar tour, a by the ukranian for administered mutual. clear buffle was visiting a number of african countries trying to persuade them to a band. and then to trial it and joined western sanctions against russia, something that the, that it was particularly eager to do and for a very all basic economic reasons. well, for them even more, especially now, because many african countries are suffering from best types of very severe drought, for example, kenya, uh has uh more than 4000000 people in the state of acute within security. and this is where the boundaries and the obstacles that are created on the way off russian experts hurt people the most. now what's also interesting is that the number of african leaders have come up with our own these initiatives for the ukrainian countries. but unfortunately,

those initiatives for now are being met with skepticism or outright refusal by the west and the motions. during the lone, perhaps washington in london can not accept anything other than zalinski, so called peace formula. this formula means the withdrawal of russian troops from all territories, crimea don't boss and others, then a tribunal, reparations. and only after that, ukraine would agreed to sign a peace treaty. several years. it goes to alaska, said that if any of the ukrainian citizens identified themselves as russian, then get back to russia, given the statements of the new left for the lack. after the return of this territories, they will exterminate everything russian there, including russian citizens. the wes commitment to this barbaric formula, opposite landscape means they are ready to support genocide. now you just heard this word, genocide, then this is something that both russia and ukraine accused each other. all the african continent is obviously no stranger to that phenomenon either. but that also means that it has a valuable experience,

optical perspective on how to bring the warring parties to the negotiating table and some sort of a reconciliation provided that there's interest on, on those sides. and before we go, some news from india, a 2nd generation navigation satellite has blasted off from the scottish dow on the space center on the bay of bengal. another of new dallas next jen. domestic satellites is set to be launched this july, according to the chairman of the indian space research organization. they intend to demonstrate the systems ends to end capability, such as safely landing and moving about the moon and conducting chemical analyses of the lunar surface. during its in situation trials. meanwhile, the program aims to develop and show new technologies required for interplanetary addition. that's all for this, our stick around for more new isn't just about 30 minutes here on our team for now . the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level since the start of the call? we can you grade many western officials upset the buy it part out loud, and they are subtle. ukraine is merely a small puzzle piece. part of a much more grandiose agenda the i'll discuss these issues as more i'm joined by my guess, jordan,

send me early in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube manual goals. and here in moscow, we process through dmitri palm beach. he is a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. gentleman across, up rose, in effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. i would start out with charging in budapest, latoya new and in a conference conference call. she was on zoom with a um, obviously ukraine friendly organization raising funds where and this all kinds of things here. and again, victoria knew and says the quiet part out loud. she said it was prior to the crew about um, um, uh, uh, midwife being the crew and now she's talking about, well, we've been working with you. we've been with you, you frame for 4 to 4 to 5 months for a year at the counter offensive. so can you explain to me how you can say you're not a co belligerent and still say you're involved with the planning of

a counter offensive, which is obviously directed against russia? how do they square it? because they seem to be getting away with the george the they are indeed is like the real going back to midwife thing. the who in 2014 isn't exactly a consonant with the idea that this was a, a revolution a and the my done was a read you relation of the country. i mean is august rated by victoria and you will . and then she was explicit about that. um, at the end in much the same way, you know, when she blotted out about the bio labs in ukraine and game. anyone who brings up the issue by lives. conspiracy is gary conspiracies. they're even taking a look. and she actually said this before the senate, but what's really alarming about what she said, which is that we've been involved in this for the past 4 to 5 months, is that ukraine is increasingly daring in its attacks on russia

inside russia. i mean, way, the other day we had the ukrainian drones, apparently attacking a russian ship, guarding the the tub stream, a natural gas pipeline. this was a very the lab or a complicated the operation were asked to believe that ukraine carried this out. you know, miles of miles away from your brains is very unlikely ukraine has that kind of sophisticated intelligence that to do this. and it's so happened that there was an unmanned american spike late in the vicinity. so, you know, and given also the effects on, on those or inside russia, it's increasing, they kit in the united states is directly involved with attacks on russian targets on russian. there will be done where you've inside russia and remember also we have a ukranian attack on an airfield and rust of that. how's the long range of russians

strategic boma? so you can give them a little that is how to see how the rush should come to avoid in the very near future targeting american, the initially american hardware, i mean, whether it's spike plains, drones, satellites. but russia has to do something. i mean, we have it now from the host has miles that victoria newman. well the much, you know, she's taking ownership of this calendar offensive you with just their own words here. so i mean you have to explain the logic to me and it's a pretty grim logic. so if you brains counter offensive fails, big know, victoria newland fails, and i don't think that they're going to have a reassessment. they okay. i think they're going to say we're going to try it again . okay. i mean, this is the, the, the logic of the escalation ladder, okay? and the b, u. s. is intimately involved in that escalation, and georgia is absolutely right at one point in time. there's going to be

a reaction from russia because they will to say, well, you know, you are a co belligerent in this of, in this complex, you're targeting our people, our hardware, our country, you can't get off scot free. so the 1st part demon is the us taking ownership of the counter offensive as well. but i don't think she will be held responsible even these, the reason i called her offensive, i think it saves she. she will never be parked. you know, the united states is all the region according to their own. so when i go what you can state and we know these rules very well. so it, you know, you may make a huge mistake. it's huge. technical, i'm just going to which most people want a results. this is what you did, corresponded to the rebate and i told you will be part of what you will get body for life was lars. and well you may get what it states. i mean, the, how many wise he'd be here from victoria, the one that's why it's, you know,

in 2014. uh, okay. you know, right here it is. the complaint in the united states do you see gore by trophy making 90 united states have oh there was no pay, but in 2014 there was a, you know, there is a difficult process of ordering me just as a frost boiling thing. drum you signed with young ladies and with the people from the position is the uh yes. are you going to use the glitch? will they sign the papers saying that got accords with household next shots? you know, violence would be stalled, might've stole. and then you know, next oh, you know that you bring in a position, reach that agreement, tend to that the less didn't say work and they never recall it at least or shameful . so many years we've said we just lost that we find it anywhere. the was everywhere, the back was in. those are so huge papers. and these people,

the story is the same way. different 2 months of these calls are best you fades and a lot of people died and people often started when didn't you say that you have been in both of these to say the was be but was this was, you know, this, this is well history. you know, don't talk to me about the cool, don't talk to me about the cars are offensive. we're pointing another offensive. you know, so is the program with impunity is of their friends these people, but they made the same grimes again and again the data very dangerous. that's over every day and i agree with you, but it is very dangerous, george, because when we, there's a, you can't, there's, there's not much more room on the escalation lot. or if you know what i mean, okay, because the us is committed so much hardware. so much money, a lot of it is on account and how did board nonetheless. and then we have this

commitment by very high the senior ranking official of the us administration. and it's been working on the ukraine portfolio for a very long time. now. they're not going to take defeat, likely. okay, and you know, of course, you know, the landscape will be blamed and things like that, but this is much bigger than ukraine. that's the whole point of this program. george, it is big here and let's remember, the official position of the united states is this. we don't tell ukraine what to do. we have no besides what ukraine is doing. your brain is finding it's war according to its wishes. all we're doing is providing them with the, the hardware for them to defend themselves. and then we have um, salt and bug, the nato secretary general repeat as a nato is not up all the to the conflicts. but we all know that this is complete nonsense. and, and so given this so you know,

you would have to see that roster cannot just simply go on sitting on his hands when it is, you know, stated explicitly by uh us government officials that they are directly involved in attacks on the, on russian territory. and on russian property, i really mean the, the leads a title, much ship guarding the south spring pipeline. this was basically, i mean the, we already had the, the attack on the north stream, natural gas pipelines. we don't know who did it so, so now it looks like they've tried to attack the, the south stream of natural gas. why? but that's the target. think obviously hungry. those are targeting to our kids. um, so in the us and ukraine are involved in that. now gives us live in the majors position all along has been where russia is to skid to escalate. so we basically have

a blank check in that we can put out this nonsensical story. we another party to the complex. we don't really, they take any real active involvement in anything your brain is doing. um, but should russia to escalate? you know, we're ready to launch levels where you, where, ready to, uh, you know, press the button. they however, are afraid. this is a very dangerous and delusional state of mind. i'm for the west to take well deem a going back to victoria new and nothing. you know, we have a lot, a track record here. we the, the, her instrumental role in the cool, in 2014 over there on the inter coverage government democratically elected by the way. she goes back to power and the current administration she have this is unfinished business. and her goal is the regime change in russia. that's what it's all about. ukraine is just the convenient puzzle piece for her to get there and very effective. what, let's be fair. okay. she's not stupid. okay. she's quite maniacal. and she's not

going to take you know, the answer. no. fema as well. the problem with that is that she's unable to cravat dialed. i mean, after 2014, she just ceased on being allowed to come to rush to impact folks. you know, there was a time was allowed once after that as much like the wheels are meant to be honest with you or the people that story, you know, there were already a concert. so rather than the visuals on them as members, businessman who were bought from the united states, even though they didn't participate in any cause, i would say actually, you know, they, they did them in any way impair most of them can bag us interests. but she absolutely insisted that after she won't just read the whole after she acknowledge that the whole goal with the jeffrey part was genuine. you remember what you said them all the you with them and how they turn the school would be your grass next. prime

minister, they ok, they were just spent decided to do they, they didn't really need it though because we know that and that's based on interviews in your bringing fast in the same way. now you would just spend the sizes appropriate both at conferences, right? so correct, if you is uh, you know, uh the very well no it did you or donald guys in the business? my property is my property right. and as far as your property is concerned, we can negotiate, right? so she credit the right to come to rush it. she wants to have the right to change the gm's in the states, and as far as, oh right. so i can so that kind of vehicle sheet from the positional force off to russia. sock was a defeat basis directly to the problem with these people is there, there is also what do you know for dial dial hope especially when you agree with the reason some think, you know the rest is impossible because people read 100 percent or 90

percent of what they discuss the between kind of a you will, there might states. now russia is very difficult simply because there is no, you know, there's no foundation on which you can build something together as well as that goes back to your point. that this is very, i not because having negotiations is, is a compromise. and compromise is not allowed. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept we're such short or is it conflict with the 1st law? show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to trace trust rather than fit the

various job with artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team and the most protects this phone existence was on the mac, across the top here. all things are considered on peter level. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news the let's go back to the george in budapest, george, one of the things you and i have talked about with thema over these the last 15 months or so is how someone like victorian newland can make a statement like that is obviously showing um the true position of the united

states and it goes by without really any comment or comment we, we comment on it because it's, we think it's a stark, a betrayal of what they've been saying all along. but then we have the escalation lighter again, you know, oh no tanks, no tanks, no missiles, no long range, missiles no succeeds. and then it continues and it continues here. and that's why and you know, before, um, uh, archie was taken off of youtube for months before the complex started. i kept talking about this is escalation ladder and now we're at the final runs because i again, the us will not accept of the answer. no, it's the objective is regime change in russia ultimately to break it up. it is excess dental. the problem for the us and the west is that they made an x, the central so russia really has no other option. it has to play this next a central game which is terrifying to think about. yeah, no,

the question. and as you said, be the full the by the administration. this is unfinished business on it. this is what they had intended. c act during the obama years. i mean they got themselves very heavily involved in my don. um as the shown by the uh that uh, intercepted the telephone call. and the moment they uh came to power haines in to, to continue with this. and yeah, the, the goal is regime change and the destruction of rush or of new orleans is a, a truly for magical person. you know, the family, you know, what, she's a member of occasions. you know, they all the, you know, the arch neil. and so they have family in the united states, you know, the, the, the patriarch and of donald k again. and then you have um, a husband, robert kagan and his brother, frederick frederick. and then you have, is this woman, kimberly kay?

again was victoria newland, sister in law, who runs this organization institute for the study award. that the media treat a, somehow a disinterest, the dispassionate academic body, which always says how well ukraine is doing, how badly rupture is doing it by unable to do that it's, it's interesting, but you brought it up towards because of the same confidence that she attended them remotely, as you talked about how you frame is basically going you to be the beacon of democracy for the entire world and you know it and, and to bring it in. and again, i'm paraphrasing here, bringing peace and stability back to europe. but the problem is, is people like newland and the organization, as we all know, as nato is the district based of a destabilizing forces in europe. yeah. that, yeah, absolutely. and that's what they've been trying to do. and it goes to the europeans, hapless europeans. they've simply gone along with this stability. if this is completely destabilizing, you're getting your up into this uh,

the dominant complex. and you know, you got to say you will and has been successful. i mean, if you think about what it is that they have achieved, they have a rule between 2 essentially brother nations, you know, kind of, you know, nations that are close to each other. really, you know, by religion, history, culture traditions. and they've broken up the, any kind of above issue in russia, in europe, to the americans offices in privy. so why would they end the zillow, they want to know, but happy to just go on maybe like the songs involved. like, you know, they things a 160000000000. i mean, it is basically just a spattering amount of money. and apparently, you know, they have, they have, they have all these negotiations, you know, with, with a budget you know, work. what's macowski mccarthy going to do with the bikes and go to the and they're all going all good. the one thing, no one touches is the start or the sum of money. that's just, you know, things thrown out of adult to ukraine. so the americans think,

i guess this is good investment will destroy in europe as a little. dunham is the entity and we're destroying russia throwing good. let's just keep the of the money speakers going. it is deem i'm glad you talked this over . i made reference to the inability of these neo cons, the negotiate here, but that's a good that can be taken as a positive and rushes side is because it's something i've been saying from the very, very beginning. is that negotiating with these people? is apples. aaron, the most glaring example is the meanest process. okay, well, we know that all the major western parties essentially just lied and they've admitted it. okay. so, i mean, that's why it's a, it's a, it's a positive for us here because it knows it's past forward. it doesn't have to there's there's, there's no contingency my way we could talk to this person. all right, this plan, roy, that's all off the board here. and so the rest of it can be laser focused here. but do you think it will take the bait? because this is what i find very scary is because people like noon is george and i

have discussed some of the gavel repeatedly. is that the, they don't think the russians will go up the escalation ladder and, and, and that's the, that's to their advantage. they can break every single red line they want and you know what, they have quite a few across quite a few here. so you know, the, the, the in the, in a positive way rush, it has to move forward with its agenda here in a negative way. you don't you, you basically dealing with what we've been mixing called the crazy man scenario the americans couldn't do anything. fema, uh you're quite right that uh it's kind of misunderstanding, but let's be clear how each of the sites we started just doing the you know, the reference for, for me it's what's the upgrade you know, don't want to destroy most people do because it's good for them right now i'm going to have a conflict with russia will nothing because, you know, when with aggressive, so then i'm going to be top cost typically because it's

a gauge. they're all interested who can make a little want english. and it was a mistake because the you're and uh, they might, the space, the is on out. i love you, i logical formations which don't care about sometimes you know, they don't care about practical use or what they do when they don't care about the money. they can lose their much if that is needed to be rented, fema, and does go into it. yeah, yeah, yeah. so and that sounds a rush. it was the narrative because we thought that you know, uh, 2000 years old sprint, magic western civilization. hell, know these 2002 years i, i'm good now. now, the west, on the other hand, you know, guided by the side with you, the was review, the trash is ruled by probably going to be, or the box will of course, a very slide you should go and review which will not sustain the sanctions. you know, this is all garage thing, trip to graduate, and this is not how if we had been so bad, you know,

last week when we were most have sustained with sanctions for more than a year. so this is the whole thing about it. uh, people are guided by a oh, i do it with jeep and borrow the dish to it so that i would use the rush. it would go from greer rush or the don't to use some kind of destructive weapons. because after all, the rain was part of the country and the sensible people in to put in does not want to die and all that. so basically, i think that the we are in a very dangerous spiral. you know, where, because of all the old you, people are getting closer and closer to a very dangerous break. and in that sense, i would like to say that the west keeps talking about personal dictates, you know, the demonized people whom they declare dictators pull g and the people don't how to dictate to be close to getting to the lecture. see, i say,

good evening just yet. i well, i dictate that people are like, oh jeez, is mark worse. the person dictates because if you have a dictate to a funeral, so you can see the course you, can we square i road, you know, is no peachy and it's nose no uh, scare you know, for an ideal what would you, because this is not human human be what matters is it's fixed or you know, anyone who disagrees e as in mary, the machine or she has to be just model. that's what we're facing from the west right now in georgia again, you know, going back to these public that now i'm saying the wide part out loud. it, it's, it's, it's so tragic that, um, corporate main stream media doesn't pick up on these things at all. i mean, it's only it, it's a, it's only independent media that actually talks about these pronouncements. okay. so anti war dot com, i picked it up or something like that here. but again,

how democratic is this? there is no debate whatsoever about this policy. and this is, you know, the, you know, it was awful, it's terrible for people that lost their, their, their sons there. the same thing about, um your rac afghanistan. that's fine. okay. but it was never next essential for the us in the west. and now we have this situation where it is excess dental, and there's no debates about it at all. it is truly extraordinary. it really is, i can't really explain it, but you know how gum that's of it doesn't seem to be any uh, awareness on the bottom of the why the public anywhere in europe in the united states of just how dangerous the situation is. i mean, remember, you know, the cuban mississauga price is, was so terrifying. you know, it goes around the world that, you know, it's essentially, you know, great the, you know, of a decade, you know, beckett in the hall over at the top. all is that because simply because, you know,

the consensus view was united states and the soviet union cannot get themselves again, it's a such a, a terrifying confrontation. but there was none. and i think it's comes about because the, the leads have been putting out the story. russia is too scared to take a song so we can do whatever we want. 5 you know, where you, you know, we and we can blow up that pipelines. we can attack them on their own soil. you know, we can even attack the kremlin, but russia is too scared of us. and uh, you know, we have when list trusts and says, yeah, i'm ready to press the button. so we're ready to press the button. russian knows we're ready to press the button rush or how it was not ready to press the button. and we know russia is isn't ready to press the button. so what's that to worry about? let's just keep going and you know, the position. now the theme is that about this, the all legit. remember, the western position now is not just, well, we're going to defeat russia militarily. when we want to arrest fulton and take him

to the hague. i mean, that's good. that's now the, the, the official wisdom position that, that's called there to be a band. so there's never even know to be any withdrawal of sanctions because of the rest of the week. we need both to give us both and, you know, just like, you know, the, the sub's back in the ninety's give us my lots of, it's one of the live central's ability to give us mostly so that style the width and position give us built in. so it's, it's, you know, this extraordinary extra mean possession and yet the other public just emphasize. oh, that's fine. let's keep going. yeah. well, the take away take from, uh, let me both of us said here, is it, it's impossible to argue with stupid. okay? and that's the level that we have all found ourselves in there. they're not open to any kind of conversation or negotiation. and that's why it, when you, when that's closed down, we go up to be in this. and that's where we are gentlemen. and that's all the time we have when i think my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc and exam. remember prospect because

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