the commerce sanchez, i've been doing news over 30 years and 2 languages around the world. and here in the united states, i've interviewed some what for president's been fired by the largest uh, news networks in the world. and then co found all of that. you know what i've learned that new should be honest, and it should be direct and impactful. and this is called direct impact. the story with you that happened to me when i was a young reporter, why? because it's one thing to file reports about demonstrations that another, that actually experience the attention. the media often seems to have forgotten about these soon after they occur. these demonstration here in the united states. but we here in the us have in fact had more than our share of outlets. that at

times resembled more zones. i know because, well, because i often found myself right in the middle of a right there, right there in the rides complete with the, you know, the boat provide stand the gas mask and you know, the whole 9 yards, for example, in golf miami after a police officer shoots and kills a teenager playing a video game. people take to the streets for 4 days and 4 nights non stop. it's one of about 6 riots actually. that took place in miami area and years. and i covered most of those. let me tell you what it was like. police cars are on fire. the night is running and every which way and oh yeah, there's gun fire and i can hear it. and i start to hope that one of those bullets doesn't end up hitting my crew or me. so why am i starting with this story today?

because the western media, right media here in the united states channels. most often they've spent a lot of time playing up stories about demonstrations, for example, demonstrations in china. and as i watch this coverage of these demonstrations that they've talked about over the last, i asked myself if any of these reporters have actually covered a real out. now put test that gets out of control. and i think of myself, apparently not during the latest cupboard protest, for example, like this citizens all over china take to the streets, violent disturbances, police battle with protesters. yeah. there were protest in china. there's no denying that. but for the most part, they seem to be confined to stone groups of very regionally specific pacific cove and policies. sometimes even some of the just affected one particular building. in

some cases, there were thousands of people, but in a country approaching what one of the half 1000000000 people is that really so much? is it, it's not. are they angry? sure, they're angry. wouldn't you be after being locked down because of cobit, i know i was. but here's where the rubber really meets the road with this story when it comes to the difference in the coverage of this story. i try to offer you here just as i'm sitting here right now, just as i'm sitting here and talking to you. i can tell you that after co covering, we are wars by the way and re china. i mean, i gotta tell you, at least from my point of view they, they're barely riots. they're protest. sure. but there's a difference. mean that hardly even disturbances. but that's not how they're described by the b, b. c, for example,

or other suggestion is that the country of china is on the brink of revolution. because of these protests, let's talk my favorite word, context, context. i have seen with these now somewhat faded eyes, but real protested real disturbances. i mean, i've seen hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets in protests over racial abuse, not once, but many times. and rarely did the meaning of coverage as if it was a referendum on the government and the president at the time. and he has to step down, sir, so much so that we need to change the system. they would argue where they're doing china. but not here. i've also seen this. i actually have seen millions of americans take to the street, you know, the rock right here in washington dc where i'm reporting team from right now. millions of people take to the streets because they're angry about the warranty rock. millions of people. think of the strange because of bankers who greedily

destroyed our economy and what, 2008, and not one of them went to jail. and you know how the media covered, those particular protests, the ones where people got mad about the wars are the ones where and the bankers, they barely covered. they barely covered. it may not be a huge protest then maybe they got a 32nd video on cnn or m s m, b, c, or something of the sort. 30 seconds. think about it in an hour. if a 100 people gather in protest in china or in russia or any other country that the state department has decided to target our media seeming as if they're working for the state department. as if upon their orders covers it. as if it were a revolution in the works, it is a lucky thing though story should not be covered in china or the protest or in any other country. for that matter. they shouldn't be covered, it's news, but it should also be put in context. and that's what seems to be best and,

and that's what i would like to add. and to do that, i got just the right guy. i want to do sure to marco fernandez, researcher at the tri continental institute for social research, joining us now. i understand you lived in china, right. you were there during the cold bed locked out and all that. yes, i live in china in the last 3 years actually the whole, specifically these days. i'm not, but i'm coming back soon. hopefully we dial crazy, but you're the perfect person to ask this question too, because you lived there, right. what was it like during the lot downs during the pandemic? yeah, well basically the 1st 2 years was basically a very normal life. we didn't have coven in china. i mean, after the controller for them exceed one. uh, we had a pretty normal lights for 2 years. uh, this whole time before moving to

b. g. and actually was at fort for, for me talking to for us and my friends and family in brazil sometimes was a, i was even feeling a little bit guilty because, i mean, it was a tragedy. 700000 people die in my country and be friends and family. and we're just there in china leaving a normal life. and just i don't know, like rudy for people to the conditions to improve this less months in china and especially those up down in shanghai that was those wild actually was 71 days. but actually it was pretty necessary at that moment. what was the, the people in china like during that period as well? i mean, specifically show, hi, it was, it was a, some details like 1st of all the 1st of all, nobody likes to be locked down. nobody likes to be at home for so long. it's, it's really sometimes can be kind of annoying and some heads up some dollars all

the time. so was a tough experience for everybody. but at that point, um, it was a general also uh assessment from, from the government, from the health authorities. that at that point on, the kron of ryans was still a correct to, uh, to the, the, the house of the people. so, and, and also show hi, actually mate made a mistake, a few, a few weeks before shanghai. there was also now break in sions, and, and the cell. and when they had like maybe a 10200 cases a day, they just shut it down. the whole city they, they, they started locked out. it lasted for one week, they control and life got back to the moment. did they stay in your house? you got it, you can't leave that. did they take care people? did they? did they? i'm curious as to how they handle this locked down situation. did they provide food for people in their buildings? yeah, i mean, they show high the experience we had at the beginning was

a look for either for ordering, like privately, but also the government also started to um, to provide food for, for millions of people. so of course they took a few weeks to like sort of adapt, but that was, that's everything was was sort of normal. but yes, i mean, most of the people also in shanghai leave in big cities believe in big compounds. the like many viewed things. so also they have control of that. and also one very important thing in that moment when you need to mobilize the whole society. this is a very important to, to acknowledge the role of the party. because i mean, the body has 97, need a member supporting it, the societies. so every time you have something, some, some challenge that needs to mobilize the whole society. you're going to have the, the members of the party in each community, each compound, each village, to make sure that the match that what was happened in char hi. let's do

a little comparison thing. how do you compare the effect or the dealing with cobit in china? as opposed to how it was dealt with in the rest of the world. i mean, obviously look at everybody experience colbin, right? nobody liked it, but, but it was dealt with differently and a lot of different countries. well, i think the most important thing to start any conversation about cove it in, in china compared to other places in the world is that in china we had in 3 years compared to the united states where there were a 1000000 debts. i mean, and united states has a 100000 members in my country. i mean, i mean, i don't know how many, hundreds of, of, of thousands in europe, it's cetera. so, so that's the 1st thing. i mean, that was you can even say, okay, maybe the government made a few moment in that moment. yes. of course they made mistakes, lots of mistakes. but this mistakes didn't cost a lot in the, in the,

in the moment that this, this one of the highest moments of cold in china, which was a lot down show high, i mean, show high cub financial hub trade hub. of course, the wall. so it was a, a heat in the economy and all the 1000 and actually china in the last months, of course they, they are, it's, it's a challenge for the economy. but one thing that, for china, it's, this is very simple. i mean, they put people's 1st, yeah, the economy suffers a lot and especially this last year. but what is the price you have to pay $1.00, meet them that. so we can keep the, the rights of a people to move individually and, and own the kind of. and by the way, if you go to the comic figures, come on china did better in terms of did you before us, and then us or europe in the last 3 years. all right, bar code, do me

a favor. stay right there, cuz i want to come back to you because there's lots of lot, lots to talk about here. but i want to tell you that i have a pod cast where i as a journalist, as a latino, as the co founder of a 1000000000 dollar company, share my stories of how i've lost and how i've won from well interest broadcast. i invite you to check it out, but when we come back that side on that bridge, where it asked for president she to step down is something you need to know about. something you don't know the the, [000:00:00;00]

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the, the about it made headlines worldwide. it's a, it's a banner that is hung on a bridge which criticizes the government with some really strong staunch words and it a not to occur on a virus test reform, not the cultural. busy pollution, we want freedom, it reads not locked outs. the elections, not rulers. we want to pick that he not lies sleeved people. that's what it says and then on the 2nd banner, which is what has a really set the media's hair on fire. it says remove dictator and national trader, president, she, you know, there is something about that banner that i just told you about that you need to know about and, and it's going to come out in the conversation with uh,

marco fernandez, research or a try continental institute for social research, we're gonna get to that in just a minute. but let's start with this in your guy in china and you were there. so you know, and you're frustrated. you can't, don't have access to food or you and you your board, you got to stay home. you can't send your kids to school. um, you know how to work. i mean, you like your job, but everything is shut down. it's frustrating. at what point did that person in china really feel the need to go out and, and, and, and protest show their anger. so yeah, that's a very good point because actually what happened is that there is a, a sort of like, um, not so accurate, narrative from western media regarding the process. remember that the process happened actually few days after the government launched the 1st 20 new measures regarding corporate, which was the beginning of the opening up the beginning of the,

the flex immunization of destruction, of the discrepancy of their restrictions. what happened in those days, right? after is that there was of course, china is a 1400000000 people, a country. i mean, every time you have a new measure come from the central glove. i mean, you don't apply these to each in the next day. this takes weeks, sometimes a couple months to be implemented. so what happened is that those days particularly was that of course people was already fired, frustrated after so many restrictions and then so many insecurities because i mean that happened with many people. i mean one day you're in your home and the other day you can leave. so of course everybody was by it. but to loss of the government say ok, no more. look down. if you have, i don't know like 5 cases in the beauty. but the local storage is what's due doing what they've been doing for the last 22 years. so of course people like getting

angry because they okay, but the government just mounts the new measures. it's here, but the local courts like okay, we don't know, we're still waiting for the new measure meant that so what you're saying is that the bureaucracy is what created the backlog and frustration which then led to the protest. i to exactly and, and also this is very common and times local authorities, they would be even more strict a dan, sorry, it's just like a central government rule because they don't want to be blamed. this was a huge burden for all the local authorities in the last 3 years. is that okay, am i going to be the, the beauty for? i don't know the new upgrade coming from she on because i didn't, i didn't do what i should have this happen to show. hi. actually, people were very angry about the, the, the why you didn't should, i should love the created love down in the beginning. people are angry because of

that. so this is a constant battle between local and central authorities in china. let me ask you this how, how would you characterize the protests? i mean, it's almost ironic, right? but here in the us, we have protests with thousands of people are killed, where buildings are burn, we have riots, we have disturbances in the streets. but now the western media, our media here in the united states, is pointing to china's protests and saying those protests, those protests are out of control. well, i mean, the demonstrations was actually pretty small in terms of number of the most methods. one was in show high on the weekend 2 days after the new measures, maybe like 2000 people were there maybe a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds. but of course everything happening in china. that's up every police

man which i don't think was the gays was not put this way. of course it does 50 people or even like one vendor over the reach. as we saw before, the national congress of c p. c. it becomes like headline everywhere in the west side or it was because it was so small, of course that was practice does their process. and in china all the time, i mean their workers doing strikes all the time. there are people going to so for me to, to like complain about the government. of course, people won't complain about a but between, i mean in between come play and like once she dial with she or doubts, if you see, come on, come on in. she'd never had so much support in this 10 years. the perspective that we have here because it's been put in our heads by the media, is that the government controls everybody in china to the point where anything they do,

they're going to get in trouble for. and the fact that these people were protesting is why the media saying we should all be shocked. is that fair? it's not, i mean, this is also exaggeration because, i mean, there's a big the public debate in china, but many issues. so protests are common or the common they're of industry. it's not so much, not so much. this is true. i mean process are common specially regarding labor issues or environmental issues. sometimes the community can do a process because i don't know, there is a factory that is polluting the river. that was but hundreds of thousands of process in the last 30 years in china because of, of this, of i don't work is going to strike because of salary of better conditions of work. so process that all the time. but one thing that was very interesting, this is,

i mean, i confess i had no idea before coming to, to even china is the how much, how much the government listen to people. even in social media is very common for us. and in china, the government announces a new, a new law. i don't know regarding marriage or regarding labor issues. and they 1st thing to a consultation for the sites. they have many different channels to do consultations in the whole society. but even social media, sometimes people react. avery in, in, in social media about some, some issue. and he's very come with that. the government actually steps back and say, okay, we're going to really discuss this and come with a new solution in a couple months. so i mean this, this narrative that china, everything is control is a one big feature, like deciding of, uh, over the life of 1400000000 people. this is, i mean, nice to talk to any chinese person who was like, oh my god. but how can you, how do you guys think that this would happen?

we would work. i mean, you don't keep power 73 years as a company's body of china. if you're not listening to the people, if you don't to give her what the people needs. in fact, i'll take it a step further. generally speaking in the media here, you know, whether you read the near times to watch the poster, cnn, or whatever. the feeling is that anybody who stands up and speaks out gets g criticizes president g, the president of don't make a disappear that got that person will probably never be heard from again. true, true or not true. so i don't think so. i mean, this is the example i'm giving to you. of course. i mean, it doesn't need to be like a grievance in against she even because she's so popular to be honest, is way easier that for you, since you criticized. i don't know the mayor of the or cd of the government of your province because to be honest, i mean,

i don't think she was ever so popular among amongst, especially among the people, the working class, the peasants, etc. so i think this is, i mean of course in china doesn't have the same way of, i mean they, they, they also say, i mean we, they, they say we have also democracy is a different kind of democracy. it's not like you're going to vote for president every 4 years or in the meat of the election. you just change the house of representatives and just make the government a mass because the president doesn't agree with the congress, etc. but, but china has their own way and i don't, i mean, if people were to be angry, you don't control control that much. people were just with refreshing. this is, this is a fence, a z of, of, of western media of, of, of russian societies. that's amazing. think about that. thanks marco, for the interview and for your time. you know,

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