all right, sanchez, i've been doing news now for 30 years to languages all over the world. here in the united states interviewed for us. presidents co founded a $1000000000.00 business. i believe. news should be honest and direct pen and pencil. and this is the we're going to start with something really fascinating because finally it's happened. you know, the lives, the exaggerations, the fabricated lives that exist on social media. well, they've reached a new level. we all know that nowadays people use social media to create a reality that doesn't really exist, right. for example, the guy who picks up photo and r. busy as royce, even though he actually drives

a 10 year old toyota, for the young woman who makes it seem like she's a multi millionaire, is traveling all over the world on private plains. when in reality she had to take out a loan just to pay the photographer, but that picture, these are the images that we see on social media is the ones that we've almost come to expect representing dishonesty. but imagine now imagine if someone did the same thing to become a congressman, a congressman, and possibly the most important government in the world. well, you don't have to imagine this, okay? because it's happened. possibly never before in the history of the united states has there been a bigger liar than a guy named george santos. santos is a brazilian immigrant lives in new york. ran for congress. every one,

the and then journal and started asking questions to try and better understand how he won and what they discovered has become the scandal of the year in the united states. okay. i want to start with this image. what you're looking at right there. yeah. that is the new us congressman in his i guess other life when he dressed up as a woman and called him so. busy guitar, a robot che so me guitar rubacheck. but that's not the only identity santos is used. they also call themselves anthony developer. and they also claims to be someone named dombrowski. and let's start there once and tells realize that many of us voters in his district were jewish. he reinvented himself as a jew. and he went from san a god to set a dog,

declaring his faith. i'm going to congress to deliver on the american dream to fight against b. b. s. to fight against anti semitism to fight against iran to make sure to make sure that we don't engage in an iran nuclear deer. and matter of fact, we hold, i ran accountable to j. c. po, a was a failure of the bite in administer patient of the obama administration bite. and same thing. hey, look, that's a good story, right? look at a looks like he belongs. the problem is the story isn't true. santos is not jewish . he also claimed to be a multi millionaire and the owner of many, many properties all throughout new york in the northeast truth. he actually shares an apartment with his sister. he said he graduated from new york university university says they have no record of him. he said he was a champion, volleyball,

player volleyball is also not true. they checked with the university never played on the volleyball team. he said he worked on main street as a financial manager for the world's largest companies, goldman sachs, and sit in court when reporters called goldman sachs and city corps, they said george, cool. but possibly the worst lie of all is the one that he fabricated about his mother. he said that she was dead and died because she was in the world trade center during the 911 attack. reality is his mother wasn't even in the united states during the $911.00 attack. she was in brazil where the police were looking for her son george at the time for stealing from one of her clients. so who is this guy who is george santos? george santos. is i guess anthony developer. a young man like many others who live a life of fantasy on social media where they try to convince the world,

but they're important and wealthy. george santos or par. hey santos. copying that strategy and became a congressman. and that one entire country it seems, is asking what does the case of george santos really say about us? right. how do we get here? and we also have to ask and sam tells the only one in government who is lying and what's the difference? here's a question. what's the difference between santos and president reagan light about weapons to a ron and the hidden money for wars and central america. president clinton, who lied about his relationship with monica lewinsky and the white house president nixon who lied about the famous water gate case. president johnson. how the j who lied about the warren vietnam are those lies more or less

important and suddenly we ask them santos, as last. and joining us now is uh at barton he is a uh ford and former chair of the missouri uh republican party. uh at thanks so much for joining us. a great to meet with you to rick. thank you. you might have this guy. well, look, i mean, in politics, even at the highest levels, there are some characters, right? i, i jump with people that when someone says to me, so, and so is on our success story egomaniac. i'm like, at that level, it's like saying that the guy that plays backup shortstop or the st. louis cardinals has a good arm. everybody's at that level a bit, maladjusted. that's how this game is. so i'm a little surprised that santos got through the process without more scrutiny. right . that's when i was chairman of the party or, you know, as chairman of the missouri republican party, i sat on the r n. c, the republican national committee. yeah. you watch these kind of these,

these meet grinders a primaries and a politics. they usually expose this stuff earlier and you know, these a 34 year old guy? no, no, no, no, nobody saying, i mean my god, this is yes. yeah. what, what, what do you make up? there's a couple of things that i want to ask you about in terms of his choices, because obviously there's a lot of lies out there, but some of them i think are more meaningful than others. what about the fact that even use this name, the ruskie, the name that he made up for? yeah. which was suppose that the family name of his grandparents or ancestors as they were running away from the nazis in europe during world war 2. what do you make of that? yeah, i mean, well, you know, yeah, i have to be careful how i say this because i don't want to sound, they're all glib. uh, but there are certain things you can do and, and, and say in politics that will get you a certain amount of attention. you know. yeah. and, and being a being, i'm

a white guy from long island. uh, you know who this, that is, the thing is in politics because you aren't using it. yeah, it's boring. writing this is name is someone exotic and you're talking about your jewish and this, i mean, you know, and, and people are saying, you know, that i've so, but again, i mean what's crazy about this is what the brightness of the clique, like i tell people, rick when people come to me, say i want to run for office. i had a guy yesterday says he wants to run for us senate. i say the 1st question to ask yourself is not if you can afford to be in office. if your job will let you, it's whether you can afford to do it in terms of your family in terms of your life . yeah. because they're going to look at everything. especially if you're a republican in my experience. but there's a certain, there's a certain amount of valium element to his lies, which may be like, for example, oh, what a coincidence is family happens to be from? wait for it. wait for if you claim. yeah. what's he doing? what do you know?

what's happening, but he's not good at this is really right. he's very good at it. and as you point out, you know, the idea of what he was, even i think he's catholic. so he's talking to the catholics about being catholic. you thought a jewish speaking about jesus, i mean, again, what makes me be crazy? is it a sanctimony of these other people you know well up the river, up the across the way blumenthal as a senator, having lied about being a, be a not like a man or significant specific. well, i but know that you're right about it. it's kind of matthew valley, i saw a piece written recently, rick, that his generation 30 years old, he kind of arrives the wave of attention. and that's the truth, right? the attention is the truth, not the truth. and again, he did a pretty darn well. so in other words, what you just said there is interesting, you're saying look guys like this, it's all, it's all of a saw. it's about how they appear on instagram and how they appear on the dock and how they appear on facebook. the rest, the reality doesn't matter. it's just a picture you put up for the world. yeah. and you know,

really in 2010 i ran for congress and, and i remember the experience where you can describe your life to people when you're talking about running, right. this is new 1010 and you're saying, you know, i was a young lawyer. i worked for the church, i was a young and you try to explain it and you're, you're selling right? you're selling in the you want to talk about the things that are instead of on the, on more work for the church. i say, john hall, the 2nd you'll pick me to work for a month is a bad. it can, okay, is a good story, sam, toes, as you say he's, it's a different thing. you're not doing a brochure, you're doing instagram, you're doing sick talk and, and in a way that you just pointed out he, he's like, like beta testing and real time, things that work for a little bit of a crowd, a little bit of the crowd, a little bit of the crowd and i, i, i have to agree, he doesn't seem devastated. he seems kind of going to talk it i, i think that's what i'm sorry. i didn't mean to jump on. you were here, but if you are going to say it looks like he's enjoying it. i think he is. so

i think he has to look at the other part of this. i mean, your dad and my dad would kick go as an example because you know, you're look what they're doing. your family may look what you've done. you're dishonoring us. he thinks the fact that he's followed by cameras makes him elvis. right. exactly. right. and again, we've created his culture, right? we haven't, it's not happening in a vacuum. he didn't come up with himself, right. so the real, quite the real question becomes, you know, here's one other thing i love, the sanctimony of this guy is in the, in the house a junior member of the house, a new guy has no power. no, i mean, it was just the majority. so maybe you can go in and beg the speaker to let them do something. these guys have no power at, you know, the, the senate has power no matter who you are. yeah. the house, if you're the speaker, so it's not like he's got his finger on the nuclear football here and all the rest, the more interesting question to me is, what is it sort of, what is he talking about as you say, what are the issues he's talking about because a lot of these younger folks have been more libertarian on issues more. you know,

we're talking off the air less in the neo con vision. it's hard to see of santos is kind of, he's just, it's like the uh, the incredible mr. ripley. lucky. he's just playing the whole game the whole time. does he? yeah, good, good. good. like like he thinks right now it's probably cool to be a conservative and he's got a better chance of winning as a conservative tomorrow. he could snap and go the other way. that's why i mean the whole, the whole name change thing. i mean what is the he's he's, he's at the bras key. he's a anthony devolve or he is george santos. but when he dresses like a woman, he's guitar. oh, i mean, yeah, i can't make this stuff up. i mean, i know you told me you said rick, never changed your name. what do you make a dress like a woman? just stick with what you the, i don't i, i don't know what again, you know, as either the strangest part of this is how as a party leader in my state, for example, what of had people looking at this and some of the picture. let's put, let's put the picture up. we got a picture of him as guitar here. here he is as guitar. uh, uh it's, i mean,

the, you know, good looking product that shot, i guess, uh, what, what did you look? you're a guy like me. i grew up a catholic, you know, with the church and you know, the whole 9 yards and still do by the way, say, bought a venture over here in the broward, um, what, what do you think when you see a member of congress and you look at this guy as katara. i mean what? well look, i mean 1st of all, what do i say about, oh yeah, yeah. well, i mean, one thing for i, i'm a little less judge mental, i'm not, i'm certainly not a libertarian in terms of politics, but i, i kind of think, uh, you know, the joke. someone said, is everybody's a basket case. just gotta find out how, right? i mean, we're all, we all are broken. we all have our problems. yeah. i also kind of say to people when i was with the the late fil a slap. well, you know, this iconic, conservative leader, when one of her eagles came up towards said, felice, how can you back, trump, you know,

he's been married 3 times. he's betsy's that and she said, we're, we're electing a present. not a pastor. i mean, if, if you and i report and we know this personally, if we went through the number of members of congress or the us senate, or d, fully flaw, disturbingly. so, and said, throw them all out that be like, 8 guys up there and gals, right? to a business. so i, i look i think, what are the reasons why the media loves the story? is santos is, is software and point. right. it's not just that he was, you know, he's not p rows even have a family problem, right? he's dressing a woman, right. i mean, it's a lot more flamboyant than the usual stable of republican since, you know, i mean it's, uh, but i, again, i think if you, i hate to say this the wrong way. if you went into everybody's closet, you know, i think there's quite a few that have some wild times and you know, as you say, what does it say that where we are both, that it happened that he ran and that he, what we're talking about it. so much right? yeah. oh yeah, yes. it's the on a bass should lying. it's just the yeah, i'm just going to make it up but the bigger the lie,

the better and it's not going to matter. i mean, he had to know that if he won, eventually people would find out as, as we go, because i want to do 2 parts to this conversation with you. one is, you know, we've got to cover the george santos stuff and his name changes and all that stuff . but then i want to talk a little bit about what it means to america. what, what, what that says about us and, and whether he's the only real line guy out there who happens to be in congress. but there's another part of the name game that i was thinking about that i want to do address with you and me, you know, i'm up the, you know, so not just a catholic, but i'm all that they know catholic so that when he finally had to go with a name. he knew the ball over. he didn't though with the cross came off. yeah. yeah . i went with santos. right. what was santos, what, what does that tell you? what? why yeah. i mean, you made you said the phrase, matthew valley and this guy, he's 34. you kind of, i mean, middle one comment about the 1st part you said that you mentioned your dad, my dad. there's a point where if you have a problem,

let's say member the guy that we knew in my case he was the right fielder on the baseball team. right out of high school we got a bad dwi. yeah. it was that guy was never going to run for office because he didn't want to have to rehash that. now there's nothing you can't rehash. it seems like there's no shame. i think we'll talk about that next segment, but, but back to this point, he is a gay latino, you know, in the republican party, right. it's like, it's really starting to again, apply that self identified as a woman. he would have like a try fact uh, in terms of all the things that the love tells us and it's kind of kind of less common, right. it's a, it's a little bit like people say, tim scott, the senator from south carolina. it's easy, a series presidential candidate, i say, heck, yeah, he's raised $50000000.00 and he's a black, conservative republican. you stay right there at barton because i think there's an fascinating time to take the george santo's question, the sort the judge at those case and ask ourselves how many others out there. i mean is george santos, that isolated incidents? or is it really part of the fabric of the new america?

unfortunately, we'll talk about that. by the way. i have a pod cast where i as a journalist, as latino as an entrepreneur. tell my story and share with you what i've learned about success and growing and failing. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. we talk about some of the things we talk about here. i invite you to check it out and i'll see you there. when we come back though, george santos. how did he get to be able to pull off what he's pulled off and what to say about our political system and what to americans? now think about our own political system. stay with the the . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even

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welcome back. i'm rick sanchez and i want to show you something. this is a graphic that reveals what's been happening in the united states for well, the better part of the last decade. the question is how do we as americans feel about our government, do we trust in more or do we trust it less? look at that line. i mean there was a time when americans 77 percent said they generally trusted their government to do the right thing. look how that shift and look forward is now somewhere around 20 percent of americans say they just believe their government. and that's fascinating, and we're back now with none other than the ed martin, former chair of the missouri republican party. so staunch libertarians less conservative and conservative could serve the address of unless judge mental. i'm just, i just don't want to, i don't want to send you the hell for all the stuff that all we all do. but i,

i would say i'm a conservative. well, nowadays the labels are all crazy, right? yeah, that's true. and we weren't picked 10 years ago, we would have been called on our position on say, your national affairs, people would call us like left these. now the left, these won't stick with the common sense, right? well, no, you're absolutely right. there's nobody right now. and i don't want to go of course here, but there's nobody right now who is more hawkish, like crazy, hawkish like war war, war, war war. i mean, they're chanting and they're, they're, they're cheering on world war 3. then the left, these the democrat trials next while now he's a while then and it's like, how did that happen? so all right, george santos, up in the. yeah, we're looking at a guy who essentially seems to represent much of what we in america have now become, and that is a lack of integrity if we're know what the word, right. i mean, you get, say, a guy has integrity when everything that comes out of his mouth can't be believed. and what is that us? is it him, is it a manifestation of what america has become?

is it just the political world? what is it, what is it that? well, you know, it's interesting. it's what we're thinking on a little bit more even than we're just going to talk about. but i actually think it's a lack of shame, right? it's not, i mean we all have, we all did things remember when you are, i mean when you're a kid, you know, you do so, but i can picture one time when i had a kind of mentor a couple years older than me in sports. and i took his jacket and i thought he wanted me to have it. and so i cut the sleeves off the jacket, and then later the guy came by and he's like, that's my jacket. i was like, i thought you wanted me. i don't remember having this like i couldn't be seen or for days in his presence we have shape you as a sort of m a m m and a. here's the thing. so i really don't, rick for having a lot of real crazy. i don't know. life choices and even the lisay total that it shouldn't point the lives he's telling is part of trying to fulfill what he wanted to get. what starting to me is a lack of shame. like i. yeah. and that's what's changed. what's changed?

it's one thing to my and the reason why is there's no accountability, what magical get right to go back in time to far. right. but the person united states bill clinton was caught, you know, doing terrible terrible things with a woman. whether it was consensual, not, there was very little shame about it. yeah. and right, right. that and ed saying was dropped by the way to be a little bit to be exactly right. right. mean fair. what have definitely right. stormy daniels is not. i mean, we know we no one's ever said nothing there. it's just that we so i and somehow that's the shift. and once it's a shift, you're going to get edge cases like samples. so as you pointed out in the last segment, he's really good at this, like you live directionally to win the election. i mean, this is, i've run for congress, it's hard to succeed. and, and he, he a direction we lied to succeed. i'm not saying his right, i'm saying. so we create this culture with no shame. and that's what i think more and more people. and by the way, rick, if you and i were raised in a world with, with video and photos and social media when we were in our teams. hm. we wouldn't

be on tv right now. we'd be like, i don't know what we'd be both that both probably working on this or do you think that's it? do you think the american society, in particular has become nothing but a fake mirage or i guess that's a tall, a, just verizon fake kind of mean the same thing. but a mirage of what people want to be rather than what reality is, is that what's happened is as that social media, is it? is it the media in general? what, what the hell happened? well, i well, you know, i think you know, the line that people say uh, you know, about texas down stream from culture. yeah. so what you see in politics is sort of the santos case you say yourself wow. like i mean, lying on all these things lying on, things like again, lying about being jewish is like it's like the 3rd rail. if you, if you get credit saying your mother died and during my love and once you get my mean, my god, man it's, it's like i'm so, so somehow we went down stream from culture which has,

has allowed this world. now i want to pause and say, since adam and eve were doing, you know, hanging out, we've had every, there's been alliance. the question is, how, how is it that we're having liars, be so public and prominent and successful and without shame. and that's, that's the thing that's accelerated, i think, in the last say, 15 or 20 years, we have stolen by our valor guys from vietnam or a writer and yeah, they were people. but you, you didn't see things like a magic claim and your mom died in 911. i mean, this is like inside of the so i don't know, i think for down the street from culture and the culture i think is, is um swamped by the instant gratification of, of all the media you listed. yeah. and it's a fun story to watch in that perspective that it's, it gets crazy or all the time and the lives are just really outlanders. but let's put all that aside right now. and one of the things that happens when you step back and watch this is that we live in

a siloed society. so you're getting one reaction from the dams, for example, the liberals in the united states, which is way over the top. they're making this guy out to be the guy with his finger, as you said on the nuclear button when a, he's a really kind of a nobody freshman congressman. so what, and probably won't last there very long, but they're making them up. they're making this out to be the most important case in the world. and the republicans are down playing and as you said, for certain reasons. but this conversation should not be about what one party needs or the other party needs. this conversation should be about what is fair, what is right. and if someone has done something wrong, they should be out of because that's the way it would be if it was in my corporation or your corporation. but maybe american politics is not like corporations, which means it's kind of broken in a bad way. yeah, i think it's maybe more broken than it's ever been. and then,

and i think the reason there is pretty simple and very straightforward. you've never seen the acceleration and the accumulation of power and wealth in one place in the swamp, washington, dc and the government. you know, we're talking about 10 trillion dollars added in the last year and a half. we're talking about in the white house right now. john podesta has $371000000000.00 less fund slash fund. literally just to give to green energy supporters. right. so once you put that much money in play, that everything gets distorted. i, i don't want to say that follow the money is the only filter to see on life, but it's pretty good indicator of where things are going and that's what we have. so what i say george santos is vote is why he will not be pushed out by republicans . what i mean is there's never been power like this. there's never been a central ization of power. and now look, i do think like one thing i want to say, rick, and we've talked again about this all the time. the power of the media in this is really something to be whole. i mean, in the last 5 years we had the russia hoax, which was shown to really be a hoax fully. me, i've had the ukrainian, you know,

so lensky is st. zalinski pig. yeah. and i'll be in the mount pleasant mist playing and exaggeration of what, what is a serious story. yeah, and then let's go, let's go. polly will go more politically partisan for a 100 by my laptop, which was managed by the intelligence community and the media to affect the election cycle. say what do you want about the action? you watch santos. very. the media and the left are using said it was like t m z at martin. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate the conversation. always great to be with you, rick. thank you. hey, before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. simple, really. i want to try and the silo the world. we've gotta stop living in these little boxes where we only want to be around people think like us. troops don't live in box. truth is everywhere. i'm researching and i'll be looking for you again right here, where i hope to provide a direct impact. the

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