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we're gonna start with something really fascinating because finally it's happened. you know, the lives, the exaggerations, the fabricated lives that exist on social media. well, they've reached a new level. we all know that nowadays people use social media to create a reality that doesn't really exist, right. for example, the guy who picks up photo and r. busy as roy, as even though he actually drives a 10 year old toyota, for the young woman who makes it seem like she's a multi millionaire, is traveling all over the world on private plains. when in reality she had to take out a loan just to pay the photographer, but that picture, these are the images that we see on social media is the ones that we've almost come to expect representing dishonesty. but imagine now imagine if someone did the same thing to become a congressman, a congressman,

and possibly the most important government in the world. well, you don't have to imagine this, okay? because it's happened possibly never before and the history of the united states has there been a bigger liar, that a guy named george santos. santos is a brazilian immigrant lives in new york. ran for congress every one. and then journalist started asking questions to try and better understand how he won, and what they discovered has become the scandal of the year in the united states. okay, i want to start with this image. what you're looking at right there. yeah, that is the new us congressman in his i guess other life when he dressed up as a woman and called himself guitar, a robot che,

so me guitar rubacheck. but that's not the only identity. santos has used. the also called himself anthony developer. and they also claims to be someone named dombrowski. and let's start there once and does realize that many of his voters in his district were jewish, reinvented himself as of june. and he went from san a god to set a dad declaring his faith. i'm going to congress to deliver on the american dream to fight against b. b. s. to fight against anti semitism to fight against iran to make sure to make sure that we don't engage in an iran nuclear gear. and matter of fact, we hold, i ran accountable to j. c. po, a was a failure of the bite in administer patient of the obama administration bite. and same thing. hey, look, that's a good story, right?

look at a looks like he belongs. the problem is the story isn't true. santos is not jewish . he also claimed to be a multi millionaire and the owner of many, many properties all throughout new york in the northeast truth. he actually shares an apartment with his sister. he said he graduated from new york university university says they have no record of him. he said he was a champion, volleyball player, volleyball, also not true. a check for the university you never played on the volleyball team. he said he worked on main street as a financial manager for the world's largest companies, goldman sachs, and sit in corps. when reporters called goldman sachs and city core, they said george, cool. but possibly the worst lie of all is the one that he fabricated about his mother. he said that she was dead and died because she was in the world trade

center during the 911 attack. reality is his mother wasn't even in the united states during the $911.00 attack. she was in brazil for the police were looking for her son george at the time for stealing from one of her clients. so who is this guy who is george santos? george santos. is a guest anthony developer. a young man like many others who live a life of fantasy on social media where they try to convince the world. but they're important and wealthy. george santos or jorge santos. copy that strategy and became a congressman. and that one entire country it seems, is asking what does the case of george santos really say about us? right. how do we get here? and we also have to ask is santo's the only one in government who is lying?

and what's the difference? here's a question. what's the difference between santos and president reagan light about weapons to a ron and the hidden money for wars and central america. president clinton, who lied about his relationship with monica lewinsky and the white house. president nixon who lied about the famous water gate case. president johnson. how the j who lied about the warren vietnam are those lives more or less important? suddenly we ask them santos, as lots and a joining us now is uh at barton. he is a ford, ford chair of, uh, missouri, uh, republican party uh ad. thanks so much for joining us. a great to meet with you to rick. thank you. what do you make of this guy? well look, i mean, in politics, even at the highest levels, there are some characters, right? i, i joke with people that the, when someone says to me, so and so is on our success story egomaniac. i'm like at that level,

it's like saying that the guy that plays back up short stop for the st. louis cardinals has a good arm. everybody's at that level a bit. maladjusted. that's how this game is. so i'm a little surprised that santos got through the process without more scrutiny. right . that's when i was chairman of the party or you know, as chairman of the missouri republican party, i sat on the r n. c. the republican national committee. yeah. you watch these kinda these, these meet grinders of primaries and a politics. they usually expose this stuff earlier. and you know, these a 34 year old guy? no, no, no, no, nobody saying, i mean my god, this is yeah. yeah. what, what, what do you make up? there's a couple of things that i want to ask you about in terms of his choices. because obviously there's a lot of lies out there, but some of them i think, are more meaningful than others. what about the fact that even use this name, the ruskie, the name that he made up for them,

which was as opposed to the family name of his grandparents or ancestors as they were running away from the nazis in europe during world war 2, what do you make of that. yeah, i mean, well, you know, yeah, i have to be careful how i say this because i don't want to sound that old glib. but there are certain things you can do and, and, and say in politics that will get you a certain amount of attention, you know? yeah. and, and being a being, i'm a white guy from long island, you know, who is this? that is, the thing is in politics, there's more and using it. yeah, it's boring, right? this is name is someone exotic and you're talking about your jewish and this, i mean, you know, and, and people are saying, you know, the, i've so, but again, i mean what's crazy about this is what the rightness of the clique, like i tell people, rick, when people come to me say i want to run for office. i had a guy. yes. so he says he wants to one for us senate. i say the 1st question to ask yourself is not if you can afford to be an office, if your job will let you,

it's what you can afford to do it in terms of your family in terms of your life. yeah. because they're going to look at everything, especially if you're a republican in my experience. but there's a certain, there's a certain amount of valium element to his lives, which may be like, for example, oh, what a coincidence is family happens to be from? wait for it. wait for it. you claim. yeah. what's he doing? what's the know, what's, what's happening? but he's not good at this is really right, he's very good at it. and as you point out, you know, the idea of what he was even i think he's catholic. so he's talking to the catholics about being catholic. you thought a jewish move about jesus? i mean, again, what makes me be crazy? is it a sanctimony of these other people, you know, warm up the river up the across the way blumenthal as a senator, having lied about being a vietnam, like a man or a significant specific well, i but know that you're right about it. it's kind of mac evaluate. i saw a piece written recently, rick, that his generation 30 years old. he kind of rides the wave of attention. and

that's the truth, right? the attention is the truth, not the truth. and again, he did a pretty darn well. so in other words, what you just said there is interesting, you're saying look guys like this. it's all, it's all a facade. it's about how they appear on instagram and how they appear on the dock and how they appear on the facebook. the rest, the reality doesn't matter. it's just a picture. you put up for the world a. yeah. and, you know, read it in 2010, i ran for congress and, and i remember the experience where you can describe your life to people when you're talking about running, right? this is new thousands and you're saying, you know, i was a young lawyer. i worked for the church, i was a younger and you try to explain it and you're yeah, you're selling right? you're selling in the you want to talk about the things that are instead of on the, on more work for the church. i say, john hall, the 2nd you will pick me to work for a month is a bad. it can okay, is a good story, sam, toes. as you say he's, it's a different thing. you're not doing a brochure, you're doing instagram. you're doing the tip top end and in

a way that you just pointed out he, he's like, like beta testing and real time, things that work for a little bit of a crowd, a little bit of the crowd, a little bit of the crowd. and i, i, i have to agree, he doesn't seem devastated. he seems kind of good to talk it i, i think that's what i'm sorry. i didn't mean to jump on. you were here, but if you are going to say it looks like he's enjoying it. i think he is, and i think he has to and look at the other part of this. i mean, your dad and my dad would kick are as and exactly because, you know, you know, look what they're doing to our family may and look what you've done. you're, you're dishonoring us. he thinks the fact that he's followed by cameras makes him elvis. right, exactly, right. and again, we've created as culture, right? we haven't, it's not happening in a vacuum. he didn't come up with himself, right. so the real, quite the real question becomes, you know, here's one other thing i love, the sanctimony of this guy is in the, in the house a junior member of the house, a new guy has no power. no, i mean,

it was just the majority. so maybe you can go in and beg the speaker to let them do something. these guys have no power at, you know, the, the senate has power no matter who you are. yeah. and a house if you're the speaker. so it's not like he's got his finger on the nuclear football here and all the rest, the more interesting question to me is, what is it sort of, what is he talking about as you say, what are the issues he's talking about? because a lot of these younger folks have been more libertarian on issues more, you know, we're talking off the air less in the neo con vision. it's hard to see of santos is kind of, he's just, it's like the uh, the incredible mr. ripley like he, he just play in the whole game the whole time. is he? yeah, good, good. good. like like he thinks right now it's probably cool to be a conservative and he's got a better chance of winning as a conservative tomorrow. he can snap and go the other way. that's why i mean the whole, the whole name change thing. i mean what is he's he's, he's at the bras key. he's a anthony devolve or he is george santos. but when he dresses like a woman,

he's guitar. oh, i mean, yeah, i can't make this stuff up. i know you. i know you told me you said rick never changed your name. would you be dressed like a woman? just stick with what you the i don't i, i don't know that again. you know as a, and the strangest part of this is how as a party leader in my state, for example, what have had people looking at this and someone will be looking at this picture. let's put, let's put the picture up. we got a picture of him as guitar here. here he is as good par. uh, uh it's, i mean, uh the, you know, good luck in probably get shot, i guess. uh, what, what did you look? you're a guy like me. i grew up a catholic. you know, with the church and you know, the whole 9 yards and still do by the way. say bonaventure over here in brower um what, what do you think when you see a member of congress and you look at this guy as katara. i mean, what? well look, i mean 1st of all, what did i say about, oh yeah, yeah. well, i mean,

one thing for i, i'm a little less judge mental, i'm not, i'm certainly not a libertarian in terms of politics, but i, i kind of think, uh, you know, the joke, someone's that is everybody's a basket case. just gotta find out how, right? i mean, we're all, we all are broken. we all have our problems. yeah. i also kind of say to people when i was with the the late fil a slap. well, you know, this iconic, conservative leader, when one of her eagles came up towards said, felice, how can you back trump, you know, he's been married 3 times. he says he's that. and she said, we're, we're electing a present. not a pastor. i mean, i, if, if you and i report and we know this personally, if we went through the number of members of congress or the us senate, or d, fully flaw disturbingly. so instead from all out, they'd be like 8 guys up there and gals, right? doing business. so i, i look i think, what are the reasons why the media loves the story? is santos is, is software and point. right. it's not just that he was, you know, he's not p rose. he didn't have a gambling problem, right? he's dressing a little bit, right. i mean, it's

a lot more flamboyant than the usual stable of republican since, you know, i mean, it's, uh, but i, again, i think if you, i hate to say this the wrong way. if you went into everybody's closet, you know, i think there's quite a few that have some wild times and you know, as you say, what does it say that where we are both, that it happened that he ran and that he, what we're talking about it. so much right? yeah. oh yeah. it doesn't speak on a bass should lying. it's just the yeah, i'm just going to make it up but the bigger the lie, the better and it's not going to matter. i mean, he had to know that if he won, eventually people would find out as, as we go, because i want to do 2 parts to this conversation with you. one is, you know, we've got to cover the george santos stuff and his name changes and all that stuff . but then i want to talk a little bit about what it means to america. what, what, what that says about us and, and whether he's the only real line guy out there who happens to be in congress. but there's another part of the name game that i was thinking about that i want to do address with you and me, you know, i'm off the now, so not just a catholic,

but i'm, i lot thing oak out like so that when he finally had to go with a name. he knew the ball over. he didn't though with the browse, came off. yeah. yeah. right. with santos. right. what was santos. what, what does that tell you? what? why yeah. i mean you made you said the phrase, matthew valley and this guy. he's 34, you kind of, i mean, maybe one comment about the 1st part you said that you mentioned your dad, my dad. there's a point where if you have a problem, what's like, there was a guy that we knew. he was my case. he was the right fielder on the baseball team. right out of high school. we got a bad dwi. it was that guy was never going to run for office because he didn't want to have to rehash hash, it seems like there's no shame. i think we'll talk about it. he is a gay level can party, right. it's like it's like self identified as a woman, he would have like a try fact uh, in terms of all the things that the love tells us and it's kind of kind of less common, right? it's a, it's a little bit like people say, tim scott, dissimilar from south carolina. it's easy, a series presidential candidate, i'd say, heck, yeah, he's raised $50000000.00 and he's a black,

conservative republican. you stay right there at barton because i think there's a fascinating time to take the george santo's question to sort the george at those case and ask ourselves how many others out there. i mean, is george santos, that isolated incidents? or is it really part of the fabric of the new america? unfortunately, we'll talk about that. by the way. i have a pod guests were i, as a journalist, as latino as an entrepreneur. tell my story and share with you what i've learned about success and growing and failing. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. we talk about some of the things we talk about here. i invite you to check it out and i'll see you there. when we come back though, george santos. how did he get to be able to pull off what he's pulled off and what to say about our political system and what to americans? now think about our own political system. stay with

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the, the hey, welcome back. i'm rick sanchez and i want to show you something. this is a graphic that reveals what's been happening in the united states for well the better part of the last decade. the question is how do we as americans feel about our government, do we trust in more or do we trust it less? look at that line. i mean there was a time when americans 77 percent said they generally trusted their government to do the right thing. look how that shift look forward is now somewhere around 20 percent of americans say they just believe their government. and that's fascinating . and we're back now with the other than the ed martin,

former chair of the missouri republican party. um, staunch libertarians, less conservative and conservative goods are registered by unless judge mental, i'm just, i just don't want to, i don't want to send you the hell for all the stuff that all we all do. but i, i would say i'm a conservative. well, nowadays the labels are all crazy, right? yeah, that's true. and we weren't 1010 years ago we would have been called on our position on say, your national fairs people call us like left these. now the left, these won't stick with the common sense, right. well no, you're absolutely right. there's nobody right now and i don't want to go of course here, but there's nobody right now who is more hawkish, like crazy, hawkish like war war war, war war. i mean they're chanting and they're, they're, they're cheering on world war 3, then the left, these, the, them across x while the while then. and it's like i wonder, how did that happen? so. all right. george santos. up in the case of george santos. yeah, we're looking at a guy who essentially seems to represent much of what we in america have now

become and that is a lack of integrity. if we know what the word, right, i mean you get, say, a guy has integrity when everything that comes out of his mouth can't be believed. and what is that us? is it him? is it a manifestation of what america has become? is it just the political world? what is it, what is it that? well, you know, it's interesting. it's what we're thinking on a little bit more even then we're just going to talk about. but i actually think it's a lack of shame, right? it's not, i mean we all have, we all did things i remember when you are, i mean when you're a kid, you know you do so, but i can picture one time when i had a kind of mentor a couple years older than me in sports and i took his jacket and i thought he wanted me to have it. and so i cut the sleeves off the jacket, and then later the guy came by and he's like, that's my jacket. i was like, i thought you wanted me. i don't remember having this like i couldn't be seen or for days in his presence we have shame as a what a m a m m and

a here's the thing. i don't actually judge george santos. i really don't. rick, for having a lot of real crazy. i don't know, life choices and even the lies each all that it shouldn't point the lives he's telling is part of trying to fulfill. what do you want it to get? what starting to me is a lack of shame, like i, you know, once you get caught in that lie once. yeah. and that's what's changed. what's changed? it's one thing to my and the reason why is there's no accountability, but imagine a good way to go back in time to far, right. but the pressure united states bill clinton was caught, you know, doing terrible terrible things with a woman. whether it was consensual, not, there was very little shame about it. yeah. and right, right. that and ed saying was dropped by the way to be a little bit to be fair. but right right. mean fair. what happens right. stormy daniels is not. i mean we, we, nobody's ever said nothing there. it's just that with. so i am somehow batch the shift. and once it's a shift, you're going to get edge cases like santos, who as you pointed out in the last segment, he's really good at this like to live directionally to win the election. i mean,

this is, i've run for congress, it's hard to succeed. and, and he, he was a directional, we lied to succeed. i'm not saying his right. i'm saying. so we create this culture with no shame. and that's what i think more and more people. and by the way, rick, if you and i were raised in a world with, with video and photos and social media, when we were in our teams, we wouldn't be on tv right now. we'd be like, i don't know what we'd be both that both probably working on this i do. you think that's it? do you think the american society, in particular has become nothing but a fake mirage or i guess that's, that, that's all a, just verizon fake kind of mean the same thing. but a mirage of what people want to be rather than what reality is, is that what's happened is as that social media, is it? is it the media in general? what, what the hell happened? well, i well, you know, i think you know, the line that people say uh you or a pallet, texas down stream from culture. yeah. so what do you see in politics this sort of

the santos case you said yourself. wow. like i mean, lying on all these things lying on, things like again, lying about being jewish. it's like it's like the 3rd rail. if you, if you get credit saying your mother died and during my love and once you get my mean, my god, man it's, it's like up, it's so, so somehow we went down stream from culture which has, has allowed this world. now i want to pause and say, since adam and eve were doing, you know, hanging out, we've had every, there's been alliance. the question is, how, how is it that we're having liars, be so public and prominent and successful and without shame. and that's, that's the thing that's accelerated, i think, in the last say, 15 or 20 years, we have stolen by our valor guys from vietnam or a writer and yeah, they were people. but you, you didn't see things like a magic claim and your mom died in 911. i mean, this is like inside of the, so i don't know. i think we're down the street from culture and the culture i think

is, is um swamped by the instant gratification of, of all the media you listed. yeah, and it's a fun story to watch in that perspective. 3 it's it gets crazy or all the time and the lives are just really outlanders. but let's put all that aside right now. and one of the things that happens when you step back and watch this is that we live in a siloed society. so you're getting one reaction from the dams, for example, the liberals in the united states, which is way over the top. they're making this guy out to be the guy with his finger, as you said on the nuclear button when the he's a really kind of a nobody freshman congressman. so what, and probably won't last there very long, but they're making them up. they're making this out to be the most important case in the world. and the republicans are down playing and as you said, for certain reasons. but this conversation should not be a about what one party needs or the other party needs. this conversation should be

about what is fair, what is right. and if someone has done something wrong, they should be out of because that's the way it would be if it was in my corporation or your corporation. but maybe american politics is not like corporations, which means it's kind of broken in a bad way. yeah, i think it's maybe more broken than it's ever been. and then, and i think the reason there is pretty simple and very straightforward. you've never seen the acceleration and the accumulation of power and wealth in one place in the swamp, washington, dc and the government. you know, we're talking about 10 trillion dollars added in the last year and a half. we're talking about in the white house right now. john podesta has $371000000000.00 less bond slash bond. literally just to give to green energy supporters. right. so once you put that much money in play, the everything gets distorted. i, i don't want to say that follow the money is the only filter to see on life, but it's pretty good indicator of where things are going and that's what we have.

so what i say george santos is vote, is why he will not be pushed out by republicans. what i mean is there's never been power like this. there's never been a central ization of power. and now look, i do think like, one thing i want to say, rick and we talked again about this all the time. the power of the media in this is really something to behold. i mean, in the last 5 years, we have the russia hawks, which we've shown to really be a hoax fully. me, i've had the ukrainian, you know, so lensky is st. zalinski big. yeah. and i'll be on the amount from the list playing and exaggeration of what, what is a serious story. yeah, and then what's the, what's called paul it will go more politically partisan, 100 by laptop which was managed by the intelligence community in the media to affect the election cycle. so what do you want about the action? you watch santos. the very the media and the left are using santos. like t. m z at martin. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate the conversation . always great to be with you, rick. thank you. hey, before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. simple,

really. i want to try and the silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes where we only want to be around people think like us. troops don't live in boxes. truth is everywhere. i'm research and i'll be looking for you again right here, where i hope to provide a direct impact the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on a fence. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very unclear because of time. time to sit down and talk.

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