a potential allegations of elections, broad model, if you, if we look at the election resolve sober, the last is almost 2 decades are. so this has been what we keep seeing. basically add on one the previous presidential elections by a small margin. again, i think he got it in the 1st round by a margin of uh, 51.7 percent or something. so these margins in the talk to selection traditions are not terribly bad. so i don't think there would be any cloud cost on the agent to miss out the elections. indeed, the opposition has conceded defeat, and there has been a quite a lively debate in the opposition circles as to what to do, whether the organization data should actually resign from his position. or you initially indicate that he would fight back even though the opposition conceded the defeat uh, the leader of delta position. mr clays, darrell lew, uh,

pronounced these elections as one of the most unfair in recent years. do you think the opposition may take it further and call it supporters onto the streets or take some other action and we have a saying entire construction. it's just come to me. we say at wrestler, which is a who's defeated and keeps asking for a new route. okay. awesome. so that's quite understand about, i mean he hasn't won anything since he basically took over to the main opposition party. i'm, these become almost missed a defeatist at but you know, you have each time you will come up with some sort of an excuse for running into the next sound. but i suppose this time it's going to be quite difficult for him to stand. and if not, in part simple because she seems to have used all his excuses,

but at the same time, uh, the people that aren't himself again, i keep reading it, but uh well that it keep advising a him not to base it resign, but to keep fighting but the, somebody may or i think and is coming up for it and it is coming up for a fight. uh huh. to get the leadership of dominion or position. so it's going to be an interesting period. but what i say is it's not basically just about the leader, but the just the leadership that cops i think um for us this. okay, domain or position lead to college donald or was quite a feeble person. you know, he wasn't strong enough to stand against added or gone. yeah. brand new to color in 2010. i was also a very, into his just to get back date, a prospective change in the government and all that. but the,

all those hopes were dashed quick date because she didn't beach could present any property leadership. can i ask you a couple of questions about the present air, the on because he was victory and notwithstanding the electorate, that as you mentioned, actually they, they lectured, remain, split the across many lines, urban the rural, you know, the secular, religious and many others. do you understand the display to be primarily domestically based how turkey is wrong, or is it more about turkish positioning on the international stage? well, this time, i think the view was they had a position that basically came up and as to how to run tacket because the sort of proposals they came up with didn't appeal to the masses. i mean, imagine a situation you have indeed that who's been running the country for over 2 decades

. i mean, she's basically, he's popularity may have enrolled at m, at the me a, there is widespread of dissatisfaction with the way she around the country with the way he formulates policies with the way she does things. plus you have a terrible economic crisis module, which is because of the government's dissembling of the economy. but presumably although the government has id top it's house basically quite properly in the last 2 years in the house in terms of foreign policy. but in terms of handling the corner man to financial situation and all that, they seem to have made a lot of mistakes. and you can see this across the across or, you know, across the talk to society or whatever you go and talk to people, whoever you talk to, everybody is this displeased i dislike despite but what your position came up with

. didn't seem to offer anything. uh huh. you know, the old no liberal policies, the old no liberal at financial uh, banking for. ready london market 2 years, you know, to lend money to the doctor, but we have experienced all back, you know, and in terms of part of the policy, the criticism that the, and what position came up with didn't set on the. ready go well with the electorate in job can i? uh, before we go to foreign policy, one thing that interest me on the domestics, i have lots of churches, friends, and most of them i have to say, are they urbanites and they do criticize or the on government for the way public education is ron, for the way economy is managed and as you mentioned in many of your articles and the are the own government changed its tax on foreign policy?

do you think a now that has a renewed mandate, do you think it would be more amenable to the uh, um, to the calls or to the dissatisfaction of uh, that portion of the electron that did not support him? can you show the same flexibility on the domestic from, from the 1st pronouncements he's been making and, and the fact that he's basically dismissed on the cabinet members. and he said, i think he would, uh, so my new tablet and a during the election campaign. he also sort of mentioned several of the times that some of the impediments liked the interviews, for instance, uh for the candidates seeking to um, but a quite a seeking to take up a public job in the government sector. and uh would be all eliminate fits. so

all this sounds well, but you know of these out of the public pronouncements, how easy going to basically handle some of the major problems over there remains to be seen. but as you pointed out, the sheets start time that they basically did quite. ready quite a good job with the foreign policy over the last 2 and a half years now. uh, speaking about a positional tactics. you mentioned one inexplicable thing, you know, uh, uh, trying to, uh, you know, associate a trick here with the, uh, neo liberal uh, global list policies at the time when much of the world is actually demonstratively moving away from it. so that's quite difficult to understand. now, oldest pronouncements about nato, a given nato's track record, and predominantly muslim countries, but as he understands, we are,

the russians have our own bias because i think the russians generally, i used to all things thrown that way. but i think if it was an absolutely pure astonishment in moscow when police that are little came out with occupations accusing rusher of electro interference. and sure these trick was used in the american context, but at least in the, in the case of the united states, we would have seen the, the political utility of that. in this case, we're struggling to find it. can you help us with that? well i'm, i'm actually at a loss when it comes to the he, when he comes to the 3 3rd message, he actually posts that on that night. i just, uh, you know, i also posted that the message saying that this is something incredible, unprecedented in talk is particularly history that then or positions either coming up and a choosing a major country or even a very,

very rude way. i have to say about the way it was brought to the russian. it was very come to something. i mean it was strictly like, it wasn't polite that i know turks there play people, but this was very rude. just italy. well yeah. the, as i said, this was, took an unprecedented, do you know, we've never had something like that. and even if you have, i mean, even if you are prime minister or the president, and then you have very credible intelligence, pointing to something, directions to, to, to something the russians sort of and something like, what like people voicing that supports for president, arizona. i mean, i know so you must go who supports police, donald luke, someone who support. uh, uh, you know, air go on and by the way, a russian church voted in favor of the opposition the, you know, according to the official, totally. so, i mean, i would imagine that, yeah, because the people to talk people, i know all the and dry,

shy in the area are quite as you, as you pointed out a perspective or position boat or she has and they have, they have freely expressed the day of their choice, you know, they there, but the way what i was going to say was, even if you were running the country as prime minister, you know, into the chief or the intelligence or the, uh, as about that then even if you have had the about the intelligence pointing at something, some sort of a ms g y drive shop by another country. i mean, there is a way of doing it. and you know, we normally, even during the cold war, for instance, the germans used to mess up with their intelligence. and despite the scan that was but the top, the top 2 sides um, but used to manage it quite successfully, you know, through the uh, behind to call it the service is for a ultimate plan. it does have to do the alternate and, and the date that the terminal mortgage and the wording was also, uh,

interesting because, um, it wasn't something like a turkish written message. it was something like as if a, as it's a functional wave. i mean, if you actually check it, it was google trunk way, then you know that the raises questions about the kind of experience and expertise he relies upon for making his foreign policy thinking low. i mean, you said that i was hesitant to come a car check the call since late basically. yes. i just as if it was if a written down in english and the message was sent in english and then because they didn't talk to something like that. and i checked it with his previous messages, and it was an opportunity in line with his highlighter. and so basically, i mean, he and all the sparks persons on foreign policy made their remarks about

foreign policy for the prospective for them. political touchy, i'm and non basic, they seem to have gone down well uh, with the public in general. now i'm your customer now what i'm sure you'll go down uh well with the public is us taking a very short break right now, but we will be back, i promise, in just a few months, h, u, and the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have, it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the

russian states never is as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best, most all sense and up to 5 must be the one else calls. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move. yep. mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the services for the question, did you see a request for champ? the the,

[000:00:00;00] the welcome back to all the parts with the test done on all professor, all political science and international relations as multiple universities. now, a professor will know, i heard you say in and out the interview that the fundamentals of the turkish russian breakfast more of the air. so regardless of the personality of the leader, he or she would most likely fall off on them. and this seems like an obvious point, but on the other hand, the fundamentals are not octo magic. they depend on the, on particular world view. and we, in russia alone believe that the cornerstones of the functional russian, german,

or russian e. u relations for there and look where he got us, which leads me to a question. uh, what's the, what's the difference and give you between the weight to jerky. yeah. under the current leadership defines it's a national policy or a national interest and the way it's done in the european union. i think what patrick did, over the last 2 and a half years at a drop today, is that it has adult. it has adopted the sides to the approaching fast, approaching multiply. i think i, i would also say that the election results in tag k is also i trans, or multiply to over the only polite i tried. so i'm the main difference between eh, it between the weight factor basically formulates is part of policy over the last few of years. and the way the europeans do is that. and they

and the lion play support at uni polite. and they got carried away by the american as sort of by the american way of torturing that russia is going to be down on it's near was because of the sanctions interaction military's po, phone a. he's going to perform so badly because it's being, you know, the bad the wrong because it's been mismanaged and blah, blah. i'm the but the tucked his side never basically and took those, uh, tutoring, says at their face value. and then what i, what i can see over the last few years, it stopped just with the raw shot that took as cultivate the best possible relations. but it has also, um, a created a new part of the policy by which, you know, in a multiple asset that and multi dimensional weight,

multilateral way. you can actually look forward to and as top leash and flash flashing good relations with countries add further and further in the way, like central asians, china, and others and uh, data europeans have a, have become a hostage of, of the all data. well, you look at data top diploma, talking about a garden and the junk go, i mean, she must be you must be leaving, you know, photos padded eyes. i mean, i wish i knew what the very, very mild term i would call it, the racist dogs in a full big paradise. oh it be all bob apart from that. oh oh, of course you know, there is that there is that which is that and then it so many experts are going to basically uh, bring that up. but you know what part of dies a what?

sorry, walked out and, and but john, go, are you talking about, you know, and that are so many centers of civilizations and that are form incentives of power as, as you go on to that i think you are following an foreign minister is excellence a lot or we can is african tool renden the you mentioned that, you know, did talk to she elections has been followed by optic and countries. i mean, i'm sorry. yeah. so you have a turkey which is in output call. you have talked to you in this to in central asia, in the middle east, and that's where, what god, and then what jungle are you talking about? the illusion. but you know, it's, it's a very interesting framing because uh, as you mentioned, and it's still the only uh, under president air go on. i mean, i think uh uh, turkey is throughout its history has been pretty multilateral uh and its approaches to its neighbors to how it develop trade to how it went about expanding it. so,

but if you look at the headlines and menu of the western media today, i saw one, the proclaiming the pretend one church's elections and the other ones trusting that there is growing despotism in turkey as if you know, a despotism control overnight. i mean, it's as this, um, you know, is this people in this suppose that the european garden cannot even perceive the world as it is happening right now, because no one in the world would think about the fact that, you know, somebody dictates turkish people that you know their choices, them. yeah, the accusation is there and many of the europeans believe it firmly. well, let them carry on living on their planet and let them carry on living and fools, palletized, you know, there's, there isn't much we can do x except that the, like touch it does, you know, in terms of trade in economy relations and bid

a political or political consultation and what have you, but we haven't learned how to deal with the europeans. you know, they may say something, for instance, in nato, a, some in natal meeting, where they praise target to the sky. and in the next, when they get together renay european union meeting, they basically criticize tuck as if they are good sizing. a. ready you know, the best possible country in the world, and i can actually ask you about that because i think this is the fascinating point . and this is something that distinguishes turkey from other need to members. because turkey has practical hands on experience of reconciling with his name and neighbors, including russia. you know, we think all the way back to 2015 and our difficulties over over syria. but this type of approach, it is very practical approach to uh,

foreign policy is quite different from the typical of western approach. but it is essentially about, you know, you have to submit to our will because your immortal inferior that's the only thing that they can. essentially offer to other countries. i was the, the turkish left liberals who loved the elections, but we still remain, of course, in your country, if they would be willing to cooperate with the west on those terms that you know, accepting that, that country somehow is not good and out. therefore, it has to be benefited by the western advice they talked about that for so many for more than 10 years. and i'm the main argument was about that i used to call them chapter in classes. you know, they would be chatting about how the west the road was so good and then i did go are we didn't do your opinion union or you are basically in the start bold. and

then the, you know, the word they would cost with, with, with the welfare and with the rows of the west and all the non was true at the time. but they package and you know, try to in classes were like that many of them turned, you know, later as it transpired. manual done by getting large funds from european union and the foundations and what have you. i mean, but they have lost any really the prestige they ever had with the turkish public. you know, no one basically listens to what they say. and this is one of the things big that perhaps i should have mentioned during the interview. and you're one of us talking about the main opposition. uh. acting a hand in glove with the um. yeah, with some of the people that the talk is pipe public doesn't like for us this, these a, these guys you know, and the,

some of them came back into prominence again. thanks to the old position. you tweeted recently that coupled with the anchor uh damascus, normalization, uh on the top of the around. so how do you reconciliation? uh, the real me, the east spring is on the horizon and your contrasting it with the arab spring of the, of the past day keeping reach. i have to mention that again, cherokee a played on this side of the west. uh, how do you think these 2 springs may be different now? it while the art of spring, uh as the best eh, call that you know, whenever there is something happening, any incident, any event in any part of the world which the west considers in its favor, it would be a spring. you can call it for instance, approx spring of 1968. you can have, you know, uh,

meet the lease spring up spring and, and then maybe other springs if i sort of, uh think about that but and uh, what it is this time around at leo spring is actually coming because there is, spring is coming to the middle east, through, at all, to be sold in auto pay, phone dynamics. this is what we need it or something like, yes, i'm look at a look at the multiply t, which is actually m a creating a wonderful ok most fat across the me lease. i mean, the saudis and the gear unions are coming to terms with each other over a very serious issues over the issues we used to be a sold to paint, very serious. but now of, you know, overnight they seem pads overcome all those issues. but we, we sort of, uh, we bought a sort of, quote, to believe that those issues would never page

a go away. and as far as the, just the think about the m a, a american ascendancy into call. so you have the raining shop who was a very good friend or the mattress, and then do you have the out ups in a lead by solved a yeah. and again, a very friendly to the united states. but the united states never tried to basically these old data problems. they never even attempted, that really happened and minutes left. and i'm very tempted since you brought up the saudi arabian rep personal. i'm very tempted to ask you about whether you think, given that the trucks have mand amended, their relationship with many of the neighbors. do you think there is any chance of them reconciling with the greeks which potentially could have profound consequences? not only on the bilateral relationship,

but also the tensions between the west and on the west. and when i'm asking this question, i understand all the complications associated with it. but do you think present, or the amount of it his renewed mandate would be tempted by something like this? because in this case, he was really make history. not so much for or you know, by added or on. but as the, the end you attempt may come from the greek side because they are following what has been happening and across the world as well as the region wide. because multiple lottery to meet this the m the. ready degree using influence of the west and the, and their prize all packed in the region in every way possible. and then what are you going to do with turkey? i mean, uh, can you simply uh, uh, sort of think that the western world is trying to protect you from the tax. well, i, in a, in a, you know,

it can made or not. it would be pretty hard. although for gym using towards stuff for solved as quite basically seems stark, it has basically made up. we don't, it's made been neighbors including israel, age of 10, others in the region. the geeks have been basically having 2nd thoughts about the policy. you know, the actual address it policies they're being pushing towards target. so it may come at some stage, but it would start to take time because i somehow know the greek and on my end. so it is, it is a and hard not to crack. it's not easy. well professor know if or when it comes, i hope we can discuss it on on this. that would be wonderful. thank you very much for your time at this time around. it's been great pleasure talking to you. that was my pleasure. thank you. and thank you for watching tulsa sir again on the world's

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