development, thank you so much work for uh, coming on. the situation moving very fast. uh, as i understand it in the northern cause of it. um, before we even get to the context, i better as what, what is being reason week, the scale of the violence by nature, back to albania, melisha is i suppose, in northern cause of well as thank you 1st for most, for having me on the show. it's a, it's a privilege to be here and have this conversation. essentially what has been happening in the last few weeks in kosovo is that the, europe's most oppressed ethnic group is actually, uh, brother competition. and i know i think a lot of competition for that. yeah. well, i well enough part of the world for sure. and i'm talking about comfortable shirts . comfortable shirts, who are basically the most endangered ethnic group in the region. well, of, of the balkans, if you well, so they are rising against

a complete deprivation of dear basic human rights. and what happened was that the nato troops were called in to a, to come down to push them away from, to places where they were protesting. and the come treaty rough uh, at a certain point. why and how are they oppressed? and of course some people are asking, why did they reject the different? i mean we, we have to sort of get on to what the cause of it actually is given. obviously as use from the you a but of course the global south has very different ideas as to what the cost of oh is. it was a suddenly became a country in the ninety's, but isn't the country to the u. n. a. l because he called elections. why did they boy quote the elections of this are pressed? why didn't they vote for someone they wanted to?

the local, i really was do say, i really do think we need to take a few steps back into. i'm to basically say that the customer is not the state. it is unfortunately recognized as an independent country by a number of powerful western capitals i'd say. but the vast majority of the world population and member states of the united nations as well. i do not recognize because of the way the state should be. it does not recognize close to what other states for us uh code is will rush or anybody lies additional. terry just noticed the roster and uh oh, you know, the china like 3 quarters of africa, 4 fifths of latin america. vast majority of asian countries do not recognize the car in the winter of the end. but then who is this album, courtesy, person who says it is a completely independent state. it is an extraneous politician

uh, albanian ethnic politician so extreme that even the biggest sponsors of constables, independence, and the supporters of coastal independence led by the united states of america are having issues with him and don't know how to deal with him. he is currently leading the so called government of coastal and he's the so called prime minister of kosovo . but uh, a guy who has in the past year and a half shown very, very openly and blatantly that he wouldn't have any of the serbian demands. reasonable demands balance, demands met, uh no matter what the cost is, even if you lose the support of the united states. he wants to see customer without shirts. he wants to see greater albania,

being created by means of putting together unite, uniting, albania, and the so called cost of the integrator of being here. and as a result, as she is mindless decision a few days ago to send a police cost of a police force to uh, entered the buildings of the municipal authorities in the north of the cost of a we are having these problems that we can address because he says he can put in install albanians in that area or is a veteran, a municipality, even though 3.4 percent of the vote they got i'll give you that is because the a, as subs their boy go to the vote though, of course. so this is all happening, but salting, bug sends it, i mean and wouldn't have done so without washington's approval. no matter what way . hearing about the us and bass, the jeffery of any a saying hey uh,

how being good. see uh, go to overstep them all. look here against, uh, so be i should say wiki leeks is exposed. uh, i'll be in courtesy as a person who was involved in activities that worried the state department years ago with the leaks the person in a company. that, of course, revealed lots of the american policy. how, how do you think good. the discussions went on in brussels, that just oldenburg presumably took a phone call from blinking while blinking publicly says, steady on, they send in, what does the 700 troops mostly was young, italian man on gary and men into kosovo, to hit ethically. so people there on the board. well, uh my opinion is that the western leaders and the real crafts, like, uh, including those that you mentioned, they really don't know how to handle critique right now. they. they made this

frankenstein. uh, they helped him become the so called prime minister of the so called cost of a government. and now he is behaving really as if he is a leader of the independent state and is not is no longer listening as to the former public masters. if you will, so they are becoming a little bit nervous, but essentially what you have in comfortable because you were mentioning these elections that were a boy cottage and they'll be in, in may years in the northern municipalities, they claim their mandate based on the 3 percent of the folks that they've gotten so on so forth. essentially what you have in kosovo is a combination of a part hide and palestine. for practical purposes,

you have basically service for living gatos serbs who are deprived of their most basic human rights. certainly in churches that are uh, in a very, very difficult situation, even when the so called comfortable court makes a certain decision. when it comes to say the property serves or it should be in churches. these decisions and the court are simply not implemented just because the beneficiaries are serbs or through the and church. so basically they have no basic human rights. it's a, it's an outrage, a situation for your, of the 21st century. and now on top of all that you have an extreme is uh, albanian custom also called prime minister, who simply wants to push them out altogether to have comfortable with that shirts.

and that is a little too hard to digest, even for the staunchest supporters. of course of all independence, including the west and leaders in the request. if you have just match, obviously deny being an extreme missing probably say is a proud the cost of him and his sponsors. we are a be in union. and the united states and brittany would say, that's just not well, you're aware of the kind of propaganda, arguably, the propaganda that since the $199.00 pieces painted this, it'd be in community in your up as um, as genocide also might say, you might want to tell me of what you, what do you think about the propaganda? un security council resolution one to full. i mean, come on. sorry sir, for it to read for just interesting. you be good because what comes to mind to my mind when you were mentioning this? as i don't know if you check what happened earlier this week in paris, a window like joke ridge is playing as if it was a big tennis champion. and at the end of the, the match,

you know that the tennis players, they approach the camera, they say a few words in the camera, and they also write a few words on the camera. so what the hell of joe can make sure no, it was cost of it was the hardest to review. please bring peace. and now he is attacked. is it the way the media and neither nation media, you know, because he was calling should be like, i mean, that's the level of propaganda that we are talking about when it comes to when it comes to the cost of though unfortunately, serves have been betrayed for the past 30 years as that, so a negative actor after to be blamed for every single thing. of course, there is a part of the plane one, disturb you inside for things,

for certain things that are your sub, you know, possession already the position, the read it. but i've tried go to ask you, and i have to say as regards the quarter a piece in your a, but you know what, look what happen to china when it wants to go for peace. i might say you end security council resolution 1244 and you know, who can answer these questions about the you and better than the former president of the you in general assembly permits via so this is presumably why they agreed to it because it goes some people in the global south to wonder how on a scale great ever agreed to the kind of terms of a politician that happened. but we don't want to go that a lot of history that it permits. it'd be just and 1000 people to protect some sub civilians from arguable nature aggression. would you say that the voltage in bell grade should be sending? i mean, he says he's been sending the troops to the board. should he be sending the 1000 people into the area code cost of o to protect the men women and children of this up community the of the

situation slightly more complex. uh, because if you read the fine print, uh, the small print issue will up to 1244 resolution. it actually defines the conditions under which those troops can be sent into costs. the roll and not the with the, the agreement with the needle. with k for mandate. so it is not possible to just like, uh, send in the troops. uh, the lagrange it, isn't it without consultation then you like all of us. that is, was there a nuances to make sure. yeah, of course, like this would be the 1st violation resolution $1244.00 because the, the cost of those declaration of independence itself and the recognition of the cost of all by a number of western powers where blinking violation of the resolution 1244. so what you're referring to would not be the 1st violation of the resolution. $1244.00,

but doubts that president voltage is going to do that. and the reason why i doubt it is that i don't have a very high opinion of his freedom to act right now. and he's readiness to act solely in the interest of industry. being people uncomfortable. okay? are image, i'll stop you. the more from the form is that being foreign minister and president of the un general assembly after this break, the what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy on foundation

. let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk the western expectation was that pressure will be disassembled, lies by extreme sanctions. and the military losses. uh, there was a, an expectation that the pressure wouldn't be able to continue the war flight longer than a for a period of time longer than probably couple of months. the

welcome back to going on the ground. i'm still here with the full, the president view, in general assembly book year mich. well, international courts of course, have justified the natural recognition as you say, to some in violation of un security council resolution one to full full of costs of or is it going to be in the 1st place? of course many in the global south. most of the world, as you know, is going to be looking at this situation. where in this region with the assassination of out shoot friendswood and a good, a 109 years ago, i think this week, they're going to be going. this is because alexander would judge a proportion of so be the majority, some would say, do not agree with nato policy on ukraine. and that the southern announcements by blinking pointy geoffrey, of any of us about to, to cause of a saying the pipe down is they con, have a 2nd front against russia because they see so be as not properly aligned to the

cause of delay. and joseph ball, roland, and the god and against the jungle. again, uh, the court, the decision that you're referring to when carefully read uh, truly, uh, supports the serbian argument that this cost of a cannot become a state. uh, you know, actually, because it says in the decision of the court from 2010 that the state would, must be determined by the security council. so, based on the courts view, castillo has never been recognized by a significant number of countries. after that, the court's ruling doing a good job. i am not likely. um, since you are a former president and gunner and assembly, did you ever have coffee in the car doors of the you in building in new york about

this subject? did people go from britain to the united states and from say, you know, you're talking nonsense. i mean you, you nearly became secretary general. of course, maybe that was why you didn't becomes i was general and gutierrez' that yeah, i was, uh, i made it to the final though and then i, uh, what do you think is this view and comfortable this viewing cause of, of this stuff to you becoming secretary general of the united nations, it probably had to do with my stronger using castillo, which i never shied away from, from saying, um, but uh, the fast, the majority of world countries. they see this uh at face value. what was done in 2008. ready you know, actual declaration of independence, of cost of oh. and then subsequent recognition by united states of america, united kingdom and a number of other western allies was, uh,

was addressed as into epic proportions. it was the very, very 1st time that somebody tried to create the stain in the aftermath of the 2nd world war using those, you know, actual means again, is the role of the security council against the will of the majority of the world nations. so when they realize that many, many years down the road is that possible cannot actually become a state we got through the accepting it. so the only way for costs of to become an independent state proper to become a member of the national community is if serbia actually accepts this. and that was a, that's the reason why the pressure is, serv yet are, are so big because they realize they can't. there's no other way. an alternative way would be to, you know, go to the security council and you know, how your city,

i exactly for them. then you have to primitive numbers of the security council. that is russia and china did have said time. and again, we are going to vote okay, well, yeah, if it's about so be, and then what depression can nato, we are to be in union put to destabilize? it'd be, what can they do to bel grades? i know is your opponent, but the village has managed to balance things better than i do with you and be that position whether you think you could have done better. but it's quite a position to hold in belgrade to try and look forward to a multiple a well, the same time as anyone who looks towards the multiple world is arguably considered a proxy of beijing and moscow right now. well, i actually think i quite different the, i think the which is the west best and only hope to deliver not just the

independence of causal, but also membership with serbia in the nato in the future. as well as the resolution. he would deny that, you know, he would just die that in the strongest terms, he would deny that. i mean, would you ever say this about the north stream pipeline no politician in the world's, the, in the world is ignorant of who committed sabotaged in the baltic. but we will pretend to be imbeciles and keep silent, so as not to harm the entrance of our country's ball cuz he is everywhere. even if this happens to the bulk and the stream, the tech stream, we would somehow survive because it goes to being report recently of for apps, the attempt to sabotage objects, stream pipelines. and that's not really going to into your himself, to of, on the land and still getting blinking by them. is it? yes, but the that's what we would use. embrace on north street. yes. but they do yes. but they do embrace and need to embrace in most where they're working together very,

very closely with him. he seems to be their darling and 30th. and the reason is that the, the deal between the serbian government, led by mortgage in the west is the following. you can basically go and say whatever you like, but we want you to deliver. we want you to do where we tell you the sanctions on. so it has about the size. so uh, so basically uh, on the one hand, uh, he has agreed to the uh, to completely outrageous term of the uh, agreement between serbia and costs of oh, that would actually make sure that the cost of it becomes an independent states. and i am referring to process an alternate agreements done under the storage of the european special representative um, actually one part of this agreement that the voltage has agreed to. is that

certainly? yeah, well not to block the cost of or from joining international organizations. you remember a minute ago we were talking about how close a little can become the state. well, only for a security council and the security council, you're from russia and china, who are saying we're going to do what serve you ask us to do well, mr. voltage just agreed to like, not locking uh, costs away an international organization. so for as long as you commit to things like that, you are okay to say in your media. whatever you like, okay. well anyway, i guess you had deal with you maybe having, you know, may have said that they obviously the, even if a future president of the, at. so it'd be a said that i don't think this ethnic insurance, they would allow it. well generally, how do you think the ukraine conflict, what it means for the sub young people? i know i'm speaking to you from the you a to big donor,

just beyond the levels i may say of a few dry m f level. um, would you certainly say that they should be not using uh, i m f money for development and so it'd be, they should be using either you a investment or bricks, bank investment, safe or bad? i don't think that the ways are big dorner and certainly present the financially present economically. i don't think that there are huge donations these days coming into sort of donation because the in the past months. yes, of course that's close, but that's quite different. you know, and, and their loans and loans in loans and their terms insurance and turn the wheel. no, biomass loans and what happens in countries? yeah, well, it's a, it's a long story when it comes to economics. but when it comes to this war and ukraine, which is what you ask um, i think that the public opinion in serbia is distinctly different

from public opinions and most other european countries. but what is it? because there was an antique, there was a big demonstration against the government. and then we saw of the pictures, which would not always be shown on european union that i'll give a controlled media of a massive support of the. so it'd be in position, you would say someone say approach it share position in. so it'd be a demonstration of the kind of unity is. is there a great unity or is it demographically split fee between pro you and you live in a? well, we currently know we currently have big demonstrations, new serbia, against the governments of alexander virginia. but it has nothing to do with a foreign policy, serbia. so i'm one of those demonstrators. my party is one of the main organizers of these relays. and when it comes from policy, i'm very, very strongly my party is very, very strongly against capitalism. attendance, my party is very, very strongly against imposing sanctions on anybody in the world. given that

experience of serbia understanding should be the unity was it was, it was dramatic time for unity when the strain and stress on bell grade has never given me being as harsh since since the bombing of bell. great, loving of the chinese and the, or i think it's over dramatic. it's is not true that the pressure in belgrade has never been higher. i was for a minister and sign one pressure is were far more higher, far more strong. and from the cost of those, you know, actual declaration of independence, those days you had the american secretary of state uh, shipping costs of oh, and the independence of coastal as number one priority on her schedule. right now the secretary of state of the united states has quite a number of minor things to deal with. so i think that that when you hear from the

leaders of the serbian government, starting with mr. voltage at pos for unit 8, and i think it some minutes relation. i think it's, uh, it's a terrible manipulation. what we need right now uh is, uh, is, is a change that would bring about the government in serbia. that is not a problem for uh, for an blackmail for him, for him blackmail or being pressure rising to things that are against national interest. well, that's what the main question then is to a former foreign minister from that country, but also do have over president the un general assembly is which way. so it'd be, i would have voted e s 11 for the invoice, representing most of humanity, voted not with the americans to condemn russia if so what was happening in ukraine? would you have voted with the, with the americans?

so just for the record, because we were debating mr. mortgages for him. policy uh, outlook. uh sure. again, loaded with the united states of america on that particular resolution. but the way that the people of the sort of you see this more in ukraine is essentially something very similar to what happened to us in the 9099, just because in 9099 there was a foreign military intervention. uh there was done without the agreement of the security council, so need to basically bombed sort of yeah, for about $76.00 days. and the result of this special military operation of nato. if you really made a 99, i was serious infringement of the territorial integrity of a you and the member state surgeon. so what's happening right now when you agree?

uh, we see something very similar and, and therefore it, it kinda creates outraging sarabia. when we hear in the western media, oh, what is happening in ukraine is the 1st time since the end of the 2nd one ward at a country is attacked and that the borders are attempted to be forcefully changed. what would happen to us and we live with this to this very day and, and, and therefore, therefore, therefore, therefore, the public opinion of this kind of different, instead of being from a public opinion, is that under your countries hook damage. thank you. thank you very much. and that's it for the show will be back on monday with dr. harry and fraud hosting forecasts capitalism and so on the day the u. s. is scheduled to run out of money without raising the death limits until then you can keep in touch with my social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to

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basically we want to make sure that certain dangerous for regular civilians should be in the hands of those people who are in state. that's for sake, nowhere the indian stuff is 8, was trained disaster in decades with the death toll rising to 288 and 850 people now injured, their civilians are killed and 6 wounded as ukraine shelves. the village in the russian region of delta has come to the attacks anerio intensify. also a head, the 10 people die in senegal also.