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useless dyson says this, done by the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . if you crane's long anticipated counter offensive has indeed begun. but it's not off to a good start. this does not bode well for the cab regime, and more importantly, it is a testament to the effectiveness of nato ukraine is failing. and so is nato the cross talking offensives. i'm joined by my guess, rob niemeyer,
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we knew by the chairman of the council for a constitution and sovereignty in prague. we have brad blankenship. he is a comm this at c g t n. a freelance reporter refreshing was as well as an r t contributor and in italy we crossed to lorenzo maurice. but to me, he is an adjunct professor of political philosophy. andrea politics at l. d. m. international institute or a gentleman, cross type roles and the fact that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let me on a route 1st and sunny do by ro mean there's been a lot of it is this account or offensive is turned into a mean internet of itself. because if you look back and give it a wider angle here, the major backer of all this is of course the united states and nato. and there is no indication whatsoever that the bye didn't ministration wants to see. this complet comes in any time soon. so it's a lot of talk about this here. and of course, you know, we have this incursion over the last new cycle and already the new york times say,
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oh, this is just reconnaissance for the real thing. i mean, this is a, this counter offensive is turning into a unicorn. ralph? yes, i agree, but as you, it is not as they seem to have expected it. on the other hand, you have to study all the other conflicts that the united states impose on data. recently in the past. decades now have entered and where these are proxy wars and the, the, the proxy war of course is by itself speaking that it is not to direct confrontation . so still they say that they are not on the ground, but we see of course that, well, they are. well, you'll see these parts is an attacks that are even entering russia and that one t of even says, oh, it's not a soul address, but who is it then what it has to ask. and i believe that is the real strategy of course mystified, and cannot agree to and seize files of war. he has not entered officially,
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but you see these proxy was they have the tendency, like, let's call it the i've gotten use as a some of the ukraine right now. we will see for the next decade, probably always insurgencies from ukrainian territory also into russian territory. and neither side can really say they want it. so also russia has difficulties to maintain the, you know, the, the regions that they have. and i don't know who was responsible for, for the, the time that broke now. well, what was explode as you know, it's still not clear, but we've a learned about that more. and i believe this is part of the strategy to do half this military confrontation going on and on and on. and that is the sad thing to say. it's not the direct wall between russia and they to box the proxy wall and that's, that's what this absolutely. well, that's a really good point lorenzo. let me go to you right now because the crane can't win . so why and the war? that's a very perverse logic. but that's what we're getting down to because and you know,
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i think it's fair to say, i mean, again, it's shorthand ukraine's counter offensive. this is ne, toes offensive. the ukrainian army was destroyed last summer. this is completely new equipped with all kinds of essentially junk. they'd be made to countries. i'm sent to ukraine. but this is nato's offensive. and i think we shouldn't we, we should say what it is. i mean, not mimic what the west wants the world to believe. go ahead lorenzo a yes, of course i may tell it has been involved in the since the beginning it down as we know in the confidence to answer it. it's very important to ask to what they do. you the and also international low on which module what happens next to may depend . as we know, ukraine has been boasting about suppose, counselor, a fancy for months about whether not box video effective and only now often more than one year after it has meaning. passively arm is by the west of the nato,
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based off that encounter, fancy it. so i might be, and i suggest that the ukraine does not or know long, it has the resources to sustain the work that so can a year they have many best b. busy so they have many problems and only now, but you're finding kind of solution on the overhead. as we know the president's when i ask you, went around, you are asking to everyone for money and with homes, which you will only do way. you no longer have anything of that. so the rhetoric of the western press is always contradictory. now, key of could happen best for we gain a few kilometers of the re 3, probably by continuing to promote then yes. and the russian army with new off by so maybe on citizens. so again, it could make mosse and use of the government's resides by the west to try to regain a few tones. i don't believe wherever there um they,
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we resize more with on some more helps for from made. so yes, of course natal wants to continue to work, but they don't know how to spend all of this money. they don't have more research, especially because nato is using european resources to do that. so um, in the worst case scenario, do you have, we pro such a strong counter attack from russia van it would be forced to change? it's still not the strategy. and that's, that was seen a real to, i believe, however, that the russia will not respond in uh, uh, hung in demand box. we keep a fee of agree on a small physical criteria. and in this period, russia is we think it's very important. i can see is all around the word for multiple or talk to ship a sofa believing natal and the counties of europe a bit, types of the meat of to natal increasingly easily to what that's made
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a theme i've been discussing ever since the start of the complex, i agree with you completely. brad. i mean, what is the best case scenario for this, you know, fabled counter offensive and what, what did they want to achieve other than to show their backers in the west, but they're actually doing something. okay. i mean that is a terrible waste of manpower. it's a really well, it's not a waste. it's disgusting. go ahead, brad. well, i think you see, you said it exactly right. i mean this counter offensive, but he is launching or it's soon to be launching, as we all dissipate is completely a marketing strategy. and they're doing it to show that they are actually, you know, a fighting force that's capable of actually turning the tide at the conflict. now, you know, i saw this austrian colonel and he talked about why moscow strategy might fail, that, you know, they're digging in deep in the trenches and southern and eastern ukraine. similar to what branch did with the marginal line. you know,
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it's hitler folders through belgium and so a lot of people on twitter said, uh yeah, i mean what, what software a nation is ukraine going to both of those through to get to, you know, these regions of ukraine that are now occupied by russia. uh, i think the, the strategic thinkers kind of overestimate themselves in the ability of do you have right now, but i, i think, you know, what might come in with this was like, yeah, i'm sure that a lot of people in the ukraine are versus, will definitely take inspiration from pillar in their offensive. i'm completely sure of that and i think it's pretty well understood. yeah, well the main browser for looking at offensive and it's made german, our den offensive. and in 1944, which was obviously a failure. so um, but that was one way to right, yeah. that was one way to keep the conflict going. okay. let me go back to ralph, you know, well the, the, the, i'm really kind of sick and tired of hearing this conversation about a ceasefire. of course,
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we want the violence to and i know how it showed in and there should be receiving change in, in care of and that will be the start of the end of this conflict here. but in lieu of that, there's only a military solution. there is no political solution to this at all. ralph did receive that and the anybody who was trying to mediate in this conflict and lately we heard it from loud, the silver, the president of brazil who said that he wanted to meet the i don't even talk a bit of a distance publicly now to watch rush out in order to become such play a box. um, nobody wants him to do it obviously, and i'm trying to also try to, to play that role and a sofa. couldn't so, unless the united states of america and nato are agreeing to that. i don't see any jobs for a diplomatic solution here. and i, well, we have elections coming up in the united states. and of course there's conflict
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and ukraine is immensely unpopular there. i don't think that any candidate running for president or for senate now can say, oh, we want to continue forever. it was a, you know, they, they around, i have to say, oh, we want to get out of it, but i, i'm raising, well, i don't know. i don't know how to know ralph. i have to push back a little bit on that. it's, it's another one of the themes on this program. this is an a lead project in a lead project and nato and a lead project in the united states. i mean, there's j. d vance out there. my favorite side are but he's all the one person. okay. josh hallway is another, but you know it a, there's a consensus of the leads. now if you go and talk to the rank and file, particularly among republicans, you're right. this war is not popular, is never been popular because nobody knows why the u. s. is backing the regime in cab, let me go to lorenzo before we go to the break here. so i mean, the reason why i say that can be no ceasefire because of that, the ceasefire is not
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a political solution and there's not going to be an arm. is that like in south korea, that's not going to happen. go ahead, go ahead learn. so i think somebody believe that the sort of shop always succeeds. that's a problem that nowadays we don't use a diplomacy enough and we don't teach more to do is go on and see every town. so usually have is this behavior of feeling their sale of it as the 1st and the worse . so they have this kind of an age a more, a style in diplomacy. the problem is this key is that we're nap. no, no one of the words as being done by chance. no one ever comes by chance, but it's being afforded because what a ukraine, i think it's the leaves for years of planning since the fall of the soviet union. so the current fleet has alternate logical scope, not just the ability to go around, which is why i believe that americans would never see kind of diplomacy. and consequently, of course me, but it was of ask you. yeah, but as lorenzo on so if you're going to have you're going to have diplomacy,
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then you have to have compromise. and that's something they. so america will never do that. okay. they may have to wait or do the interest need for a start too high for them because having a for lorenzo, let me jump in here. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on offensive to stay with our team, the the, the
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the total i'm total c skit, the dental c skin out of the cool with the feed that you sent those last i was, i'm only on is zacko, go on that, they're not showing interviews for it up and you're not ish. what full state taxation? you folks have tried? i'm not sure. but i, she's the instructional you have about john long would love to go. just talk a little you should see those sheets of those a go. there's a little c, a years ago. sales, custom ghost like friends here was the months the i'm a photo skin. she was a but all you know and about the show on circuit most to go to court order for
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statements, but go out. and so usually it comes to from getting into to 30, you're open when you get a mind for sure. most of my crutches at the school can you? i need to console. you provided to your site was the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify will confuse really once a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, present it is, but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the welcome back across the top. were all things are considered. i'm beautiful
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about your mind. you were discussing both ends of the army. let's go back to a brad in, in, in prague. you know, one of the reasons why i say there is no political diplomatic solution to this is well in the last new cycle. we had petra porter shed code that 1st a leader of the post qu regime of both. i think it was to a tally and media boasting how you know, all right, we arms ukraine, all you know, in lieu of the minsk agreements here. and so we had our anglo merkle say the same thing we had whole lot in say the same thing. and now we have an in lensky even admitted himself. so, i mean, that's why i keep going back. there's going to be no diplomatic solution because there's no trust. why wouldn't moscow trust any of these characters when they gleefully admit that they were deceitful? go ahead breath. you know,
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the thing that i think is quite interesting about your referral and this conflict is that you know, that someone who lives in the former warsaw pact, you know, you can really see that in a tremendous of part of the entire national identity of the checks slovaks all which folks people up in the baltic states a serious amount of their entire national identity is found on the rest of the public, are completely anti russian in decimating the russian population. picking them out, treating them like crap things like this. and so you can see that there is a serious amount of, you know, people wanting to settle historical scores by jumping into this conflict and ukraine. and back here in the czech republic where i live, we're training thousands of ukrainian troops and our eastern border is understands the lock is one of the same thing. and now apparently poland is training a large force that they are intending to use. if you crane fails in their offensive, and so what you, what i think really is that, you know, when you, when you look at europe, you start out the east and the you and you go west,
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there's more skepticism towards the conflict. more west you get because people have a sort of uh, well, i think a certain kind of pragmatism towards the snow and there is a certain amount of, you know, the, the, the population not feeling connected to it. i think that people in eastern europe, in fact, i know people in eastern europe here feel that well, that's because these people didn't have the so bad experience. they weren't oppressed by the soviets and they don't know what it's like to live in a rush or an occupation. that's what they say. even though i would argue that the soviet union's role here was a bit more complicated now. so in many ways, constructive some ways not so good, but you know, it's, it's more complicated that such, all bad, like they've tried it painted as, and so, you know, people here in check republic, somebody people and baltic states, as i mentioned, are there just angry and they're trying to take this out in any way, and they tend to be the most, the violence of these people and they have such a large voice. and that you, you know, if we look at the entirety, the, you, the member states. yep. significant amount of these people are former, your warsaw pact,
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country that's right. and they're the ones who want to be they are basically the victims that the west has to always say that is their image or say, yeah, don't you think proud that they take there is quote unquote victim hood. and they say whole, but we're washington is on our side now. okay. 100 percent? sure, exactly. oh, i mean, the baltic states do that all the time. you know, they fold their arms. it's a bit more planes. it'd be sent to ukraine, but they don't have any planes at their own obviously. okay, let me go to ralph here. i mean, this is one of the most interesting outcomes of this conflict is we've had a tipping of a balance of power in europe. we used to produce really not very long ago, think of the germans and the french and the italians are being kind of the center ballast now is, can ship it all the way to the east and you know, why? because they, it's that new europe. it's the americans, it's washington that is empowering these people and diminishing germany and france . ralph? that's right. yeah. but what was interesting here and i,
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i do agree with brad what he just said. of course, i know in the so called new york people are, you know, with their own history and historic experiences and so on day, but maybe by the rep, i'm sorry to interrupt you. okay, my friend. okay. but anyway, i mean why, why are they so angry with the russians? they don't, they are not angry with the germans anymore. i mean, kind of explain that to me. a yes but it's, it's, it's really a wide victoria to say the big men in poland. i mean, they won't have a reason to be still upset about us because we have occupied them and they're very, very nice to payment denazi's. and so, so, i mean, but you see even in germany now in east germany, in the form of german democratic republics, which was part of the, of the soviet plus the state system. and now they are there, the population, there is more rational, friendly and in western germany, you will have more skepticism towards the restaurant. but in all of germany,
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you will have a growing this sentiment about this conflict because we are suffering in a way that we have our industry is being depleted to it from, but by not having enough energy resources, lots that to use to get from russia and all that, so people are no asking what else shall we do to help the ukrainians and can be not stopped to conflict? now especially since we know that obviously ukrainian terrace ro involved into bumping of the pipeline not stream to that was of our interest to have gas delivery trucks or, you know, that is no. i mean the publicity in this regard is going very against. 2 the support for ukraine, and this is all in germany and people asking, why should we suffer under this conflict? we are not part of it. we understand your brain is of trouble, the dresser, but what a step about us. so we don't have to is like the brand just said what the east and why the new new republics of the european union had, you know,
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that they had their own experience as a dresser and they are against the restaurant because of some solvent experience in east germany, it's vice versa. people the gentlemen that the soviet union does all the warsaw pact and went home. ok, i mean, and if you look in public opinion polls ralph in germany, year after year, i'm a pull reality of germans want the americans to leave the war is the about the time a go? a man, there's something about the brand real quick before i go to lorenzo. go ahead. yeah . what, what i wanted to say is that, you know, in my opinion, it's really discussing that eastern european republics want to compare and accomplish down your brain to their experience under soviet rule. because on the one hand, they say the people i've talked to check the visuals, you cannot relatable as accomplishing ukraine by comparing what americans in afghanistan, iraq, but at the same time, bill pro 1968 product spring, which means that we know what it's like to be oppressed by russia. this is not the same thing. 1968 made the conflict. a new crane look like brick and broadway like
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cats or something is, is ridiculous to compare these things. and, you know, i discussed somebody here with the black. what i brought, i have to agree with here, you know, i'm of got died in the wall conservative. you know, russia, the russian federation in the soviet union are 2 different things. ok. and in this broad brush here is very a historical. let me go to lorenzo, lorenzo. it was interesting in the last new cycle, the, the new york times remarkably, came out with an article about the not see problem in ukraine, which of course, all of us know about it. but it's such a problem that the new, the new york times had to address it. okay. because it is so you, big to it is in ukraine. and this is, you know, i look in europe and i did graduate studies in european history. what happened to europe? i mean, is ukraine worth the destroying your your, your prosperity and, and your isolated and creating isolation on the world stage as i find it,
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this is one of the most astounding outcomes of this complex lorenza. yeah. other than that, that's absolutely true. and the i agree with the bring has to be is the problem. it actually is that we have very rhetoric journal these 6 times here. the price especially i see here. we need to be completely changed the position comparing the for the work. you have to know that maybe you already know that the 90 percent of citizens here needs on the role of al over russia. sylvia against the compet bought the government is complete. it is me to do anything so and you for out of so which of the prominent that's what is happening is that of course be, is what is this trying? our economy was a really hard to the by year. so call me go crazy, is i'm busy is because easily has been chosen. it has the leader in europe. i'm the nato, to produce weapons and to santa web homes. and while these, these m. yeah, the ukraine for the work. so that's a problem because we are investing
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a lot of money in the work and we are carrying about all the social work there that we have here to manage. that's a huge problem and people fits these. what happened also needs are the we have the, the what, what you, the full of the boss is, we have a huge propaganda against the providence of boss is may not some of these and all but 90 percent of government and stuff that we went to. where needed to buy at the bottom left. ok. what happened now is we don't have more of this distinction between the right to left and people from left are leaving the rest of the way this crazy. they are defending the nazi ukraine. it's. it's crazy. it's really crazy how long it's squared is that the, when you try to different noticed ulta, the university is, as i teach a university based a that be, is yes, the founding the defendants and also the termination of a nation. so that's important because these kinds of not see one of these can be
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saved by the, to this all the masses that it's completely weird ankle beginning on saturday. here we say, how was this kind of propaganda? as we know, 50 pounds. i see, you know, he needs only because of our defendants by the united states, which are the borders which we call he is the ruler, waive the rulers. wow. this is, this isn't magic. the ad, the, you know, europe is advocated any kind of responsibility for a job here. it's a really, really disgusting ralph. you know, going back to the new york times piece. you know, it's really interesting. i know you follow american politics, you know, even the public and the establishment left will claim that there is a nazi under every single rock, but they will not. they will not recognize that there are nazis walking around in care of it. is it completely insane? it is a world turned upside down. ralph: yeah, and that makes me very sad because we saw that after 1945 really like doctors,
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fascism and not so isn't that 3 know oh and about a new to me as well as in germany we are seeing government supporting, obviously nazi restroom and k f, i mean this is so obvious and i'm really discuss it, but i want to say well, lorenzo just said but rightly be ok actually last summer in the sense that's all i would say it onto italy is not summer run because the u. s. o student dictating us what to do in the well, they take the lights in italy as well as younger and diamond a is actually really um they bought into that they so all the language and the media and so on is pushing into that direction against the will of the people so, i mean, the government initially now has changed a couple of months ago, but you know, it's still, it's the same agenda that we see across here. all yeah. how are you, what do you remember, you know, rest of on delay and she said we have the tools, we have the tools and well they use the tools on emily,
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gentleman that's all the time. we have fascinating discussions, what i think my guess and prompted by and, and emily, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. and remember, prospect rules the, [000:00:00;00] the, the russian states never as tight as one of the most sense community best english. i'll send, send up the, in the 65 with this new speed. what else calls question about this?
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