knows the exact statistics and i am very skeptical that the statistics are accurate because when those statistics like that data point are measured, they're almost always measured in the context of trying to approve anti refugee policies, anti migration policies. so i don't actually trust them. i think they're, they're, um, they're, there's sometimes inaccurate and, and maybe sometimes they are accurate. now, the idea of one rotten apples boiling the whole barrel. there is something to that idea, at least in terms of perception, in that a lot of the refugee populations. and we'll have something go wrong either visa be between them and the state, you know, the host, the host country state or between them and the, and the host country society. and then it gets blown out of proportion. and it becomes this idea that this society is under threat in crisis. i saw this myself

about 67 years ago when after working in the mediterranean, with, with refugees and migrants trying across the mediterranean, immediately after that, like the very next year we're talking 2015 in the 2016. there were all these claims that crime had gone up in places like paris, berlin, and they would, in, in the things that i saw on the internet internet, they would enter splice video of sort of random chaos. and then run a slogan, saying, crime has shut up. well now you fast forward to 2023, and nobody's talking about it. at least they're not talking about that particular wave of refugees, which was massive. it was well over a 1000000 people that made it to europe and nobody's talking about the crime instead. you hear a much deeper story about how some of those refugees have done quite well. they've

been in effect to become activist in germany. they're, they, they've learned german, there they're, they're working for the betterment of german society and their own populations at the same time. and as far as i understand, it's mostly a positive story. but you'll still hear these one, apple, you know, spoiling the rest of the barrel type of stories where things do or things are said to be in crisis. and i just don't believe that to be the case. how the city is now been over populated after opening themselves to all the refugees. and does this decrease the quality of life for the original inhabitants? the population has grown and then and there i would refer to my own society. in other words, virginia uh, from fredericksburg, virginia, up to northern virginia. the population is growing, and some of that population is a refugee population. but i don't think the refugee population is the primary

driver of the population grew. what's primarily driving it is urban, ization and, and the search for corporate jobs and the successful search for corporate jobs like amazon, h, q 2 up in northern virginia. and, and, and in effect the, the, the state government is trying to attract all of this economic activity, which they've successfully done. and that is driving population growth. so at least in, in my surroundings, in virginia, there is population growth, but i don't think it's the refugees. i think there may be 5 to 10 percent of the total that the 80, the 80 to 90 percent of the total is coming from other parts of the united states, which aren't doing very well. and relatively speaking. now another point about the idea that they're causing population growth and making life worse for the host community, i would offer

a calendar of vision. and that is that there are many examples up until now, where there are either rule or more often, urban environments where the neighborhood has in effect, been a disaster for the last 40 years and refugees come in and they make that neighborhood drive. that is happening far more frequently. then having a situations where refugees are causing the population to boom, which is pushing out who's community and individuals. it's much more frequently the case that under invested left behind communities in places like newark new jersey or, or, you know, detroit, michigan or just pick any city that doesn't sound like it's doing very well. certain neighborhoods in those cities are thriving now because of refugee populations are for us and the bill i'll to create a will be joining us right after the break. while many countries have received

a large number of refugees a year after year, many countries have received almost none. so what are these countries doing to prevent refugees from coming into their country? well, have more after the break, the culture offensive. what counter offensive was it rains?

we can attack along 5 sections of the front, merely an expensive p r stands, it would seem so washington has no interest in seeing this. how unplugged and this votes badly for ukraine n the rolling of the us over to the board. you know cranium. doria, so name? yeah i did. she ship a dr. meano's report. the control room for 2 of us 26. you get the system really being you have enough the lots and lots of products and that's what i see mean. yeah. well, we did the boot uh, fox shows actually hits streams uh, fox news, but i'll let you drive both on the on their own crazy. if that's where you store lot of the my software, but just go to, you store no satellite. if she ever always gives us, what are we shipping that just stick with a lift

or slip that came over to them. i need deals says that you are in school, so that's for and use a only for each of them. but for couple years you're not to buy these folks. but i'm saying, yes, i see the best way to, to recreate you take a picture of, i'll go with the straight face of the welcome back to the cost of everything. while many countries have received a large number of refugees year after year, many countries have received almost none and are doing everything they can to prevent refugees from coming into their country. japan accepts the least number of refugees for a major country and economy as they say,

and must look after its own before allowing refugees. japan also wants to preserve their age and culture and fear that adding refugees or migrants to their population will affect their culture. in other countries who have strict policies on refugees include hungary, south korea, saudi arabia and guitar. other countries like saudi arabia are similar, being rich and oil. is that a similar level to japan? in western europe, portugal has received the fewest refugees at point 03 percent. these countries have been quite peaceful in recent years compared to the route sweden, belgium, germany, and the u. k. are taking and they're now experiencing higher rates of crime in italy. authorities have increasingly refused to allow boats with asylum seekers to dock in their ports. however, once the conflict broke out in your pain, many european countries that have been the most negative about receiving refugees from outside europe such as poland, hungary. in slovakia,

they actually became the largest recipient for a written ukraine. refugees, the vast majority has led to poland, which now houses almost 1200000 refugees. more than 6000000 have been displaced by the conflict and ukraine. estimates are that hosting an integrating ukraine. refugees could cause toast nations an estimate of $30000000.00 in just the 1st year alone. the people have also pointed out that ukraine refugees have generally been well received. which contrast it with the way refugees from other parts of the world are treated. and this should not be ignored as a different treatment received by refugees from ukraine compared to those come from countries outside of europe is in some extent rooted in seen a phobia, an opposition to muslim immigration. this is particularly noticeable in poland, where fences were be erected on the border with feller roost pushing asylum seekers from the middle east and africa back while ukrainians are being welcomed with open

arms. and 4 more, let's bring in again bill out to create a professor of middle east history at the university of mary washington. so professor, obviously it is a humanitarian thing to do and the right thing to do. but are there any benefits to accepting mass refugees or are the countries who accept refugees now just struggling with the extra burden on society? i think that's absolutely accurate. there was all of this hemming and hawing when the syrian refugees originally came in 2015. and again, that was a very large movement, it was over a 1000000. but now these years later, they're mostly doing very well. and they were not treated well by many players, including other east european states that tried to prevent their trends, their transportation over their territory when they were just trying to get to germany. and

a more recent example that plays into the ukrainian crisis directly is the example that happened like 2 or 3 months before the launch of the, the russia, ukraine war. and that was a number of refugees were in bella, who's trying to get to poland. and what i think was november december of 2021. it was a month or 2 before the invasion. and in that case, it was only a matter of, of, of a few dozen, or maybe a few 100 refugees who are largely iraqi kurds. from what i remember and the poles, the polish government, was doing everything it could to keep them away from poland. because once they reached poland, they could claim asylum. so they were, they didn't use live ammunition to the poles credit. they used water, cannon, beatings, push backs from the wall from the fence, and they pushed them back in the bellows. and eventually,

those refugees were trying to make it to the you were pushed back into balance loose and i'm not sure what happened to them. now, not, not 6 weeks after that. or maybe a couple of months after that, russia launched the invasion of ukraine. and it was all open arms. everybody was doing anything they could for the ukrainian refugees all over the world. now i don't have anything against ukrainian refugees. i think they deserve a fair shake and a chance to live safely and securely. but i would argue that so do syrians, and so do you, rocky curds and so do lebanese. and so do ask ends. it's not just something that is, is there for bella, luce, sorry, ukrainian refugees? it's something that should be there for any refugee. there are many people criticizing their country that have been more open to ukraine, refugees and syrian refugees because they are white. what do you make of this situation? and another, another historical point, if i may be

a historical point and this is kind of a footnote the history, it's not something that's extremely famous. but in world war 2, there were several 1000 polish refugees who took refuge any wrong. the story is always intrigued to me because i don't know how they got from point a to point b or really how many it was. but it was a, it was a sizable number, and they were welcomed with open arms as far as the story goes, any ron? and then after the war they returned to poland. again, the details escaped me and it's a, it's a fascinating story. but it can show that in, in the reverse, at least in that one occasion, they were provided refuge, refuge. they think these refugees will ever return to their home country, or did they look like a permanent migration, as well and not known? i would, i would point to the vietnamese in the united states. so in 1975,

there was this title wave of vietnamese refugees fleeing south east asia. so they weren't just feeding amazing, retires cambodians, lotions, etc. and this, this tidal wave of southeast asians ended up in the us, um, primarily in california, but not only and i grew up in new orleans. and a lot of those vietnamese ended up in southern louisiana. which in a way was logical because they're going from a catholic society to a catholic society. and a lot of them were south vietnamese who were catholic and they were going from a fishing society to a fishing society. and back in the 1970s. again, i was a child back then, but i distinctly remember that there were like fist fights between cajun fishermen in vietnamese fishermen. and i distinctly remember that the vietnamese held all the low wage jobs in the supermarkets and gas stations in the mid seventies. now you

fast forward 50 years later, and the representative from new orleans east, which is where most of the vietnamese live, is a vietnamese americans. and they've added things to new orleans culture. that's very positive. for example. i don't know if anyone in the, in the, in the audience is familiar with king cakes. but it's a big thing in new orleans around marty garad. i have a king cake which is a type of pastry with a baby in the middle. well, when i was growing up, the king kicks were in edible. there was this company called mackenzie's that would make it and sprinkle some powdered sugar on top. it was terrible, always stale, just awful. well the v and the means of reinvented the king cake. and in new orleans now the best king kick in the entire city comes out of a v as in the means bakery and new orleans each and that community is driving and they're reinventing even north one's culture. and after katrina, that community was devastated by katrina. i mean,

totally leveled and they were back within a year because they helped each other get through that at the destruction financially. they helped each other and they're still striving. that as an example of what can happen on a positive level with even a refugee population, just wait, continue to have your education, let them work, an honest job. 50 years later, everything's much, much better. thank you so much, professor for your all your time today. and there are very few winters when it comes to global catastrophes that involves so many displaced people. while the refugees are the biggest losers who have lost everything, their homes, their way of life, their country, the neighboring countries, are also feeling the effects as well. having to receive millions of refugees, many people feel over whelmed by the numbers and see people moving across the borders. but the people are not the problem here. rather,

the causes that drive families and individuals to cross borders is the real problem . whether that be war persecution, human rights violations, or any other crisis. hosting refugees is just a short sighted solution and unrealistic, that is unsustainable in the long run. i'm christy, i thanks for watching and we'll see you right back here. next time on the cost of everything, the, the toner, it will see skit they should, they will see skin out of the cool with the that you sent those last i was, i movie on is zacko. go on that good option and you know, he's uh, filled up in united short, full state taxation, the full section of the show that i, she's the instructional gave about john long would love to go. just talk

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window without wish to see it in my last thought, it looked you. this has been a little bit more and i'm just waiting for the the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle counter offensive. what counter offensive was the trains recent attack along 5 sections of the front, merely an expensive p r stunt. it would seem so washington has no interest in seeing this conflict. and this modes badly for ukraine, n ukrainians, the

cross saki in public relations as war. i'm joined by my guest, alexander h on in st. petersburg. he is a senior lecture at st. petersburg state institute of technology in tulsa. we have jeremy whose model he is a managing editor of cobra, action magazine, and in finland, macross democracy, or he's a finish political blogger and commentator hard gentleman cross sack roles. and in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, alexander, i will go to you 1st here and you, you have a tender age or of any other than the rest of us here. but, you know, watching what's going on with in ukraine, particularly with the, the, the destruction of this damn. we don't know exactly what happened, but i think we can presume, considering we have other incidents of a similar kind over the last 15 months. it reminds me growing up when i was told by the us military that we had to destroy the village to save the village. it sounds very much like the same thing going on. now, the ukraine's western partners are encouraging ukraine to destroy their own country, to i guess,

save the country your thoughts alexander as well. and you mentioned age. so if you look at what people are saying on social media, like read it as, you have this very confusing situation where they say, oh, all of ukraine's 1991 borders are ukraine. those are their people. but then they're very happy that these people are now suffering their entire cities and villages being flooded by the effects of this damn being destroyed. so on the one hand, they're ukrainian, so they belong to ukraine. on the other hand, their russian enemies deserves to be punished. so it's quite confusing, they're trying to, i don't, i don't know how these folks don't see the fact that none of this lines up logically, but it's all just very ideological. so none of that really needs to make any kind of sense. it's all in a motional game, and this also plays into the media strategy that the us and western partners are using, which is that all of it is logically complete nonsense. none of the things that

they say make any sense, but it's all emotionally driven. so they show some pictures or make some claims and then everyone is expected to have a certain emotional response to what they're reporting. but that's apparently working out well enough for younger generations for resume or as millennials and apparently upwards of half of the baby boomers and generation x. so it's kind of disappointing that people aren't being more critical under thinking in analysis in western countries. yeah, well it's jeremy. yeah, i saw that wasn't that long ago now we don't have to go back in history looking at the drum beat to war in iraq, you know, and after, well, we'll never let that happen again. no, we learned our less and we, you know, we'll be more skeptical. this is far, far worse than it was to the, the drum beat toward the rocks far, far worse, because there's no defense allowed. jeremy. yeah, i mean the scene repeatedly,

i guess people seem to feel. busy for it, every time you know the sod and syria, they believe the propaganda about that could daffy. you have even alter the media, were, you know, demonizing, these kind of leaders, whether it's could nasa saw put in. and it's a similar strategy that was used back in the cold war was, you know, for the castro when the us was carrying a terrorist activity on cuba. and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing terrorist activity a blowing out pipeline bombing irrigation is down. i mean that that was a crime for which nancy leaders were prosecuted in hong at nuremberg. this is really just great, a high level of war crime or seeing. and yeah, this is sad as he's pointing out that so many american public are going along with this. and i was as even like people on the left, they'll live in tulsa, oklahoma, and the, what do you, guthrie say a this leslie icon? woody guthrie is center on and push the riot if i what is the russian band that year and age on stage on pollutants. and they had all these stand with ukraine,

t shirts. they were handing out the crowds of the volume and i was at the event. well, you know, the, we'll have to do a separate program and how the left has become pro war a in, in my lifetime. i remember the anti war movement that is a child during the winding up of the vietnam war. that's a topic for another day, marco, let me go up to you in finland here. one of the most interesting news events of the last not a cycle is that there are reports, there's nothing concrete here that a countries like poland mason, their own troops there, and they coalition of the willing what you've heard, that phrase before. we know how that all worked out here. i mean, this is an intentional escalation here. and because russia has not responded up, the escalation, lighter doesn't mean it won't in the future. this is extremely dangerous because from a russian point of view, poland is a nato country. so i mean, you know, and they, then we, we don't have the,

they're forcing an article 5. but by doing that, they're ignoring article one of the native trees. not the star wars. go ahead marco in finland. yes, i've seen these this winter escalate is coming to the 3. what is i'm going to need to attend? we have already seen that introduced media and they are being rip or coming and going through some stuff is saying that, ok, this was the rest of us doing on this. all right, so as far and i don't know the scores, but now even is as the as a declared war on tweet to, i guess between so and so this will go to very diag direction. yeah, well the main to be is going to have their matches amazing today. oh, something about the castle too. so that's the truck. i think they are a gathering together to try to achieve

a consensus of what to do next and how to go against dressing next. you know, it's very interesting, alexander, i remember a few years ago doing. i don't remember why we were doing a program on a rack, and while there was an a i c, i a apologised on defending american occupation of the rack. and i, i asked him a very simple question. i said, don't you think the american government is healthy, rac enough? after all of this, i think you can ask the same question and we help the radians and up. i mean, because what we see is we know you look at the demographic decline of the country. it's dramatic and no, no country like a in modern history seems such a dramatic declining demographics. we have it's completely uh, on lifeline with the west and couldn't running its economy and whatnot, paying pensions and whatnot. and now the, you destroyed the livelihoods of tens of thousands of farmers in the,

in the southern part of ukraine. i mean, i can see how this is helping ukraine, alexander as well. ukraine is being used as a tool, obviously, and they're fully willing to sacrifice that. i suppose, on some level that makes strategic sense. given that ukraine has been a part of russia for centuries. so in some way is just using a part of russia against russia, so they don't care what the casualties are, the damage and the loss of life is because, well, it's a good deal for them. as senator lindsey graham has pointed out into other warhawks in the senate and the house. so for them is a great deal. and the other issue is apparently the push for war from some of the leads in washington, who apparently would like to start world war 3 with russia and china, apparently simultaneously. there are apparently not losing steam here. so the push for war continues, and i think they're on

a schedule here because the way economically everything is going and mel. it's early on the ground and into ukraine. they have to start the war sooner rather than later. because the longer this goes on to week or the west position is going to be . so a year ago larry thinks the ceo of black rock was going on fox news. and he was asked, well, how long? well, you know, are, is, is the west going to win the economic war against russia any immediately said, 0100 percent. we're going to be trash economically. well, here we are a year away from that prediction. very, very confident prediction. and here, russia's standing just fine, china is better backing up russia economically, and there's multiple countries that are starting to leave the us war of it. so things are looking very good for the west. strategically, they're running out of time and it looks worse and worse for them as we go forward . and jeremy reflects upon that because alexander is absolutely right. i think

because we see the north stream, we see the destruction of this down here. i mean is there, this is a kind of escalate, is cut in terrorist activity, but it's a, as on an escalation ladder here and they're preparing for the next big thing. a dirty bomb because alexandra is right. i mean me, there's no way nato is going to win this war in a conventional sense. and i mean, you can go to up the ladder to nuclear weapons obviously. but veto sending all the trinkets in junk said they, they, they, the west has an use in their warehouses, is being sent to ukraine. they don't know how to use it. a lot of it doesn't work. a lot of his danger is actually here. so they need a p r, so that's why i'm calling this program in a, it's a, it's a war. it's p r because this is the only thing that they can keep people's attention and motivation. jeremy. yeah, uh, i think part of their aim is just to keep the word going. bob, russia isn't ukraine, like they did an afghanistan. i think the blueprint is of gamma stand, the eighty's where you know, brzezinski came out.