to say credible intelligence, pointing to something, directions to, to, to something the russians sort of and something like, what like people voicing that supports for president, arizona. i mean, i know some of you must go who supports police. donald boost, someone who support. uh uh you know, and on, and by the way, a russian church voted in favor of the opposition the, you know, according to the official, totally. so, i mean, i would imagine that. yeah, because the people, the focused people i know often dropped shy in the area are quite as you, as you pointed out the perspective of position boat or she has and they have, they have freely expressed the day of their choice. you know, they there. but the way what i was going to say was, even if you were running the country as prime minister, you know, a day into the chief or the intelligence or the president. and then even if you have had the about, the intelligence pointing at something, some sort of a ms g,

y drive shop by another country. i mean, there is a way of doing it. and you know, we know when they, even during the cold war, for instance, the germans used to mess up with their intelligence. and despite the scan that was but the top, the talk is side um, but used to manage it quite successfully. you know, through the uh, behind to call it the service this for a ultimate plan. exactly. i mean do the alternate and, and the date that the terminal mileage and the word thing was also, uh, interesting because, um, it wasn't something like a turkish written message. it was something like as if a, as it's a functional wave, i mean, if you actually check if it was google trunk way, then you know, that raises questions about the kind of experience and expertise he relies upon for making his foreign policy think being low. i mean, you said it was

a hesitant to come a car checked the options basically yes, i just as if it was, if it written down in english and the message was sent in english and then prostate it then to talk to something like that. and i checked it with his previous messages, and it was an opportunity in line with his highlighter. so basically, i mean, he and all the sparks persons on foreign policy made their remarks about foreign policy perspective for them political touchy and non basic. they seem to have gone down well with the public in general. now i'm your best are now what i'm sure you'll go down uh well with the public is us taking a very short break right now, but we will be back. i promise, in just a few mom, h, u and the

the criminal in his very clear deliveries of f. 16 jets because of would be an unacceptable escalation. we've heard this form a friend with before. think back to the weeks before the start, the brush and special military operations, the russians weren't bluffing that, and they're not fluffing. now the,

[000:00:00;00] the welcome back to all the parts of it. test on, on all professor, all political science and international relations as multiple universities. now, a professor will know, i heard you say in and out the interview that the fundamentals of the turkish russian breakfast more of their so regardless of the personality of the leader, he or she would most likely fall off on them. and this seems like an obvious one, but on the other hand, the fundamentals and all of them, i think they depend on the, on the particular world view. and we,

and rushed along. believe that the cornerstones of the functional russian, german, or russian e. u relations for there and look where he got us, which leads me to a question. uh, what's the, what's the difference and give you between the weight to jerky, yet under the current leadership defines it's a national policy or a national interest. and the way it's done in the european union, i think what patrick did over the last 2 and a half years at a drop today, is that it has adult, it has adopted the sides to the approaching past, approaching multiply. i think i, i would also say that the election results in tacket is also i trans or multiply to over you on the polite i tried. so i'm the main difference between eh, it between the weight factor basically formulates is part of all this over the last

few of years. and the way the europeans do is that. and they and the lion play support at uni polite. and they got carried away by the american as sort of by the american way of torturing that russia is going to be down on it's near was because of the sanctions interaction military's perform a, he's going to perform so badly because it's being, you know, a bad the wrong because it's being mismanaged and blah, blah, i'm the but the tucked his side never basically and took those uh, altura and says at their face value. and what i, what i can see over the last few years, it stopped just with the raw shot that took as cultivate the best possible relations. but it has also, um, a created a new part of the policy by which,

you know, in a multiple asset that and multi dimensional weight, multilateral way. you can actually look forward to and as top lease and flattish flashing good relations with countries add further and further in the way, like central asians, china, and others and uh, data europeans have a, have become a hostage of all day all day. and well, you look at their top diploma talking about a garden and the jungle. i mean, she must be, you must be living, you know, photos padded eyes. i mean, i wish i knew what the very, very mild term i would call it the race to stores in a full big paradise. oh it be all bob apart from that. oh oh, of course you know, there is that there is that which is that and then it so many experts are getting

to basically uh, bring that up. but you know what part of dies? what? sorry, walked out and, and, but jungle are you talking about? you know, and that are so many centers of civilizations and that form incentives of power as, as you go onto that, i think you are following the foreign minister. is excellence a lot, or we can is african tool renden the you mentioned that, you know, did talk your selections has been followed by optic and countries. i mean, i'm sorry. yeah. and so you have a turkey, which is an output call. you have talked to in this to, in central asia, in the middle east and, and as back what god and then what junk allow you told me about the illusion. but you know, it's, it's a very interesting framing because uh, as you mentioned, and it's still the only uh, under president area. go on. i mean, i think the churches throughout its history has been, uh, pre,

the multi electro uh and its approaches to its neighbors to how it develop trade to how it went about expanding itself. but if you look at the outlines and many of the western media today, i saw one, the proclaiming the put in one churches selections and the other ones trusting that there is growing despotism in turkey as if you know, a despotism control overnight. i mean, it's as this, um, you know, it is this people in this, suppose if you're a p m garden, cannot even perceive the world as it is happening right now, because no one in the world would think about the fact that, you know, somebody dictates turkish people that you know that choices and you have, the accusation is there and many of the europeans believe it firmly. well, let them carry on living on their planet and let them carry on living and foes, palletized, you know there's,

there isn't much we can do x except that the light touch it does unite in terms of trade in economy relations and a bit of policy. political consultation and what have you, but we haven't learned how to deal with the european. so, you know, they may say something, for instance, in nato awesome. uh, in natal meeting, where the price target to the sky. and in the next, when they get together renay european union meeting, they basically criticize tuck as if they are good sizing a, you know, the best possible country in the world. and i can actually ask you about that because i think this is a fascinating point. and this is something that distinguish restrict you from other may to members because turkey has practical hands on experience of reconciling with his name and neighbors, including russia. you know, we think all the way back to 2015 and our difficulties over over syria. but

this type of approach, it is very practical approach to uh, foreign policy is quite different from the typical western approach. but is essentially about, you know, you have to submit to our will because you are a model interior. that's the only thing that they can. essentially offer to other countries. i wonder if the truck is left liberals who loved the elections, but we still remain, of course, in your country. if they would be willing to cooperate with the west on those terms that you know, accepting that, that country somehow is not good enough. therefore it has to be benefited by the western advice they talked about that for so many for more than 10 years. and i'm, the main argument was about that i used to call them chattering classes, you know, they would be chatting about how the western world was so good. and then i did go

out or we didn't do your opinion union or you are basically in the start bold. and then the, you know, there were, they would cost with, with, with the west pad and with the rows of the west and all the non was true at the time. but a turkish and, you know, try to, in classes were like that many of them turned, you know, later as it transpired. manual done, well, getting large funds from european union and the foundations and what have you, i mean, but they have lost any really the prestige they ever had with the turkish public. you know, no one basically listens to what they say. and this is one of the things big the perhaps i should have mentioned during the interview. you're one of us talking about the may no position is acting, handing the law with the um. yeah, with some of the people that the talk is piped up public. doesn't like for us this,

these a, these guys you know, and that some of them came back into prominence again. thanks to the all position you've. we've had recently that coupled with the anchor uh damascus, normalization, uh on the top of the around. so do reconciliation. the real middle east spring is on the horizon and your contrasting it with the arab spring of the, of the past day keeping reach. i have to mention it yet again. cherokee a played on this side of the west. how do you think these 2 springs may be different now? while the odd of spring uh, as the best uh, cold it, you know, whenever there is something happening, any incident, any event in any part of the world which the west considers in its favor, it would be a spring. you can call it, for instance, approx spring of 1968. you can have, you know,

uh me the least spring up spring and, and then the maybe other springs if i sort of, uh think about that. but and uh, what it is this time around edlio spring is actually coming because there is spring is coming to the middle east through at all to be sold in auto beach phone dynamics . this is what we need it or something like, yes, i'm look at a look at the multiply t, which is actually n a, creating a wonderful ok most fat across the me lease. i mean the saudis, into your unions are coming to terms with each other. i over very serious issues over the issues we used to be of sold to think very serious. but now of you know, overnight they seem to have overcome all those issues. but we, we sort of, uh, we bought

a sort of coat to believe that those issues would never page a go away. and as far as the, just the think about the m a, a american, uh i sent that seemed to call. so you have the rain in shop who was a very good friend or a mattress and then do you have the odds in our a lead by solved a yeah. and again, very friendly to the united states. but the united states never to try to basically these old data problems. they never even attempt to that real. but i mean, it's less than i'm very tempted since you brought up the saudi arabian rep personal . i'm very tempted to ask you about whether you think, given that the trucks have mand amended, their relationship with many of the neighbors. do you think there is any chance of

them reconciling with the greeks which potentially could have profound consequences? not only on the bilateral relationship, but also the tensions between the west and on the west. and when i'm asking this question, i understand all the complications associated with it. but do you think present or the one of his renewed mandate would be tempted by something like this? because in this case he was really make history. not so much for the, you know, by added on, but add the, the, a new attempt may come from the greek side because they are following what has been happening and across the world as well as the region wide. i'm because multiply to meet the am. ready degree using influence of the west and the, and their prize they'll pack in the region in every way possible. and then what are you going to do with turkey? i mean, it can use simply an ad. uh,

sort of thing that the western world is going to protect you from the tax. well, i in a, in a, you know, in may or not, it would be pretty hard. although i'm using to watch stuff for solved as quite basically seemed to spark. it has basically made up, we don't, it's me, it's been neighbors including israel agent than others in the region. the geeks have been basically having 2nd thoughts about the policy. you know, the actually aggressive policies they have been pushing towards target. so it may come at some stage, but it would start to take time because i somehow know degree mind, so it is, it is a hard not to crack. it's not easy. well professor know if or when it comes, i hope we can discuss it on on this. so that would be wonderful. thank you very much for your time this time around. it's been a great pleasure talking to you. that was my pleasure. thank you. and thank you for watching hope this, sir. again, on the world's

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hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle. the kremlin has made it clear deliveries of f. 16 jets because we'd be an unacceptable escalation. we've heard this farmer frederick before. think back to the weeks before the start, the brushes special military operation. the russians weren't bluffing, bent, and they're not bluffing. now the prospect in ukraine and escalation, i'm joined by my guess. then come all like in pittsburgh. he is a professor of law and author of the plot, the scape goat russia in tampa. we have larry johnson, he is a managing partner for burg associates and a former c i. a analyst and u. s. state department, counter and terrorism official annabel rate because to john bobs, which he is a political consultant, dry gentleman crosstalk roles in effect, that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, mary, let me go to you 1st and tampa. i love what else? words unacceptable escalation. this again, it rang

a bell with me because we heard this the months before the complex that started in february 21 and. and i take it very seriously. i have told the guests that listen to me in the west, the russians don't bluff your thoughts, larry, not even though i agree with you, russia, russia, that's not the united states in that regard of the, i guess the good news is that the f sixteens abilities are, you know, capabilities are grossly exaggerated. yeah, so that it will market escalation. but russia has all the tools and equipment from the standpoint of our defense systems to shoot them down. so they will be, it will just be one more example of the united states and nato as a whole of waste the military resources. and the only thing to accomplish, see, this just irritated russia. dan, basically the same question. this is in the backdrop, then the last 24 hours that were drone and there was

a drone multiple drone attacks on the moscow region. very little damage. i don't think anyone was killed or are even really seriously injured. but it does, could set a precedent here we, we, we had with the, the, the, there was an attack on some kind of command, the control center around tab. so this is an escalation that's going up the escalation ladder. we're all traveling up. unfortunately, there's a certain point where you don't want to get on the escalation ladder and you know what i mean. go ahead, dan in pittsburgh. you know, this is a quite frightening situation and i should say that a one point, joe biden himself, it said that sending these types of weapons to ukraine would be crossing the red line that he didn't want to cross. but apparently were willing to, we keep moving that red line further and further. and yes, we are, you know, possibly headed towards a greater complet ration. it should be noted, of course,

there's nato troops now and uh, codes of, oh we're beating up on protesters and lab. rob is saying that, you know, serbia, kosovo could be another increasing hot spot in europe. i mean, this really has all the markings of a greater we're on the floor and i think we all need to be very, very cognizant of that and, and need to be raising our voices against it. well it john, um we have heard this great fame, the almost fairy tell the story about a counter offensive it's we just have to wait a little bit longer. so we throw in the have sixteens here. i seriously doubt they have 60 so i've arrived there because for the very reason that larry just mentioned, they'll just be shot down. i mean, the united states has been fighting hurts been for the quarter century, for like that number of 50 is a, is a uh, coincidentally, dean is a 45 year old fighter. it was developed in 1978. it's now

45 years old. and so what we're talking about is sending in a fighter, which would be the equivalent of the british spit fire from 1945 into a battle in 1990. and the go for that's the difference between today's tech, the log, the technological advances and what was done in the past. so easy to shoot down. it has 50 percent less thrust than the f $35.00. and it has less range and we're talking about a massive country here, ukraine. so i would suggest that what we're talking about here really is just an extension of the old war, is a racket that american generally the general smedley, but they're described. this is a way for america to clear its inventory in depth. the ukrainian government and ukrainian people for the next generation and get rid of useless hardware and have russia should be down for free. that's what's about to happen. well, talking about things and you know, in, in reserve here, larry, i mean, you just,

how many more troops can ukraine sacrifice for, for the nato is and bishan and visions. and it's only ambition is not to induct ukraine. obviously it is to inflict a strategic defeats on brushes. so, i mean, i will, i've wandered, pondered for months now what future historians will say about the leadership of ukraine. i mean, they're the ones that are sacrificing their young while the others flee the country . i just have to wonder the demographics of all this larry. all right, well, the future historians will look back and say that with respect to the crane and to the west, they were and say that or they were status. but the reality is ukraine does not have the manpower to send in too bad. so what do i mean by that? it's one thing when the recruit, somebody in the put

a uniform on them that does not make them a soldier or capable of operating an enlarged unit maneuvers as an example. and that requires a months of training. well, ukraine doesn't have those people that it can grab and then put into those training and situations that allow that training to on full. and they have the leisure of them. so in these reserves, and they're still going to be green and unprepared, that that's what i don't get with this. you know, the here with respect to the 16 discussion, it's going to arrive later in the year. like december. i don't think ukraine's military will be intact by the end of the year. i do not see how they can button their, you months, months to basic training. months to basic training. we're talking about advanced weapons here. no way. yeah. what i mean basically your basic training is about like 3 months basically per just, just to get started. and that's why that's learning how to put on your uniform march information and understand the difference between right and left. well, let,

let me, larry also here. yeah, i mean i, i hope i get my number right here, but up to 600 different systems in the military systems are being built. i mean, it's holly and stuff, portuguese stuff, a little bit of power stuff. but i don't know if anybody in the baltic space said anything more than a pistol, but you know, i mean, none of these things can talk to each other a actually the calories they use different caliber of shells. i mean, i guess, you know, we can talk to a lack of training which, you know, this has even been reported in western media, but you have this kind of, you know, rag tag amount of use stuff that nobody really wants anymore. larry, you know, it's a great, it's a garage sale. i saw this 1st hand how it affects operations. when i was the c, i a and we were providing supplies to the conference, alan and fires who was running the shuttle american task force at the time. he bought 25 different aircraft. and every single aircraft had different maintenance

requirements. instead of buying one kind of lane and servicing them with all of the same kind of parts, we created an incredible logistics problem and, and the nature of the united states. they're doing this on a, on a no player scale. i mean, it's massive how, how incompetent it is. well, dan, i mean, again, a is the biggest frustration for a lot of people watching. this is the whole issue of timing and i think you were on my program when i asked them who's got the clocks and who's got the time. and the way i read is not, not a military expert, even though everybody on cable thinks they are. i'm not okay, the, i'm sorry, and so, you know, a, the way i look at it is that there this, the f sixteens, all this little trinkets that's just for p r. okay. um, but the way i look at it is that the, the russians are waiting for the counter offensive, it will fizzle out, and that's when they will take their charge. i mean that, that the history is proven that over and over again. i mean, the battle of course,

gives probably a good example, dan, as well. yes. i mean, i think, militarily, russia has probably, you know, an advantage that cannot be, you know, the counter at this point, any serious way. the goal of the united states, at this point is to keep, keep the war going for as long as possible. and in many regards, that means trying to win the propaganda war, trying to show that we're still doing something to help ukraine trying to show that ukraine still has some fight left in them though. not much. and that really, again,