the watching vision, why is that? why in this contort, if i give but plenty of the store in this this, you should have been a short order for now, i'm not going to say last week when i scan, when i am at your desktop session. so let's just sean your just is when you buy a new one, you sit on the the, the, the the hello and welcome to the cross top. we're all things are considered. i'm peter level. the idea of brick started out as

a wall street investment gimmicks focusing on developing nations today. this is the organization many in the global south. one to be part of the reason is simple to avoid and finally be freed from western gemini, the frost talking bricks and the global south i'm joined by my guess has, i knew now in this symbol, he's a professor at the department of political science and international relations that mounts at the university inside out and we have some fraud is id. he is an associate professor at the department of world studies at the university of to then and in kyra, we cross to your hand l. shaky. she is a professor of political science at cairo university, all right, across our girls in effect, that means you can jump in any time you want the. and i always appreciate, let's go to assemble. i in my introduction, and i said that the best centrally would be the mission of the brakes is now maybe not back then in 2001, when it was invented by goldman sachs was now this is

a strategy for the global south to free itself from a western had germany. do you think that is a good synopsis of what we are where we are right now with breaks? oh, certainly yes. i think um, this is one of the things that the multiply to as page b and the offer to date. and global solve a global uh, you know, uh on the all the nations in the world basically. and it had 2 remarks on need to tear. perhaps we need to make 2 remarks. and one is that as the war broke out in view creating a, the approach of the west, the ato going to approach of the west, i should say. and basically pushed many of these countries to search for ways to get together in solid dotted one way or do either. because the western approach was something like this. you know, you are either with us or you are against us. and by the, by neutrality, you know,

all the, the menu of the countries in the world would like to benefit from the emerging new jewel politics. so why not? uh, why not basically getting on with that and is why should we become a part of the collective west and, and joining onto russian sanctions and what have you, i think, and there's played an important role in the attitude all day. and the many countries and the other thing um, is that the, the west started out with a shrewd propaganda about russia. was coming down to eats news in, not so long eh, you know, you know, being in future. and it's going to be, it's not going to take long photoshop to basically a we give up the water and all that. so that non we came out true.

and these basically and cottage, many of the nations, many of the states across the world to come together. first of all, if you come together, then you are in a better position to protect your interest and, and also protect yourself from that. or i have to old the west. well yeah, that's exactly. yeah. that's what we've seen with the sanctions here. okay. first of all, the primary sanctions on russia and then they say executive secondary sanctions against everybody else to get done. let's go to our gibson instead. um, i mean, it's very interesting, i'm glad that helps out and brought this up because the conflict in ukraine is a made people look even more closely ad breaks as an alternative to the, to the rules based order. whatever that means i have never been able to understand and outside of the west makes the rules that everybody else follows their orders. okay. the bricks and other international far uh for our, an alternative and its desperately needed. go ahead and put on as you know, in that that i haven't been experiencing good services and sanctions. and

so you can hand sanctions for the last 4 the years. and the fact that the, you know, i'm in, people have been able to sort of live address is the fact that the actually even is becoming a strongest under sanctions. it shows that it's possible to raise it is the same as human. the remember doing that, you don't at all what it is i've done it on. you don't need it depends the revolution in 1979 have been withdrawn. the rest them, some of the government ever, some actually is going to not buying armstrong. you don't ask the soviet union at that time for on spend sylvia to name the fuse. it'd be 9 nines. and after 30 some years, and it's the point of them, the rest and media that russia is the buying arms from utah. so there be around,

let me run it for the, the based on what, what the centers are reporting is actually providing that are so that it is possible to this, it is possible to go to laws that is possible to basically have a country that is able to achieve its goals that is experiencing fixed s and the 2nd time. and the sanctions, you know, the united states is why they think that to you and visit lucian funny to tell the ones that was the nuclear div. that's only why they think it's, it's up to any country that wants to follow that the, like have a normal trading relations, which here are the us sanctions, those countries. well, it's interesting that you mentioned that trade. i mean, it sounds on the face of a really but now, but if you can trade freely and for yourself of the dollar you true, we have the past, the ability to pursue your own prosperity. because when you're in western financial

institutions, they will dictate your relative success. what could they do? we are a nominally friendly country like turkey, and it's currently let's go to our guests in cairo. you know, it's interesting, you know, when i, i've been actually to bricks advance, you know, many, many years ago. and i wasn't really kind of sure if it was gonna go anywhere because does it have any idea all what g, a lot of the countries have contradictions when it comes to how they approach the west and they're, it's not uniform whatsoever. but now i see that it really has a, an important role to play because every time the g 7 gets together, i keep thinking to myself. but g seven's voice gets smaller and smaller and smaller . but they still control a lot of the institutions. and that's the problem. go ahead and kyra, and i think this isn't the most the menu it's, it could have the ability to, as well as menu of we serve institutions like ion math of the water bag that could

have the ability to hold those institutions. and the sort of bill that is now what it said a lot, because they are more on the more with a sized institution the, i'm not hoping a piece of the global so has the know how it from produce institution that conditionality imposed by all you may have a world bank is very hard for, for all the economists and in the south. and actually it doesn't give any help to a tool to austin in the south of vice versa. and we are now suffering from the government troubles beds and the legal stability is legal to stability. actually economically, i think overload solid now looking forward to the future to more problems, more justice and the economic older. and that's the traits interest use of the future. and the since the partnership and the i'm not

talking about imposing is sort of just more of the developments or economic growth. a view to speak to a specific view of any country and every country. but at the same time, we are building very hub for corporation on the match world respect match, well eh, benefits and interests. and that's the help of a lot. so that's why many countries in the south, including egypt now looking to appraise and winning, really to be part of that's cool because it is very hard for even a bank of praise and introducing roland assistance. but look in the defense piece is not the functionality of, well i am the ad. importantly, as i pointed out, to not do it in dollars because when you do it in dollars, you become

a hostage here. let's go back to as simple as one of the interesting things is the range thing literature on it is the world beyond the west. and that was very theoretical even like 10 years ago. now it's becoming a reality because it's the brakes. the phenomenon is not in a front, it's not an hour or frontal attack on the west, or just say we're going to go our own way. we're going to go a different way and we, we just don't want to have anything to do with your institutions. we what we can do in a better way and, and probably more transparent way and without the head gemini, that the west is presented, the world to the last 500 years. go ahead and assemble while i think. and as you put that, and then we are at the initial stages of multiply to and yet these going to be separate stages of multiple out. i'd say, i would think. and at this stage where all the nations of the world, apart from the collected west, concentrating on getting a is getting free and from the west and was dictation and from dental words. and

there's going to be an a lot. so pretty aligned. but, you know, at the regional level, some would be the universe of i'm and eh, these re align months will basically offer lots of opportunities for all the countries i'm at because the free year they are from the west and dictation, the more opportunities they will acquire from various jo, political conditions as well as trading opportunities and what have you and this is what is i thing happening and this is what the connected west is trying to prevent . and that is why the nations across, through, for across the globe are sort, i mean, as you said 10 years ago, no one would ever predict that to multiply that would be offering so much to so many uh, menus for all the states to basically get to to, to see it clear at better line or policy for themselves to protect data interests

from the west and a but now we are having little debt. and i think this is going to develop into something more important with brakes. and what have you indicated on the brakes? i would say that it may be time for members of the brakes to change its name to something proper. you know, because you cannot just, you know, carry on adding one letter. yeah. it will be right. so just it will be very difficult to say because we don't have enough bottles in there. no one over the open said there are i have to jump in here. i said yes. okay, and i will, i'll have to jump in here. we're not alone. so we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on bricks and the global south stake with our to the,

by the middle of the 20th century, the portuguese colonial empire was in an acute crisis. a particularly 10 situation had developed in mozambique the people of this country were put in a humiliating position, income inequality ramp, and illiteracy. this respect by the portuguese for the local traditions led to a mass unrest. in 1964, the liberation front of mozambie for a limo began its armed struggle for freedom. the regular army was not easy to resist, but the guerrillas inflicted considerable damage on the invaders through the sliders, against the colonial regime were supported by the soviet union and china. whereas the united states and great britain took the side of the invader board to gaze,

responded to the guerrillas attacks with cruel counter insurgency. however, pre limos 10 year courageous struggle was a success after the over throw the fascist regime in portugal in 1974. the new authorities surrendered a year later, lisbon fully recognized the independence of mozambie, but the victory had been gained at a high price during the war, mozambique had lost tens of thousands of his sons and daughters. the hungry has been a member of the european union of the nato since 1999 during the 1st post. so good wave of nato's eastwood expansion. none of the status cuz of this, the me log a sense is dylan. i felt that i see like that by the country. it's a e. so me that me it if so we get that actual zap i did do my i just bought the

pretty show the name. yeah. it's the lawyers now will beach, but i see, but i see us play. that's virtually some of which is probably in the early ninety's hungry was a country with the west view of russia to day star of disagreements left over from the soviet union. the why is, why didn't you some of my new or somebody, i don't want to see if even with you, of somebody in the compared to police with more than those what i see is great and i did as a, it's a police degree, was those months with the welcome back to process or all things are considered, i'm peter of about to remind you we're discussing bricks and the global self. the

okay, me before we go to our guest into the outside like cut you off because we had to go to a break. what would your the new name would be? i didn't hear it. what would you call it? wall on i, i would propose the united 12 because the punches are getting united against less than hedge on you on the one hand and they are united for data, uh, and prosperity. okay, so i think there's a, let's go back to town right now. what you, you said somebody in your 1st answer here uh, talking about the sanctions against them. i might surprise you considering the suffering that around this had to go through for the last 40 years. but i actually do not want western sanctions to be dropped against russia. i want a clean cut from those institutions. okay. because they are the only the only time you're actually going to be for, you can be semi free, you have to make a cut. it can be painful, and iran is a very important example to learn from the study from because from what i

understand, it's essentially self sufficient. that's something that a lot of countries like when you're self sufficient, you're in a good trading position. go ahead and cut out you know, for a number of decades that will experience a new color on this. you know, during the colonial video, it's the british that many channels but the have the generosity running or crunched to us the need. and there's, i'm, there's some of the countries in the south gain independence, but they've controlled by office, govern government, select the shows government. and your problem is that, that led by people to look like you. i mean is, but there is the following, or there's funds of us in the new york colonialism era. the idea was to put the rules and regulations and institutions that to all countries have to follow the no matter who was running the country. so you could have that as a lucian, a government to meet on that was supposed to follow those rules the same way. the

charlotte government was supposed to be funded for the good news about the brakes and get on his spoken to to be able to join books. and you don't have to change the name because there's already an i the basically the point would be, have been, you have come teaching institutions, you have had a set top. so, you know, when the difficulty that you don't have to have in the past was that the 1st check stuff at this banking messaging system. swift and, and then now these, the russians are building their own safety systems, the chinese, cuz i think they're also a system. briggs is having, as some of the idea of and uh, you know, the dollar it as a show that we talking about for many years is actually happening. you know, in an restaurant trading. i'm much more aggressive a much,

much more broadway than what you have just a few years ago. and so we are seeing ourselves from the new colonialism period. and that's good news and it's able to be able to survive even how can i say that you understand it. so? yeah, it's got, it's got a chiral. know what's very interesting to me is a new new look at the a foreign policy guru of he you, joseph burrell. i mean, he's kind of an embarrassment for the europeans. every time he opens his mouth, you know, about the garden and the jungle. apparently you're in the jungle. okay. apparently i live in the jungle too. and it really is, it really is reflective of a certain mindset. now rules space daughter and all of this kind of garbage that the west puts out. it's really a cover for a new form of neo colonialism. and i don't even think they're aware of it. it's a, it's a habit of mind that they're not even aware of, and they can't break free of it. it's gonna taking, it's taking the global south,

the global majority, the tell the west, we no longer have to live this way because we're not afraid of you and we don't respect you anymore. go ahead and cairo a 1st of all, let me comment on the name. uh, i take it. the name is it is, is that a valid because breaks and being a also to break a limited can wisdom, hit jermanti and not bite the fittest. mentors of the members state, but the meaning overpay itself or praise itself. and this is very important to continue with that. we are taking the old, the, the american rules of hedge you money over the homework for what you mention. i think that's your, of, as well as a lot of these, these, the vault to see the so the look to the so i was to africa to a lot of countries msm. i used to everywhere as just as sold

a full band development. so the, uh, the uh, from my point of view of the, uh, the, the kid a lot about our development, our prosperity, our, the don't really willing to help us. they won't allow us to, to continue as slaves to buy a way or another to sell them, develop into, to serve their economy and their prosperity. this is, i think, very dangerous because, so now i cannot accept any more. and any country you, that's the global solid needs the, the government on, on the basis of much one of the specs match what benefit when, when situation, that's why he pays to is very attractive because this is what they are building on calibration, on win win situation or what the colon and it does the bundle together as it is, there is no way that the global countries or one country wouldn't be the other. was

a continue in poverty and in a very bad situation. and he's up to the bottom to give that and the home or the going for him or not would be no development as oh. and i think that's a board or any or pin a official. the usually, as i mentioned in the, don't say solace. don't just speak to even know to uh that's um a deal of uh, weight and the m and the, the did the do you know, that's your talk at least to a whole with a get out from your brain. what after a guy a go up is only a 3 percent. the the kid above africa, about 100 people about the food crisis in our country. the only care about themselves. we don't see other others unless we impose to be able to

speak to them. are interested to be respected. yeah, well that's fine. you know, one of the things is that, you know, we, we've talked a lot about the need for development and in bricks is a conduit for that. and it's a, it's a tire approach when, when we've heard that here already on this program here. but, you know, the chinese old old ports in schools and hospitals. but the americans want to send a military base to your country. that's their development. okay. and that is really a very fire juxtaposition, you know, be a, you know, either your sanctioned by the west or you by arms from the west. that's the, that's what the, how the global south is treated. go ahead and assemble as well. yes. as you put it uh, quite clearly, you know, they operate canal officials and also reduce keep saying that each time that they have a chinese visiting day in the country is they the, the chinese delegation would be behind the. ready separate on the investment

projects and the construction of schools and buildings and other things to where when the matter comes and the others go to the same country, they would be lecturing them on democratize ation. and i'm sending you an idea. we'd also, if you are against us, you know, and then i might, i mean, all this is starting to come to an end. i think, as you, i think, pointed out that my, uh, getting your presenter is getting your initial remarks. the, this multiplier. it is not going to be based on ideal logic of dimensions, which is good. so that is all going to be exact appraisal national, the interest of each and every nation is getting to basically know costa data on the interest. and that is at, once you have that done, then it would be more of now, you know,

he would short term to or for mall corporation. it's a thing about prosperity because it is all about your national interest, you know, and it would also be a short in the much, much more just on the international uh, if you like. um order it as opposed to that and then uh, lowes pays internationally. yeah. i mean, it is what we have here. let's go to our guest and turn around to mean, you know who the rules based order. again, whatever that's supposed to mean. but what it's actually just substitute the un charter and his on his point in our country solver and countries make national decision is just not really complicated. but the west is very much against that. and i think that the greatest strength of the present form of breaks is that it is completely non ideological. that's in strength. because the west is the ideological um, dominant for us. right now. they were, they were,

they're run by audiology. the rest of the world is saying, we want pragmatism. go ahead and tell them that we disagree with. you assess this across the population. understood through that. i don't think it's possible to not have an idea of it, but the ideology of print is, is going to have a number of components. the 1st component of the big spectrum has been even as an ideology is, is this think m s m a german developing this culture of resistance. and it's, it's not necessarily easy, it's going to require more. yeah. moving towards that multipoint a role. then during this transition, fine, you're going to have difficulties just before it gets any easier. so you need to develop that culture of resistance and then russia and china and that you're on. those countries are saying, noted in the united states, they are basically pass practicing that are the other 2. i get

a job done. this is this, this thing the best one hit junk is the 2nd component of that i. the other g is a spec thing to other people. you know, as you said, america is going to take both the country. they want this in the military base. they want to dictate it, there's the, all this is that goes on 3. and the, if you have a government that's not the funding or this under percent, they want to have it with this whole vision check. so that this is the 2nd part of that idea of that you, that your respective independence of countries solving to introduce you know, what the united nations charter was supposed to achieve. well, so that's so again, what we've run out of time, but i'm glad that we've ended on talking about the united nations charter because that's the big, that's the level playing field for everyone. and that's the way it should be. as all the time you have on, i think my guess and his name, both of them and in cairo. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching

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