hi mass, sooner than saying welcome back to going underground broadcast to go around the world for do by in the you a while, while some consider rusher in china is winning this phase of world war 3, it was all, give me the watch. wendell was world war one that comes to mind this week make a soldiers have been involved in violence just a few 100 miles from sarajevo. now, nato is to add hundreds of soldiers to its thousands in cause of a lot even recognized as a country by the u. n. o bricks, countries, it was arguably illegally under the un. shots are recognized by nature of ours before the destruction of europe. certainly, constitutionally, socialist states, you can solve your, joining me now from new york city is all following the president of the un general assembly, as well as one of the foreign minister sub you. will you ever mention out president of the people's posse in serbia and the center for international relations and sustainable development? thank you so much. look for uh, coming on. the situation moving very fast. uh, as i understand it in the northern cause of it before we even get to the context,

i better as what, what has been named recent weeks. the scale of the violence by an agent back to albania. melisha is i suppose, in northern cause of a as well as thank you 1st and for most, for having me on the show. it's a, it's a privilege to be here and have this conversation. essentially what has been happening in the last few weeks and kosovo is that the europe's most oppressed ethnic group is actually uh, brother competition. and i know i think a lot of competition for that. yeah. well i, well enough part of the world for sure. and i'm talking about comfortable shirts, comfortable shirts, who are basically the most endangered ethnic group in the region. well, of the balkans, if you well, so the are rising against a complete deprivation of deer basic human rights. and what happened was

that the nato troops were called in to a, to come down to push them away from to places where they were protesting. and the come treaty, well uh at a certain point, why and how of a oppressed and of course some people are asking why did they reject the different? i mean, we, we have to sort of get onto what cause of it actually is given, obviously as you from the you a, but of course the global south has very different ideas as to what cost of, oh is it was a suddenly became a country in the ninety's, but isn't the country to the un. albin kazi, gold elections? why did they boy quote the elections of this are pressed? why didn't they vote for someone they wanted? hey look i, i really was do think i really do think we need to take a few steps back into and to basically say that the customer is not the state.

it is unfortunately recognized as an independent country by a number of par for western capitals. i'd say, but the vast majority of the world population and member states of the united nations as well. i do not recognize cause of the way the state struby and does not recognize close under state for us. uh, code is will rush or anytime situational terraces. noticed the rush or the, or the china, like 3 quarters of africa, 4 fifths of latin america. vast majority of asian countries do not recognize the car to interrupt in. but then who is this? albin, courtesy, person who says it is a completely independent state as uh, as an extremist politician ah, albanian ethnic politician so extreme that even the biggest sponsor is

of course of those independence and the supporters of coastal independence land by the united states of america are having issues with him and don't know how to deal with him. he is currently leading the so called government of course a lot of he's the so called prime minister of kosovo. but uh, a guy who has in the past year and a half shown very, very openly and blatantly that he wouldn't have any of the serbian demands. reasonable demands, balance, demands met. uh, no matter what the cost is, even if you lose the support of the united states. he wants to see customer without shirts. he wants to see greater of being near being created by means of putting together unite, uniting, albania, and the so called cost of the integrator, albania, and as a result, f, a, she is mindless decision

a few days ago to send a police gustovo police force to entered the buildings of the municipal authorities and been north of the cost of a we are having these problems that we can invest because he says he can put in install albanians in that area or is a veteran, a municipality, even though 3.4 percent of the vote they got, i'll give you that is because the a, as subs there, boy go to the vote though, of course. so this is all happening, but salt and bug sends it. i mean, and wouldn't have done so without washington's approval. no matter what way. hearing about the us and basset jeffery. of any a saying, hey uh, how being courtesy. uh, go to overstep them all. look here against. uh, so it'd be a, i should say. wiki leeks has exposed a albin, courtesy as

a person who was involved in activities that were the state department years ago with the leaks the person. it's in a company that of course, revealed lots of the american policy. how. how do you think good. the discussions went on in brussels that just don't, but presumably took a phone call from blinking while blinking publicly says steady on they send in, what does the 700 troops mostly was young, italian man on gary and men into cost of old to hit ethically. so people there on the board. well, uh my opinion is that the western leaders and the crafts. uh, like, uh, including those that you mentioned, they really don't know how to handle career tea right now. they, they made this frankenstein. uh, they helped him become the so called prime minister of the so called cost of the

government. and now he is behaving really as if he is a leader of the independent state and is not is no longer listening as to the former public masters. if you will, so they are coming a little bit nervous, but essentially what you have in comfortable because you were mentioning these elections that were a boy cottage and the o. b. and may or is in the northern municipalities. they claim they are men, they based on the 3 percent of the folks that they've gotten, so and so forth. essentially what you have in kosovo is a combination of apartheid and palestine. for practical purposes. you have basically shirts for living gatos serbs who are deprived of their most basic human rights. certainly in churches

that are uh, in a very, very difficult situation. even when the so called comfortable court makes a certain decision, when it comes to say the property serves or it should be in churches, these decisions and the court are simply not implemented just because the beneficiaries are serves or through the and church. so basically they have no basic human rights . it's a, it's an outrages situation for europe of the 21st century. and now on top of all that you have an extremist albanian custom also called prime minister, who simply wants to push them out altogether to have comfortable with that service . and that is a little too hard to digest, even for the staunchest supporters. of course of all independence, including the west and leaders and director asked if you have just much obviously

deny being an extreme missing from me say is a proud the costs of him and his sponsors, the european union, and the united states. and brittany would say, that's just not where you are aware of the kind of propaganda, arguably, the sub propaganda that since the 1990s is painted this, it'll be in the community in europe as, as genocide also might say, you might want to tell me of what you, what do you think about the propaganda? un security council resolution one to full for income? i'm sorry sir, for it to read for just interesting. you be good because what comes to mind to my mind when you were mentioning this, as i don't know if you check what happened earlier this week in paris window like jokers which is playing as is a big tennis champion. and at the end of the, the match, you know that the tennis players, they approach the camera, they say a few words and the camera, and they also write a few words on the camera. so what the hell of joe can make sure?

no, it was cost of always the hardest to review. please bring peace. and now he is attacked. he's the media and neither nation media, you know, because he was calling should be like, i mean, that's the level of propaganda that we are talking about when it comes to when it comes to kosovo, unfortunately, serves have been betrayed for the past 30 years as that sold a negative actor after to be blamed for every single thing. of course, there is a part of the plain one, disturb you inside for things, for certain things and how your show being opened. veteran already took the position and read it, but i've tried go to ask you, and i have to say as regards the quarter or piece in your book, you know what,

look what happens at china when it wants to go for peace. i might say you end security council resolution 1244 and you know, who can answer these questions about the you and better than f on the president of the you in general, assembly permits via this is presumably why they agreed to it because it goes some people in the global south to wonder how on a smell great ever agreed to the kind of terms of a politician that happened. but we don't wanna go that a lot of history that it permits, it'd be just, and 1000 people to protect sub sub civilians from arguable nature aggression. would you say that every church in belgrade should be sending? i mean, he says he's been sending the troops to the border. should he be sending the 1000 people into the area called costs of o to protect the men women and children of this up community the of the situation slightly more complex. uh, because if you read the fine print uh, the small print, if you will, up to 1244 resolution,

it actually defines the conditions under which, uh, those troops can be sent into costs of roll. and note with the, the agreement with nato, with k, for mandate. so, uh, it is not possible to just like, uh, send in the troops. uh, you will address it, isn't it without consultation, then you like all of us that is there a nuances to one but it's just, it's julia of course, but like this wouldn't be the 1st violation resolution 1244 because the, the cost of those declaration of independence itself and the recognition of the cost of all by a number of western powers, where blinking violation of the resolution, 1244. so what you're referring to would not be the 1st violation of the resolution . $1244.00, but doubts that present voltage is going to do that. and the reason why

i doubt it is that i don't have him give a higher opinion of his freedom to act right now. and he's readiness to pack solely in the interest of distributed people. uncomfortable, okay, are image, i'll stop you the more from the former, so it'd be in foreign minister and presidents of the un general assembly after this break the a hi, acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show

. seriously, why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do you have the state department c, i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you think. welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the president of you in general, assembly book your mich. well, international quotes of course, have justified the natural recognition, as you say, to some in violation of un security council resolution one to full full of costs of over the country in the 1st place. of course, many in the global south. most of the world, as you know,

is going to be looking at this situation. where in this region with the assassination allows you friendswood and a good 109 years ago, i think this week they going to be going. this is because alexander village and a proportion of serbia, the majority some would say, do not agree with nature policy on ukraine. and that the sudden announcements by blinking pointy, jeffrey, of any of us investor at the cause of a saying the pipe down is they con, have a 2nd front against russia because they see so be as not properly aligned to the cause of the delay. and joseph burrell and, and the god and against the jungle. a big data of the court, the decision that you're 3 to uh, when carefully read uh, truly, uh, supports this or being argumentative it's possible cannot become a state uh,

you know, actually because it says in the decision of the court from 2010 that the state must be determined by the security council. so based on the courts, you cross of law has never been recognized by a significant number of countries. after that the court's ruling doing a good job. i have outlined the welcome since you are a former president and gunner and assembly, did you ever have coffee in the car doors of the you in building in new york about this subject? did people go from britain to the united states in front say, you know, you're talking nonsense. i mean you, you nearly became secretary general. of course. maybe that was why you didn't becomes i was genuine and gutierrez's, but yeah, i was i, i made it to the final though. and then i would you think it's vis. view and comfortable this viewing cause of, of this stuff to you,

becoming secretary general of the united nations. it probably had to do with my strongly using castillo, which i never shied away from, from saying, um, but uh, the fast, the majority of world countries. they see this uh at face value. uh, what was done in 2008 with the, you know, actual declaration of independence, of cost of oh. and then subsequent recognition by the united states of america, united kingdom and a number of other western allies was, uh, was addressed as into the epic proportions. it was the very, very 1st time that somebody tried to create the state in the aftermath of the 2nd world war using those, you know, actual means against the role of the security council against the will of the majority of the world nations. so when they realize that many, many years down the road is that comfortable cannot actually become

a state we got through the accepting it. so the only way for costs of to become an independent state proper to become a member of the national community is if serbia actually accepts this and that was a, that's the reason why the pressure is sort of yet are, are so big because they realize they can't, there's no other way an alternative way would be to, you know, go to the security council and you know, how you really, i exactly with them. then you have to permanent members of the security council that is russia and china did have said time. and again, we are going to vote okay, well maybe if it's about sub yeah. and then what pressure can nato, the european union put to destabilize? it'd be, what can they do to bel grades?

i know is your opponent, but the village has managed to balance things better than i don't know whether you envy that position, whether you think you could have done better. but it's quite a position to hold in belgrade to uh, try and look forward to a multiple, a weld at the same time as anyone who looks towards a multiple world is arguably considered a proxy of beijing. and then moscow right now. well, i actually think i quite differently, i think that which is west best and only hope to deliver not just the independence of causal, but also membership with serbia in the nato in the future as well as resolution. he would deny that, you know, you were denied that in the strongest terms, he would deny that. i mean, would you ever say this about the north stream pipeline no politician in the world's, the, in the world is ignorant of who committed sabotaged in the baltic. but we will

pretend to be imbeciles and keep silent, so as not to harm the interests of all countries. hypocrisy is everywhere. even if this happens to the bulk and the stream, the tuck stream, we would somehow survive because it goes to being report recently of perhaps the attempted sabotage of tech stream pipelines. that's not really going to into your himself, to of, on the land in stone. but again, blinking, and by them is it? yes, but the that's we would use embrace on north street. yes. but they don't. yes. but they do embrace and need to embrace in most where they're working together very, very closely with him. he seems to be there. they're like, and 30th. and the reason is that a big deal between the serbian government, led by mortgage in the west, is the following. you can basically go and say, whatever you like, but we want you to deliver. we want you to do what we tell you the sanctions on. so

here's what the federal so basically uh, on the one hand, uh, he has agreed to the completely outrageous term of the uh, agreement between serbia and cost of oh, that would actually make sure that costs a little, becomes an independent states. and i am referring to process an alternate agreements done under the stewardship of the european special representative um, actually one part of this agreement that the voltage has agreed to. is that certain yet? well, not unblock across the hall from joining international organizations. you remember a minute ago we were talking about how close of all can become mistake. well, only for a security council in the security council, you can brush, i'm china who are saying, we're going to do what serve you ask us to do well, mr. voltage just agreed to like, not locking uh,

also in international organization. so for as long as you commit to things like that, you are okay to say in your media. whatever you like. okay. well anyway, i guess, yeah, deal with the midway. having, you know, may have said that they obviously the, even if a future president of the, at so it'd be a said that i don't think this ethnic insurance they would allow, it will generally how do you think the ukraine conflict, what it means for the sub young people, i know i'm so we can do from the you a big donor just beyond the levels. i'm a see of a few dry m f level. um, would you certainly say that they should be no using the i m f, money for development. and so it'd be, they should be using either you a investment or breaks bank investment safe or bad? i don't think that to you is a big dorner and certainly present the financially present economically.

i don't think that there are huge donations these days coming into sort of don't donation because the in the past months. yes, of course that's close, but that's quite different. you know, and their loans and loans in loans and their terms insurance and turn the wheel. no biomass loans and what happens in countries? yeah, well, it's a, it's a long story when it comes to economics. but when it comes to this war in ukraine, which is which yes. um, i think the public opinion in serbia is uh distinctly different uh from public opinions and most other european countries. but what is it? because there was an antique, there was a big demonstration against the government. and then we saw the pictures, which would not obviously shown on european union that i'll give a controlled media of a massive supports of the. so it'd be in position. you would say someone say pro vision share position in. so it'd be

a demonstration of the kind of unity is. is there a great unity or is it demographically, a split fee between pro you and you live in a? well, we currently know we currently have big demonstrations in serbia against the government of alexander for g. brent. it has nothing to do with a foreign policy. serbia. so i'm one of those demonstrators. my party is one of the main organizers of these relays and when it comes from policy, i'm very, very strongly my party is very, very strongly engaged because it wasn't the attendance. my party is very, very strongly against imposing sanctions on anybody in the well, given that experience of serbia understanding should be the unity was was it was dramatic time for unity when the strain and stress on bell grade has never given me being as harsh since since the bombing of bell, great bombing of the chinese and the i think it's over dramatic. it's is not

true that the pressure in belgrade has never been higher. i was for a ministry at the time when pressure as were far more higher, far more strong. and from the cost of those, you know, actual declaration of independence, those days you had the american secretary of state uh, healing cost of oh, and the independence of coastal as number one priority on her schedule. right now the secretary of state of the united states has quite a number of other things to deal with. so i think that that when you hear from the leaders of the serbian government, starting with mr. voltage at pos for unit 8. i think it some minutes relation. i think it's, uh, it's a terrible manipulation. what we need right now uh is, uh, is, is a change that would bring about the government in serbia. that is not

a problem for uh for in black mail, for him, for him blackmail or being pressure rising to things that are against national interest. well, that's what the main question then is to a former foreign minister from that country, but also do have over president the un general assembly is which way. so it'd be a would have voted s $11.00 for the invoice, representing most of humanity, voted not with the americans to condemn russia for what was happening in ukraine. would you have voted with the, with the americans? so just for the record, because we were debating mr. mortgages. foreign policy uh, outlook cert, getting loaded with the united states of america on that particular resolution. but the way that the people of the sort of you see this more in ukraine is essentially something very similar to what happened to us in the 9099,

just because in 9099 there was a foreign military intervention. uh there was done without the agreement of the security council. so natal basically bombed sarabia for about $76.00 days. and the result of this special military operation of nato. if you really made a 99, it was a serious infringement of the territorial integrity of a you and the member state surgeon. so what's happening right now when you agree? uh we see something very similar and, and therefore it, it's kinda creates outraging sarabia when we hear in the western media. oh, what is happening in ukraine is the 1st time since the end of the 2nd one word of the country is attacked and that the borders are attempted to

be forcefully changed while it happens to us. and we live with this to this very day. and and, and therefore, therefore therefore, therefore the public opinion is kind of different in serbia from a public opinion is that under your countries hook, jeremy ch, thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show will be back on monday, will talk to harry and fraud, hosting forecasts capitalism and so on the day the us was scheduled to run out of money without raising the debt limits until then you can keep in touch with my social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to have channel going on, the ground tv on rumbled up. com to watch new and old episodes of going underground to you. monday. the the

the western expectation was that pressure will be disassembled, lies by extreme sanctions. and the, they mean the 3 losses. uh, there was an expectation that the pressure wouldn't be able to continue the war like longer than a, for a period of time longer than probably couple of months the

on the india. so if, if this was trained is also in decades, but this told, well, i think the 288 nitty 1000 in j o says how many got bein, toy ctf should back into was evacuated to you, to shell in staying in one place. is desirable for no more within a few minutes. russian civilians evacuated from parts of the build the road region increasing, selling from across the boulder by the ukrainian military using western supply. but the youtube scrap this policy.