to then and i've gone through that the down that's road that probably we, if we would have seen a different scene in syria now. yes, but they have cost. i don't think the becoming a 2nd degree citizen was an option for many of the and i think they perhaps also had, well some inkling of knowledge at that time because this syrian uprising was happening on the hills of the destruction of state structures in, in libya, and the very public murder of more mark adolphe and i think there was of why the expectation on the part of the searing that i'm or sir, is that a similar kind of scenario could be repeated in, in, in syria. what do you think preventive dots from happening? some of the main factors apart from the public results to support the state, not the leader, but actually the state structures in, in the lab actually you, you touched on a very important point. first of all, what happened in libya and human specifically, and told at least

a segment of syrian people that this is not going to lead to any, any we're good because we could see that there was going to be an a key in both places. so this confuses the police, some syrians to stand by their state and keeping the field. now this result isn't unfounded and isn't out of thing. and we knew 1st of all that there was going to be internal resources that we could draw upon. but 2nd, but we have allies who wouldn't be interested in allowing syria to fall into let's just say the other account. so basically the russians and there are also others who so in syria, a front kline and where they could fight to prevent that. the battle from moving into their hand, which was in wrong, cuz we knew that they are in use, would perceive the problem in syria, as

a preview to probably maybe around. so they didn't want to and you know, a lot of that easy to happen. and so we've had sort of natural allies, if you think of the russian intervention in, in syria, in 2015 in the autumn of 2050. and there's always a lot of talking to syria, one to this that the russian friends came out all that is true because syria definitely needed some support cuz everybody else was, was trying to bring the government down on the state down. but also russian had a strategic interest because it, so the united states move into the region after the fall of muso, under the guys, i would argue, of fighting die. but what probably russia sold was, you know, 8 is somebody who they compete with that on an international scale is moving into a, an area where that influence can be curtailed. so the can i ask you that because this is a very difficult question for, for the russians,

because one could argue that the rushes intervention and 0 was very effective in terms of resources and changing the dynamic all of this conference. but there's also a group of analysts here in russia who argued, i think it was actually a premium you to the ukranian conflict. because having encountered the russia as an effective counter for, as the americans may have exacerbated the militarization of ukraine and their thinking of ukraine as a sort of bulwark against the rushes, potential of gathering of strength. do you think the war in ukraine is somehow connected to russia's intervention in syria? i would argue it's the other way around. i would argue that the, because simply what happened in the ukraine started with as these for state assembly into the naked di started in 2014 and the russian intervention and serious was like a year later. so you could argue that the problem with the ukraine,

the cutoff ties the inability of russia to um, to negotiate with the united states made, you know, syria, a editable sort of m, i wouldn't say threats, but at least last of influence. it's a question sort of to the russians and they that facilitate their move. but again, there are, you know, i don't want to be a romantic about this book. yes, there are lots more and relations and history between russia and syria, that there is between syria and the united states. but no, for the russians. this was a continuation off. i wouldn't say struggle, but let's just say competition or conflict with the united states that didn't even start at 2014. it started, i would argue earlier than that. well, because i'm argue that it's never actually, and it's been that with the cold war, but mr. woke up, we have to and here for a few moments to take a little break, but we will be back in just a few moments. state your and the

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk. the boss can do either speak with key at the washington state. the process is to the computer

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the welcome back to all the parts with a model. what caused the founder and director of nurses, a think tank focusing on the middle is mr. recovered before the break. we were discussing the intricacies. so russia's involvement in the middle east. and it's a fascinating topic, but i do want to go back to serious readmission into the arab league because in this day and age we have lots of examples of conflicts being pushed. but very few, although very promising examples of conflicts. well, um, not necessarily being you have to reconcile with at least the format adversaries

moving towards each other. and one example of that would be syria in turkey, syria and saudi arabia, saudi arabia and iran. there. um, a number of the very surprising developments wouldn't be too premature or too naive to believe that the, the region which suffered from so much violence is finally ready to a band and some of that, you know, they, they was. so it is premature. i think the, this is about as the competition, competition for the reason you're looking for the ones, competition of domestic stability and so on, every single player have their own game. let's look at the situation. i think the easiest way of explaining what happened was that there are certain parties in the middle east, the pushed so far and so long. and so hard to have a resolution via violence means whether in yemen well, or whether in syria, there was

a lot of economic pressure. if you think of seriously think of lebanon for the other party, to force it to capitulate, that did not happen. so there was a book, there was a snack, you know, there was a steel made. why should we put even more resources when the situation is not acceptable? and could we achieve different results by applying different methods? and that's what probably prompted the and sort of a course type of arabs in of jordan egypt, saudi arabia and the u. a. e. to meet in autumn of 2020 and decide that they weren't going to be approaching syria in order to preserve serious arabic identity sort of. and this led to some explicit explanations or promoting of the here they can come jordan of the law. the 2nd flew to washington and suit to moscow and explain this initiative on what we see now. is there was a goofing of that initiative to now?

can i ask you can ask about that because this is a fascinating name as well because there's always something you can our argue the, the arab mentality here. um, more flexible, more mobilely you, you know, your payments for your bizarre. so you can think like in many different ways about potential uh, benefit. but the american mentality is usually very stumper and the american administration's almost never, i recognize the, the floss and that in the past policies. it's pretty obvious that in order for the, for syria to be kicked out of the arab league, the, they have to be some american pressure from the of almost white house. do you think there was some sort of green lighting to the re admission from the american side this time around? i think there was at least a yellow light and amber light and the american, the rhetoric and what they're trying to do, for example, via their legislative the,

you know, the congress and the senate in passing more and more sanctions in more and more prohibitive. rules is it looks like a stop gap is. so we have to understand this is not about cedar yet for the united states. this is not about the syrians, 3 joining the army. this is about an opportunity for the united states increase and consolidate a certain influence in the region. but what kind of influence, what kind of influence? because if we look at the saudi, saudis, if we look at the turks, they're all nominally american allies, but they engaged far more with china, with russia even with around now. so what is left of the american implants, or what are some of the new ways that exerts itself, or the fact that you know, the prime minister of israel, a lot of the king of jordan nowadays visit most school more than they visit. washington is obviously a worry, but that is a side effect and a result of the american intervention to destabilize syria,

whether we liked it or not. and i'm not going to go through explaining why the united states, if you think of it up, if you think of a northeastern syria, they are seeing an opportunity of influence and they don't want to surrender that very easily. they want to keep out as much as possible, and they took up the big picture. they, they have a bigger chessboard to play. and so they're thinking about the chinese as they're thinking about the russians. so it sort of in syria going back to the creek is a minor detail, but what they would want from it is that if the syrians, for example, could be contained by the arabs or helped. and it could be by the items, you know, the show them and it could be a 1st parity so that they could break. and we had it a bit from the iranians from the russians. then this would be argued ethically be a, an american plus sort of speaking about the syria as a regional player. the you mentioned been another interview that there is indeed the pragmatic self interest on the part of the arab league to see, see,

re admitted into the organization. what exactly can syria all are on uh the how many on the ranking and on the palestinian phones to start with the posting in front, which is the problem in the middle east, on the main problem or the original problem. you put it as much as well as, as much as it likes to. in this case, syria offers the palestinians a route to see know for depression, that makes syria a very important player to nothing. if you, if you think of the abraham, of course, if you think of a lot of things, sacrament, whatever, as long as the palestinians can see that we could prolong this fight for another day. as long as they can feel that then they won't, you know, raise the, the white flag. and that makes syria very important to the cause. now you're on, in a sense, is backing syria in that tool very much. and this axis of syria,

iran has black and thomas mixed up possible people can feel some hope because the last thing that's gonna solve the post in a problem is for the posting used device to raise the white flag. it's not going to end, it's very natural. now the world needs syria to negotiate a way out of this because again, and so that's the biggest thing, an issue. the other issues because of this particular position of syria and it's for nation with a lot. this gives syria leverage and solving other regional problems that iran is involved with with the out of will. so in a sense, syria can feel now that it goes back to its natural place as a mediator as a mid point between the adverbs and the radians. and if you think of the latest saturday hearing and brush mom a, you know, this, the, you know, the agreement that beside in, in beijing you know,

pattern not pattern by the chinese and so on. if you think about it also as a continuation of the struggle by peaceful means, you know, we're still competing, but yes, we're going to stop the hostilities by the way we need to solve human. and so one, syria can find itself a very helpful player to it's a private room in helping solve the problem to medium and in level. nothing, in my personal opinion, nothing is going to happen in less than i guess, serious will, seriously. so there is so much at stake for syria and lebanon, and this explains the cedar intervention end of it. and since the year 2000, 976, if you want to put it that way, there's a lot at stake and syria will, you know, a nothing is going to happen to live in it unless somebody agrees with syria on something. it's interesting. yeah. it's actually very inspiring what you're talking about and it makes me think about maybe my christian is eric on the something i,

paul, i apologize about that before hand. but the, you know, the, the, the conditional thinking in place in washington has been the, you know, we need our benevolent the gemini in order to sort of help those, the barbaric people in the middle east to sort out the differences without killing themselves to, you know, to extinction, and though what do you seem to be suggesting is that once the american influence has decreased or become, become somewhat different, the arab states can deal with that different a different interest in their relatively civilized in the peaceful way. i i, i do wanna, i know i ask you about the, the whole for about our new world, but there seems to be something new emerging. do you see any new spirit among within this region? all, i don't know believing in things, but at the end that things could be sorted out in the regional conceptual way.

perhaps with some of the, the asian from bigger players. but like trying to, let's say, well, like russia or even like the united states. but without giving anyone any outside play or the ultimate decisions for the face of the people who inhabit the region, i'm going to be as realistic as possible. and as frank as possible, i don't think that the major players can afford to antagonize or, you know, lose the trust of the united states. this is not about the regional position or their economic position. this is on. this is about their domestic and stability. part of their domestic stability lies on the fact that this country is allied with the united states, the sort of that the country a lot with the united states. however, having said that, over the past few decades and especially in the past couple of decades, these countries has mature that they are now realizing our ass realize now that they can actually play a bigger role, a more active, cold,

proactive whole in world affairs. and to maximize whatever benefit they could get. so let's take for examples. how do you have, if, if you think of couple and i thought yeah, it is a very specific case, more profiteering, it's about finding its place within the region proving to its neighbors, the u. a, the saudi arabia's a saudi arabia that, that it is on a peer to peer and a sort of relationship with them. it's not like, you know, it's a comes 2nd, but with saudi arabia, they go to badging and they do agree with badgering to the exchange or to sell the dollar to settle their oil for the chinese community. now this was unheard of unthinkable say 10 years ago. and what does that mean to? so you can go to the americans and say, look, you have your own problems, we have ours. but we have to hedge against, you know,

the fall of the us dollar value or whatever it is. and we have a lot of trade with china and this could make it easier for us. and the united states could not easily say no when push comes to shove, the saudis will be expected to align behind the united states. but as long as there is some sort of margin for them to what they will work on, they have their own regional aspirations as well. and if you think about it, it also falls within the united states view on how the, the, to the, to spread its influence. so the, you know, the saudis could say, look, if we put pressure on syria 11 and for example, 11 and would fall under our influence. and therefore, the or influenced and so the americans would say the ultimately doesn't, doesn't matter how you market it, as long as you can actually achieve a lasting peace. that's a good enough of the result. the may get some, you know, haven't started to yours or persuasion is very helpful here. and if you have still

unclear who is the dog and who is the tail and, and this whole tail, but the, at least people uh, not being killed in such large numbers anymore. yeah. we have yeah, yeah, we have to leave it there, but uh i, i agree that i appreciate your presence today. thank you very much for helping me. i'd really appreciate it. and thank you for watching and hope to sooner again on was a part of the a, the,

the section of the dumb uh, the whole sky. a hydro power station is damaged following ukrainian stripes. and it gets solved region space in the middle east, but on washington's tubs, us equity, all states. that's how the human to react jerusalem sized, emphasizing us national security interests of busting around for the legend funds to obtain nuclear weapons. and a 3 year old palestinian boy dies up to being shots by his very forces in the occupied in west binds his father who was also a vague some of the attacks says the note justification for the killing omen over the rudely and arrogant look lane. there were fire and i'm a witness that these claims are false. the victims were me and my son the must go to the world. you're watching all the international monies,

be discounts here with all the latest this tuesday morning. thanks very much for joining us. and we start off with a bit of braking use this all on ok. same on that's the whole sky. a hydro power plant, a section of which has collapsed after ukrainian shilling hits the ups on the beach and of the mass of nobody. ca holcomb says a disaster was caused by you credit and false as the guidance of the west and because as well yes which is the only one. 0 is this the old audit? and 2 am, multiple strikes, hit the cost of the hydro electric power station as a result of both structures and the station were destroyed and it wasn't begin to uncontrollably slow down in the upper river. fortunately, the hydro electric power station was built during the height of the nuclear threats, meaning it was built well, so the dam is intact. the level of what's the rise now is from 2 to 4 meters. well, the largest rise of water could have reached 12 meters, which did not happen because the destruction of the hydro electric power station is a catastrophe created by the ukraine and authorities. and those who manage them

more to the local mat has described this as a terrorist act committed by ukraine, new forces and the ukranian president vladimir is a landscape. we're just having has blamed russia for the attack. and he's made a referral to the united nations, a security council, so conflicting reports and not just to give some kind of a i did of the scale of this uh, hardware. let's go down. it was built in 1956. it's a soviet era time. so it's incredibly robust, but it's 13 feet high on 2 miles long on it. so contains water roughly equivalent to great. so like in utah, so it's a pretty big term of the supplies, not only the local population, but also the people of crimea, but perhaps more closely. this applies cooler, more to photos that photos your nuclear power plant. now, russian officials that say that there is no risk in this situations on the control,

but for the local population, the water levels have risen by somewhere like 2 between 2 and a half meters on 4 meters. and those are the local areas, are imminent risk of flooding, evacuation operations or underway effects. somebody like you to settle between those at 30, who sent me immediate regions over at risk and having evacuated emergency services on the scene, trying to fix the problem and to ensure that people in the area are safe. now, a cool face comes off the sunday's attacks while you cranium full, see if they try to break the russian to put it in 5 babies in the don't yet. region, by what unsuccessful, they were repelled by russian forces with huge losses. of course these as some 16 turns up to $300.00 ukrainian soldiers and $24.00 almost fighting vehicles, including these 3 bradley vehicles supplied by the united states. now, of course, there's been a lot of room or no speculation. so this could be the start of the long awaited

spring. what was a spring offensive by the ukranian? a forces live now to cristo neil, also journalist and founder of don't boss inside of christ out. good morning to you . um, can you tell us a bit about the strategic importance of this hydro electric done and who could possibly benefit from his destruction? or, of course it's the ukraine. it was a switch which was already existing last year. that's why the russian forces retreated from uh, ships on in the right bank of the near because it was the street. can you print nami, is showing this uh, uh it want it to go plan since last year. so for me it's not a surprise. what happened? even if it's about surprise, uh, are you seeing the name of the ukraine was to the flood the positions in defense line of the russian army on the left bank of the near per and also

to close providence for the for crimea, and for uh, for us the delivery of water for the, for the zip rosie, uh, new care plan. mm hm. now, how would you assess the, the overall damage to the damn? do you think it could be repaired quickly? i don't know if it can be repaired quickly or i think it's possible to repair it. to, as it was said, it's the soviet constriction. so really a robust let's see what the special these can say. i think it can be repaired, but it will be hard, especially if the dom continue to fail to fit to fill under uh, shipping from the ukraine unami. that's the main danger of the fact that they can continue to bomb this place. what both sides of us, they've pointed the finger at each other for the destruction of this dump. the

local that we just seem to distinguish between the power plants and the dams and the pump was destroyed. but the damage inside, which is a footage quite clearly showing water flowing uncontrollably through which section of it has been damaged. its uh, its uh, the parts which are controlling, in fact, the uh, uh, flawed of water. so its the doors uh, we should be damaged. uh so it's bad, but it's not as bad as even the dam would. the would have been completely bowed up . mm hm. so that's where we see that. yeah, the constriction was very slowly because if it was not the case of them would have or completely co ops. mm hm. and the expats and reaction from from western leaders about this, obviously the rest, the media company quite extensively at the moment. i think you have a good brochure like usual. well, we'll have to wait and see about crystal and they don't know if a journalist and founder of don't boss inside of thanks very much for your time

this morning. you're welcome. meanwhile, you credit forces have continued to attack the russian border region of bill. good with the local govern, us thing. at least 25 people lost their lives in the late is showing. several humanitarian points have been opened to by local authorities to help distribute to food and medicines among the people. the us, according to the governor, sees it goes down to report some, one of the board towns that was recently hit, a house, a 1000000 people live along the border of russia's belgrade region with ukraine. there's no panic, but none of them can truly sleep soundly at night. the family that used to live here, they were about to go to bed when just around midnight, more than a dozen ukrainian rockets hit this area. now all that remains of their home are these chart ruins. and this woman was widowed by the strike. which was the the pros, the person who was car could buy the

car. i'm dealing with the moment she had more the disclosures closer for you said you pulled up your 1st floor, but the more you need to see this village is more than 10 kilometers away from the ukranian border. habits. no soldiers yet somehow it got on the radar of chief commodities. in sylvia here at 7 pm, i left for work and then i got a call. i was told that my house had been destroyed in the morning, i came to take a look at what was left. the roof was hit with the blast wave travel into the garage wreck in my car, to more courageous in the garden. all across the board, the emergency services, all in highlands. it's not enough to evacuate and provide shelter to everyone who found themselves homeless as many are defined to leave. will simply have no other

place to go. the damage has to be fixed and fixed quickly. because i knew others were helping everyone who was affected. we have a complete list of the damage households were clearing debris covering houses with tarp, so that the weather conditions don't cost more harmful. we're also working on placing windows thanks to electric services. power was quickly stored, hopefully all the houses that kinda restore as will be put back in order soon. in the scare tactics, campaign t of spares no resources. it weighs um own oprah operations, which, you know, feasible results in the battle field. it's then small diversion groups across the border and even signing of groups with tons as it seems, ukraine is trying, it's luck in a mass mind control effort rather than the military one. i'm gonna get done of reporting from the bow, good region oxy.