the underground broadcasting goal around the wells are due by in the u. a while, while some consider rusher in china is winning this phase of world war 3. it was all, give me the watch. wendell was world war one that comes to mind this. we make a soldiers have been involved in violence just a few 100 miles from sarajevo. now nato is to add hundreds of soldiers to its thousands in cause of a lot even recognized as a country by the u. n. o bricks, countries. it was arguably illegally under the un. jobs are recognized by nature of ours, before the destruction of europe. certainly constitutionally searching the state you can solve your. joining me now from new york city is on following the president of the un general assembly, as well as one of the foreign minister. so it'd be a book you ever mention out president of the people's posse in serbia and the sense that for international relations and sustainable development. thank you so much look for uh, coming on the situation moving very fast. uh, as i understand it in the northern cause of it before we even get to the context, i better as what, what has been named recent weeks. the scale of the violence by an agent back to

albania. melisha is i suppose, in northern cause of a as well as thank you 1st and for most, for having me on the show. it's a, it's a privilege to be here and have this conversation. essentially what has been happening in the last few weeks in kosovo is that the, europe's most oppressed ethnic group is actually uh, brother competition. and then i think a lot of competition for that. yeah. well i, well enough part of the world for sure. and i'm talking about comfortable shirts, comfortable shirts, who are basically the most endangered ethnic group in the region. you will of, of the balkans if you well, so they are rising against a complete deprivation of dear basic human rights. and what happened was that the nato troops were called in to, to come down to push them away from,

to places where they were protesting. and the come treaty rough uh, at a certain point. why and how are they oppressed? and of course, some people are asking, why did they reject the different, i mean we, we have to sort of get on to what cause of it actually is given, obviously as use from the you a. but of course, the global south has very different ideas as to what the cost of oh is. it was a suddenly became a country in the ninety's, but isn't the country to the u. n. a. albion kazi, gold elections? why did they boy quote the elections of this, the press? why didn't they vote for someone they wanted? are they located? i really was do say, i really do think we need to take a few steps back into and to basically say that the customer is not the state. it is unfortunately recognized as an independent country by a number of powerful western capitals i'd say. but the vast majority of

the world population and member states of the united nations as well. i do not recognize the cost of the way the state should be and does not recognize the cost of other states for us uh, coding for zill, rush or in the institutional territory. notice the rush or the or the china like 3 quarters of africa. 4 fifths of latin america, vast majority of asian countries do not recognize the car in the winter of the game . but then who is this album, courtesy, person who says it is a completely independent state. it is an extraneous politician uh, albanian ethnic politician so extreme that even the biggest sponsors of casa bos, independence, and the supporters, of course, oh, independence, led by the united states of america,

are having issues with him and don't know how to deal with him. she is currently leading the so called government of course a lot of he's the so called prime minister of kosovo. but uh, a guy who has in the past year and a half shown very, very openly and blatantly that he wouldn't have any of the sort of being demands reasonable demands balance demands met uh no matter what the cost is, even if you lose the support of the united states, he wants to see customer without shirts. he wants to see greater of being near being created by means of putting together, unite, uniting, albania, and the so called cost of the integrator of being here. and as a result, as she is mindless decision a few days ago to send a police cost of

a police force to uh, entered the buildings of the municipal authorities and been north of the cost of a we are having these problems that we can investigate because he says he can put an install albanians in that area or is a veteran, a municipality, even though 3.4 percent of the vote they got i'll give you that is because the a, as subs their boy go to the vote though, of course. so this is all happening, but salting, bug sends it, i mean and wouldn't have done so without washington's approval. no matter what way . hearing about the us and bass, the jeffery of any a saying hey uh, how being good. he uh, go to overstep them all. look here against, uh, so be i should say wiki leeks is exposed. uh, i'll be in courtesy as a person who was involved in activities that worried the state department years ago

with the leaks the person in a company. that, of course, revealed lots of the american policy. how, how do you think good. the discussions went on in brussels, that just oldenburg presumably took a phone call from blinking while blinking publicly says, steady on, they send in, what does the 700 troops mostly was young, italian man on gary and men into kosovo, to hit ethically. so people there on the board. well, uh my opinion is that the western leaders enter crafts like uh, including those that you mentioned. they really don't know how to handle career t right now they, they made this frankenstein. uh, they helped him become the so called prime minister of the so called cost of the government. and now he is behaving really as if he

is a leader of uh, independent state and is not is no longer listening as to the former public masters. if you will, so they are becoming a little bit nervous, but essentially what you have in comfortable because you were mentioning these elections that were a boy cottage and they'll be in, in may years in the northern municipalities, they claim their mandate based on the 3 percent of the votes that ain't gotten so on so forth. essentially what you have in kosovo is a combination of a part, hide and palestine. for practical purposes, you will have basically serves who live in gatos serbs who are deprived of their most basic human rights surgeon churches that are in a very,

very difficult situation. even when the so called comfortable court makes a certain decision when it comes to say the property of serbs or it should be in churches, these decisions and the court are simply not implemented just because the beneficiaries are serves or through the in church. so basically they have no basic human rights. it's a, it's an outrages situation for europe of the 21st century. and now on top of all that you haven't extremes albanian customer so called prime minister, who simply wants to push them out altogether to have comfortable with that service . and that is a little too hard to digest, even for the staunchest supporters. of course of all independence, including the western leaders and director asked if you had just much, obviously deny being an extreme missing from me say is a proud the costs of him and his sponsors, the european union,

and the united states and britain would say, that's just not where you are aware of the kind of propaganda, arguably, the anti sub propaganda that since the 1990s has painted this, it'd be in the community in your up as um, as genocide also might say, you might want to tell me of what you, what do you think about the propaganda? un security council resolution one to full? i mean, come on. sorry sir, for sure. for just in truth and you be good because what comes to mind to my mind when you were mentioning this? as i don't know if you check what happened earlier this week in paris window like joke rich is playing as is a big tennis champion. and at the end of the, the match, you know that the tennis players, they approach the camera, they say a few words and the camera, and they also write a few words on the camera. so what the now look joe, can make sure no, it was cost of it was the height of 3 be please bring peace.

and now he is attacked. he's the way the media and neither nation media, you know, because he was calling for beats like, i mean, that's the level of propaganda that we are talking about when it comes to when it comes to the cost of though unfortunately, serves have been betrayed for the past 30 years as that so a negative actor after to be blamed for every single thing. of course, there is a part of the playing on the serbian side for things for certain things and how your so be an organization already took the position to read it, but i'm sorry, go to ask you and i have to say as regards the quarter, a piece in your a, but you know, what, look what happened to china when it wants to go off a piece of might say you in security council resolution 1244. and you know,

who can answer these questions about the you and better than f one, the president, all of the un general assembly permits via this is presumably why they agreed to it because it goes some people in the global south to wonder how on earth, the bell great ever agreed to the kind of terms of a politician that happened, but we don't wanna go that a lot of history that it permits. it'd be just and 1000 people to protect some sub civilians from arguable nato regression. would you say that the voltage in belgrade should be sending? i mean, he says he's been sending the troops to the board. should he be sending the 1000 people into the area called costco, to protect the men women and children of this up community. the, in this situation, slightly more complex. uh, because if you read the fine print, uh, the small print, if you will, up to 1244 resolution. it actually defines the conditions under which,

uh, those troops can be sent ink across the roll. and note the with the, the agreement with the needle with k for mandate. so it is not possible to just like, uh, send in the troops uh, the lagrange elizabeth without consultation their new, like all of us. and then is there a new one says to one, but just make sure yeah, of course, but like this would be the 1st violation resolution $1244.00. because the, the cost of those declaration of independence itself and the recognitions of costs of all by a number of western powers, where blinking violation of the resolution, 1244. so what you're referring to would not be the 1st violation of the resolution . $1244.00, but doubts that president voltage is going to do that. and the reason why i doubt it is that i don't have a very high opinion of his freedom to act right now. and he's readiness

to act solely in the interest of distributed people uncomfortable. okay, are image, i'll stop you the more from the former. so it'd be in foreign minister and presidents of the un general assembly after this break. the in the western expectation was that pressure will be disassembled, lies by extreme sanctions and the military losses. uh, there was an expectation that the pressure wouldn't be able to continue the war flight longer than a for

a period of time longer than probably couple of months. the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk the welcome back to going. i'm the guy and i'm still here with the president of you in general, assembly book you are mich. well, international courts of course, have justified the natural recognition, as you say, to some in violation of un security council resolution one to full full of costs of

over the country in the 1st place. of course, many in the global south. most of the world, as you know, is going to be looking at this situation. where in this region with the assassination about shoot friendswood and a good, a 109 years ago, i think this week, they're going to be going. this is because, alexander village, it a proportion of via the majority, some would say, do not agree with nato policy on ukraine. and that the southern announcements by blinking pointy geoffrey, of any of us about to, to cause of a saying, look, pike down is they con, have a 2nd front against russia because they see sylvia has not properly aligned to the cause of the delay. and joseph ball, roland, and the god and against the jungle. again, uh, the court, the decision that your trade to uh, when carefully read. uh,

truly uh, supports the serbian argument that this cost of a cannot become a state. uh, you know, actually, because it says in the decision of the court from 2010 that the state must be determined by the security council. so, based on the courts view, castillo has never been recognized by a significant number of countries. after that, the court's ruling, i don't have a job, i have outlined them since you are a former president and gunner and assembly, did you ever have coffee in the car doors of, of you in building in new york about this subject? did people go from britain to the united states and from say, you know, you're talking nonsense. i mean you, you nearly became secretary general. of course, maybe that was why you didn't make, i'm saying i was genuine gutierrez' that yeah, i was i,

i made it to the final though, and then i would you think, is this view on the cost of a, this view and cost of, of this stuff to becoming secondary, generally, the united nations, it probably had to do with my stronger using castillo, which i never shied away from, from saying um, but uh, the fast, the majority of world countries. they see this uh at face value. uh, what was done in 2008 with the, you know, actual declaration of independence, of cost of oh. and then subsequent recognition by the united states of america, united kingdom and a number of other western allies was, uh, was addressed as into epic proportions. it was the very, very 1st time that somebody tried to create the state in the aftermath of the 2nd world war using those, you know, actual means against the role of the security council against the will of the

majority of the world nations. so what do you realize, how many, many years down the road is that possible cannot actually become a state without through be accepting it. so the only way for costs of to become an independent state proper to become a member of the national community is if serbia actually accepts this and that was a, that's the reason why the pressure is sort of yet are, are so big because they realize they can't, there's no other way an alternative way would be to, you know, go to the security council and, you know, i'm the day i exactly for them. then you have to permanent members of the security council. that is russia and china did have said time. and again, we are going to vote okay, well yeah,

if it's about sub yeah. then what pressure can they do? the european union put to destabilize it'd be, what can they do to belgrade, i know is your opponent, but the village has managed to balance things better than i don't know with you and be that position whether you think you could have done better. but it's quite a position to hold in belgrade to uh, try and look forward to a multiple, a weld at the same time as anyone who looks towards a multiple world is arguably considered a proxy of beijing. and then moscow right now. well, i actually think i quite differently, i think that which is the west best and only hope to deliver not just the independence of causal, but also membership with serbia in the nato in the future as well as the resolution. he would deny that, you know, he would just die that in the strongest terms, he would deny that. i mean,

would you ever say this about the north stream pipeline no politician in the world, the in the world is ignorant of who committed sabotaged in the baltic, but we will pretend to be imbeciles and keep silent, so as not to harm the entrance of our country's ball cuz he is everywhere, even if this happens to the bulk and the stream, the tuck stream, we would somehow survive because it goes to being report recently of perhaps the attempt to sabotage objects, stream pipelines. and that's not really going to into your himself, to of, on the land and still bug and blinking by them. is it? yes, but the that's what we would use. embrace on north street. yes. but they do yes. but they do embrace and need to embrace and most where they're working together very, very closely with him. he seems to be their darling and serve you. and the reason is that a big deal between the serbian government, led by mortgage in the west, is the following. you can basically go and say whatever you like,

but we want you to deliver. we want you to do what we tell you the sanctions on. so it has about the size so uh so basically uh on the one hand uh he has agreed to the uh, to completely outrageous term of the uh, agreement between serbia and costs of oh, that would actually make sure that it costs a little bit comes in independent states and i am referring to process an alternate agreements done on the distortion of the european special representative um, actually one part of this agreement that the voltage can agree to is that certainly? yeah, well, not unblock a customer from joining international organizations. you remember a minute ago we were talking about how close a little can become mistake. well, only for a security council and the security council, you're from russia and china,

who are saying we're going to do what serve you ask us to do it. well, mister voltage just agreed to like not blocking uh, also an international organization. so for as long as you commit to things like that, you are okay to say in your media. whatever you like. okay, well anyway, i guess you had deal with you maybe having, you know, may have said that they obviously the, even if a future president of a and so it'd be a said that i don't think this ethnic insurance, they would allow it. well generally, how do you think the ukraine conflict, what it means for the serbian people? i know i'm speaking to you from the you a, it's a big donor. just beyond the levels i may say of a few dry m f level. um, would you certainly say that they should be not using the i m f money for development, and so it'd be they should be using either you a investment or breaks bank investment safe or bad?

i don't think that the ways are big dorner. it certainly present financially present economically. i don't think that there are huge donations these days coming into sort of don't donation because nobody in the past months. yes, of course that's close, but that's quite different. you know, and their loans and loans in loans and their terms insurance and turn the wheel. no, biomass loans and what happens in the countries? yeah, well, it's a, it's a long story when it comes to economics. but when it comes to this war in ukraine, which is what you ask um, i think that the public opinion in serbia is distinctly different from public opinions and most other european countries. but what is it? because there was an antique, there was a big demonstration against the government. and then we saw the pictures, which would not obviously shown on european union that i'll give

a controlled media of a massive support of the. so it'd be in position. you would say some would say pro vision share position in, so it'd be a demonstration of the kind of unity is it. is there a great unity or is it demographically split fee between pro you and you live in a? well, we currently know we currently have big demonstrations in serbia against the governments of alexander boy g. brett, it has nothing to do with a foreign policy. serbia, so i'm one of those demonstrators. my party is one of the main organizers of these relays and when it comes from policy, i'm very, very strongly my party is very, very strongly against capitalism. attendance, my party is very, very strongly against imposing sanctions on anybody in the well given that experience of serbia understanding should be the unity was it was, it was dramatic time for unity when the strain and stress on bell grade has never given me being as harsh since, since the bombing of bell,

great. well being of the chinese and the, or i think it's over dramatic. it's is not true that the pressure in belgrade has never been higher. i was for a ministry at the time when pressure is, were far more higher. far more strong and from the cost of those, you know, actual declaration of independence. those days you had the american secretary of state uh, shipping costs of oh, and the independence of coastal as number one priority on her schedule. right now, secretary of state of the united states has quite a number of other things to deal with. so i think that that when you hear from the leaders of the serbian government, starting with mr. voltage at pos for unit 8, and i think it so many pollution. i think it's, uh, it's a terrible manipulation. what we need right now uh is, uh, is, is

a change that would bring about the government in serbia. that is not a problem for uh for in black mail, for him, for him blackmail or being pressurising to things that are against national interest. well, that's what the main question then is to a former foreign minister from that country, but also do have over president the un general assembly is which way. so it'd be a would have voted s $11.00 for the invoice, representing most of humanity, voted not with the americans to condemn russia if so what was happening in ukraine? would you have voted with the, with the americans? so just for the record, because we were debating mr. mortgages. foreign policy. uh, outlook. uh sure. again, loaded with the united states of america on that particular resolution. but the way that the people of the sort of you see this more in ukraine is essentially

something very similar to what happened to us in the 9099, just because in 9099 there was a foreign military intervention. uh there was done without the agreement of the security council, so need to basically bombed sort of yeah, for about $76.00 days. and the result of this special military operation of nato. if you really made a 99, i was a serious infringement of the territorial integrity of a you and the member state surgeon. so what's happening right now when you agree? uh we see something very similar and, and therefore it, it kinda creates outraging sarabia when we hear in the western media. oh, what is happening in ukraine is the 1st time since the end of the 2nd one

word and a country is attacked and that the borders are attempted to be forcefully changed. what would happen to us and we live with this to this very day. and, and, and therefore, therefore, therefore, therefore, the public opinion of this kind of different, instead of being from a public opinion, is that under your country's hook there much, thank you. thank you very much. and that's it for the show will be back on monday with dr. harry and fraud hosting forecasts capitalism and so on the day the u. s. is scheduled to run out of money without raising the death limits until then you can keep in touch with my social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to a channel going on the ground tv on rumbled up. com to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday the the,

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