well as realize what they were up against, the side of what is better not to take deployed this of this interagency team consisting of f, b i c, i a state department communicators and state department officials to all salvador along with a j sock as well deployed it's, it's contingent and i ended up writing the, the 1st what was called the logistics cable, which ironically ends up and it was continuing to be used for that particular mission. so i was there for 4 years, and 1993 my my contract that scheduled the contractor was coming due and the decision of the incoming clinton administration was we can downsize on, on the terrorism front. and so my job went away and i became, at that point, the contractor almost immediately after leaving government. larry, you begin appearing as a pundit on television shows a new shows around the united states and which you gave commentary. you were

prescient in 1998. when you warned americans about osama bin lot and was consumed by hatred fronted. he would continue to terrorize americans around the world. he has no compunction about killing women and children. he's a complete attitude on quote, but you took some heat in 2001 when you published a piece in the new york times in which you argue that terrorism was not the biggest challenge that the us faced and that terrorism should not be portrayed that way, why the change in your analysis, i'm think to recognize that there is, are terrorist trucks out there and there are particular individuals or groups that can carry off those attacks. but then you've got to put it in perspective. it is not an excess dental truck by any measure. in fact, terrorism basically by definition, is the, uh, we do not have the ability to confront on a military base as a nation. they have to, you know, be more circumspect. and frankly,

it's more and taking just a part of what i was reacting to and seen at the time is that terrorism was being trumpeted in a way to maybe attract economy. you know, previously we had justified massive defense spending because we had to stop the spread of international communism. don't you know? well, once rochelle, what sort of the soviet union went away and rushed to emerge much weaker. all of a sudden that rationale no longer held up. and you had all these, the fed, the defense type, where are we going to get paid in law? behold terrorism, they just kept on giving to the advance of $911.00. good luck to just compete in what the united states that i know right after the bush administration came in the end of january, 2001. richard clark, kent prepared a very detailed memo, laid out what needed to be done to deal with the thread that was posed by,

i'll kind in a word. it was, it was genuine, and it was significant and that they were a hed international organized efforts. but that was rejected, it was ignored. there's supposed to be an enter agency meeting, chaired at the national security council on combating terrorism that that ceased. and the bush administration was to promoting building a missile defense system and noted was in that summer i believe that no george w bush exit and type ballistic missile tree. and that was important because the united states was planning at the time to try to develop and type ballistic missile systems that would, would frankly post a threat to russia. but then came a lot of conspiracy, thinner ones out there that it says that the united states and supplying that off.

but that's not the case of this was, this was a pure combination of bureaucratic incompetence, arrogance hubris. and then the bush administration immediately pivoted and made combating terrorism, the number one priority, and then anything that was done done by anybody who was supporting terrorism in any way. but if we campus, you know, united states policy at that point, what completely off the rails. so i would note that in november of 2000 november 7th, i believe was a precise date. milton bear with me, the former chief of station, and for this latter years, and i will put together an offer yet. and that off with a note of that whoever was the next president because it was still a dispute whether it was going to be al gore or george w bush, specific threats. it might work nea, who had been behind the bombings of the marine barracks and the us embassies,

and be rude in the mid eighties. and also, i'm a big one. yeah, i think i'd challenge anybody to go back to november of 2000 and find anybody else that was say, hey, you need to be prepared to deal with osama lot. so when i wrote that off out in the summer of 2001 i was so no, he doesn't believe that terrorism to threaten some is the greatest threat we face it is, it is has to be put in the context is the threat. it needs to be dealt with, but we don't need to exaggerate that. and it really became sort of a cultural to be public width and used to just apply on laundry. and then the legal policies. you have always been outspoken in your opposition to the manipulation of intelligence and intelligence analysis for political purposes. this tailoring of intelligence was a specialist ration and then vice president dick cheney and his senior staff were famous for cherry picking intelligence reports that fit their personal ideologies.

that led you to be an outspoken critic of the rock war and of the sea ice response to the rock for tell us i was, i was sitting at the nixon center with patrick lang and joe wilson among others charles crowd timer. so it was quite a mix of personalities. uh and uh, this was in january of, uh, 2003. and at the time that was the free lice. joe was married to my former c. i, a classmate, valerie plame. um and so and then no time to, to go, hey, my wife was a secret agent for, you know, none of that, that never came up. what we all sort of puzzling, really have some top secret intelligence they're not revealing. because none of this makes sense about her walk and then is it a folded? i had a conversation with one of our mutual friends, fulton,

and fulton. and at the time when he says there, hey, there is no evidence to this. and so at that point i began speaking out and i'm, i was recorded on national public radio with michelle norris, i believe in may criticizing, said that there was no justification for this page. um i work with a interesting is previous 6 months prior to that in november of 2002 i appeared on the handling and called show that time i was uh, fox news. and so i was getting paid, you know, 1000 bucks a week, which is pretty sweet deal. and i was asked if the route about the united states going into or walk. and i said the bike but to from. ready words that we should not invade iraq. well, i was then subsequently not asked to come back on any of the shows, even though they continued to pay me. and i found out later that roger ailes

specifically sent down words that i was not to be put back on air, or if it keeps office, of course. so that's where i, i learned that speaking out can have some consequences, financial and otherwise. but the, you know, i wouldn't change you were speaking with former c. i a, and state department officer larry johnson. stay with us. we'll take a short break and come right back. the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power of tired vision with no real opinions. i will confuse to really once a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can the double gym for me to put them for the gifts, but the side of celia was missed because it gets up through the new year. oh for g t. so i know from you teaching people, scholars should thoughtful and you would you with that the pressure is it the ocean and when you move, move them on the status of enforcement seamlessly, putting them on big lot of to move. let me look into that. i will just, i did i use one for so the i'll study to the progressive rock. i used to get shot finish. this is just all just for good news. i'm a fraction of when you come seem to do friday is the material ordering of our people for over of the, for sure. interested in the temperature of the emission to some of this

the show seemed wrong. just don't safe house and engagement equals the trail. when we choose to look for common ground the the the, the welcome back to the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with former larry johnson. larry, thanks again for being with us. larry. i think you surprised

a lot of people with your criticism of the obama administration that many saw be as harsh as your criticism of the bush administration. brock obama blowers and he surrounded himself with a lot of bad people from the c. i a. is that what your objection was to obama, or was it something deeper as well? the early days i was just just looking at his prior associations with, you know, where's the people associated with the weather underground? but i mean, he was, he was deliberately hiding his pass and it was, you know, the, the image that he betrayed and presented to the american public was not consistent . you know, for example, what i pointed right and indignation man, so i'm also carol and uh, actually i've tried to gain access friend of mine to retire f b, i hostage rescue team guy who is actually over in indonesia during to try to, you know, he got with some of his buddies there and they tried to access that material which

had already been all been cleaned out, cleaned up by who john brennan. so brandon had been active out working to help uh, burnish uh, rock. obama is image bama like like bush, they're both draughts and it actually in the, in some aspects. i think obama was more for the next is particularly when you look at what was done in the overthrow of governments in libya. you attempted over through the government of washer assorted syria. uh no, my god. the rise of the, of the, of the crew and the duly elected president may have been corrupt that he was still duly elected. all the obama was involved with the overthrow of more countries or attempted over throw more governments and george, doug. another of the myriad problems that many former ca officers have is with something called the publications review board. everybody who is ever worked for

the c, i a even if you work there for 15 minutes must submit every thing that he or she writes to the publications review board for clarence, the probably politicized. if you write something that's pro c, i a, you get it cleared quickly. if you're critical of the c i a, you can be bogged down in the process for years. i've certainly tangled with them. what is been your experience getting your writing cleared with the c i a have they tried to silence you? you know, i've had very little presented them apparently, and i did present that off for clarence and that was it. so what's really fascinating is say officers can go on any kind of television or radio and they're not required to get that pre clear. or is there any way to pre clear that kind of thing? so in other words, what you may have written in the book, you could have just gone on television and set it, and they couldn't have done it out there in the transcript recorded. then you go,

you know, then you're, you're free. all the other thing has been interesting is that not doing anything to go after people writing blogs and such and opinion piece. so it's, it's just, it's a very inconsistent policy. it's really, it has not caught up. let's read it back. when we were dealing with typewriters and the only form of communication were in books and magazines, and hard copy newspapers, i really created some problems for them. larry, your detractors say that you're a bomb thrower that you'd like to stir the pot. and you've been criticized in the past for saying that. michelle obama used the racial epithet against white people that john kerry committed a war crime in vietnam and that the british g. c h q had tapped donald trump's phone. how do you respond to that criticism? oh, well, there are 3 different things going on there. the 8 that was given to me initially

by said limit to hillary's bestbuy and said, said reached out to me and said, hey, i've got this information, can you, can you check on a concert? ok. so i started asking around, i checked with very respect to journalists in washington dc. ad all confirmed. yeah, we've heard that too. yeah, it's all i publish that on my blog. well, the thing with bar, and in fact the, the, the obama campaign put out a, a response telling me that no, michelle had said, why did he not wife. and i thought, well that, so i'd give that explanation if there was not such a take. but that was what does it show your child care? i went back and pressed that bloom implies that subordinate. this come from who's your source and he directed me to david brock. medium and i apologize. been writing for having been used by the clipping campaign in that

regard. just read that trying to just ration the whole thing about john kerry that was simply, i was repeating something that had popped up on my blog. it lasted for about 24 hours and i took it down to that whole john kerry thing is a complete, a red herring. the british spine on donald trump. absolutely. they did. it was, it was, is you know, the work around. see i to not spy on an american citizen? well, there's nothing there says but it is because they do. and the close relationship between the g c h q. and then it say, where the guy actually got personnel that sit side by side physically. and it's easy to pass information back and forth. oh, i know that was correct. i just didn't realize how extensive involvement of both the f, b i the c i was at the top. we stopped subsequently learn. they asked intelligence operation directed against donald trump. in fact,

i had one of our former colleagues who was a and he was a s i s level still in touch with folks back at the agency. he told me that one of his friends came and told him that he'd been approached by brendan about joining what they called the trunk task force. and this was the so you know that that's the kind of activity that is completely legal. i'd like to thank our guests, larry johnson, for taking the time to speak with us. and thanks to our viewers for joining us again today. i'd like to leave you with the words of american author and poet, audrey lord, who said, quote, i have come to believe over and over again. that what is most important to me must be spoken, made verbal and shared, even at the risk of having it bruised or mis understood, unquote. i'm john to react to the thanks whistle blowers until next time.

2 2 the ukraine's long anticipated counter offensive has indeed for gun, but it's not off to a good start. this does not bode well for the camp regime and loading and effectiveness of nato ukraine is failing since those the i really thought that we were going to die. i crawled all the way to the right and then i hid behind the 2 years before i was even born and business has to continue to stick with the system.

basically we want to make sure that certain too dangerous for a regular civilian shouldn't be in the hands, those people know where to start the we're hearing statements from the west and of course key of ethical hopes. good damn, was attacked by russia. the so called conclusions re cups gets the frame the roles for an international investigation into the destruction of the appropriate urban purchase that homes flooded on surrounding areas won't take law schools accused t ever by contracting the facilitate new daily dom mom, 3 driven named who spent 20 months in foster care of her parents vain. the girl was

rolling, separated from her from ventu. i've seen one month or 2 of us. she was with some old lady. it is quite a few months then she was suddenly different up from there and kept him some interviewed she the child. and she's not an object invited a lady that lives and bearing the bronx of the conflict brennan's suit um are in immediate danger, biking a restaurant in the northeast african countries for that i saw you. some people have already been filled there since the june, the 7th time. you know, neil, this is archie international. let's get into a top new story today. fresh invoice of the un as accused a waste of skits a freemium. so berkeley was moscow was responsible for the destruction of a must've dumb and high on region. an area which last year voted to be unified with russian. the breach of the gums left hundreds of homes flooded to mid apocalyptic

seats. which was the original screen we are already seeing. rather this information campaigns is we're hearing statements from the west and of course key of the whole sky damn was attacked by russia, the so called conclusions greek of us gets a frame. yeah. and we proceed from the fact that the criminal key of regime and its western patrons, which stubbornly pump it with weapons. they are full response. the key of regime has good teachers, cool counts for the blown up north stream and the tap condemn in syria. the west is used to doing the dirty work with someone else's hands. the emergency meeting of the un security council was convened to discuss the destruction of the down and the recent attack that was apparently carried out by ukrainian forces. now, when russian ambassador in the den z a took to the floor as the 1st council member to address this emergency meeting,

he emphasized how the ukrainian forces are becoming more desperate and more ruthless. and they are opt to be a relentless campaign of just information from western countries to cover up the various activities and atrocities the ukranian forces are committed. now, the united states to the floor of the council and proceeded to blame the entire situation on russia and argue that regardless of who and if the conflict in ukraine were not taking place and blaming the entire conflict in ukraine on russia. and these sentiments were echoed from the council by members of the council that are aligned with the united states. however, the concerns about the destruction of infrastructure we heard from china and other countries that emphasize the need for cooperation and a possible diplomatic resolution negotiations to resolve the conflict. so we're talking case like consequences we call from maximum restraint is necessary to

prevent will, can turn into a catastrophe, right? this is also necessary to ensure the safety of this upper region nuclear power plant. so they can assume that the crisis and ukraine is dragged on and there is a danger of escalation. the policies must show restraint, time, resume, peace negotiations. national community must do everything that is pallet would create favorable conditions for this conflict and challenges to the expected global fluid security floods have damage farm land and there are reports that farm animals that could not be evacuated, have ground to the damage to a productive farming region puts further spring on an already challenged global foot system. we call for de escalation and dialogue to drive this conflict towards a peaceful, sustainable solution in line with the un charter. and we stand willing to support any serious efforts to this end simple members of the security council, simply not agreeing in their assessment of world events. we had western countries

that seem to be insinuating, so how russia is responsible for destroying this down. and at this point, it's pretty clear that leading countries in the united nations security council just don't see eye to eye on recent events of the hot cold sky a hydro electric plant, it will seriously commerce on monday night with surrounding areas and going stream flooding soon. after now, the russian defense ministers call that a terrorist attack. finally, you frame while most go out of the move was also aimed at the private and try me of the fresh water it receives from the risk of war. power versus russia was responsible for the destruction while calling for new sanctions. so i'm a strong international response. now i'm, let's prove beneficial for you for need forces. here's one main reason why the potential flooding on the lower left bank and the her southern region where russian troops are stationed, would eventually lower the level of that in the upper river and sit and hurry out

that much vaunted hydro offensive moscow called for an international victim and how it's affected, the people, their pin, the blame on rush over the time a tucked despite the slim. whoever highlighted the apartment contradictions in the coverage, according to the main stream media, russia, one a tank the room pipelines to blew up the crime. a bridge 3 attacks or a nuclear power plant, full attack, the crime, a bridge fight, blew up there. i am. damn 6 attack the criminal which will escape and his allies in need a claim that moscow was watching some kind of work against nature. they neglect to admit the fact that russia is a side most affected by the latest active sabotage. the same officials who continued to refuse peace talk suddenly seemed to care about the environmental impact of war. and they are once again accusing russia of sabotaging itself as reports. note the destruction of the down

a bunch of water in residential areas on the east bank of the never river. and will we pry me with less fresh water supply? meanwhile, the russian regional administration is opera. she is warning that the attack will make it east power plant there. i'd be that you do, but i'm was it split up? the shelving of the neighbor can promote. does the land screw is slammed to send a landing forest and their guitar does devilish a foothold and then attempt to take control of this upper ocean nuclear power plant, especially given the fact that they've tried to do so. so destruction of the dam, ukrainian in western media works using russia of draining the co host for a reservoir earlier this year, which is not quite logical. it rushes, the alleged goal is to cause as much flooding as possible. the narrative, the russia is waging war against itself is nothing new, and it has been used more than a few times over the last year. that includes last september, when the western media was equipped to claim that not only was russia responsible, but that it had to move it to destroy its own infrastructure. but we don't know who

did it. but there's a question of who has the motive and who has the capability? and a lot of experts say russia, russia has the motivation, it has. so for going for this situation, it has the capability. one of the few countries to do is call virtually, it's highly likely in my opinion, that is rush. yeah. of course. now that investigative journalist seymour hersh reported that the united states was behind the attack. the media had changed their to the new are types now. so that was carried out by a pro ukrainian group, and the washington post says the u. s. was aware of the plans, the same playbook was used when the crime in bridge was attacked last october, which was celebrated i both ukrainians in their own lives. then there was the response to the drone attack on the promotion in may, i think this is an attempt to generate public support at home, maybe abroad because there is this an effort by a pretty soon. so try to find some way to escalate or again justifies more in

ukraine, there is a, a sequence of events based on, on, on the videos that came out that suggest that this was a, a controlled release. at the very least, the move appears to be they have to quietly admit that it was really ukraine, later on with those media, talking heads and politicians and never seem to ask why russia would keep destroying its own infrastructure. or why the wes needs to continue funding ukraine in a proxy? we're a guess russia, if russia is rachel blevins. well, despite the a part of the united stem, so much of the western media over them at tech, there are still some voices running country to the main stream. former fox news, so it's triggered constant as long as there's new show on twitter and a t pump. the reason why people are questioning kids accessible involvement and destruction, particularly for pipeline in september are too cold, liz, all about all the town. okay. know the story to keep you across up today.

there's being violent scenes in the west spike with protesters and police flushing, emotionally charged with saw the funeral of a palestinian toddler who died in hospital days after being shot by his release soldiers. several more locals are reported to being entered in what was a bach security operation. hundreds of people attended the funeral service for the 2. now.