use, you know, to create an image for the african or i shot these bad for the one that the big pro . how get them set of this of the, i kind of democrat in that the human right. you know, every african mission the out of end of the asia. now the understand how is this for romantic for this you model, right? in the democracy is an agenda to execute the west and the policy in the other countries north by itself. but the width is using this idea in the end, you know, execute their data or a policy, their interest is and the degree into the field in the other country. so go to court from the shop. you know, tell me, i mean with the communities that i have independent or div spot in prison or where you when police are 100 percent, we build up the big different like british i'm

a do. oh wow. i'm a big of what all conflicts, independence. so that is why we work on this initiative, and that's her up for now and coming up while break started as a wall street gimmick. today, the organization both popularity with many of the global south wanting to joint, mainly in an effort to be freed from western head, germany, the discussion next on cross off. take on the the hello and welcome to the cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter level, the idea of brick started out as a wall street investment gimmick, focusing on developing nations today. this is the organization many in the global

south, one to be part of the reason is simple to avoid and finally be freed from western the gemini, the processing bricks and the global south. i'm joined by my guess as i knew now. and this symbol is a professor at the department of political science and international relations at mount tip university. in town, we have for ford is avi. he is an associate professor at the department of world studies at the university of to then and in kyra, we cross to your hand l shake. she is a professor of political science at cairo university. all right, across our girls in effect, that means you can jump in any time you want the, and i always appreciate, let's go to assemble. i in my introduction, and i said that a centrally would be the mission of the brakes is now maybe not back then in 2001, when it was invented by goldman sachs was now this is a strategy for the global south to free itself from a western had germany,

do you think that is a good synopsis of what we are, where we are right now with bricks? oh, certainly yes. i think um, this is one of the things that the multiply to as a and the offer today at global solve a global uh, you know, uh all the, all the nations into world, basically and at it at 2 remarks on need to tear. perhaps we need to make 2 remarks and one is that as the war broke out and you creating a, the approach of the west, the ato going to approach of the west, i should say. and basically pushed many of these countries to search for ways to get together in solid dotted one way or do either because the western approach was something like this. you know, you are either with us or you are against task. and what about neutrality? you know, where all the menu of the countries in the world would like to benefit from the

emerging mutual politics. so why not uh, why not basically getting on with that. and why should we become a pothole? take a collect at west end and join onto russian sanctions and what have you, i think and there's played an important role in doubt. you treat all day and the many countries. and the other thing um, is that the, the west started out with a shrewd propaganda about russia. uh, was coming down to eats news in, not so long. eh, you know, you know, being in future. and it's going to be, it's not going to take long photoshop to basically, um, uh, we give up the water and all that. so the non we came out true. and these basically and cottage menu of the nation's menu of the states across the world to come

together. first of all, if you come together, then you are getting a better position to protect your interest and, and also protect yourself from that. or i have to old the west. well yeah, that's exactly. yeah. that's what we've seen with the sanctions here. okay. first of all, the primary sanctions on russia and then they sides like in secondary sanctions against everybody else. it gives us, let's go to our gibson instead. um, i mean, it's very interesting. i'm glad that helps out and brought this up because the conflict a new crane is made. people look even more closely ad breaks as an alternative to the, to the rules based order, whatever that means i have never been able to understand that outside of the west makes the rules and everybody else follows their orders. okay. the bricks and other international far uh for our an alternative and its desperately needed. go ahead and put on as you know, in that that i haven't been experiencing board to the fest have sanctions. and so you can hand sanctions for the last 4 the years. and the fact that the,

you know, i'm in, people have been able to sort of live address is the fact that the actually eat on is becoming a strong guess. under sanctions, it shows that it's possible to this, to this, then his human, the, remember using data on that all quantity is i've done it on the data depends eh, revolution in 1979 have been withdrawn or less than some parts of the government ever. some actually is going to not buying armstrong. you don't ask the soviet union at that time. therefore, on the soviet union, the fuse it'd be 9 odds and after the 30 some years and it's supporting the rest and media that russia is the buying arms from utah. so there be and then you're on the for the, the, based on what, what the centers are reporting is actually providing that are so it is possible to

do this. it is possible to go through was that, is it possible to basically have a country that is able to achieve its goals? the experience thing, fixed s and the 2nd time and the sanctions, you know, the united states is why they think that to you on the solution. punishments are the ones that was the nuclear div. that's only why they didn't get that stuck in the country that wants to follow that the, like have a normal trading relations, which here are the us sanctions, those countries. well, it's interesting that you mentioned that trade. i mean, it sounds on the face of a really but now, but if you can trade freely and for yourself of the dollar you true, we have the past, the ability to pursue your own prosperity. because when you're in western financial institutions, they will dictate your relative success. what could they do? we are a nominal

u friendly country like turkey and its currency. let's go to our guests in cairo. you know, it's interesting, you know, when i, i've been actually to bricks advance, you know, many, many years ago. and i wasn't really kind of sure if it was gonna go anywhere. because does it have any ideology, a lot of the countries that have contradictions when it comes to how they approach the west and there's, it's not uniform whatsoever. but now i see that it really has a, an important role to play. because every time the g 7 gets together, i keep thinking to myself. but g seven's voice gets smaller and smaller and smaller, but they still control a lot of the institutions. and that's the problem. go ahead and kyra to i think a decision most of the menu executed ability as well as a menu of we serve institutions like ion math of the water bag that could have the ability to hold those institutions and the sort of be on that as now what it said a lot, because we are more on the more with us ties institution the are look,

hoping a piece of the saw has the know how it, from those institution that conditionality imposed by all you may have uh, world bank is very hard for, for all the economists and in the south, and actually it doesn't give any help to the tool to austin in the south. vice versa, the we are now suffering from the government troubles beds and the legal stability, legal stability actually economically. i think old old style now looking forward to the future, to more problems, more justice and the economic older. and that's the tricks introduce the future end of the product since the product enough show. and the i'm not talking about imposing is sort of just more of the developments or economic

growth, a view to speak to and it's specific to open a new country. and every country, by the same time, we are building very hub for calibration on about 12 respect match, well eh, benefits and interests. and that's help all a lot. so that's why many countries in the south, including egypt now looking to tool trace and winning greeley to be part of that's cool because it is very hard for even a bank of praise and introducing roland assistance. but look, and the defense piece is the functionality of, well i am the ed importantly, as i pointed out, to not do it in dollars because when you do it in dollars, you become a hostage here. let's go back to as simple as one of the interesting things is a very interesting literature on it as of the world beyond the west. and that was

very fear, radical even like, 10 years ago. now it's becoming a reality because this is the brakes. the phenomenon is not in a front, it's not an or frontal attack on the west, or just say we're going to go our own way. we're good to go a different way and we, we just don't want to have anything to do with your institutions. we what we can do in a better way and, and probably more transparent way and without the head gemini, that the west is presented the world to the last 500 years. go ahead and assemble. well, i think again, as you put that and then we are at the initial stages or multiply to and yet these going to be several stages of multiple out. i'd say, i would think. and at this stage where all the nations of the world, apart from the collective west are concentrating on getting a, getting free and from the west and worlds dictation and from dental words. and there's going to be an, a lots of pretty outlined. but, you know, at the regional level, some would be the universe of i'm and eh,

these re align months will basically offer lots of opportunities for all the countries. um, because the free your day off from the west and dictation, the more opportunities they will require from various jo, political conditions as well as trading opportunities and what have you and this is what is i thing happening and this is what the connected west is trying to prevent and that is why the nations across, through, for across the globe are sort. i mean, as you said, 10 years ago, no one would ever predict that to multiply that would be offering so much to so many i've been use for all the states to basically get to, to, to steer clear at better line or policy for themselves to protect data interests from the west. i'm a but now we are having all of that and i think this is going to develop into

something more important with brakes. and what have you indicated on the brakes? i would say that it may be time for members of the brakes to change its name to something proper. you know, because it can, you cannot just, you know, carry on adding one letter. yeah. okay, well, j, which it will be right? so just it will be very difficult to say because we don't have enough bottles in there. no one will be able to say exactly are i have to jump in here? i, i said yes. okay, and i will, i'll have to jump in here. we are not alone, so we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on breaks in the global south space with auntie. the

hungary has been a member of the european union and nato since 1999. during the 1st post, so good wave of nato's eastwood expansion number of the status cuz of history me logo site is delaying my productivity. i see like that. uh by now. uh, as a country its a, this is so me that me at if so we get back. i saw zap, i did do my i just bought the pre show the name. yeah. it's the lawyers, not beach, but i see, but i see us play. that's virtually some of which is totally in the early ninety's hungry was a country with a west view of russia to day star of disagreements left over from the soviet union

. and the why it was, why didn't you some of your somebody i don't want to see if you've heard of you, but somebody in the compare the police report more than those. what i see is great . and i did as a, it's a police degree, though as much for the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher mind. you were discussing bricks and the global self. the . okay, me before we go to our guest into the side like cut you off because we had to go to a break. what would your the new name would be? i didn't hear it. what would you call it? wall on i, i would propose the united 12 because eh, punches are getting united against west and had germany on the one hand and they are united for data. uh, and prosperity. okay, so i think there's a,

let's go back to town right now. what you said somebody in your 1st answer here, a talking about the sanctions against them. i might surprise you considering the suffering that around this had to go through for the last 40 years. but i actually do not want western sanctions to be dropped against russia. i want a clean cut from those institutions. ok? because they are the only the only time you're actually going to be free. you can be semi free, you have to make a cuts. it can be painful. an era is a very important example to learn from the study from because from what i understand, it's essentially self sufficient. that's something that a lot of countries like when you're self sufficient, you're in a good trading position. go ahead and cut out you know, for a number of decades that will experience a new color on the other side. you know, doing the colonial video. so the british many channels, but the have a general about running your country to us. the balloon, you know, there's, i'm,

there's some of the countries in the south gain independence. but david, controlled by office, govern government, select the shows government and you know, all the payments that led by people to look like your audience. but there is the following. or there's funds of us in the new york colonialism era. the idea was to put the rules and regulations and institutions that the all countries have to photo no matter who was running the country. so you could have as of allusion that the government to meet on that was supposed to follow those rules the same way the charlotte government was supposed to be funded. so the good news about the brakes and get on his smoking to be able to join the brakes and you don't have to change the name because those are the i the basically the point would be, have been, you have come to think institutions you have had

a set top see, you know, what was the difficulty that you don't have time in the past was that this? let's take stuff at this banking messaging system. swift and, and then now these directions are building their own safety systems, the chinese, cuz i think they're on system breaks is having, as some of the idea of, and uh, you know, the dollars as a show that you're talking about for many years is actually happening you know, in a restaurant trading and much more aggressive a more much more broad today than what you have just a few years ago. and so we are seeing ourselves from the new colonialism period. and that's good news. and it said that we are able to survive even how can i say that you understand it? so yeah, let's go, let's go to cairo. know, what's very interesting to me is a new new look at the a foreign policy guru. he, you, joseph burrell. i mean,

he's kind of an embarrassment for the europeans. every time he opens his mouth, you know, about the garden and the jungle. apparently you're in the jungle. okay. apparently i live in the jungle too. and it really is, it really is reflective of a certain mindset. now roll space daughter and all of this kind of garbage to the west puts out. it's really a cover for a new form of neo colonialism. and i don't even think they're aware of it. it's a, it's a habit of mind that they're not even aware of, and they can't break free of. and it's taking, it's taking the global south, the global majority to tell the west we no longer have to live this way because we're not afraid of you. and we don't respect to you anymore. go ahead and cairo a 1st of all, let me comment on the name. uh, i think the name is it is a valid because breaks as being a also to break

a member they can wisdom hit your money and not bite the fittest later on. but the members stayed above the meaning of pay itself or praise itself. this is very important to continue with the best we are taking the old, the, the american rules of hedge your money over the homework for what do you mention? i think that's your, of, as well as a united states and the don't to say the, so the look to the saw. it was to africa to a lot of countries with them. i use the everywhere as just as sold a full band development the so the, the, from my point of view, the, the, the kid a lot about our development dollar prosperity, our, the don't really willing to help off the wall to us, to, to continue our slaves to buy a way or another to sell them develop into, to serve their economy a and the security. and this is, i think,

very dangerous because, so now i cannot accept, does any more. and any country you, that's the global solid needs the government on, on the basis of much one of these big match. what benefit when, when situation, that's why takes the is very attractive because this is what the, the are building on calibration on win win situation. a was a big hole in it does the bottom together as this, there is no way that's a global countries or one country will be developed and the other will continue in poverty as in a very bad situation. and you have to do better to give the and the home or going for yes or no, it would be no development as oh and i think that's a board or, or any or being a official. the usually,

as i mentioned in the don't say, salas don't just speak the even know to uh that's um a deal of weight and the m and the, the, the, the, the, you know, that's your talk at least to a whole with a get out from your brain, what after a guy a go up is only a 3 percent. the, the kid above africa, about 100 people about the food crisis in our country. the only care about themselves. we don't see either of us unless we impose to be in a spirited. i'm interested to be respected. yeah. was, i'm, you know, one of the things is that, you know, we, we've talked a lot about the need for development and bricks is a conduit for that. and it's a, it's a tire approach when, when we've heard that here already on this program here. but you know,

the chinese or old ports and schools and hospitals. but if the americans want to send a military base to your country, that's their development. okay. and that is really a very fair juxtaposition, you know, be a to you, either you or sanctioned by the west, are you by arms from the west? that's the, that's what the, how the global south is treated. go ahead and assemble as well. yes. as you put it, uh, quite clearly, you know, the optic canal officials and also reduce keep saying that each time that they have a chinese visiting day in the country is they, the, the chinese delegation would be behind the separate on the investment projection and the construction of schools and buildings and other things to where when the matter comes and the others go to the same country, they would be lecturing them on democratize ation. and i'm selling you are either with us or you are against us. you know, and, and i mean, all this is starting to come to an end, i think, as you, i think,

pointed out that my, uh, getting your presenter is getting your initial remarks. the, there's a multiple are, it is not going to be based on ideal logical divisions which is good. so that is all going to be exact appraisal, national, the interest of each and every nation is getting to basically know costa data on the interest. and that is at, once you have that done, then it would be more of now, you know, it would start to or for multi operation. it's a thing about prosperity because it is all about your national interest, you know, and it would also be a short term the much, much more just the international. uh, if you like the order. uh, as opposed to that and uh,

lowes pays internationally. yeah. i mean, it is what we have here. let's go to our guest and turn around to mean, you know who the rules based order. again, whatever that's supposed to mean. but what it's actually does substitute the un charter and his on his point. and now that countries, solver and countries make national decision, is that it's not really complicated, but the west is very much against that. and i think that the greatest strength of the present form of breaks is that it is completely non ideological. that's in strength. because the west is the ideological dominant for us right now. they were, they were, they're run by ideology. the rest of the world is saying we want pragmatism, go ahead into them. maybe disagree with us. this is across population. managed to do that. i don't think it's possible to not have an idea of it, but i the other jump right is, is going to have a number of components. the 1st component, the big spent 3 is believing as an ideology is,

is this think of as the edge of when that little thing, this culture of it is a stretch. and it's, it's not necessarily easy. it's going to require work. yeah. moving towards that multi point on, well then during this transition, fine, you're going to have difficulties to before it gets any easier. so you need to develop that culture of resistance and then russia and china and that you're on. those countries are saying no to the united states, they are basically pass practicing that are the other 2. i get a job done. this is this, this thing the best one hit junk is the 2nd component of that i. the other g is a spec thing to other people. you know, as you said, is america is going to go through the country. they want this in the minutes we base a bunch of dictates is that all this is that goes entropy. and uh,

if you have a government that's not the funding or this under assigned, they want to have it with this whole vision check. so that this is the 2nd part of that idea that you, that you respect the independence of countries calling to introduce, you know, what the united nations charter was supposed to achieve. well, so that's, and again, that's what we've run out of time. but i'm glad that we've ended on talking about the united nations charter because that's the big, that's the level playing field for everyone of us the way it should be. as all the time we have on, i think my guess, and it's been both of them and in cairo. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. see you next time. and remember, process was the, [000:00:00;00]

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