[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across the top. were all things are considered on peter level since the start of the account. we can, you grade menu, western officials have set the appliance part out loud, and they are subtle. ukraine is merely a small puzzle piece. part of a much more grandiose agenda the discuss these issues as more i'm joined by my guess, jordan, send me early in budapest piece of pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube manual goals. and here in moscow we prostituted to meet bobby. she is a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. gentleman cross up rules, and i think that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it.

but i would start out with george in, in budapest, um, between a new and a and a conference uh, conference call. she was on zoom with a, um, obviously ukraine friendly organization raising funds where and this all kinds of things here. and again, victoria knew and says the quiet part out loud, she sent it up prior to the cool about um uh, what midwife being the cool and now she's talking about well, we've been working with you. we've been with you, you frame for 4 to 4 to 5 months where you're at the counter offensive. so can you explain to me how you can say you're not a co belligerent and still say you're involved with the planning of a counter offensive, which is obviously directed against russia? how do they square it? because they seem to be getting away with the george the they are indeed is like 3 all going back to the midwife thing. the who in 2014 isn't exactly

a consonant with the idea that this was a, a revolution a and the my done was a read you relation of the country. i mean is august rated by victorian, you will. and then she was explicit about that. um, it ends in much the same way, you know, when she blotted out about the bio labs in ukraine and game. anyone who brings up the issue by lives. conspiracy is gary conspiracies. they're even taking a look at. she actually said this before the senate. but what's really alarming about what you said, which is that we've been involved in this for the past 4 to 5 months, is that ukraine is increasingly daring in its attacks on russia inside russia. i mean, way, the other day we had the ukrainian drones, apparently attacking a russian ship, guarding the the tub stream, a natural gas pipeline. this was a very d lab or

a complicated the operation were asked to believe that ukraine carried this out. you know, miles of miles away from your brains, it's very unlikely you paid has that kind of sophisticated intelligence that to do this. and it's so happened that there was an unmanned american spike playing in the vicinity. so, you know, and given also the effects on, on bells or inside russia, it's increasing, they cute in the united states is directly involved with attacks on russian targets on russian that are being done where you've inside russia. and remember also we have a ukranian attack on the field and rough stuff, that's how's the long range of russians strategic boma. so you can give them a little that is how to see how the rush should come to avoid. in the very near future targeting american, the, initially american hardware, i mean, whether it's spike plains, drones,

satellites. but russia has to do something. i mean, we have it now from the host has miles that victoria newman. well, the much, you know, she's taking ownership of this calendar offensive, you wouldn't get their own words here. so i mean you have to explain the logic to me and it's a pretty grim logic. so if you brains count for offensive fails, big. no. victoria newland fails, and i don't think that they're going to have a reassessment. they okay. i think they're going to say we're going to try it again . okay. i mean, this is the, the, the logic of the escalation ladder, okay? and the b u. s. is intimately involved in that escalation, and george's absolutely right. at one point in time, there's going to be a reaction from russia because they will to say, well, you know, you are a co belligerent in this of, in this complex, you're targeting our people, our hardware, our country. you can't get off scot free. so the 1st part demon is the us taking

ownership of the counter offensive as well. but i don't think she will be held responsible even. this is the reason i called her offensive. i think it's fails. she. she will never be parked. you know, the united states is all the region according to their own. so an idea of what you can state and we know these rules very well before so that you, you know, you may make a huge mistake. it's huge technical calculation. most people want a results, this is what you did, corresponded to the rebate and i told you will be punished. i don't what you will get by for life was lars. and well you may get what states. i mean, the, how many wise be here from victoria, the one that's why it's, you know, in 2014. uh, okay. you know, right here use the complaint in the united states. do you see gorbachev in 1990 united states? uh oh, there was no pay, but in 2014 there was a, you know,

there is any difficult process. no. what do you mean? just as a frost boiling thing, drum you signed with young ladies and with the people from the position. who's the uh yeah, so you're gonna use the glitch. will they sign the paper saying that i don't forge household next shots, you know, violence would be stalled, might've stole. and then you know, next oh, you know that you bring in a position, reach that agreement at 10 to the last didn't say work, and they never recall. and then mr. our single. so many years we've said we just lost that we find it anywhere. the was everywhere the back was in. those are so huge papers. and these people, the story is the same way. different. 2 months of these girls are offensive fades, and a lot of people died and people often started when didn't you say that you have been

in both of these to say the was be but was this was do you know this, this is well history, you know, don't talk to me about the cool, don't talk to me about the cars are offensive. we're pointing to another offensive . you know, so is the program with impunity is of their friends these people, but they made the same grimes again and again the data very dangerous. that's every day and i agree with you, but it's very dangerous george, because when we, there's a we, you can't, there's, there's not much more room on the escalation lot or, you know what i mean. okay. because the us is committed so much hardware, so much money. a lot of it is on account and how did board nonetheless. and then we have this commitment by very high the senior ranking official of the us administration. and it's been working on the ukraine portfolio for a very long time. now. they're not going to take defeat. likely. okay, and you know, of course, you know, the landscape will be blamed and things like that,

but this is much bigger than ukraine. that's the whole point of this program. george. it is big here and let's remember, the official position of the united states is this. we don't tell ukraine what to do. we have no oversight on what ukraine is doing. your brain is finding it's war according to its wishes. all we're doing is providing them with the, the hardware for them to defend themselves. and then we have um, assault and bug, the nato secretary general repeat as a nato is not up all the to the complex, but we all know that this is complete nonsense. and, and so given this so you know, you would have to see that roster cannot just simply go on sitting on his hands when it is, you know, stated explicitly by uh us government officials that they are directly involved in attacks on the, on russian territory. and on russian property,

i really mean the, the leads a title, much ship guarding the south spain pipeline. this was basically, i mean the, we already had the, the attack on the north stream, natural gas pipelines. we don't know who did it so, so now it looks like they've tried to attack the, the south stream of natural gas pipeline. that's the target. think obviously hungry . those are targeting to our kids. um, so the us and ukraine are involved in that now gives us live in the majors position all along has been where russia is to scan to escalate. so we basically have a blank check in that we can put out this nonsensical story. we another party to the complex, we don't really, they take any real active involvement in anything your brain is doing. um, but should russia to escalate? you know, we're ready to launch levels where you, where, ready to, uh, you know,

press the button. they, however, are afraid. this is a very dangerous and delusional state of mind. i'm for the west to take well deem a going back to victoria new and nothing's been a, we have a lot, a track record here. we the, the, her instrumental role in the cool, in 2014 over there on the inner coverage government democratically elected by the way. she goes back to power in the current administration. she have, this is unfinished business. and her goal is the regime change in russia. that's what it's all about. ukraine is just the convenient puzzle piece for her to get there and very effective. what, let's be fair. okay. she's not stupid. okay. she's quite maniacal. and she's not gonna take, you know, the answer. no. fema as well. the problem is that she is unable to grab a diet. i mean, after 2014,

she just ceased on being allowed to come to russia and kind of bolts. you know, there was a time was allowed months after that as much to my, the wheels are meant to be honest with you or the people that story, you know, there were a radius 100. so rather than the diesels on him with members, businessman, who are bought from the united states, even though they didn't participate in any quotas, i would say actually, you know, they, they do them in any way impair most of them can bag us interest. but she absolutely insisted that after she just read the whole after she acknowledged that her whole goal with the jeffrey part is genuine. remember what she said about the you with them and how they turn the school would be your grands next brain minister that ok, they were just spent decided to do they, they didn't really need it though because we know that the and that's based on interviews, you're bringing fast in the same way now to of just spent decides appropriate. both accounts are expensive, right? so correct. if you is uh, you know, uh the very well, no it did. you all dog

r as in the business? my property is my property right. and uh, as far as your property is concerned, we can negotiate, right? so she credit the right to come to rush it. she wants to have the right to change the gmc of the pool, so it states, and as far as, oh, right. so this kind of vehicle cheat, private positional falls off to russia, saw the street. this is that right? you know, the problem with these people is there, there is also what do you know for dialog dialog, especially when you agree or at least some things you know, the rest is impossible because people agree 100 percent or 90 percent of what they discuss. i won't between god they, you will, they're mad states. now russia is very difficult simply because there is no, you know, there is no foundation on which you can deal something to get well as that goes

back to your point that this is very, i not, because having negotiations is, is a compromise and compromise is not allowed gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team, the,

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months or so is how someone like victoria newland can make a statement like that is obviously showing um the true position of the united states, and it goes by without really any comment or comment we, we comment on it because it's, we think it's a stark, a betrayal of what they've been saying all along. but then we have the escalation lighter again, you know, oh no tags, no tanks, no missiles, no long range, missiles no succeeds. and then it continues and it continues here. and that's why and you know, before, um, uh, archie was taken off of youtube for months before the complex started. i kept talking about this as escalation letter, and now we're at the final runs because i again, the us will not accept of the answer. no, it be, it's objective is regime change in russia ultimately to break it up. it is excess dental. the problem for the us and the west is that they made an x,

the central so russia really has no other option. it has to play this next a central game which is horrifying to think about. yeah, no, the question. and as you said, be the full the by the administration. this is unfinished business on a this is what they had intended. c act during the obama years. i mean they got themselves very heavily involved in my don. um as the shown by the uh that uh, intercepted the telephone call. and the moment they came to power haines in to, to continue with this. and yeah, the, the goal is regime change and the destruction of russia, of new orleans is a, a truly a fanatical person. you know, the family, you know what, she's a member of occasions. you know, they all the, you know, the arch neil. and so they have family in the united states, you know, the, the,

the patriarch and of donald k again. and then you have um, a husband, robert kagan and his brother federal frederick. and then you have, is this woman, kimberly kay? again was victoria newland, sister in law, who runs this organization. institute for the study was that the media training a somehow a this interest, a dispassionate academic body, which always says how well ukraine is doing, how badly rupture is doing it by unable to do that. it's, it's interesting, but you brought it up towards because of the same confidence that she attended them remotely, as you talked about how you frame is basically going to be the beacon of democracy for the entire world and you know, it and, and to bring it in and again, i'm paraphrasing here, bringing peace and stability back to europe. but the problem is, is people like newland and the organization. as we all know, as nato is the display, these are the stabilizing forces in europe. yeah. that, yeah, absolutely. and that's what they've been trying to do, and of course, the europeans,

hapless europeans. they've simply gone along with this stability. if this is completely destabilizing, you're getting your up into this uh, a, in a dominant complex. and you know, you've got to say new orleans has been successful. i mean, if you think about what it is that they have achieved, they have a rule between 2 essentially brother nations, you know, kind of, you know, nations that are close to each other. we get them by religion, history, culture, traditions, and they've broken up the, any kind of above issue in russia, in europe. so the americans offices in pretty. so why would they end the zillow, they want to know, but happy to just go on maybe like the songs involved, like, you know, they things a 160000000000. i mean, it is basically just the spidering amount of money. i am badly, you know, they have, they have, they have all these negotiations, you know, with, with a budget you know, work. what's macowski mccarthy going to do with the bikes and go to the and they're all going all good. the one thing,

no one touches is the start or the sum of money. that's just, you know, things thrown out of adult to ukraine. so the americans think, i guess this is good investment will destroy in europe as a little dunham is the entity and we're destroying russia. so good. let's just keep the of the money speaker going. this is a deal. i'm glad you talked this over. i made reference to the inability of these neo cons. they negotiate here, but that's a good that can be taken as a positive on russian side is because it's something i've been saying from the very, very beginning. is that negotiating with these people? is apples. aaron, the most glaring example is the minced process. okay, well, we know that all the major western parties essentially just lied and they've admitted it. okay, so, i mean, that's why it's a, it's a, it's a positive for us here because it knows it's pass forward. it doesn't have to, there's there's, there's no contingency my way we could talk to this person. all right, this plan or that's all of the board here. and so the rest of it can be laser

focused here. but do you think it will take the bait? because this is what i find very scary is because people like noon is george and i have discussed on the gavel repeatedly. is that mean they don't think the russians won't go up the escalation ladder and, and, and that's, that's to their advantage. they can break every single red line they want and you know what, they have quite a few cross, quite a few here. so you know, the, the, the in the, in a positive way rush, it has to move forward with its agenda here in a negative way. you don't you, you basically dealing with what we've been mixed and called the crazy man scenario the americans couldn't do anything. fema, uh you know, quite dry that uh, it's a fragile misunderstanding, but let's be clear how each of the sites we started just doing the you know, the reference for, for me it's what's the upgrade you know, don't want to destroy lots to do because it's good for that right now,

i'm going to kind of conflict with dresser. well, nothing because, you know, when with aggressive, so they're going to be dropped off. typically because it's a gauge, they're all interested in who's going to make a little money. and that was a mistake because the, the, you're, and uh, they might, the space the is on out. i won't go logical informations which don't care about sometimes you know, they don't care about practical use or what they do when they don't care about the money. they can lose their much if that is needed to be rented, fema and just go into it. yeah, yeah. so is that sounds a rush? it was the narrative because we thought that you know, uh, 2000 years old sprint, magic western civilization. no. these 2002 years are all sounds good. yeah. now the west, on the other hand, you know, guided by the side you the was review. the trash is ruled by probably, i read the or the box will of course a very slide you should go and review which will not sustain the sanctions. you

know, this is all wrapped in strapped to graduate and this is not how if we had been so bad, you know, last week when we were most have sustained with sanctions for more than a year. so this is the most dreadful thing about it. uh, people are guided by a oh i do it with jeep and borrow the fish to it so that i told you is the price that we bought the year rest of the don't use some kind of destructive weapons because after all, the rain was part of the country and the sensible people in to put in does not want to die and all that. so basically, i think that the we are in a very dangerous spiral. you know, where, because of all the old you, people are getting closer and closer to a very dangerous break. and in that sense, i would like to say that the west keeps talking about personal dictates, you know,

the demonized people from baby, glad to day. just pull, gee and the people don't how to dictate to be close to getting an election. go see, i think the additional just yet. uh well a dictatorship or like, oh jeez, is mark worse. the person dictates because if you have a dictate to a funeral, she can feel the jeep or she can be scared. i told you nose, no, peachy, and its nose no, uh, scare, you know, for an ideal what would you because this is not human human be. what matters is it's fixed, or, you know, anyone who disagrees e as in mary, the machine or she has to be just model. that's what we're facing from the west right now in georgia again, you know, going back to these public that now i'm saying the wide part out loud. it, it's, it's, it's so tragic that, um, corporate main stream media doesn't pick up on these things at all. i mean, it's only it, it's a,

it's only independent media that actually talks about these pronouncements. okay. so anti war come i pick it up or something like that. yeah. but again, how democratic is this? there is no debate whatsoever about this policy. and this is, you know, vietnam was awful, it's terrible for people that lost their, their, their sounds there. the same thing about, um your rac afghanistan. that's fine. okay. but it was never next essential for the us in the west. and now we have this situation where it is x has dental and there's no debate about it at all. it is truly extraordinary. it really is, i can't really explain it well, you know how gum that's of it doesn't seem to be any uh, awareness on the bottom of the why the public anywhere in europe in the united states of just how dangerous the situation is. i mean, remember, you know, the cuban mississauga price is, was so terrifying, you know, it goes around the world that, you know, it's essentially, you know, great the,

you know, of a decade and, you know, becket in the hall over at the top all is that because simply because, you know, the consensus view was united states and the soviet union cannot get themselves again. it's a such a, a terrifying confrontation. but there was none. and i think it's comes about because the, the leads have been putting out the story that russia is too scared to take a song so we can do whatever we want. 5 you know, where you, you know, we and we can blow up that pipelines. we can attack them on their own soil. you know, we can even attack the kremlin, but russia is too scared of us. and uh, you know, we have when list trusts and says, yeah, i'm ready to press the button. so we're ready to press the button. russian knows we're ready to press the button rush or how it was not ready to press the button. and we know russia is isn't ready to press the button. so what's that to worry about? let's just keep going and you know, the position. now the theme is that about this, the all legit. remember,

the wesley position now is not just well, we're going to defeat russia militarily. when we want to arrest bolton and take him to the hague. i mean, that's good. that's now. that would be the official wisdom position that's, that's called there to be a band. so there's never even know to meet any withdrawal of sanctions because of the rest of the week. we need both to give us both and, you know, just like, you know, the, the sub's back in the ninety's give us my lots of, it's one of the live central's ability to give us mostly so that style the width and position give us built in. so it's, it's, you know, this extraordinary extra mean possession and yet the other public just emphasize. oh, that's fine. let's keep going. yeah. well, the take away take from, uh, let me both of you said here is it, it's impossible to argue with stupid. okay? and that's the level that we have all found ourselves in there. they're not open to any kind of conversation or negotiation. and that's why it, when you, when that's closed down,

we go up to be in this. and that's where we are gentlemen. and that's all the time we have. we want to thank my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our tc, an exam, remember prospect because the solutions may be able to turn to atrocities. in other countries, united states of america is different wherever people long to be free. they will find a friend in the united states, the key to the automated body of the volts, anybody phase the solar city and key job. the look at the in service of each skid

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