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every bar i can see is all around the word for multiple or talk to ship, a sofa believing nato and the countries of europe. the bit types of the meat of to natal increasingly is the latest one that's made a theme i've been discussing ever since the start of the complex. i agree with you completely. brad. i mean, what is the best case scenario for this, you know, fabled counter offensive. what, what did they want to achieve other than to show their backers in the west that they're actually doing something. okay. i mean, that is a terrible waste of manpower. it's a really well, it's not a waste. it's disgusting. go ahead, brad. well, i think you see, isn't it exactly right. i mean this counter offensive, but he is launching or it's soon to be launching. as we all dissipate is completely a marketing strategy and they're doing it to show that they are actually, you know, a fighting force. it's capable of actually turning the tide of the conflict. now,
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you know, i saw this austrian colonel and he talked about why moscow strategy might fail, that, you know, they're digging in deep in the trenches and southern and eastern ukraine. similar to what france did with the marginal line. you know, it's hitler, all those through belgium and so a lot of people on twitter said, yeah, i mean what, what solver and nation is ukraine going to bulldoze through to get to, you know, these regions of ukraine that are now occupied by russia. uh, i think the, the strategic thinkers kind of overestimate themselves in the ability of do you have right now, but i think, you know, what might come in with this was like, yeah, i'm sure that a lot of people in the ukraine are versus, will definitely take inspiration from pillar in their offensive i'm completely sure of that and i think it's pretty well understood well brand main browser for looking at offensives and it's made german are den offensive. and in 1944 which was obviously a failure. so, um, but that was one way to right, yeah,
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that was one way to keep the complex going. okay, let me go back to ralph, you know, well the, the, the, i'm really kind of sick and tired of hearing this conversation about a ceasefire. of course, we want the violence to and i know how it should in and there should be receiving change in, in care of. and that will be the start of the end of this complex here. but in lieu of that, there's only a military solution. there is no political solution to this at all. ralph had received at the end of the anybody who was trying to mediate in this conflict and lately we heard it from loud silva, the president of brazil who said that he wanted to meet the identity of them. talk a bit of a distance publicly now to watch rush out in order to become such play a box. um nobody wants them to do it obviously. and i'm trying to also try to,
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to play that role and a sofa, couldn't so unless the united states of america and nato are agreeing to that. i don't see any jobs for a diplomatic solution here. and i, well, we have elections coming up in the united states, and of course there's conflict and ukraine is immensely unpopular there. i don't think that any cabinet a running for president or for senate now can say, oh, we want to continue forever with the you know, they, they around. i have to say, oh, we want to get out of it, but i, i'm raising. well, i don't know, i don't know how to know ralph. i have to push back a little bit on that. it's. it's another one of the themes on this program. this is an a lead project in a lead project, a nato, and a lead project in the united states. i mean, there's j. d vance out there. my favorite side are, but he's all the one person. okay. josh hallway is another, but you know it a, there's a consensus of the leads. now if you go and talk to the rank and file, particularly among republicans, you write this war is not popular,
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is never been popular because nobody knows why the u. s. is back in the regime into let me go to lorenzo before we go to the break here. so i mean, the reason why i say that can be no ceasefire because of that, the ceasefire is not a political solution and there's not going to be an arm. is that like in south korea, that's not going to happen. go ahead, go ahead learn. so i think somebody believe that the sort of shop always succeeds. that's a problem that nowadays we don't use a diplomacy enough and we don't teach more to do. we did pharmacy every time. so usually have because of his behavior of the neighbors sales as the person, the worse. so they have this kind of a demonic style in diplomacy. the problem is these key is that we're nap. no, no one of the words as being done by chance. no one ever comes by chance, but it's being afforded because what a ukraine, i think it's the leaves for years of plenty since the fall of the soviet union. so
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the current fleet has alternate logical scope, not just the ability to go around, which is why i believe that americans would never see kind of diplomacy. and consequently, of course me, but it was of ask you. yeah, but as lorenzo on so if you're going to have you're going to have diplomacy, then you have to have compromise. and that's something a. so america will never do that. okay. they may have that we have or do the interest need for a start too high for them because having a for lorenzo, let me jump in here. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on offensive to stay with our team, the the,
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[000:00:00;00] the, i really thought that we were going to die. and i crawled all the way to the right. and then i hid behind on my board. and business has to continue to stick with the system. basically we want to make sure that certain regular civilians should be in the hands. those people who are in st. that's taking away
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the welcome back. across the top were all things are considered computer la about your mind, you were discussing offensives. the all right, let's go back to a brad in, in, in prague. you know, one of the reasons why i say there is no political diplomatic solution to this as well. in the last new cycle, we had petro publish and code that 1st, a leader of the post coo regime. both. i think it was to a tally and media boasting how you know, all right, and we arms, ukraine, you know, in lieu of the minsk agreements here. and so we had our anglo merkle say, the same thing we had whole on say the same thing. and now we have an in lensky even admitted himself. so, i mean, that's why i keep going back. there's going to be no diplomatic solution because there's no trust. why wouldn't moscow trust any of these characters when they
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gleefully admit that they were deceitful? go ahead bred. you know, the thing that i think is quite interesting about your referral and this conflict is that, you know, someone who lives in the former warsaw pact. you know, you can really see that in a tremendous of part of the entire national identity of the checks, slovaks, polish folks, people up in the baltic states a serious amount of their entire national identity is found on the rest of the public. are completely anti russian in decimating the russian population, picking them out, treating them like crap things like this. and so you can see that there is a serious amount of, you know, people wanting to settle historical scores by jumping into this conflict in ukraine and back here in the czech republic where i live. we're training thousands of ukrainian troops and our eastern border is understands the lock is doing the same thing. and now apparently poland is training a large force that they are intending to use if you crane fails in their offensive . and so what you, what i think really is that, you know, when you,
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when you look at europe, you start out the east and the you and you go west, there's more skepticism towards the accomplish more west you get because people have a sort of, uh, well i think it's sort of kind of a pragmatism towards the snow and there is a certain amount of, you know, the, the, the population not feeling connected to it. i think that people in eastern europe, in fact, i know people in eastern europe here feel that well, that's because these people didn't have the so bad experience. they weren't oppressed by the soviets and they don't know what it's like to live in a rush or an occupation. that's what they say. even though i would argue that the soviet union's role here was a bit more complicated now. so in many ways, constructive some ways not so good, but you know, it's, it's more complicated that touched all bad like they've tried it, painted as, and so, you know, people here in check republic, somebody people and baltic states, as i mentioned, are there just angry and they're trying to take this out in any way, and they tend to be the most, the violence of these people and they have such a large voice. and that you, you know, if we look at the entirety, the, you,
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the member states. yep. significant amount of these people or former your in warsaw pact country. that's right. and there the ones who want to be, they are, is basically the victims that the west has to always say that is their image or say, yeah, don't you think broad that they take there is quote unquote, victim hood. and they say whole, but we're washington is on our side now. okay. 100 percent? sure, exactly. oh, i mean, the baltic states do that all the time. you know, they fold their arms insight, bit more planes. it'd be sent to ukraine, but they don't have any planes of their own obviously. okay, let me go to ralph here. i mean, this is one of the most interesting outcomes of this conflict is we've had a tipping of a balance of power in europe. we used to produce really not very long ago, think of the germans and the french and the italians are being kind of the center ballast now is, can ship it all the way to the east and you know, why? because they, it's that new europe. it's the american sense of washington that is empowering
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these people and diminishing germany and france. ralph? that's right. yeah. but what was interesting here and i do agree with brad what he just said. of course, i know in the as so called new york people are, you know, with their own history and historic experiences and so on day, but maybe more of the rep, i'm sorry to interrupt you. okay, my friend. okay. but anyway, i mean, why, why are they so angry with the russians? they don't, they are not angry with the germans anymore. i mean, kind of explain that to me. uh, yeah, but it's, it's, it's really like the code. yeah. to say that you've been in poland, i mean they won't have a reason to be still upset about us because we have occupied them in a very, very nice to payment denazi's and so on. so, i mean, but you see even in germany now in east germany, in the form of german democratic republic, which was part of the, of the soviet plus the state system. and now they are there and the population
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there is more rational, friendly. and in western germany, you will have more skepticism towards the restaurant. but in all of germany, you will have a growing this sentiment about this conflict because we are suffering in the way that we have our industry is being depleted from, but by not having enough energy resources, lots that to use to get from russia and all that so people are now asking, what else shall we do to help the ukrainians and can be not stopped to conflict? now especially since we know that obviously ukrainian terrace ro involved in the bombing of the pipeline not stream to that was of our interest to have gas to live up to. you know, that is no. i mean, the publicity in this regard is going very against a further support for ukraine, and this is all in germany and people asking, why should we suffer under this conflict? we are not part of it. we understand your brain is of trouble, the dresser, but what a step about us. so we don't have to is like the branch. i said,
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what the east and why the new new republics of the european union had, you know, that they had their own experience of the dresser and they are against the restaurant because of some solvent experience in east germany. it's vice versa. people the gentlemen that the soviet union does all the warsaw pact and went home. ok, i mean, and if you look in public opinion polls ralph in germany, year after year, i'm a pull reality of germans want the americans to leave the war is the about the time ago. a man, there's something about the brand real quick before i go to lorenzo. go ahead. yeah . what, what i wanted to say is that, you know, in my opinion, it's really discussing that eastern european republics. want to compare the complex down your brain to their experience under soviet rule, because on the one hand they say the people i've talked to check the visuals, you cannot relatable as accomplishing ukraine by comparing what americans in afghanistan, iraq. but at the same time,
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bill pro 1968 product spring that you and so we know what it's like to be oppressed by russian. this is not the same thing. 1968 made the conflict. a new crane look like brick and broadway, like cats or something is, is ridiculous to compare these things. and, you know, i discussed somebody here with the black. what i brought, i have to agree with here. you know, i'm of got died in the wall conservative. you know, russia, the russian federation and the soviet union are 2 different things. okay. and in this broad brush here is very a historical let me go to lorenzo lorenzo. it was interesting in the last new cycle, the, the new york times remarkably came out with an article about the not see problem in ukraine, which of course, all of us know about it. but it's such a problem that the new, the new york times had to address it. okay. because it is so you, big to it is in ukraine. and this is, you know, i look in europe and i did graduate studies in european history. what happened to europe? i mean, is ukraine worth the destroying your your, your prosperity and,
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and your isolated and creating isolation on the world stage as i find it, this is one of the most astounding outcomes of this complex lorenza or yeah. other than that, that's absolutely true and i agree with the previous be is the problem. it actually is that we have very rhetoric journal these 6 times here. the print especially i see here. we need to be completely changed the position comparing before the end of the work. you have to know if maybe you already know that the 90 percent of the citizens here needs on the rolled l to russia. sylvia against the coffee by the government is completely so me to do anything so and you for out of so which of the prominent that's what is happening is that of course be, is what is this trying? our economy was a really hard to the by year, so call me go crazy is i'm busy is because easily has been chosen. it has the leader in europe. i'm the nato, to produce web oems and to santa web bombs. and all these things in the ukraine for
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the work. so that's a problem because we are investing a lot of money in the world and we are carrying about all the social what a standard that we have here to manage. that's a huge problem and people fits these. what happened? also the needs of the we have the what, what you, the full of the boss is. we have a huge propaganda against the providence of us is man of shown all these and all but 90 percent of go there man, stop there. we were to where needed to buy the bottom left. ok. what happened now is we don't have more of this distinction between the rifle there. and people from there are leaving the rest of the way this crazy. they are defending the nazi ukraine. it's, it's crazy. it's really crazy. i don't want it squared things, but the, when you try to let them know if it's also the universities, as i teach a university based a that be,
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is it has the found being the defendants and also the termination of a nation. so that's important because these kinds of not see one of these can be saved by the q this all the masses that it's completely weird ankle beginning on saturday. here we say, how was this kind of propaganda? as we know, 50 pounds. i see, you know, he needs always because of our defendants by the united states, a wage on the borders, which we call he is the ruler, waive the router? well, this is, this isn't magic. the ad, the, you know, europe is advocated any kind of responsibility for a job to, it's a really, really discussing around, you know, going back to the new york times piece. you know, it's really interesting. i know you follow american politics, you know, even the public and the establishment left will claim that there is a nazi under every single rock, but they will not. they will not recognize that there are nazis walking around in care of it. is it completely insane? it is a world turned upside down. ralph:
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oh yeah. and that makes me very sad because we saw that after 1945 really like doctors, fascism and not so isn't that 3 know oh and about a new to me as well as in germany, we are seeing government supporting obviously not c red gym and k f, i mean this is so obvious and i'm really discuss it, but i want to say, well, lorenzo just said better, rightly be ok. actually last summer in the sense that's all i would say it onto italy is not summer run because the u. s. o student dictating us what to do in the well, they take the lights in italy as well as younger. i've been in germany. it's actually really, um, they bought into that they so all the language and the media and so on is pushing into that direction against the will of the people. so, i mean, the government in italy now has changed a couple of months ago, but you know, it's still, it's the same agenda that we see across here. all yeah. how are you,
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what do you remember, you know, rest of on delay and she said, we have the tools, we have the tools and well they use the tools are mentally, gentleman, that's all the time we have fascinating discussion. want to thank my guest when prompted by and, and emily, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our t. so you next time and remember prospect rules
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a ramones. we have talked to had guns and roses rolling stones, of course, frank ocean, which is his favorite. i usually start with that one the of the i hammer the wall, 17 times i understand that there's thousands of victims from gong fired with but there's 17 direct victims from the private informant. the we also have 17 flowers. so a way for me to somehow support these other families and make them be part of this
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without infringing the privacy or anything is to place a flower. you know, these, but the, i don't want you to know. so here's where i live with a live body for his right now is our margin for his life is large, you for your life. so this is from the i didn't know was before this, but i feel like i do not. it's indescribable, the amount of like work that is father's been doing. he's always there for us. and i think well, and then, well, we're,
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as we call him in our movement to many has become isn't really an uncle to us. it's amazing to see the amount of loving some nation's man can have passed through such tragedy occurred the the same. go back and look at these david was the greatest kid ever. he never gave us a hard time about anything. and neither was this one with the cap on the cherry
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