uh, maybe uh, you know, being more channels lives looking like a human or, or what have you there. yes. you know, you could have someone looking like a robots out there right now. robotics is that a very interesting place at a very exciting phase. generally in the world and of course, battle and war is one of the applications. but human toys looking robots have been becoming popular. you know, we started with that. it was a robot called us of the a few years ago that the world was fascinated that i'm talking 5 years ago. i flew there fascinated with associates a robot. but now you have other things such as boston. they met the damage that was bought by google. you have a navy, a very human looking robot, and others that are now going to be that are now going to inspire this generation of robots. that just means like humans that do uh, seems like humans pick up objects of data, need bombs and what have you. so, so there's a lot happening within robotics and it's not just

a war. it's not just going out in the battlefield. but just all of those things associated with a situation like a war, but maybe you need to rescue people where you need to go on a recon mission where you need to maybe have a disaster that's happening in turkey as, as the earthquake and so on. so everybody's generally is changing fast, and i think we're headed in for an exciting, an interesting time when it comes to utilizing technology. gina, the upper upper hand of technology companies are going to play a big part in all of this. coming up next, p t. s d has affected thousands of soldiers who saw combat 1st hands. but now even soldiers who never set foot on the battlefield, save their sufferings. find out how next we'll discuss it with in con when we return the type, the m. o will be right back. the

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the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy on foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk

the the welcome back to the m o i manila chant. so there's a new kind of p t s d taking shape from soldiers who have virtual blood on their hands. well, more technology on the battlefield, absolved them of this trauma or just make the cost of war that much greater a futurist and tech expert in con is still with us. so in, because a, i and autonomous systems are so expensive and hard to develop. only west. well, the western countries, primarily including the us, um, or we can say china, the u a e, the saudis, and so forth. i mean, they all have them. but does that necessarily mean conventional warfare is over,

or is there a possibility that human fighters revel group soldiers can a fight back against what some might describe as a tech tyranny by the rich. so technology is primarily being developed in the rest. and we're talking about the developed countries and merrick, uh, china, a big, big, big creator and, and uh, these for research for emerging, checked off france, germany, u. k. i name it the, the advanced company of countries are, have, have the resources, they have the institutions, they have the infrastructure to go about and do research. and it's not just creating that ends in having factories that, that, that can be veterinary. but it's really about access to technology licensing that technology. oh, naturally many companies and providers within, within the security industry are based out of these countries because of ease of

manufacturing and so on. big tank manufacturers or a fighter jet manufacturers. they're very selective places where these, these things are being produced. and so we have to look at that, the infrastructure piece of it, when it comes to other countries that purchase arms, that purchase safety, security equipment that's used in battle that's used to protect their countries, from threats and so on. everybody's a buyer, everybody who has how the economy from india to us, singapore, to, uh, you know, finland, uh everybody who's there who wants to have the edge there for touring. that's and read their, procuring all kinds of athens. and so it really depends on what's a, what's your plan, what kind of an active war state are you in right now and how much of a priority for your nation is spending on war? for example, america spend trillions of dollars in the past couple of decades when it comes to war. and they have invested heavily into, you know,

for turing new new weapons and so on. when comes to the middle east, everybody's a buyer. when it comes to asia, everybody's a lot buyer. china is of course a producer and a very big producer consumer, a buyer of arms in general. so you know what? it's, it's all over the place. it's everywhere in the world as far as buyers, everywhere. there's a few sellers off of the technology, and those are primarily in the best we throw around the term killer robots pretty loosely. but when we're talking about the future of warfare, it has to include intelligence collection data and so forth. so we're not only talking about, you know, terminator 2 movie characters, we're talking about spyware, eyes in the sky, listening technology. what is that realm of? tak, look like these days. how are these tech companies collecting intelligence? that's then being shared with agencies like the pencil gone, the ca, or,

and my 6 also big question, who's collecting what information. uh, we really can't tell you really can't tell because that's literally hidden behind the walls of and so many layers of, of, of, of, you know, the unknown. well, we can tell is that the world today is powered by data as it has never been before, right. data plays a crucial role in everything that we do from, you know, watching out of your house and driving to your work and working and doing, and being contributor just as i, the, to buying a house, travelling in anything. and everything is dictated by data in the, in recent years we've heard about big data and, and a bunch of those terms that are used in social media. but that's another part of a type of data that's emerging. now i mentioned the smart cities in cognitive cities earlier, and that's where a lot more data and information is being generated on a daily basis. for example, if you take a flight from new york to london, that's like that aircraft

a generates about 10 gigabytes of data in that slight approximately. and. busy that data is then used to analyze like patterns and efficiency and so on. so even our aircraft, the generating so much data these days of utilizing data of any kind to do something specific is not new. and when it comes to, you know, war and espionage and listening technology has generally improved and, and scaled a lot. uh, you know, not talking about hardware, but talking about the software side of things. you can now have analysis of audio or video. you can enhance it like never before. and what is also happening is that, um, you know, generated an e, i of where were deep 6 are now emerging, where you can seek being a person seek, being, uh, you know, sounding like a specific person. that does want to play a crucial role in espionage and,

and in misinformation and this information in the future. and so, oh, there's so many layers of it and so many different ways you can analyze it. but uh, things are becoming creepy and tricky. at the same time when it comes to the usage of information. um, you know, i reminds me off of the tv series black mirror that had a few seasons a day or 2 years ago. it's, it's intriguing how information is being used would be used potentially in the future. so show, based on future scenarios off of the what the world could be. and so i'd highly recommend your viewers watching it. oh yeah we, we know that home products like amazon's alexa can listen in on your home conversations. anyone with nefarious goals can tap into innocent products and, and use that for an ethical purposes. which leads to my next question actually in terms of ethics of autonomous weapons. what does that really mean or what

does it look like to someone in your field? is it, is it even possible to program technology, to say, recognize the difference between an enemy combatant versus a civilian who perhaps as fits a similar description and how they look. i mean, how do you prevent that guy from being killed instead of this guy over here? so when we talked about ethical e, i it's, it's a field that's very under developed right now. there's a huge amount of bias, a with an e i n a i systems, irrespective of all the work that's being incredible work that's being done to develop a i, uh, we still are not able to, uh, count a i r e i itself is not able to go out there and, and figure out the good from the bad. see a artificial intelligence systems work on training data. they work on a lot of information that is fed into a system of the systems program to algorithms,

to learn different things that are happening to them, the data and make relationships between the data and to design based on the algorithm and action it and outcomes. when it comes to ethically, i of how you program that data and what data you provide and how you design the algorithm is where bias comes in. and when it comes to war. uh, if you are programming ai systems that will be using economists of jumping to the end and machines, it's very difficult to not have bias in there and, and, and the computers they're there. they don't have feelings. they don't have any of that. they don't have a conscious, it's very difficult to create ethics in, in a, i, in the bath and we, and then send that out to war. i mean, right now it's honestly impossible to be able to determine, you know, you know, it's, it's a friendly or if it's a threat, because we're just not there in movies and hollywood blockbusters,

everything goes great. and there's all kinds of technology doing it. but no, this is a big gray area. this is a very scary saw at r e i. technology will be as it goes, we've had examples off of the ongoing rule in the, in, in many cases and all the information is out there in the public domain. where multiple people, hundreds and thousands of people have been killed because of the wrong strikes. i and people and women and children and innocent people have been killed of thousands and thousands or the last 20 years off of work very so you look at it so. so my take is no, it's there's, there's none of ethics going in there right now. it's a field that's very severely under, under develop and know it's a great area for, for the next many years. all right, here's a philosophical one for you. in the past, in the early 2, thousands, we'll call it drone warfare was basically being introduced by the g w bush era. and

it's uses only expanded ever since then massively, under brock obama. and then we saw a number of draws operators coming forward with stories of a new kind of p t s d. so to prevent this, the advancement of smart drones have really come a long way in just the last 10 years. but ultimately, it is still programmed and traced back to a human right. so can the human creators, those who punch in the coordinates, etc, ever truly be absolved in the feeling like they took part in killing. i think anyone who's involved in war has to really make that choice. anybody who's involved in, i don't know, projecting their, their country from that task to really be fully invested and know what it entails when it comes to a drone operators or remain a remote autonomy or

a ton of equipment operators. i think that that human element is always there when it comes to killing people and you know, in a more or in a battle, being able to destroy cities and destroy villages and so on. and you're, you're an operator of equipment, then you're part of it. you can't ignore the fact that your participation on, on many levels to what is happening on the ground. so i don't think human skins will be absolved themselves from saying that or doing or, or saying, hey, i have nothing to do with this. this is the machine that did it. no, it's not. you know, uh everybody who is part of that process is involved. and so we have to acknowledge that. and you mentioned to us the sports. there's a, there's a severe negative side to it. we're seeing, you know, oh soldiers we've gone into battle or has been part of that. their stories and merge. there's movies being made on that. in many of those things are emerging. it has a negative, it has

a huge negative side on the people were operating this machinery. and while they might do it during war and during battle, and during the times they are needed. but it definitely has been shown to have a huge impact. and we can go back 25 years, look at all the wars that have been a fox from the gulf war to those and again to stand and iraq and so on. and those stories off of all of our, our out there, all right, futurist and emerging tech expert, ian con. thank you so much for that insight today. and as we can see in a perfect world, future wars wouldn't be bloodless for both soldiers and civilians. a like, they'd be exacting, able to only get the bad guys, but we don't live in a perfect world. and technology just isn't there yet. for now, the advancement in warfare tech only seems to be expanding the amount of blood that is shed for people on the receiving end of

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a question mark with deals of investment. by the way, one of the deadliest trained crushes in india's history, at least at least 275 people that molded 1000 in just as passenger trains. the migrations include pet fox, the 1st one i am on monday morning at a new week's guessing on the way in the russian capital miners be to scott and wherever you are. joining us from welcome to 30 minutes of news and announcements of the enemy has failed to break through russian defences. thus, according to moscow's defense ministry, officials say they repelled a large scale. you created an offensive that took place on sunday along 5 pots would be southern funniest from so the union, on the morning of june, 4th, the enemy launched a large scale offensive from 5 parts of the front line in the south of the nest region by bringing into battle 23rd, and a 3rd or 1st mechanized 3 gates from the strategic reserves of the ukrainian armed

forces with the support of other military units. the enemy's goal was to break through our defense as in what they considered the most vulnerable section of the front. the enemy didn't know that she's their objective. she left them all on these developments. i'm joined live in the studio biology correspondence with my my issue with my that morning. so you, thanks for joining those. what more can you tell us about this? so the situation on the front line and the developments that now this is a very long count. the counter offensive that's been awaited for a very long time with media talking about it for a very long time now. was student officials, as i've also been predicting the situation with zalinski, saying on saturday that the country is ready for counter offensive. and that the military could not wait any longer. now, however, this very same day the deputy had eager, uh, as all got and said that the country is simply not ready for that yet as they have not received enough weapons. now, early on monday,

the russian ministry of defense has said that ukrainian forces have attacked troops in 56 sections of front line in dunbar was the as a result of skilful incompetent actions of the eastern group of our troops. the grant and military lost more than 250 troops, 16 tanks through infantry fighting vehicles and 21 arm recumbent vehicles. the commander of the combined group of troops, the russian chief of general stuff, general bullet or you're awesome. i was present at the forward. c'mon, to post during this period just now uh, it is very hard to miss reactions from the united states as stop officials. i have shown the proxy war tactics in ukraine's and have urged kia to say the vital territories from russia, as well as we must mention the billions of dollars that the us has spent in a to ukraine. what more do we know about this?

ongoing western supports of kids. now we've talked about the billions of a that the west has spent on ukraine as well as the us specifically saying that they will not let this go until russia loses is no key is, has attacked russia and the kremlin and moscow with drone attacks. lately, with analysts assuming that these attacks had nothing but a diversion of attention and from there the faith in up to almost now those actions can also be seen as

a freak users of your queen's counter offense. so the russian defense ministry has said today that troops were repelled, repel the armed incursion into the builder of the reasons, bye to pro key of groups, which are 2 groups that are considered terrorist groups in russia. now the boulder of the governor has also said that the drum strike an energy infrastructure site, but so far there are no casualties. we must also mention the weapons, the increase of weapons that are, that is sent to ukraine as the russian press. secretary himself said he also talked about the supply of weapons from germany and from france of miss solves, with the range of over 500 kilometers. now how far the accounts are offensive we'll go, we don't really know as p of is stating that it wants to restore the $99.00 to $1.00 orders, which includes bus cups on an old surprised me yet. but we also know that the

kremlin has drone a red line at primedia. and if anyone tries to touch premier, then it will be considered a direct attack on russia itself. no, so far as storing the 9 to 999 to 91 borders seems like nothing but more than cubes. pipe dream. mm hm. well that's thank service. walk us through those developments on the front line, whom i hope you'll love keeping the best of any further developments. and thank you . as well as keeps accounts that offensive appears to be guessing on the way you cranes intensified is showing us civilian iris and other positive rest of this week for the city of gold lift costs. and they've been used for public reports of the hit by 3rd st. ukrainian rockets leaving 3 people injured. another attack also stroke crimea, mean by the russian town of should beacon which is located close to the border has been report to the show again after several days of attacks by ukrainian troops as local speed of evacuation f. it's all sees, it goes down to

a sense of this report from the ground. this used to be a prosperous, flourishing city of some 40000 people. now, it's a ghost town. the this place is a typical soviet era apartment block building. it would have taken more than just one round to deal this type of damage. if you were to pick just around the corner, you can see that the fire is still raging on the ruins of what used to be someone's home. it's streets deserted every once in a while,

an old ca speeds past us. while some civilians have stayed an overwhelming majority of the locals have chosen to escape to safer places and much on the to the route the house shakes at night. every thing shakes, and that's why everyone here is trying to leave. people are scared, children, and elderly people. there's nothing else to say other than we're frightened. i left last sunday. we made it out in time, so to speak. i'm on the he analogy to pick up my things, boots clovis, and such of the hundreds of rounds have been battering this town almost every day in the span of the past week. all this might to choose no military objectives, as it pursues non ukraine's teller is off to civilians and civilian infrastructure here, only this short ukrainian militants. they truly kill 2 birds with one shell. here's

the crater. they obviously targeted this hospital. you can see ambulance vehicles, badly damaged, destroyed, and the shrapnel and bloss way, well it hits this apartment block house. some people found themselves trapped, submitted daily halo booms, volunteers routinely risk their lives to evacuate. bedridden civilians we're from should back in our selves. the situation is dangerous. we're looking for people and rounding them up for evacuation. we've been working on this known stuff for days now. these are the brightest star times for the ukrainian military. in terms of the long teased counter offensive. it has simply nothing to show for it yet. keep has lost, the city are almost which it had branded as an impregnable fortress. so it has unleashed its vengeance upon those who it can simply reach and who can't fight back

. makers done a reporting from the bell. gord region oxy, the resurgence of the cold war mentality. that's how the chinese defense minister described the current situation in the asia pacific region. and that was during the stronger law dialogue security so much in singapore. we also said the forging any kind of new west and alliances in the region. we only escalate to the risk of conflict sounds here. the next service attempts to push for nature like appliances and the asian pacific, is a way of getting nothing original countries and exaggerating conflicts and consultations, which will only blogs asian pacific into a world full of disappears and conflicts. nato's trillion dollar proxy war against russia and ukraine isn't exactly going to plug their long predicted co op. so the russian economy and military, how's it really materialized? and let's face it for a country facing to combine military and economic power of the entire western world