live it over totally bonds handling of the whole political situation. and so they see totally bought as a big strip was. becky started, on the other hand, is actually championing dialogue with a tale. but they think that the total of all of people who they can deal with, and they're actually trying to make sure that the international community collaborates with the totally box so that the federal was banks are locked in this a dispute or how to view the totally bar and the other central asian countries, they don't know which side to take. and at the level of ordinary people, the fuse that the tale bought. take over and the development in power will cost significant roof. for example, a militancy is allow me to build through zillow central, asians can travel to totally bone and joint various sections. they're, they're also a fuse of truck trafficking, of dennis on has long been a source of or cheap trucks to the central asian region as those drugs move from central asia to other parts of the world. so older people are,

are scared above the tale bar. recently the us state department announced a new program called the economic resilience initiative in central asia or ellison as they're calling it, where the u. s. has pledged $20000000.00 us dollars in fiscal year 2023 to what they say. expand trade routes and shipping capacity, enhanced infrastructure along the trans caspian sea route and bolster the private sector by facilitating the movement of western multinational companies to central asia. so a number of things that they're claiming here our share that's kind of hard to do for just 20000000 bucks. but at the very end of this press release, the state department names usa, i. d, as the top agency for implementing this initiative, usa id is well known for being a front for c. i. a operations. not long ago,

there was unrest in conflicts down you and i discussed this before. and it's believed to have been fomented by outside forces. does this announcement by the us state department actually worry you? on monday low, $20000000.00 us dollars is in significant amount compared to billions of dollars that central asian countries received from china is cheap, low, any investments from russia. but every time the united states makes such announcements that causes a war in the central asian, capitals and cities. the thing is, we know that the united states is a distant country, but it has a lot of influence in world lives is like the when world big i am math. so all those of us as far away, it has a lot of for say in the how the central leasing economies are wrong. so we receive a lot of loans from the world bank and i am a. so over the years uh,

over the past several months, the united states has been quietly disappointed with the central asian countries, particularly catholics. the code is don for helping russia evade west to be both sections. so anthony, blinking, actually when he was visiting kind of expanding, he talked about this. so we are in central asia, we're a freight, we are concerned that the us may move from a just a warnings to punishment. so if the us a pressures international organizations like the. busy bank and others to suspend loans. our economies will bleed. so there are no worries here how the us will move . so as far we have managed to keep us as an important life. but us patients may also try out. so we are concerned about this jew political rivalry. so there are definitely she is. yeah, relatively speaking, $20000000.00 us dollars is really just

a drop in the bucket for the us budget. all right, coming up next. dance with the devil. you know, in the east for putting your face in prior unfulfilled promises made by foreigners in the west. we'll discuss it when we return with our expert guest. sit tight, the m o will be right back. the, the we are in saint petersburg, the capital of washing ballet, preserving the plastic card and the touring model into the mix. the city continues to define culture, the

welcome back to the m. o i manila chance for some the idea of a new relationship is exciting full of fresh possibilities. the unknown unknowns to borrow from the late former sect, death and donald rumsfeld. but for a country, the unknown unknowns can have deadly consequences from generations to follow. is that why the stands are preferring to keep in the eastern orbit? the allies are coming off. geo political analyst is still with us to discuss. so our share, the russian special military operation and ukraine has actually driven russia and china into closer alliance. given that the stan countries were part of the old silk road and will take part in the new belgian road initiative. the stan countries are revived as both a strategic geo political location as well as just prime real estate for trade. so

in total, the region both about a $170000000.00 people and a group gdp of about 3 trillion us dollars. will this provide court or be able to resist western influence or ensure that actually uh, this revived corridor is not only helping to resist the western pressure or on russia and china. it is actually serving as a lifeline for trade. and as well as for support for the original economies, in fact that this chord, or he's already like serving as a transport food for, for really critical goods and supplies from china through central asia to russia and other parts of the razor. so uh, definitely central asian countries are taking sheets for being part of this trade

route from the western countries. and but this trade route, this, the lifeline is also crucial for our economies. without it, we are going to bleed. so we are now stuck. we are trying to figure it out how we could avoid like be a kind of pressure, but at the same time, we want to continue this collaboration. this trade with the thing is a china is willing to finance this up a new railroad from china all the way from suit. curtis thought was becky stone into finished on own words. so this important courted or is something that a lot of people here are trade will work because uh, that would mean that the lot of good from china will be coming to central asia at a cheap cost. so in some this trade route is a lifeline, not only for russia and china, but also for us originally, economies, and ordinary people. now for those not too familiar with the stands,

can you summarize the political situation in that region? is it fairly stable? is it saves money a little over the past 30 or 4 years since the stan countries became independent. they have gone through a very tumultuous period. 3 issues have called tomorrow in the region. the 1st one was how to divide political power among various political factions that formed this issue has cost $3.00 revolutions incurred to stock, an uprising, even the catholic stone, as well as it is becky stone, and is still dividing the leads issue, how to transfer power peaceful the 2nd issue is that of how to do wide wells economic, uh, uh, kind of the quality. so there has been this trend where, where some people became richer and richer,

and others became poor. so there is this divide between the wealthy and those were poor. so this economic divide has also been causing a lot of uncertainties add 2 more protests in all of the region. the sort of issue is that of state border. so just under 30 stop went to a war last year. oh unders. busy of state borders was becky center. trudy start also had some issues. so this issue is causing a lot of anxiety of ordinary people and definitely with a touch of triggers, more has become a frozen conflict. and if to interrupt any point, one of the lessons from the past 40 years of independence is that the countries that were willing to go undergo deeper reforms, they were the most unstable. and those ones which preserve the soviet era controls over society, the economy. they managed to stay afloat and stable. i'm talking about took

ameristock. there's north korea styles, country that was, that country has not reformed much. it has no open to the outside world. and as a result, it you made surprisingly stable. whereas curtis dog, the small country a mountain, this one, it has experienced a lot of turmoil, 3 of ocean's water uprisings, because it was the one that was willing to reform deeply. it received a lot of support from international community. we're on the wall back and as a result it's 8 into the alta will cause a lot of uncertainties as well as a discard in the country and instability. why do you think there is renewed interest by the west in this region? i mean, if you had to make a prediction, which way will the central asian countries lean towards the east or towards the west? monday look about a decade ago. the central asia was a site,

a region where russia, china, and united states were locked into jew political rivalry, us maintain the military base and the russell's and maintained it. and it still does so. they were locked in this, why, really? and as a result, that there was a lot of fun searching to tremble. so would have passed a several months. we seen the return of this level. it mainly because of the war in the grade and western desire to kind of foot not central asian countries to stay away from russia. and it's russia let structures. so we are coming under a lot of pressure for west and east solutions for our relationship with, with russia economic, financial, and political. so i think that was renewed west and interesting. the reason is primarily caused by desire to uh, isolate central asian countries from russia and publish trusted that way and ensure

that the stan countries follow west and the both sections on russia we, they don't want central asia to become like a backyard back door. so that russia could use it. so, but i think of the central asian countries, they are in this delicate situation and they realize it. so as a result, we have few trends. the 1st try it is that of the move to create this great or central asia. so all of the stand countries, they are deepening collaboration within the region. so it was based on a cosmic style. the 2 countries with larger economies of populations they are trying to spew had the central asian community actually they, they created a new organization, actually, central asian collaboration. so there was deeper collaboration. and the 2nd strategies better for you to have target states. i took as president origin, regardless of the presiding goal with this idea of close of turkey collaboration is

and is this uh, this tricky organization. actually they created an organizational turkey states uh, which is primarily dealing with cultural and economic issues. so those are, is that they will become a stronger alliance that will manage to withstand west the chinese and russian influences. but both of these 2 ideas, grand ideas, the floor, the 1st floor of the central asian great is central asian union. the smaller countries looked at each doctor just thought, and uh, okay, so based on the little light chaslek style and it was based on kind of b, b brought us to them. so they're quietly trying to sabotage this union. and in terms of turkey, the union, the for total target states, we'll talk, he's a distant country, and here essentially we don't, you turkey as a furious partner. the thing is turkey fails to invest a lot of it. so we'll see to central asian economies. it promises and promises,

but it does little to, to invest them to deepen the relations. so in some that kind of fallback option for the central asian countries is to deepen collaboration with russia. whether they want it or not. they are dependent on russia politically, economically, and in terms of people, there are a lot of central asians warranty and russians, legal migrants, so in, so i think that we will still work closely with russia and china. right. so the seo, the shanghai cooperation organization is anchored by the powers in russia and china . how well has this group fared in maintaining security in the region? i remember the time when you, when this organization was created, back in the early 99 is there was a lot of disbelief and irony, or like a people didn't think that this organization would take off, let alone,

like, become stable. so there were concerns that were lacking resources and energy. this organization would become like another paper based structure. in the past, the 3 days of the south cycle operation, organizations had been a tale of uh, growth and progress. so it started with 5 members, and over the years it's become like an organization that has united 8 large countries that have like the population of the 40 percent of the world's population . so 21 countries are participating in it's a or working so it has gone a lot to unite the originally comically. and i think that because china and russia are working closely other smaller countries, they are taking this organization very seriously. so here in central asia,

we're happy is that the shop cycle owners organization helped to build stronger confidence. so we were afraid of china. honestly, we were afraid the china would be aggress towards us. but thanks to this s, your china has been the most predictable and reliable partner which helps such leisure not only economically, but also gives us political assurances that a lot the indeed us or make us more political dependent. so in some we rely on the sean cycle operation. we're going to issue as an important original structure that gives us a confidence that all will do well. it's a story of success. so now why, why would the stan countries be worried from before that china might invade? that was 3 reasons. monday, love. the 1st one is history. china and the central asian region has been locked in these a fuse in wars over the essentially. so there's actually

a turkey gus stayed within china, seems that we grew up and almost problems that has been taken over by the chinese. so few, essentially, asian. we have strong cultural links to that. the topic speaking population, a province in china, and we were afraid the china could do the same to us. the 2nd reason is a cultural and linguistic we do not understand chinese, you're a chinese mindset, a few speakers. they've mazda, chinese, but for many years we didn't know what china was and what china is thinking. we just because they're completely different civilization, we weren't afraid like what, what might happen. and that's why we're so dependent on russia for, for security support. and the search we didn't has to do with some unresolved regional issues such as china, catholic style and target started. but each time they have borders, and there were these territorial disputes between china and the stand countries. so

there were few or the china be use this bill a $3.00 to $4.00 central asian countries to accept the borders the china decides, will make sense. so, but all those few years developed materialized, china managed to assure central asia is that it will not impose a kind of state border so all the disputes will result amicably. no worse, no military conflict. and so as a result of the confidence in china and support for collaboration with china has grown it all of the central asian capitals. alice are coming off geo political analyst consultant with the world bank and you one thank you so much for your analysis. all right, so as you can see, the stance proximity to the countries, dean adversaries, to the us might actually make this location too hard to resist, at least some american influence. so the us is rolling out

a new plan for the region. the state department isn't quite willing to put their money where their mouths are just yet, but for the stands, it's safer to keep the door open for their neighbors who have a vested interest in what happens to their shared neighborhood. that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host, me know, a chance. thanks for tuning and we'll see you again. next time to figure out the m . o. the, [000:00:00;00]

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it's complete the other way around the very room a welcome to you from the entire object international new c, and we're coming to you live from last year. let's take a look at the top. so is this all the russian and defense ministry says a group of the for any minutes says attempting a terrorist attack of been pushed back from the bush. and he played a buddha as a tried to cross into the belgrade region a visual st. more than 30 minutes and so being killed by russian forces. so i know the system, ukraine in service formations consisting of 2 motorized, infantry companies, reinforced with tangs attempted to invade the area of nova tunnels drunk. and the should back in the international automobile check point. the enemy suffered significant losses and was driven back. violations of the state border were prevented. it is very close to the board. it just may be over a dozen of kilometers away from the border line. and of course the ukrainian has

multiple launch walk in systems. they can easily reach this town and so well it has been very, very fall into people's homes and the objects of energy infrastructure have been had civilians have been well wounded and killed over the attacks that have been carried out by the ukrainian forces. it's rout deposit days. right now, the civilians are evacuating some they go to live with their relatives, but those for whom it is simply not an option. well, they can find shelter in the temporary relocation camps to set out by the authorities. now this is the town of cubic in itself. it has been closed up. nobody can come in, only people can go out and evacuate. nobody is allowed in there. and so this is basically, it is turning into a bit of a war. so this town and but out at the same time, the crate in military, they are trying to bridge the russian food to that they aren't using, judging by the reports that are coming from the location they aren't using that

much force and it doesn't look like a full out so well, invasion a but they are using is still a submitted bullet face to, to trying to bridge the boat that using several motorized units and personnel. so far, according to the russian ministry of defense was such attempts have been voted. they have not been able to breach the russia ukraine border and so far from what, based on what we've heard from the russian defense ministry, the russian soldiers, val, the board of a off standing is strong. but what is really concerning is that the ukrainian forces they are showing sleepy civilian towns and villages all across the board. and there's no military infrastructure that they are showing against civilian homes . they are showing civilian infrastructure, they are showing energy infrastructure as well in total, more than 30 people have already died during the entire course of this ukraine's

campaign against this part of russia. this is according to the governor of the region, the process for mess the site here as well as in cape town and he's meet with his indian, south african. and so the kinds of us the thoughtful health i made at the meeting of the brits for mrs. receiving the summit of the group scheduled for oldest, se in the organization is coming together and it expanded full months for the 1st time. i moved pretty easy to find. most of these corresponded old son of blanco, hyattsville details. the brakes members are trying to achieve to of size new, then use to find new patterns, ways of trading with one another and to show themselves from the so called community the economy, the use of global economy by one particular central group of countries and a lot of discussions of focus on that today,

you know how to teach trading with one another. how to senior jive side development without being penalized for that. mutual calibration, something that number of westland countries wants to do with regards to not only russia, but also a china of and israel rom and a number of african countries. now, i also had a chance to secure russia's deputy for a minute system. beautiful. russia is a very active in the and those discussions and believes that at least for most of the main criteria, is whether or not the prospective a brick members are applying unilateral sanctions against other members of international community. russia believe that the only thing that illegal are those that have passed by the united nations or, and it wants to make sure that the reason for the show. so adopt a big price here. here's exactly what's to get it. all the rest of the deputy

foreign minister has found that dots. we welcome these and he says the whole south african cheshire invited a great number of important team flash whole countries to the media to meeting we invest into breaks holes, police go, we will, and practical origin. this to be there where things happen. i'm sure you know there is quite a political controversy associated with it when it comes to your liking and putting brushing presents attending this meeting because, or earlier this year, the international criminal 4th shoot, an arrest warrant for his arrest. while the russian hill signature is to the i see the south africa is and there's why the culture risk. now a debate within this country, what should be done uh, in relation to that here's exactly what one of the south african official had to say on the subject. in june, we will be submitting a lower in parliament which will lay out exemptions of who to arrest and who not

through arrest. we never sold that. the i. c. c that we have today will be what it is. they never indicted tony blair. they never indicted george w bush for the killings of a rocky people. never would have said that the an equality, the inconsistency by the i. c. c is a problem. south africa actually has a precedent of uh, define the i see the rules. i think it was back in 2015 when it was when i refuse to the teen former student leader or omar bashir was attending a conference here in indiana support in 2015 and was allowed to do so without any so if you're in bed of what is going to have a piece of precious attendance, somebody, me a because attendance is still to be decided not only on the south african side, but also the russian side. russia may made it clear that's what's important for it

is to make sure that breaks meetings. i'm not trying to ensure your political down though russia values the practical sort of, uh, results oriented format of this book being and there are many other forms i in which why the improvements would join the, the discussions, for example, people join a line because sand, his prime minister, so all of those issues are still being considered and most of the decision is you have to take them. so i've advocate an official, i know a single out and says one of references, main goals as vince at thomasville, in the world or to to make it inclusive. i'm fat. the cuttings multilateral all content just is outdated. it was formulated in 1945. it's so for this purpose, the world was vastly, vastly different, less than 50 african countries way independence over in states at the time of the funding of the un. what brits is being check pinning since it's funding that we need a reformed funds for multi lecture system one that speaks to the current challenges

facing and one that is inclusive and that it is fair and just and does not marginalize the majority of the builder population and the majority of the building, the south field steps, all institutions needs the phone and that their voice is also equally hon. within this context, a large number of countries have a great deal of faith and confidence in the brakes. and what we are spending for, and what we hope to achieve in terms of addressing the major part of the deal to come from. and i'll make from the financial firm. and it's important that foreign minister on so and it's not just one find to lead us because foreign ministers are the ones who on a daily basis to address these global issues and advise the meetings. so we believe that this part of the meeting, the extended meeting tomorrow is the nintendo bucket and have any fucking fucking