can only take, they are recommendations to the summit and of cause one would expect that there would be into action even between the summit, between the precedents. but as far as this decision to switch the saw me to a 2nd country, we have not to weigh off. but also i can also share with you with that they have even speculations that we picked up, that it might even be switch to another side. the country was i may but but to have the meanest, as i say in the position still remains as far as i've definitely guys concerned, but some it would be held in john has. but that also is, it was talked about that the legislation might be implemented. and so the forget the south african law above. and that's all of the international criminal court as

well. so that would be interesting to on the wrong vacations for south africa, and not regard it as it has been a knowns. the minister of foreign affairs doctor, knowledge upon the minister of international relations has already instituted a mccann is a web i. there would be diplomatic immunity for or how to use individuals and organizations that will be attending v blake summit. now again, remember, this is again part of the framework of the i c c itself. so, so the guy's not doing anything, i'm known. so i would of the framework of the icbc and it is that engagement the laptop part that's so that's what got talked about that we

really engage with the pod to use and really engage with the process is really upsetting to the processes within the framework of the of the i c c, perhaps related to the, to present sort of around the post said south africa would be quote, at not drawn into a contest between global powers. could you perhaps expand on, on which international forces are trying to perhaps pressure your country into, into confrontation? why would that be? look at 5. the would confrontation, we are not that way. so that's the gulf in the country that is pushing us to a confrontation, confrontation for what the goodness on the bible. so don't think the question of south africa because none aligned or vision on the conflict that these existing. now that i just thought it kind of reasons,

they started conflicts long before this conflict started to take the non into the non aligned position of so i'll see that emanates from the time when. so i think i became a member of the non aligned moment. if you would remember, i do during the conflict between the west and the then if so the guy has always taken a non aligned position. it's, it's a continuation of the position of south africa. and by the way, so tough because foreign policy is and cut on non alignment, especially with the military conflict all over the world. there has been no time list, so i'll say guy has taken sides in any conflict. just expanding on that recently various on the list, how to express the opinion that south africa is neutrality with regard to the

cleaning, conflicts has been compromised by perhaps strengthening of ties between moscow in south africa. some argue that a, that a situation could squared away foreign investors just looking at some of the figures here, south africa, could lose $30000000000.00 some of us to, for the export revenue. how does your confuse neutrality being compromised? it says the guys consents out of because non aligned position. i do not see the how we can be compromised. because the relationship between south africa and any of the country in the world has always been. so it's not something new. and we have had trade the relations with every body in the world. and i know a snip, no stage. have we ever compromise the position of our trade with any ad the country?

now the other point about this trade is a 2 way road by it's very nature, it's not like here. we talking about those enough funding that. so definitely guys get to know is treat any country that invest in south africa. it is a bilateral issue because between that country and south africa and so has played been going on between south after the game, any other country in the world. so i what said we've actually had that we had developing should not to year the as far as i'm concerned today is split and it has a reality. we've seen just to change that topic a little bit. here. we've seen a number of countries step off to offer at peace resolution initiatives in the last

number of months to the ukranian conflict. and now it's quite an exciting type because african nations have come together on our being. so i'd have for can lead at, for their proposal, which will be brought in the next couple of weeks next week. maybe as well. what's your thoughts enough? because other piece proposals have either been rejected out of hand by one side or the other. what come? so it's not for kept bringing to this that perhaps others haven't. okay, look for 1st and foremost, let me made you did a point to got to the authentic up piece initiative for the diplomatic resolution of the conflict. it's different in the sense that we have seen for the 1st time a group of nations 6, know i've tried to, it's 7 know,

7, all 3 can states have come together to id. they up part even attempt to resolve the conflict. that's number one. number 2, as my president was saying, the other day, the division of the 7 lead does not come in with any propose that we are not come in. we offer the guy's not coming with any of the road map africa, as my president, who's a spokesperson of the group, have a teach related in the past 2 days that we are coming. as of pretty got to least we went to understand what type of issues that led to this conflict, you know, so they,

i know propose us as for as far as i'm concerned. but let's start with i can afford to here. save that to the meeting is actually going to take place in saint petersburg. oh, the 1st part of the meeting is going to take place on the 16th in keels with president zelinski. yes, it's actually to be specific on the 16th. and then on the 17th, the delegation den of the 7 herds of state will then be meeting with president putting those are the advertisements now for, for, but it is to come and listen. what type of issues and it would be expected of cause i'm, i think the precedents would also be sitting guidance as to how can africa assist in this process. so that's a great but did you learn since last year?

so i'll think i has always maintain the position that in order to attempt to resolve this conflict, south africa, we joined a group of countries that are eager to assist in resolving this, this conflict. they want to see peace. the bottom line of this effort is peace. because number one, the conflict in the between the russia and ukraine is m impacting on africa. yeah, hunger. not, not the mean just hung down. here you see of us. so i mean africa have go down the road, a road map for its development. we've got to plan, which is the agenda 2063, the arthritic. how we want?

by twin do $63.00. where do we want to see us pretty got to be 50 percent 50 to 60 percent of the words mean that already sauced, if they come from africa, the continental then don't with the, with the, with the resources and for us in order for us to got to progress would development is need that and this is what agenda 2063 maps out. 10 years to also on the agenda 2063 is the the african free continental fade area. that is of that now which 6 to in color, kate, in truck african page you know, so as to stimulate development. now those are the 2 key focus

areas. but seriously the challenge is i'm probably it was. then we are afraid that that agenda 2063 might be late as a result of that. because remember, as i said earlier, we are looking at the trade with everybody. that is why we had a meeting last december the, the u. s. africa leadership summit. very successful, we are going to have the last year of consignment in st. petersburg now and i can better unit the the, the key thing that i'll for the car is gonna be putting as top of the agenda is

going to be the support for agenda 20. 63. the support for after up is what i'll think i, because it's our developmental road map cannot you just touch upon another aspect of that. you mentioned the african concept of free trade area. there's increasing pun african payments going on, is up because you need a focus on, on african integration is about the key as you say, that roadmap for 2063. how to deepen ties on the confidence so that i'd side and someone say interference. others would say trade, depending on how you look at it, that it has to be african 1st african that, that, that is specifically for us to drive the trait. the interest of the cut trade off time is developing. the author can payment system,

how successful has not been. look, it's steve, it's intensive instances page. it's still active in census page. it has not been fully implemented. it's a process. and something else with potentially huge relevant cations. the brazilian president is pushing for the creation of a common currency for bricks. countries is a, that's or a, is it a realistic proposal? is it something south africa would like to see on what could be the main stumbling blocks to, to that's coming in to be a number one in the meeting, or for the next 40 minutes. those that took place in taped down last week, attended by lead. like all the breaks 40 minutes does the shep pause in the sous shep has who are assisting the ministers in terms of the

big program? some of the guy is the chair of bricks this year. we are aware that this issue was one of the agenda points that we've discussed in the midst of discussion. it's not the ink driven by one, but due to la country, it's something that brooks has said, let us look at to this as a possibility. and so i've got accept that now that would have been no conclusion on that particular one. because again, as i said earlier, the pro says is from this strep of, i mean the shape of the sleuth shape of, of the 5 brakes countries having to take them to the menu. spousal 40 no says, now of cause of from the mean is does a 40 and

a 5th. if you to go to saw me to know where a decision it would be taken or not to be taken in relation or it might say, there are certain things that stephen needs to be looked into into relation to just because i have personality. i do not believe it's going to be a once of the light switching on an electric switch to say it has got to happen. now, it's really have to be a process stages. it will definitely have to do that. the stage is because a national legislation's, not chanel or pro 50 is, will stay and have to play it spot in resolving the issues. but it's a fascinating topic, isn't it? because we're increasing seeing countries attempt to trade in their own currencies by law, for trade, a way from perhaps the us dollar that the trend of the dollar eyes ation has

seemingly being well it started you, you had china, you had the site. so do you read you the other nations attempting to do that? cut out the middleman, is that something south africa wants to see? it's a process. it's a process one south africa in principle to take supposition that we really have to engage with this process. then south africa will have to go into its own domestic policy has its own domestic laws and.