experimented with chad to b t and being a i bots and i've noticed that they are effectively trying to cure a reality. it's like uh, google on steroids if you will. uh, and it's creating a kind of world view and a world system of its own which has been programmed into it, but which what, from which programming it, it is capable of making inferences and extending out this world view. so we're replicating, some human biases and human problems, and we're replicating it in a i and then reproducing it, it massively. so this is a very significant problem for, you know, just what is real. yeah, yeah. and like, like again, i mean, pretty disturbing statement that you're telling us right here. didn't think we tell you what, what, what do you think coming? so i might say the benefits might outweigh the collins when it comes to this whole jet chat, g, p, t. but let me, let me just ask you from, from, from one human being to another human being. what is it that because i get the

sense that you are bit worried about this strategy, p t stuff that you're not perhaps entirely behind it? well, what is it about of that seemingly doesn't, doesn't sell for you. see jobs you'd be, as i believe, is already in the, in organic life fall now, right. it has started in no mind enough time. it has dr. do with the emotions of its own, the conscious of its own. so, so really not get into the argument that the diamond has emotions. if we're not one to one, go to one, right? and does not everybody, when life see the history that does allow it didn't, was by love and goes by just a i is the best duty to it will buy out use of the to the right by telling stories . so the human history that, you know, i must say that the history within the history of events that humans don't mean if it we might not know it in the wind. we know it right now. now. yeah, that's, that's really, really fascinating. michael. last words to your thoughts on what degree do i just

have to say? yes, i mean he's talking about the technological singularity of the point at which basically, machine intelligence supersedes human intelligence. and we have this intelligence explosion under which basically, we're worth, you know, we're not any longer the dominant species unless we merge with a i. so this is, uh, this has been the prospects of these single, are a terry. and for some time they want to do this, they want to merge with a high. and i think we need to look at the questions of whether we really want to merge our intelligence where they are and effectively outsource our world views, our history, our, our future to, to a, i intelligent to artificial intelligence. and there it is. the final was there from michael reckon to what would be uh, google, excuse me, the order of, of google archipelago, which is a fantastic piece of work by the way. and i research, i think the greatest thing that on a gentleman and both of you,

a very disturbing conversation, frankly, but thank you both for your time and thank you for joining us. your analogy international. we do come to you live for most go 9, 33 pm friday night. we're back to the the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle counter offensive. what counter offensive? wizard cranes. recent attack along 5 sections of the front, merely an expensive p r stunt. it would seem so washington has no interest in

seeing this conflict. and this modes badly for ukraine, n ukrainians. the cross talking public relations as war. i'm joined by my guest, alexander h on in st. petersburg. he is a senior lecture at st. petersburg state institute of technology in tulsa. we have jeremy guzman of he is a managing editor of colbert action magazine and finland macross democracy. or he's a finish political blogger, and commentator hard gentleman cross sack roles, and i think that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, alexander, i will go to you 1st here and you have a tender age or a bit younger than the rest of us here. but, you know, watching what's going on with in ukraine, particularly with the, the, the destruction of this dam. we don't know exactly what happened, but i think we can presume, considering we have other incidents of a similar kind over the last 15 months. it reminds me growing up when i was told by

the us military that we had to destroy the village to save the village. it sounds very much like the same thing going on. now, the ukraine's western partners are encouraging ukraine to destroy their own country, to i guess, save the country your thoughts alexander as well. and you mentioned age. so if you look at what people are saying on social media, like read it as, you have this very confusing situation where they say, oh, all of ukraine's 1991 borders are ukraine. those are their people. but then they're very happy that these people are now suffering their entire cities and villages being flooded by the effects of this damn being destroyed. so on the one hand, they're ukrainian, so they belong to a drain. on the other hand, they're russian enemies that deserves to be punished. so it's quite confusing. they're trying to, i don't, but i don't know how these folks don't see the fact that none of this lines up logically,

but it's all just very ideological. so none of that really needs to make any kind of sense. it's all an emotional game. and this also plays into the media strategy that the us and western partners are using, which is that all of it is logically complete nonsense. none of the things that they say make any sense, but it's all emotionally driven, so they show some pictures or make some claims. and then everyone is expected to have a certain emotional response to what they're reporting. but that's apparently working out well enough for younger generations. for resume or as millennials and apparently upwards of half of the baby boomers and generation x. so it's kind of disappointing that people aren't being more critical under thinking in analysis in western countries. yeah. well, in jeremy, i saw that wasn't that long ago. now we don't have to go back in history, looking at the drumbeat to war in iraq, you know, and as to what we will never let that happen. again, know,

we learned are less and we, you know, we'll be more skeptical. this is far, far worse than it was to the, the drum beat toward the rock far, far worse, because there's no descent allowed. jeremy. yeah, i mean the scene repeatedly, i guess people seem to feel. busy for it, every time you know the sod and syria, they believe the propaganda about that could daffy. you have even alter the media, were, you know, demonizing, these kind of leaders, whether it's could nasa saw put in. and it's a similar strategy that was used back in the cold war was, you know, for the castros when the us was carrying a terrorist activity on cuba. and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing terrorist activity a blowing out pipeline bombing irrigation is down. i mean that that was a crime for which nancy leaders were prosecuted in hong at nuremberg. this is really just great. a high level of war crime or seeing. and yeah, this is sad as he's pointing out that so many in the american public are going

along with this. and i was as even like people on the left, they'll live in tulsa, oklahoma. and what do you, guthrie say a this leslie icon? woody guthrie is center honored, pushy riot. and if i, what is the russian band that year and age on stage on pollutants? and they had all these stand with ukraine, t shirts. they were handing out the crowds of the volume and i was at the event. well, you know, the, we'll have to do a separate program and how the left has become pro war a in, in my lifetime. i remember the anti war movement that is a child during the winding up of the vietnam war. that's a topic for another day, marco, let me go up to you in finland here. one of the most interesting news, events of the last not a cycle, is that there are reports. there's nothing concrete here that a countries like poland mason, their own troops there, and they coalition of the willing, which you've heard that phrase before. we know how that all worked out here. i mean, this is an intentional escalation here. and because russia has not responded up,

the escalation, lighter doesn't mean it won't in the future, this is extremely dangerous, because from a russian point of view, poland is a nato country. so i mean, you know, and they, then we, we don't have the, they're forcing an article 5. but by doing that, they're ignoring article one of the native trees. not just star wars. go ahead marco in finland. yes, i've seen these this winter escalate is coming to the 3. what is i'm going to need to can we have already seen that introduced media. they are being rip offs coming. and pointers on this topic is saying that, ok, this was the rest of us doing on this. all right? so as far as i don't know, the scores from now even is this a declared war on tweet to, i guess between sir and so this will go through very diag direction.

yeah. well, especially the nasal company is going to have their matches amazing today. oh, something about the castle piece that said drugs. i think they are a gathering together to try to achieve or consensus or what to do next on how to go against dressing next. you know, it's very interesting, alexander, i remember a few years ago doing. i don't remember why we were doing a program on a rack. and while there was an a i c, i a apologist on defending american occupation of the rack. and i, i asked him a very simple question. i said, don't you think the american government is healthy rack enough? after all of this? i think you can ask the same question and we help the radians and up. i mean, because what we see is we know you look at the demographic decline of the country. it's dramatic and no, no country like it a in modern history is seen such

a dramatic declining demographics. we have, it's completely uh, on lifeline with the west and running its economy and whatnot, paying pensions and whatnot. and now the, you destroyed the livelihoods of tens of thousands of farmers in the, in the southern part of ukraine. i mean, i can see how this is helping ukraine, alexander as well, your train is being used as a tool, obviously. and they are fully willing to sacrifice that. i suppose, on some level that makes strategic sense. given that ukraine has been a part of russia for centuries, so in some way is just using a part of russia against russia, so they don't care what the casualties are, the damage and the loss of life is because, well, it's a good deal for them as senator lindsey graham has pointed out into other warhawks in the senate and the house. so for them is a great deal. and the other issue is apparently the push for war from some of the

leads in washington, who apparently would like to start world war 3 with russia and china, apparently simultaneously. there are apparently not losing steam here. so the push for war continues, and i think they're on a schedule here because the way economically everything is going and mel. it's early on the ground and into ukraine. they have to start the war sooner rather than later. because the longer this goes on to week or the west position is going to be . so a year ago larry thinks the ceo of black rock was going on fox news. and he was asked, well, how long? well, you know, are, is, is the west going to win the economic war against russia any immediately said, 0100 percent. we're going to be drescher economically. well, here we are a year away from that prediction. very, very confident prediction. and here, russia's standing just fine, china is better backing up russia economically,

and there's multiple countries that are starting to leave the us war of it. so things are looking very good for the west. strategically, they're running out of time and it looks worse and worse for them as we go forward . and jeremy reflects upon that because alexander is absolutely right. i think because we see the north stream, we see the destruction of this down here. i mean is there, this is the kind of escalate is cut in terrorist activity, but it's a, as on an escalation ladder here and they're preparing for the next big thing. a dirty bomb because alexandra is right. i mean, mean there's no way nato is going to win this war in a conventional sense. and i mean, you can go to up the ladder to nuclear weapons obviously. but veto, extending all the trinkets and junk said they, they, they, the west has an use in their warehouses, is being sent to ukraine. they don't know how to use it. a lot of it doesn't work. a lot of his danger is actually here. so they need a p r, so that's why i'm calling this program in a, it's a, it's a war is p r, because this is the only thing that they can keep people's attention and motivation

. jeremy. yeah, i think part of their aim is just to keep the word on. bob, russia isn't ukraine like they did in afghanistan? i think the blueprint is of gamma stand the eighty's where, you know, brzezinski came out and said the goal been to induce the russians vietnam male by support in the mood. yeah. dean, drawing them into the ask in trap at brzezinski called it, and i think that's been their strategy and ukraine, but again, and then they could rach it up the sanctions demonize russia. that's why we've seen this intense information war demon ization of proteins. and that could justify ratcheting of sanctions, and they believe that the sanction would cripple the russian economy. but they miscalculated because pollutant has responded to the sanction since their inception in 2012 through a number of methods including drawn closer to china, developing the rage and unions import substitution, investing in

a local industry technology. the so the roof had very, very low supports and some russian never even heard of them. so i ran the strategy, this terms that we work in a house down the eighty's as it did succeed and bleeding, the soviet union button brzezinski. gra bradley, either the district things over the entire, but i think things have changed if i'm yeah, no rush, i think it will be your shift. i think there's something your law right on a lot of those points here, but i'm likely asked in episode the west is suffering the consequences of its own policies here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on public relations as more say with our to the

oh, what else seemed wrong? just don't you have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the the welcome act across stock were all things are considered on peter labelle. to remind you we're discussing public relations as war. the

ok, let's go back to marco in finland, marco we've, what we've discussed so far in this program is very grim. it's very dark. it's very dangerous, but your country just joining nato. why? as i think the, the always does things in the end of the pro progress and that to the people. but this was the ultimate goal or something like that because we were new trip country. enjoy it. it's a international risk to use of being why like a sweeps around to scandinavia or something. and in our power, speed to uh, behind the scenes, always wanted to be in the western center of power

to create a way to do that. and is gratian that they will join nato finally kind a no, we are an open energy, again suppressor. so it's crazy. yeah, but it seems to me that you're seeing if you're sacrificing your security by joining the western block, which, you know, alexander and you know, you know, people talk about nato all the time is a military alliance. so i, i think it's far more a p r operation. okay, more than anything else. and you've already numerated on the a number of things here. we need the i, c, c, the legal, the law fair element that's being thrown out. we have the green deal to the black sea, which falling apart, which is when the ukrainians intentionally want to depaula park again against their own people. again in the west will pay for it in the global south certainly does. here. this is all emotions. the, this is the, it's all a diversion from um, what's actually happening on the ground,

which is really quite great for the ukrainians. okay. i mean, i've seen a number of these films where there are a forcing young men into the military. it's really, really grim and, and brutal here, but that's not seen in the west. and what's different from the episode, enough and assigned is that the west is actually feeling the impact of their own sanctions against russia and rushes. as you pointed out, i live here, you live here, there's no crisis when it comes to the economy. alexander, i think the, it's actually not that negative as it may seem. so obviously there's a lot of bad stuff happening in europe in short term. there's a lot of problems, but long term i'm feeling very optimistic actually. so you're seeing the effects of what's going on now play out. we have blinking, going over to saudi arabia for an emergency meeting, basically with the saudis, who are supposed to be american allies. and basically the next day, the saudis are making deals with the russians. so they're obviously not interested

in whatever they heard from blinking. and it's kind of catastrophic the way the us is so rapidly losing influence on the world stage. and this is a very good thing for the peoples of the western europe and the peoples of america who are under the some of this regime in washington and their vassals and brussels . so the quicker these guys lose influence the better for everybody. and i think a lot of people who watch your programs, they, you know, they, i would say impressed. they're looking to be informed, but i think they're all pretty well informed. anyway. so perhaps another reason will be entertained is everybody's got to have a hobby. but on some level, a lot of people that i talked to in the west, they were just wondering what do we do? and i'm to some extent there's not much that we can do and we're just individual people on this train wreck on some level is just going to continue barreling forward and we don't have much influence on it. so, but on the other hand,

there are elected officials who get loaded into offices and in some countries the voting system does work to one degree or another. so i would tell people who are interested in what they can do to stop writing comments on facebook and social media that no one cares about. and instead, right, impolite but professional e mails to their local elected officials and harangue them to get them to do it. they are supposed did you want to do the right thing? well, that would fit alexandra and you have, you know, as sandy cortez a o. c. you know, she came to washington on an anti war platform and she bowed for every single defense bill. okay. i'm to, i'm tired of these people here. there's no, they're not the solution there. the problem, jeremy, i want to go back to you and something that it's been, it's been discussed here. i was under, so i'll do a lot of really good things here because it seems to me that mainly the, the west really wants to push a timeline here. no ceasefire. of course, they don't, they want to keep it going. but they need, they need something, but when,

when this is all about revealing change and russia and they're not getting anywhere in that regard right now. so they may take some very bold step steps. i don't know what they are, but victoria knew and is a risk taker. go ahead, jeremy. you have to agree with that assessment. yeah, it was, it was telegraphed in a rand corporation report on balancing russia and they basically outlined their strategy and go over team change. and i think, you know, by and said at one point, you know, putting has to go and i would agree with, you know, these are wild cards. these people are, i think they may be mentally in balance and they could do anything. i mean, uh, you know, i think one of their expertise and setting a blog, flags operations where they're going to commit something brand this atrocity and blame the russians. although at this point, you know, it's hard to believe and they the q, the russian so many time the bombing themselves and sabotaging their own pipeline. and then they come out 6 months later. and now i mean,

now they're saying that the new york times at least is reporting that the cranes are behind it. is probably the c i a, a, or other western governments. and so i don't know how many times the public will believe these lies. so maybe that strategy is a bit worn, but they seem to keep doing that and they're stepping it up like, what is them? they're trying to blame russia and that, that could be a pretext or more escalation. so i think this right now, the formula of these kind of blog flags. we saw it, they didn't, syria with the chemical weapons. we know for a fact that that's it's a very unlikely of sod used chemical weapons on his own people. busy of the scientific studies show that they were coming from level territory. in some cases there were no actual chemical attacks. they were conventional attacks and the, the air looked a certain way to make it look like, oh, or the scene was staged. so they'll probably fall that syria blueprints and yeah, this could lead to world or, or nuclear war potentially as well. yeah,

exactly. it, and mark, one of the things it's, it's, it's, again terrifying. is that there is, there's no trust here. there's no reason for the russians to trust anything. coming out of brussels, london, washington, even warsaw, weeks. it seems like the polls have a disproportionate influence. now rain, this is what truly dangerous here is because, you know, we, there's, there, there was an idea about the indivisibility of, of security. we have that through the helsinki process here. these a leads to have no idea what that means, okay? and they will be no peace in europe until russia has security guarantees. everybody's talking about ukraine security guarantees, but the everyone has to have security guarantees. why have we drifted so far away from that thinking when that type of thinking kept the peace during the cold war? yeah, i think it's a, it's been a long round thing. so for example, now the search for the screw,

but it's not us nato countries who are willing to launch some sort of ministry of a ration senior grade team. it is not the rejects that demand. so cigarettes government to use for ukraine. and i think this is what some rungs for you to some of the older character said when he spoke about hold. you are a new euro and what to do the ministration thing, so that it is a policy. so you are, is being led to fall into, into bulk states, all these states willing to go against russia. and it's not necessary what western europeans want. yeah, but the market would think that that's all nice and fine. but why would the russian see there's any kind of difference? ok, whatsoever. hyphen ones, a member of nato. ok? so i mean, if the polls rule across the board or, well,

then they lead the russians will say, well, you're part of nato, they're part of new. go, i mean it's all fair game. i mean i the insanity of finland joining the alliance now and i'll help future has in story and we'll explain it. but it may be gentlemen, it won't be his story. and so will explain anything. it will be psychologist because this is all insane. marco police respond? yes, i think these, it's a, the scenario we are heading, but i hope the ones restaurant ones isn't defeats the reg and pharmacy. so i'll probably do some of that is no longer possible to keep up this rest, to be honest on some, this whole number of the team going on maybe then people will uh, let us wake up and kind of realize that they have been deceived. oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. yeah, al, alexander, i'm very, very pessimistic about that because of the media space that is so close. i mean,

this program, the sites and i work at we were, were band uh what we know on youtube. we were actually quite popular on youtube. this program was really popular on youtube. that's why i was taken out. okay. we, we, we have tucker carlson. he was taken out is last. mr. bar on twitter. echo is very much what the gentleman were saying on this program. alexander, right, well, i think that the, the leaders in the west are in an echo chamber. and what seems insane to us is actually very logical to them because they're so restricted in the information that they're getting. like what larry pink was thinking a year ago, that this would be an easy economic war against russia and a lot of people on the ground who apparently thought that somehow ukraine would be able to just feed russia militarily. these are not very logical box and you have all these white house staff who are continuing to pursue these fail strategies. so these guys are just pursuing,

pushing forward and they're not going to listen to any kind of other rational information. just like a r t has been blocked off of youtube. any kind of alternative information is blocked out as governance as well. anybody who voices, anything against the main line is going to get fired. yep. so they put themselves into their own predicament where they literally just don't know what's going on, and i don't think they're going to find their way out of that. yeah, well gentlemen, it's really interesting is that when this all come crashing down, they're gonna understand they're not gonna understand why when you, when, when the empire comes to an end, it'll be the american people that will hear about it last. unfortunately for them, that's the way things are moving. as all the time we have. i want to think, my guess in tulsa, st. petersburg and in finland. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. and remember, prospect rules the, [000:00:00;00]

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