is will bleed. so the word is here how the us will move. so thus far we have managed to keep us as an important life. but us patients may also try out. so we are concerned about this jew political rivalry. so there are definitely she is. yeah, relatively speaking, $20000000.00 us dollars is really just a drop in the bucket for the us budget. all right, coming up next. dance with the devil. you know in the east for putting your face in prior. unfulfilled promises made by foreigners in the west. we'll discuss it when we return with our expert guest. sit tight, the m o will be right back. the the

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borrow from the late former sex death and donald rumsfeld. c for a country, the unknown unknowns can have deadly consequences from generations to follow. is that why the stands are preferring to keep in the eastern orbit hours or comet off geo political analyst is still with us to discuss. so our share, the russian special military operation in ukraine has actually driven russia and china into closer alliance. given that the stan countries were part of the old silk road and will take part in the new belton road initiative. the stan countries are revived as both a strategic geo political location as well as just prime real estate for trade. so in total, the region both about a $170000000.00 people and a group g d p of about 3 trillion us dollars. will this provide court or be able to

resist western influence or ensure that actually uh, this revives corridor is not only helping to resist the western pressure or on russia and china. it is actually serving as a lifeline for trade. and as well as for support for the original economies, in fact that this chord or is already like serving as a transport route for, for really critical goods and supplies from china, central asia to russia and other parts of the razor. so uh, definitely central asian countries are taking sheets for being part of this trade route from the western countries. and but this trade route, this, the lifeline is also crucial for our economies. without it, we are going to bleat, so we are now stuck. we are trying to figure it out how we could avoid like the

kind of pressure, but at the same time, we want to continue this collaboration. this trade with the thing is that china is willing to finance this up a new railroad from china all the way for some clarity stop was becky starting to finish the onward. so this important core it or is something that a lot of people here are tray will work because of that would mean that the lot of good from china will be coming to central asia at a cheap cost. so in some this, federal is a lifeline, not only for russia and china, but also for us originally, economies, and ordinary people. now for those not too familiar with the stands, can you summarize the political situation in that region? is it fairly stable? is it saves money a little over the past 30 or 4 years since the stan countries became independent.

they have gone through a very tumultuous period of 3 issues have called for more in the region. the 1st one was how to divide political power among various political factions that formed this issue has gone. busy most the 3 revolutions incurred to stop an uprising, even the catholic stone, as well as it is becky stone, and is still dividing the leads the issue, how to transfer power peaceful. the 2nd issue is that of how to do wide wealth. it cannot make it uh, kind of the quality. so there has been this trend where, where some people became richer and richer, and others became poor. so there is this divide between the wealthy and those were poor. so this economic divide has also been causing a lot of uncertainties add 2 more protests in all of the region. the sort of issue

is that of state border. so just under curtis star went to a war last year. oh unders. busy of state borders, it was biggest under trudy start also had some issues. so this issue is causing a lot of anxiety of ordinary people and definitely with a touch of truth is more has become a frozen conflict and interrupt any port. one of the lessons from the past 40 years of independence is that the countries that were willing to go undergo deeper reforms, they were the most unstable. and those ones which preserve the soviet era controls over society, the economy. they manage to stay afloat and stable. i'm talking about some competitive stuff. there's north korea style country that well, that country has not reformed much. it has no open to the outside world. and as a result, it you made surprisingly stable. whereas curtis dog,

the small country amount was one. it has experience a lot of turmoil, 3 of oceans, lot of uprisings because it was the one that was willing to reform deeply. it received a lot of support from international community. we're on the wall back. and as a result, it's a pretty to they also will cause a lot of uncertainties as well as a discords in the country and instability. why do you think there is renewed interest by the west in this region? i mean, if you had to make a prediction, which way will the central asian countries lean towards the east or towards the west? when you look about a decade ago, the central asia was a site, a region where russia, china, and united states were locked in the ju political rivalry of us maintain a military base. and the russell so maintained it, and it still does so. they were locked in this, why, really?

and as a result the, there was a lot of fun surgery to travel. so the past several months, we seen the return of this. why will it be only because of the war in the grade and western desire to kind of foot, not your central asian countries, to stay away from russia. and it's uh, russia lift structures. so we are coming under a lot of pressure for west and east solutions for our relationship with, with russia economic, financial, and political. so i think that was renewed west of interesting. the reason is primarily caused by desire to uh, isolate central asian countries from russia, and publish trusted that way and ensure that the stand countries follow west to me . both sections on russia we, they don't want central asia to become like a back your back door. so that russia could use it. so, but i think of the central asian countries,

they are in this delicate situation and they realize it. so as a result, we have seen 2 trends. the 1st tried is that of the move to create this greater central asia. so all of the stand countries, they are deepening collaboration within the region. so it was becky started cars like stop the 2 countries with larger economies and populations they are trying to spew had the central asian community actually they, they created an organization actually central asian collaboration. so there was a deeper collaboration. and the 2nd, chad is better for you to have target states. i took as president origin, regardless of the presiding goal with this idea of close a turkey collaboration is. and is this uh, this tricky organization. actually they created an organization of turkey states. uh, which is primarily dealing with cultural and economic issues. so these are, is that they will become a stronger alliance that will manage to withstand west the chinese and russian

influences. but both of these 2 ideas, grand ideas, the floor, the 1st floor of the central asian, great, a central asian union. the smaller countries looked at each doctor to stop. and uh, okay, so based on the little light chaslek style and it was based on kind of b, b brought us to them. so they're quietly trying to sabotage this union. and in terms of turkey, the union, the for total target states will, uh, turkey, the distant country. and here in central asia, we don't you took you as a serious partner. the thing is turkey fails to invest a lot of it so well. see to central asian economies, it promises and promises, but it does little to, to invest and to deepen the relations. so in some, the kind of fallback option for the central asian countries is too deep in

cooperation with russia. whether they want it or not, they are dependent on russia politically, economically. and in terms of people, there are a lot of central asians working in rushes, legal migrants. so, and so i think that we will still work closely with russia and china. right. so the seo, the shanghai cooperation organization is anchored by the powers in russia and china . how well has this group fared in maintaining security in the region? i remember the time when the low when this organization was created back in the early 19 ninety's, there was a lot of disbelief. and the irony, or like a people didn't think that this organization would take off, let alone, like, become stable. so there were concerns that were lacking resources and energy. this organization would become like another paper based structure. in the

past, the 3 days of the south cycle operation, organizations had been a tale of uh, growth and progress. so it started with 5 members, and over the years it's become like an organization that has united 8 large countries that have like the population of the 40 percent of the world's population . so 21 countries are participating in its are or working, so it has gone a lot to united originally economically. and i think that because china and russia are working closely other smaller countries, they are taking this organization very seriously. so here in central asia, we're happy is that the shop cycle owners organization helped to build stronger confidence. so we were afraid of china. honestly, we were afraid the china would be aggress towards us. but thanks to this s, your china has been the most predictable and reliable partner which helps such

leisure not only economically, but also gives us political assurances that a lot the indeed us or make us more politically dependent. so in some we rely on the sean cycle operation. we're going to issue as an important original structure that gives us a confidence that all will do well. it's a story of success. so now why, why would the span countries be worried from before that china might invade? it was 3 reasons. monday, love. the 1st one is history. china and the central asian region has been locked in these a fuse in wars or where the century. so there's actually a turkey stayed within china, suzanne with growth and almost problems that has been taken over by the chinese. so here in central asia, we have strong cultural links to that. the target speaking population,

a province in china, and we were afraid the china could do the same to us. the 2nd reason is a cultural and linguistic we do not understand chinese. you're a chinese mindset, a few speakers they've mosley chinese. but for many years we didn't know what china was and what china is thinking. we just because they're completely different civilization, we weren't afraid like what, what might happen. and that's why we're so dependent on russia for, for security support. and the search reading has to do with some unresolved regional issues. such china, catholic, stone and target started budgets done. they have borders. and there were these territorial disputes between china and the stand countries. so there were fee or the china be use this bill a $3.00 to $4.00 central asian countries to accept the borders the china decides will make sense. so, but all those fears develop materialized,

china managed to assure central asia is that it will impose a kind of state border so all the disputes will result amicably. no worse, no military conflict. and so as a result of the confidence in china and support for collaboration with china, his goal and all of the central leasing capitals. alice are coming off geo political analyst consultant with the world bank and you one thank you so much for your analysis. all right, so as you can see, the stance proximity to the countries deemed adversaries to the us might actually make this location too hard to resist. at least some american influence, though the us is rolling out a new plan for the region. the state department is quite willing to put their money where their mouths are just yet, but for the stands, it's safer to keep the door open for their neighbors who have

a vested interest in what happens to their shared neighborhood. that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thanks for tuning and we'll see you again next time to figure out the m o, the sooner the same rom. just don't have to shave. how's the constant after care and engagement equals the trails when so many find themselves will

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a head plus plenty more at this and use our on our, to the, the, from us go to the world. this is art secret. how do you with us? indeed, for the news, our to our top story, this thursday. a circular for off arrives in south africa to attend a meeting of bricks. foreign ministers, local authorities say they are considering a change in the law in order to protect guess expected that the organization summit in august not not would include fronting immunity to russian president vladimir put the international criminal court has issued on the arrest warrant against a ball the pretoria has criticized for itself in june will be submitting the law in parliament, which will lay out the exemption of court to arrest and who not to arrest. we never thought that the i see that we have to date will be what it is. they never indicted

tony blair. they never indicted george w bush for the killings of iraqi people. mandela would have said that the quality, the inconsistency by the seat is a problem. for more or less across large archie correspondents, around the boy to who's following the russian foreign ministers tour of eastern southern african morning to york santa. yeah. take us through then walks behind these proposed law amendments that as well. and you, ma'am, good morning, from cape town, this is famously a place where the atlantic and indian ocean means. then before i take you through all these complications of the south african politics involving the attendance on, not the attendance of blogging, their approach, and letting me just briefly explain the significance of, of this meeting in particular because it's pretty symbolic. this time around the brings not only the founding brakes, members, brazil, russia, india, china,

and south africa, but also a large host of countries around 15 of them that are described as the, the friends of breaks. and d, here is to essentially the meeting of the global south and the global east, partially of the global ne, we take russia as an order to discuss how they won the leaving these brand new emerging world. now they think that south africa, people for its presidency that we've lost throughout the year of 2023, is a breaks and africa partnership for mutually accelerated growth, sustainable development that inclusive multiculturalism. and this last race inclusive multilateralism is particularly important because if you look at the you in charts or if you are to believe that you're in charge hired, we are all living in multilateral world where all countries are equal and worthy of degrees you're worthy of respect. worthy of the, you know, direct negotiations and you know,

attention to that developmental issues and security. but as you know, reality is far from that. the world has been separated previously, but there was separated previously between the 2 ideological blocks during the cold war. but now it's under the, under the root of the so called western dominance uh, and the problem for, and the windshield where that the problem is around that for many developing countries is not political. it, it's how to run on the, on the government, the government, and how to run and provide the services to the people. a lot of countries. and this is one of the reasons why so many have been invited this time around, found themselves in the place of hostages when they are being frustrated by the west to adopt sanctions against russia and increasingly, so i'm against china against iran, against the number of african countries which humpers the ability to do trade to

make leaving to provide, as i said, services for that people and they're going to be focusing on discussing various means or how to lessen the pressure or to circumvent uh those obstacles. for example, the president of brazil, lou or the silver has suggested inventing a new mechanism of by the actual trade that would shield um the countries that are participating in that from visible to units of economy. and this is interesting, you know, after talking you before decades about free and fair economy, global economy, a lot of countries and now concerned about punitive economy, that is the use of financial and economic instruments for geo political purposes by one or a group of countries. now, um, some other ways of or avoiding that frustrated include dealing and by electro currencies. and this is something that, for example, saudi arabia and china are leading the way in there also

various barges skita schemes that are being studied. but all in all, uh, many of those issues will be on the agenda today. now there is also a very pressing political issue, as you mentioned in your introduction, that is the participation of lighting they put in in the litters break summit, which is going to take place in south africa in august. and russia obviously attaches a little of attention uh to uh, you know, for a very substantive active participation in the group. but whether or not like a member who will be present here physically. it's still an open question. here's what he's spokes person have to say on the topic. rush that attributes great importance to the development of this integrated format and will take part in the summit at the appropriate level. as a bare minimum,

we're counting on partner countries within such an important format, not to be guided by such a legal decisions. now uh, one of the things that's a deal of role uh, stressed uh as he was during uh, across africa in the preparation for this son. and then this is, i have to say the 4th step on his door. he said that the restaurant wants to be a productive member of both brakes and the international community and what it's interested in our practical results. it does not want to create problems for its partners. it doesn't know what to put any pressure on. let's say south africa, the close of the summit or any other countries for not dealing with, let's say, the west or your brain. this is not the way to rush to operate. so moscow will consider all the options carefully and came up with its own solution to on the 1st hand uh the president, make its own impact on the discussions, but also not to turn it into

a jewel political spectacle. this is the last thing that russia wants. it's actually interested in the practical premier like can nomic and trade benefits. that's them from if corporations with the brakes countries and now increasingly so with a larger world i've certainly, thanks very much for taking us through old, off this morning from cape to an r t correspondent of down to point well, you've talked to this on pon african scholar maceo freedom, dmv, the me, saves the i. c. c has abused its position by meddling and political efforts. indeed, there is a buyer in the, in the out. it's a be used in a coordinates because the game and even the, the lowest, it's the quote. it's monday, oh, the condition is patricia to be the important thing

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