if we have allies who wouldn't be interested in allowing syria to fall into, let's just say the other account. so basically the russians and there are also others who sold in syria a front kline and where they could fight to prevent that. the battle from moving into their hand, which was in wrong, cuz we knew the during years would perceive the problem in syria as a preview to a problem indeed on. so they didn't on to and you know, allow that easy to happen. and so we've had sort of natural allies, if you think of the russian intervention in, in syria, in 2015 in the autumn of 2015. there's always a lot of talking to syria, one to this that the russian friends came out. oh, that is true because syria definitely needed some support cuz everybody else was, was trying to bring the government down on the state down. but also russia had a strategic interest because it, so the united states move into the region after the fall of muso, under the guys,

i would argue, of fighting dice with what probably russian soul was. you know, 8 is somebody who they compete with that on an international scale is moving into a, an area where their influence can be curtailed. so the can i ask you that because this is a very difficult question for, for the russians. because one could argue that the russians intervention and 0 was very effective in terms of resources and changing the dynamic all of this cultures . but there's also a group of analysts here in russia who argued, i think it was actually a premium you to the ukraine and conflict. because having encountered russia as an effective counter for, as the americans may have exacerbated the militarization of ukraine and their thinking of ukraine as a sort of bulwark against a brush, as a potential i of the ring all size strength. do you think the warren ukraine

is somehow connected to russia's intervention in syria? i would argue it's the other way around. i would argue that the, because simply what happened in the ukraine started was the suspense of lead to the naked. i started in 2014, and the russian intervention and serious was like a year later. so you could argue that the problem with the ukraine, the cutoff ties the inability of russia to um, to negotiate with the united states made, you know, syria, a vegetable sort of. and i wouldn't say threats, but at least last of influence and a question sort of to the russians. and they that facilitate their move. but again, there are, you know, i don't want to be a romantic about this book. yes, there are lots more and relations and history between russia and syria, that there is between syria and the united states. but no,

for the russians. this was a continuation off, i would say struck, but let's just say competition or conflict with the united states that they didn't even started 2040 each task. i would argue earlier than that. well, because i'm argue that it's never actually, and it's been that with the cold war, but mr. woke up, we have to and here for a few moments to take a little break, but we will be back in just a few moments extension the,

[000:00:00;00] the . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the welcome back to all the parts with a model. what caught founder and director of moses a think tank focusing on the middle is most of

a cup before the break. we were discussing the intricacies. so, russia's involvement in the middle east and it's a fascinating topic, but i do want to go back to serious re admission into the arab league because in this day and age we have lots of examples of conflicts being pushed. but very few, although very promising examples of conflicts. well, um, not necessarily being you have to reconcile with at least the format adversaries moving towards each other. and one example of that would be syria in turkey, syria and saudi arabia, saudi arabia and iran, there. um, a number of the very surprising developments wouldn't be too premature or too naive to believe that the, the region which suffered from so much violence is finally ready to abandon some of that. you know, they, they was. so it is premature. i think the,

this is about as the competition, competition for the regional influence competition of domestic stability until on every single player have their own game. let's look at the situation. i think the easiest way of explaining what happened was that the, there are certain parties in the middle east, the pushed so far and so long. and so hard to have a resolution via violence means whether in yemen will or whether in syria, there was a lot of economic pressure. if you think of syria, if you think of lebanon for the other party, to force it to capitulate, that did not happen. so there was a book, there was a snack, you know, there was a steel made. why should we put even more resources when the situation is not acceptable? and could we achieve different results by applying different methods? and that's what probably prompted the and sort of a course type of arabs in of jordan egypt,

saudi arabia and the u. a. e. to meet in autumn of 2020 and decide that they weren't going to be approaching syria in order to preserve cedar as a big identity sort of. and this led to some explicit explanations of promoting of the ad here, the king of jordan of the law. the 2nd flew to washington and flew to moscow and explain this initiative on what we see now. is it a resolution of that initiative to now give, ask you can ask about that because this is a fascinating name as well because there's always something you can our argue, the, the arab mentality here. um, more flexible, more mobilely you, you know, you're famous for your bizarre. so you can think like in many different ways about potential uh, benefit. but the american mentality is usually very stumper and the american administration's almost never, i recognize the, the floss in the,

in the past policies. uh, it's pretty obvious that in order for the uh, for syria to be kicked out of the arab league that have to be some american pressure from the of almost white house. do you think there was some sort of green lighting to the re admission from the american side this time around? i think there was at least a yellow light and amber light and the american the retort and what they're trying to do, for example, via their legislative the, you know, the congress and the senate. and in passing more and more sanctions and more and more prohibitive rules is it looks like a stop gap is. so we have to understand this is not about cedar yet for the united states. this is not about the syrians, 3 joining the army. this is about an opportunity for the united states increase and consolidate a certain influence in the region. but what kind of influence, what kind of influence? because if we look at the saudi, saudis,

if we look at the trucks, they're all nominally american allies, but they engaged far more with china, with russia even with around now. so what is left of the american implants, or what are some of the new ways that exerts itself, or the fact that you know, the prime minister of israel, a lot of the king of jordan nowadays visit most school more than they visit. washington is obviously a worry, but that is a side effect and a result of the american intervention to destabilize syria, whether we liked it or not. and i'm not gonna, i'm not going to go through explaining why the united states, if you think of it up, if you think of a northeastern syria, they are seeing an opportunity of influence and they don't want to surrender that very easily. they want to keep out as much as possible, and they took up the big picture they, they have a bigger chessboard to play. and so the best thinking about the chinese, as they're thinking about the russians. so it sort of in syria going back to the

creek is a minor detail, but what they would want from it is that if the syrians, for example, could be contained by the arms or hilton, it could be by the apps, you know, the show them and it could be a 1st parity so that they could break and we did it a bit from the iranians from the russians. then this would be arguing particularly be a, an american plus sort of speaking about the syria as a regional player. the you mentioned been another interview that there is indeed the pragmatic self interest on the part of the arab league to see, see, re admitted into the organization. what exactly can syria all her on uh, the jamini on the ranking and on the palestinian france. so it starts with the posting in front, which is the problem in the mix based on the main problem or the original problem, you put it as much as well as, as much as it likes to. in this case, syria offers the palestinians a route to see know for depression,

that makes syria a very important player to nothing. if you, if you think of the abraham, of course, if you think of a lot of things, sacrament, whatever, as long as the palestinians can see that we could prolong this fight for another day. as long as they can feel that then they won't, you know, raise the, the white flag. and that makes syria very important to their cause. now you're on, in a sense, is backing syria in that tool very much. and this axis of syria, iran and his blood on time us mixed up possible people can feel some hope because the last thing that's gonna solve the post in the problem is for the posting used device to raise the white flag. it's never going to end. it's very natural now the world needs syria to negotiate a way out of this because again, and so that's the palestinian issue. the other issues because of this particular

position of syria and it's for nation with a lot. this gives syria leverage and solving other regional problems that iran is involved with, with the audible. so in a sense, syria can feel now that it goes back to its natural place as a mediator, as a mid point between the adverbs and the uranium. and if you think of the latest saturday hearing and rubbish mom, you know this, the, you know, the agreement that was side in, in beijing, you know, pattern not pattern by the chinese and so on. if you think about it also is a continuation of the struggle by peaceful means. you know, we're still competing, but yes, we're going to start the hostilities by the way, we need to solve human and so on. syria can find itself a very helpful player to it's out of brother in, in helping solve the problem, the medium and in level. nothing, in my personal opinion, nothing is going to happen in lebanon, i guess, serious will,

seriously. so there's so much at stake for syria and lebanon, and this explains the cedar intervention end of it. and since the year 2000, 976, if you want to put it that way, there's a lot at stake and syria will, you know, a nothing is going to happen 11. unless somebody agrees with syria on something. it's interesting. yeah. it's actually very inspiring what you're talking about and it makes me think about maybe my question is eric on does something i, paul, i apologize about that before hand. but the, you know, the, the, the conditional thinking in place in washington has been the, you know, we need our benevolent the gemini in order to sort of help those. um, they're very people in the middle east to sort out the differences without killing themselves to, you know, to extinction. and though, what do you seem to be suggesting is that once the american influence has decreased

or become, become somewhat different, the arab states can deal with that different a different interest in their relatively civilized in the peaceful way i, i do want to, i know, i ask you about the, the whole for about our new world, but there seems to be something new emerging. do you see any new spirit among within this region? all, i don't know believing in things, but at the end that things could be sorted out in the regional conceptual way. perhaps with some mediation from bigger players. but like trying to, let's say, well, like russia or even like the united states. but without giving anyone any outside play or the ultimate decisions for the phase of the people who inhabit the region, i'm going to be as realistic as possible. and as frank as possible, i don't think that the major players can afford to antagonize or, you know,

lose the trust of the united states. this is not about the regional position or their economic position. this is on. this is about their domestic stability. part of their domestic stability lies on the fact that this country is allied with the united states, the sort of that the country i lived with the united states. however, i think, said that over the past few decades and especially in the past couple of decades, these countries has mature that they are now realizing our ass realize now that they can actually play a bigger role, a more active, cold, proactive whole in world affairs. and to maximize whatever benefits that they could get. so let's take, for example, saturday of if, if you think of couple and i thought, yeah, it is a very specific case, more profiteering, it's about finding its place within the region proving to its neighbors, the u. a, the saudi arabia's a saudi arabia that, that it is on a peer to peer and a sort of relationship with them. it's not like, you know, it's

a come 2nd book with saudi arabia. they go to badging and they do agree with a bang to the exchange or to sell the dollar to settle their oil for the chinese community. now this was unheard of unthinkable say 10 years ago. and what does that mean to? so you can go to the americans and say, look, you have your own problems, we have ours, but we have to hedge against, you know, the fall of the us dollar value or whatever it is. and we have a lot of trade with china, and this could make it easier for us. and the united states could not easily say no . when push comes to shove, the saudis will be expected to align behind the united states. but as long as there is some sort of margin for them to work, they will bar, and they have their own regional aspirations as well. and if you think about it, it also falls within the united states view on how to add to

the, to spread its influence. so the, you know, the saudis could say, look, if we put pressure on syria 11 and for example, 11 and would fall under our influence and therefore your influence to and so the americans would say the ultimately doesn't, doesn't matter how you market it, as long as you can actually achieve a lasting peace. that's a good enough of the result. the may get some, you know, haven't started to yours arab persuasion is very helpful here. and it's, you know, it's still unclear who is the dog and who is the tale. and in this whole tail, but the at least people uh, not being killed in such large numbers anymore. yeah. we have yeah, yeah, we have to leave it there, but i, i agree that i appreciate your presence today. thank you very much for having me. i'd really appreciate it and thank you for watching and hope to see her again on the walls of parts

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which is the a section of the damn at cove sky, a hydro power station is damaged following ukrainian attacks in the 1st on regents . moscow says the incident is a deliberate act sabotaged by cab east in the middle east. but on washington's terms, the us secretary of states says ssl 2 men to read jerusalem ties emphasizing us national security interests while bashing a ron for its a legit plans to obtain nuclear weapons. the 3 year old palestinian boy dies after being shot by is really forces in the occupied west bank. his father,

who was also a victim of the attack, says, says there is no justification for the killing them. and they rudely and arrogantly claim they were fire department. i'm a witness that these claims are full. the victims were me and my son, the hello and good afternoon from the russian capital. this is our 2 international with the latest world news updates. i'm fiorella isabel. it's great to have you join us . we start with breaking news on the top of sky, a hydro power plant, a section of which has collapse after you create in showing hip, the heart of san region. russia called the attack, an act of deliberate, sabotaged by cab. the mayor of no via holes test says the situation is currently under control and efforts are being made to save civilian lives. what the, what the, what was it keeps coming?

civilians are being evacuated from flooded coastal areas in order to save lives and operational headquarters has been established. the ministry of emergency situations, the governor and the head of the local government working together, there was no panic in the city. then what was it has no reason by 10 meters and the level is 2, a rising. there is no panic. there is still electricity and lights in the city. or the local man has described this as a terrorist act committed by ukraine, new forces, and the ukranian president for a lot of them is the landscape we just hearing has blamed russia for the attack. and he's made a referral to the united nations security council. so conflicting reports and not just to give some kind of idea of, of the scale of this hydro electric go down. it was built in 1956. it's a soviet era. so it's incredibly robust for these 13 weeks of high on to miles long . and it contains water roughly equivalent to great. so like in utah, so it's

a pretty big start on monday. surprised not only the local population but also the people of crimea, but perhaps more closely. this applies cooler, more to photos. i photos you nuclear power plant. now, russian officials that say that there is no risk in this situation. the control, the local areas are imminent. risk of flooding, evacuation operations or underway. if it's something like a 2 settlements, we know that 30 homes in the immediate region already risk and have been back to right to the emergency services on the scene, trying to fix the problem and to ensure that people in the area are safe. now, a cool face comes off the sunday is a tax bar ukrainian full see if they tried to break motion to put it in 5 babies in the don't. yes. region, by what unsuccessful, they were repelled by russian forces with huge losses. of course, these some 16 turns up to $300.00 ukranian soldiers and you for almost fighting

vehicles, including these 3 bradley vehicles supplied by the united states. now, of course, there's been a lot of room or no speculation. so this could be the start of the long awaited spring what was the spring offensive by the ukrainian a full seas and a say the situation could potentially be beneficial for ukrainian forces as it may lead to flooding on the lower left bank in the hot or southern region were russian armed forces are stationed, eventually showing that the net for river, which would enable ukrainian forces to land and medical dog and carry out a counter offensive. according to his upper rogia official, the shallow way of the didn't never create a risk of ukraine, sending a landing force to take control of zappa roach. it nuclear power plants. i believe you do, but i'm, was it split up the shelving of the leap or a can promote? does the landscape regimes desired to repeat its criminal plan to send a landing forest and their guitar just double check foothold and then attempt to

take control of this upper ocean nuclear power plant, especially given the fact that they've tried to do so several times already. the shelving of the neighbor, it will make the river easier to navigate and can facilitate such actions from this alaska regime. the risk is there and we should evaluated carefully and acknowledge its existence. we discussed this with blogger, mike jones, who says that kids accusations of moscow being behind the attack is another example of the ukrainian government covering its own tracks. currently we've been insured by the authorities that it's all under control and that the will to level the rising of it is not a huge threat. however, there is a close consent, we have all say, and this concern about these apples and usually fall upon this just been mentioned and authorities of a showed us that that's a closed circuit that's not dependent upon the votes levels of them. so the major concerns appear to be under control, and therefore, despite the training intentions to cause a catastrophe,

that is at this point in time to have been avoided. this allegation that russia would do this absolutely preposterous. indeed, in the most gay times, they said that to destroy them would be the equivalent of russia blowing its own foots off. this is the words of bear on the list and this would threaten mine fields and other thoughts of occasions on the russian side of the tip of the river in advance on to this and makes no logical sense whatsoever. it's consistent with the shelling of this approach and usually a power plant that the west was again, blaming on russia. so we're seeing the same playbook being rolled out by the west. the same propaganda tool is being used and this action by the lensky to refer to the un security council is the core of something that they've done before to try and cover their own tracts. and this is, as has been described, a terrorist act. it affects civilians also, and i believe that's the main aim of this. meanwhile, ukrainian forces have continued to attack the russian border region of belgrade,

with the local governor saying at least 25 people lost their lives. in the latest showing, several humanitarian points have been opened by local authorities to distribute food and medicines among civilians. the governor reports are teasing or sean of reports from one of the border towns that was recently hit. a half a 1000000 people live along the border of russia's belgrade region with ukraine. there's no panic, but none of them can truly sleep soundly at night. the family that used to live here, they were about to go to bed when just around midnight, more than a dozen ukrainian rockets hit this area. now, all that remains of their home of these charred ruins. and this woman was widowed by the strike, which was the pros, the person who was god, cuz the most to god i'm dealing with the

desire to be at the moment she had more disclosures, koses for you said you just pulled up your 1st floor. but the morning is good for business today to see services. this village is more than 10 kilometers away from the ukranian border. habits, no soldiers. yet somehow it got on the radar of t if combined is in sylvia. sure. it's 7 pm. i left for work and then i got a call. i was told that my house had been destroyed in the morning. i came to take a look at what was left. the roof was hit with a blast, weighs travel into the garage, wrecking my car, to more courageous in the garden. one across the board, the emergency service is own highlights. it's not enough to evacuate and provide shelter to everyone who found themselves homeless. as many are defined to leave

will simply have no other place to go. the damage has to be fixed and fixed quickly . because i knew others were helping everyone who was affected, we have a complete list of the demons. households were clearing debris covering houses with tarp, so that the weather conditions don't cost more harmful. we're also working on placing windows, thanks to electric services, power was quickly re stored and hopefully all the houses that come to restore it will be put back in order soon. in this scare tactics, campaign t of spares no resources. it weighs um own oprah operations, which, you know feasible results on the battle field. it's since small diversion groups across the border and even signing your groups with tense as it seems ukraine is trying, it's luck in a mass mind control effort, rather than the military one. i'm gonna get done of reporting from the bel good region oxy russian foreign minister survey lab. rob is in tajikistan

on an official visit and is speech to personnel at a russian military base in the country. he spoke about russia stand off with the west. you all know about the plans that the west is not just preparing, but his openly declared with regard store countries. the same happened in the times of napoleon and fiddler. they put the whole up here, a bunch of the gun res, nonsense banners and adopted nonsense logan's. this time they put forwards the landscape regime that was nurtured and raised by the united states and an exclusive lucifer request following conditions of infamous american political analysts. who said that everything must be done to prevent you crane from being with russia ever again. we have no doubt that these plans are not destined to come to fruition. sorry is really normalization is deeply important for washington. that's according to us state secretary anthony blinking as he takes off his trip to saudi arabia on