that i'm message, this is the, the thought i want to show you that image. now, that made headlines worldwide. it's a, it's a banner that is hung on a bridge, which criticizes the government with some really strong staunch words in china. here's what it says. we want a, a not to occur on a virus test reform,

not the cultural. busy pollution, we want freedom, it reads not locked outs. the elections, not rulers, we one thing that he not lies to be citizens, not enslaved people. that's what it says. and then on the 2nd banner, which is what has a really set the media's hair on fire. it says remove dictator and national trader, president, she, you know, there's something about that banner that i just told you about that you need to know about. and, and it's going to come out in the conversation with uh, marco fernandez, research or attract continental institute for social research. we're going to get to that in just a minute. but let's start with this in your guy in china and you were there. so, you know, and you're frustrated. look, you're frustrated because you've got, you can't, don't have access to food or you and your board, you got to stay home. you can't send your kids to school. um, you know, you're, you're, you're a worker who just wants to go to work. i mean, you like your job, but everything is shut down. it's frustrating,

at what point did that person in china, willy steel, the need to go out and, and, and, and protest shoulder anger. so yeah, that's a very good point because actually what happened is that there is a, a sort of like, um, not so accurate, narrative from western media regarding the process. remember that the process happened actually few days after the government launched the 1st 20 new measures regarding corporate, which was the beginning of the opening up the beginning of the, the secularization of distribution of the discrepancy of their restrictions. what happened in those days right after is that there was of course, china is a 1400000000 people, the country. i mean every time you have a new measure come from the central glove. i mean, you don't apply these to each village each quarter of the society in the next day.

this takes weeks, sometimes a couple months to be implemented. so what happened is that those days particularly was that of course people was already fired, frustrated after so many restrictions and then so many insecurities because i mean that happened with many people. i mean one day you're in your home and the other day you can leave. so of course everybody was by it. but what happened is that there was a new loss of the government say, okay, no more locked down. so if you have, i don't know like 5 cases in the beauty, but the local storage is what it's do doing what they've been doing for the last 22 years. so of course people like getting angry because site. okay, but the government just mounts the new measures. it's here, but the local parts like okay, we don't know, we're still waiting for the new mega huffmans. i meant that. so what you're saying is that for the bureaucracy is what created the backlog and

frustration, which then led to the protest. i to exactly and also this is very common. this happens a lot also of course, sometimes local storage is they would be even more strict. then for instance, like a central government rule because they don't want to be blamed. this was a huge burden for all the local authorities and the last 3 years. is that okay, am i going to be the, the duty for, i don't know, the new upgrade coming from she on because i didn't, i didn't do what i should have this happen to show hi. actually, people are very angry about the, the, the why you didn't should, i should love the created love down in the beginning. people are angry because of that. so this is a constant battle between local and central authorities in china. let me ask you this how, how would you characterize the protests? i mean, it's almost ironic, right? but here in the us, we have protests with thousands of people are killed where buildings are burn. we

have riots, we have disturbances in the streets, but now the western media, our media here in the united states, is pointing to china is protests and saying those protests, those protests are out of control. well, i mean, the demonstrations was actually pretty small in terms of number um, the most massive one was in show high on the weekend 2 days after the new measures . maybe like 2000 people were there. you had like a few other cities with maybe a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds. but of course everything happened in china that apparently something that is against the government, which i don't think was the case was not against the government. but i mean, let's put this way, of course, if there's 50 people or even like one vendor over the reach, as we saw before, the national congress of c p. c. it becomes like headline everywhere in the western

media. i mean, you're saying it was exaggerated. it was because it was so small, of course that was practice does their process. and in china all the time, i mean their workers doing strikes all the time. there are people going to so for me to, to like complain about the government. of course, people will complain about a but between, i mean in between come play and like once she down with she or down and sleepy, see, come on, come on in. she'd never had so much support in this 10 years. the perspective that we have here because it's been put in our heads by the media, is that the government controls everybody in china to the point where anything they do, they're going to get in trouble for. and the fact that these people were protesting is why the media saying we should all be shocked. is that fair?

it's not, i mean, this is also exaggeration because, i mean, there's a big the public debate in china, but many issues. so protests are common or the other common there of industry. it's not so much, not so much. this is true. i mean process are common specially regarding labor issues or environmental issue. sometimes the community can do a process because i don't know, there is a factory that is polluting the river. that was like hundreds of thousands of process in the last 30 years in china because of, of this, of i don't work is going to strike because of salary of better conditions of work. so process the all the time. but one thing that was very interesting, this is, i mean, i confess i had no idea before coming to, to even china. is that how much, how much the government listen to people, even in social media,

is very common for us. and in china, the government announces a new, a new law. i don't know regarding marriage or regarding labor issues. and the 1st thing to a consultation for this, the sites, they have many different channels to do consultations in the whole society. but even social media, sometimes people react angry in, in, in social media about some, some issue. and it's very common that the government actually, uh, stepped back and say, okay, we're going to read, discuss this, and come with a new solution in a couple months. so i mean this, this narrative that china, everything is to control is a one big state, or like deciding of, uh over the life of 1400000000 people. this, i mean these to talk to any chinese person who was like, oh my god, but how can you, how do you guys think that this would happen? we would work. i mean, you don't keep power 73 years as a communist party of china. if you're not, listen to the people,

if you don't to you for what the people needs. in fact, i'll take it a step further. generally speaking in the media here, you know, whether you read the new york times and watch the post or cnn, or whatever. the feeling is that anybody who stands up and speaks out gets g criticizes president g, the president of don't make a disappear that got that person will probably never be heard from again. true. sure. not true. oh, i don't think so. i mean, this is the example i'm giving to you. of course. i mean, it doesn't need to be like a grievance in against she even because she's so popular to be honest, is way easier. that for instance, you criticized. i don't know what the mayor of the or cd or the government of your province because to be honest, i mean, i don't think she was ever so popular among amongst, especially among the people, the working class, the peasants, etc. so i think this is, i mean of course in china doesn't have the same way of, i mean they, they,

they also say, i mean we, they, they say we have also a democracy is a different kind of democracy. it's not like you're going to vote for president every 4 years or in the meat of the election. you just change the house of representatives and just make the government a mess because the president doesn't agree with the congress, etc. but, but china has their own way and i don't, i mean, if people were to be angry, you don't control the control that much people with just with refreshing. this is, this is a fence, a z of, of, of western media of, of, of russian societies. that's amazing. think about that. thanks marco, for the interview and for your time. you know, i want to share my mission now. the mission of the show and simple, really. i want to the silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little box

truths. don't live in boxes to show me where i'm actually interest. and i'll be looking for you again, right here, where i hope to provide directed the of the case of china. it's the, the unit for the elevator tie. one's international status. you see, you know, see lucy's visit, which already credit crisis. you see i've anthony clinton, i'm short china wilson thoughts a military operation. there was, i haven't even have those. i don't have even down to about the

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involvement in this type of task. spend allstream pipeline fighting the p i a european media continue to search for the culprits anywhere but across the atlantic fit the so i just start crossing midnight here at most. go and walk and go away. now into the wee hours of sunday, lots to update. you on, on this program, what else you so romania has recalled. it's on the basset from kenya, off of the diplomatic, made a racist joke with a un meeting of a capital nairobi. and a black monkey appeared outside the window. the romanian envoy mockingly said the quote, the african group has joined us, and the romanian government has issued an apology saying it regrets the situation open out to local report, a couple of popular who says that different last comments show the antiquated to attitudes towards africa. still remain it will be

the 21st century, but then, you know, we are still, we officials are still not seen as individuals as people and s equals the only when the issue is of course is, are they obviously these common, especially coming from a european diplomats the really disappointing of the. busy but simple as if someone would call it out as opposed to actually and supposed to combine the language which they use. and i suppose to be very careful around how to use as language. but methods ego has made in these commons which are not necessarily human themselves that were made on the 26th of april in the u. n. building in my room, that was the friction department in attendance, but some of the attendees where they found it very important to report on the home that were made by mister

t dot saying that they found them insensitive and very nice. now mr. geology yes and been already uh, been uh, in the process of uh, catch creation back. julie is homeland in romania, totally not only and yet, and for, and it is pretty statements in which they apologized to anyone who is affected is saying that they do not come to any such behavior, particularly statements of the race. the nature of the g health is owned by long period, which is why i was pointing to buying the bunch were made by the photos of the comments that were made by angels. the brass who said that 0 is a god, while the rest of the world, it is a jungle. and the call is for you. photos. lot of this you all come in, but it's been made by the width in the european union. it was really

a disappointment. and it is really leads to all of disrespect. so as such yourself and midnight here are the most going out entering a day. number 7, all few cranes, contra offensive. the russian ministry, a saying now that the ministry of defense, i should say, that reporting that hundreds of ukrainian soldiers have been killed and several german left a tank is destroyed among a whole bunch of other military hardware. have a good look for yourself. what was the peak renting for.