ups of the soviet union, we had roughly 8000 boarded disputes. what has allowed these bilateral relationship not to be hampered by all these disagreements and ultimately get them to fuse? well, i think the pregnancy is, is the key here. um, i think both china and russia off the, in the cold war headstone, one important creek not is totally ignored spot outside world west or that is that made almost 20 years as was, was through secret diplomacy of separately there large number of all the disputes are used to say, we have 7700 about a dispute stuff is a ball. the dispute is, could be triggered for any kind of conflict between 2 countries who share such a long coming frontier. i believe mr. coating actually corrected my data or the one point i was attending while they loved in the city, he said was

a 1000. so i believe because they thought that niece was a patient. diplomacy. we are dealing with real issues that affecting peace cause nobody to give us a piece, the price of cost, and no bill noble piece faster than what never gives us. i can't resist sharing that with our audience because i learned it from, from the lecture that the china is language used to have a special term for the russians, which literally translated as the old harry ma'am, and me to afford it. we man worse than barbarians to the european barbarians of the christian barbarians. i suppose. i wonder if you have coined any new term for us, the russians now it i don't have a new new orders. i think. well, you, you cause a uh, some a brotherhood. i would say uh some, uh, yes, its not as i say, relationship improved based on the sincerity of both sides to resolve real issues.

and, but you also, you don't have to pay attention to the original organizations, china and the russia initiative, which is shanghai corporation organization. this is the only regional organization china, actually in the shape and a to participate, you know, in order for that to proceed. uh, the 2 sides had to believe in some sort of ecumenical a piece rather than the conditional democratic piece. i mean, maybe they know it's have side if your concept, but there, there should have been some idea that we are on the equal basis here and peace in is in our mutual interest. based on that, do you think it's fair to put the russia in the western county? because i think that all the russian history on, throughout many wars we have thought was, we have always saw um, you know, fair piece with our adversaries rather than uh, you know, making advantage of them. but the russian has one historic problem. they have

not been able to deal with, that's my view. the so called the you're asian complex. whenever they have a chance, they prefer to integrate with wisdom part of the self, the russian world cup, but so often used to say common your open house. it's a wonderful idea, but they all from the encounter rejections on the west and partner for one reason or another at that time, russian seemed to be moving towards the east. this is a typical russian behavior, not. my personal view is russian still have that's complex with them. i'm now asian sites become far more important for them. they are, they seem to be able to overcome the complex. they begin to realize the rushing china relationships plus central asian countries together. a quote created a common community, don wilmont, a peaceful euro, asian hostile,

as well as your point to asian part. we don't know about the euro part, but the professor shrank. we have to take a very short a break right now, but we will be back to these fascinating discussion in just a few moments station. the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the multitude back 2 worlds of ports with lunging chang distinguished fellow at the students and center in washington dc. professor showing before the break a, we were discussing the so called the russian, your region complex, which i think would be more accurately termed as russian into your or to complex before the repeating. because they always saw that everything, you know, most inspiring and enlightening is a, somewhere in the west. but i think this shift that you mentioned is happening not only because of rushes, newly discovered interest in the east, but also because of the russian realization that we ourselves may be a civilization in our own right. and that we don't need to. we can corporate with

all nations on an equal basis, but we don't have to change ourselves to be lives or approved. i wonder and i, i would ask for an honest answer from you. do you believe that russia rises up to a level of civilization? it's hard to say, i'm sorry to say that because the russians baseball is scott, for a barrier between a tea button across from the very beginning. you will have an empire. you never have a russia meet in the strict sense as a nation state. so you are used to an empire, but you don't know how to run the state basically. so this is, i think you only have a state of russian state in the very short periods of time, which is very different from china. the china has a state essentially states since 221 b. c. there was

a note dispute about the time likes. so russia probably still need to learn quite a long time how to make a russian state for a single single civilization. um, i do not see its full now, but the, i think the russians were striving for it. i think this 14 has a great addition. try to make it a russian civilization of i have delta to believe. is it going to happen very so? now professor shines regardless whether russia is a state or civilization. it wants to leave its own national destiny. it wants to develop to, according to its own, the vision, according to its own necessities, rather than serving somebody else as bidding. and the many, most people believe that this is the crux of the tensions or with the west and the current conflict in the ukraine. i wonder how do you see what's happening in your credit? is it a regional conflict, or is it part of the largest trundle, including

a struggle for, for the meaning of peace? well, 1st of all, it's a real tragedy business any further than the sign. it's a brother killing brother, no matter what. it's a sad story. this. uh yes, but it's also on, as i explained before, i believe it's the western blocks. it could, it can nervous about recent history or refused to accept recent history. that is primarily uh uh, responsible for leading to that's a sad situation. having said that, i'm not to come do anybody who invade anybody surgery? i mean, as a, as a scholar. i don't, i don't accept that. no matter what i'm thinking about that many a russian experts believe that the russian military intervention in the ukraine came out only when the kremlin calculated that the military confrontation with the

west was inevitable. all regardless of what we do, we cannot compel the west uh to retract uh, by goodwill. i one day of that conclusion about the never to bill it's he, off of a class with the west has already been reached with beijing because your red lines are also being actively pushed right now. well, yes, there is no question about dogs in china. of course, a tie, one is the issue here. chinese actually says it's the core of the core interest to china and the even more about that one issue now you, you, you obviously right dates, it looks like united states in particular seem to be pursuing the same pattern of behavior, ignoring the core of to call interests of trying to ignore, non or purposefully destroying more neglecting it. what the united states would

want to do is they want to pursue a policy called one china, one tie, one policy, united states claim. they never abandon one china policy, they're not pursuing to trying to policy, but they true something in between. that is a puppy to a sheet of one china, which is a legal one. but there is other one which is not really legal by international says . but if perpetually that taiwan independence, so it is a defect to pay $1.00 independence policy for china. this has already crossed the red line you have written before that we are now living in the pre world war one situation and obviously nobody before. 1914 knew what couldn't become a fait accompli, but i still want to ask you what could possibly constitute the red line for china, the crossing of which may become the point of no return. well,

in the case of china, it's the, the us as well. the alibi to tie one's international status. so you see you have nancy pollutes east visit, which already credit crisis. if you have anthony blinking, i'm sure china will start. it's a military operation. there is i haven't even have notes. i don't have even doubts about that. it depends on the level americans try to elevate, to tie, wants international status, that will be the red line. saudis cannot. so by getting a colorist, besides this size, this is not your tree. probably one legally is part of the china that the, there isn't all the, even the dispute about that in some nash and international commands. but the, i'm in the really, the, in the, in the day and age when legality or international law is not a, uh, estimated as the highest value. just uh, as uh, for example piece is no taking

a as the highest value. so i wonder, uh, what kind of a responsive calling measure do you think uh, china will be in uh, in the case of, uh, a 4 more open provocation from the united states. because nobody wants the war. right? nobody wants to an open conflict, but the american strategy seems to be cutting the dogs to the tail piece by piece. you know, this slow encroachments, so when enough will be enough for china. i think if i send the bill for a large number of military personnel to tie one either for training purposes for other purposes, or begin to supply a large number of valves offensive weapons. so the same thing that happens in ukraine, you mean the same thing happened in your credit with a triggered the interaction? well, it's the same thing. i think it's unfortunate disputing was taken in by means to me

. we now know, i mean, on glove merkel and all long they all saves, you know, missed the 2 is it's just fine time before re army ukraine. so chinese learned the lesson that we will not, we will not accept another me. so now to speak, speaking about the turn is position in the ukranian conflict, then i know you claim on neutrality, but uh, in observing what's happening there. i wonder if china, at this point would be more interested in the defeat, not so much ukraine, but the western actions in ukraine. um, do you think that would lead to some humbling on the part of the west or do you think on the contrary, the defeat in ukraine may from the west to look for, you know, some compensation elsewhere and for opening event of another war theater. most of the i don't see these to a directory lease. i don't think so. i'm

a chinese what chinese really wanted is to somehow work out a steve fire. i don't believe attorneys have any capability to work out a peace treaty that that's not in the cards. but if they can work together, maybe with some back home or some other lead has to have a cease fire salt kidney basic that will be extremely important for china. but do you think the russians would, that would agree to that without accomplishing their strategic goals? because as you mentioned, the misc uh piece, there was essentially a ruse for allowing ukraine to rearm. is it in russia's interest to, you know, allow for another cease far and the wait for a war a couple of years down the line. what? so my phone, the new building already got new territories, maybe the territory to develop, you know, the professor is, wasn't developmental search results from it. they, as he said,

it was about natal encroachment constant encroachment. and the trouble is they don't have, that's read well but, but if you already got the 4 territories, which means at least you'll have a buffer. so you created an impractical sense. i would see that mr. bodies should have interest with this, these 5. it is simon, ski cope may not be willing to do it because he lives on the west and a does not want these a plot line to be cut all mm. uh, so the really hard part of the facility and that's my i personally, i think rushing should be able to do it now. perfect. perfect. so can i ask you about this uh, a line uh issue because like a couple of european thinkers, including the prominent german sociologist, vulgar and streak express their concern recently that washington is now trying to your p. a nice that's for that is to have that is to ship the burden alpha,

financial responsibility, the burden of arming the burden of training onto uh, the european union. first and foremost onto germany. do you think that's possible? do you think the, the or things have enough resources to fly that hor for, for the americans and support that for, for the americans? i don't think about how efficient uh, weapon system or resources. but they have money though, you're being so not poor. the, the e u countries are rich countries. mr. trump is right to criticize your vin. they don't then, but it's a pain to little for natal. um, so yes, united states now support to ukraine. eventually they will validate the duty to european part of nato. that's the american plan. so and the simple i see it is. and finally, if i'm a mini and russia to know the china of pointing its own algoy for dealing with the ukrainian crisis, do you think china can offer anything to ukraine?

not to russia because service the russia you on good friendly terms, but can you offer anything appealing enough to ukraine to make is interested in the so called ecumenical piece? well reconstruction help in reconstruction. remember, china isn't the think investor and maybe to a trade fund to with ukraine before the war, the ukraine, it's 1415 percent to a trade with china. and we invested in, nor was in there the war actually, you know what, that is. a lot of chinese investment, so ukraine's know that and they have interest for the future reconstruction. i think this is one called chinese will play. besides, chinese may be able to persuade the escape. that's a ceasefire. it's not a bad idea. ceasefire. think about the time and joan in korean peninsula, 9053. so used by a hold. it's for almost 70. yes. anyway,

despite you don't have a peace street takes you to an also. so let's get this know they have to recognize the territory taken by a russia. if you have a ceasefire agreement, i truly hope the, the china is, can be a, as active in that, that i'm sure as will a serve. the interest of, of the russians. they are craniums and pretty much the entire world if they succeed in doing that. right. i hope so too. i hope so too. well, we have to leave in there, but thank you very much for joining us today. thank you. thank you very much, bye and thank you for watching hope to syria again on walter parts

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you put the device, you're saves the, the headlines on off the international as ukrainian at naval drones or repels off to attacking a russian war ship and the blacks. the columns of this american intelligence, a you, a, the activity is reportedly increased in the area. economists on the south africa could lose up to $32000000000.00 in trade revenue for remaining neutral on the ukraine conflict and not condemning russia. also romania apologizes and recalls on bassett of the kenya with different i chose to troop monkeys after cruise

representative to the local meeting of u. n. n. boys in nairobi. the, the only thing that such a busy week here at all to international let's or run down some of the highlights, but also 0 in on this i was told the headline 0 not so it must go says that ukraine has used naval drove in june and attempt to sink a russian war ship and the black sea, according to the ministry of the attack, failed, and the enemy vessels were destroyed. as we understand, the russian ship is key to protecting the tux stream gas pipeline, and the area will details not without ease equal to staff. the russian defense ministry has reveals that ukraine used at least 6 maritime drones to carry out an attack against a russian warship. some 300 kilometers away from the coast over the crime in peninsula now, according to the russian ministry of defense, old 6 on the vessels would, it's for you to buy the russian voice and it was left on the hummed again,

this is not the 1st time that this sort of incident happens just around a month ago. a similar attack was carried out against another russian naval vessel uh, by re unmanned drones, which was also unsuccessful. and also was 3 ukrainian drones were destroyed both times a nato surveillance plane was spotted uh, in the direct vicinity from the place where the attack took place. now, most importantly, such attacks the jeopardize, the so called a great deal because russia accuses ukraine of exploiting safe passages, safe maritime rooms that we agreed on within the frameworks of the great deal. and that were meant only for cargo ships that moved great and around the world. and so russia, of course accuses ukraine of exploiting these routes and carrying out these attacks, basically these, whoops, they allow ukraine to use these drones to,

to carry out attacks against russian vessels. also, when the crime in bridge was blowing up last year for us, you also said that if russia finds out, if most school is investigative, is find out that well, these routes, the safe passages of the great deal were used to smuggle explosives that were used in the bombing of the crimean bridge that the grand deal would be offered the table . so this is yet another incident that jeopardizes a vital part of the, of the will global order really. and that helps bring of food on the table of the less fortunate ones in africa and other poor regions of the well $94.00 russian p. o. w is returning home from ukraine in captivity. following negotiations between moscow and cab is ready to start. and that'll be taken to medical facilities for treatment and rehab of the troops of period. pretty happy to

be back home and showing the smiles as they make phone calls to bella. now let's update you on some of the latest now from the contact line. so as you cry and did launch as long promised contra offensive against russian defensive lines on the southern front. however, rushers, defense ministry says it has repelled all of the attacks. now reports they've been coming into us here. documents a national basically saying that some of the most intensive fighting was right here . and this at all is a region where, incidentally, by the way, just last year, residents voted in our referendum to officially become a part of russian up the shirts and furniture of the cottage from the front lines. frank, the key of through thousands of soldiers and german left at times into the battle. the clearly, the western referee didn't last too long. we understand that several americans applied on vehicles are also, i'm on this wreckage. now. of course, your crane has suffered heavy losses. i sense this offensive was launched roughly a week ago. it's according to the russian minister of defense. that's a, bring out some numbers for you now here on the program and i, well,

you can see the numbers pretty much speak for themselves now throughout the week, ukraine's being very quiet about his activities present as a lensky only recently, confirming the counter offensive had begun something it was not important says his fe, it was in the system, a switched can be staying with absolute surfacing so that this offensive has begun . this is evidenced by the use of strategic reserve by the ukranian army. furthermore, the ukrainian troops did not achieve the objectives assigned to them in any of the call back area. just go over these days we, we have observed significant losses of the troops of the ukrainian regina stevens. there are lots of stuff that essentially greater than the classic 3 to one ratio extracted during offensive operations. this week, a huge flood devastated the heart of southern region after a key dime when the river was breached. a month ago, says kia deliberately released the vast amounts of water upstream prior to destroying the barrier, to exacerbate the flooding effect of videos. the most apparent it shows that

intentional release of the water out that the nip are hydro electric station. see the sluice gates were open and russia is the security council secretary says nate, so must accept positive blame for the disaster as nato that gives the green light for a lot of kids action. the serious damage done to the guy with a couple of sky, a hydro electric pond happened monday nights surrounding areas down stream 5 me flooded off towards the russian defense ministers courting at an active terabyte ukraine who's in courting it. e co side, in terms of human costs, the local officials say at least 8 civilians died and the flooding dozens, mo, injured all 7, some uh, 7000 people. what effect from that homes and over the course of the week, the water levels and that the never river have lowered significantly, especially north of the whole sky at um, however, there are enough areas that do remain swamped out of town and the russian original build the road on the border with ukraine. it has been under ukrainian shutting now

for a good 2 weeks. i should back in a resembles kind of a, a ghost town majority of its 40000 population having evacuated a safe areas. all these correspond to now shape bows has been speaking to volunteers in the region, but also locals who decided to stay and stick it out. as we arrived here, we have just periods the significant sounds of heavy artillery strikes, which we believe are hitting the town and villages ahead of us. we can see smoke rising from the settlement. and tragically, over the past month, 5 people have been killed by this indiscriminate ukrainian shelley. we believe by a 155 millimeter and nato supplied artillery rounds and grad rockets which are quite indiscriminate. and they've hit the settlements, they've, they've injured dozens of people who we've met in belgrade. and we've just heard the artillery strikes and some of the air defenses going up as, as well it's,

it's seeming to intercept some of those. uh, techs. no, it's remarkable to see that still some people here in, in the area are staying in their homes. nichols on you. thought you were not going anywhere. you my son lives in saint petersburg. you, he's worried about us and he calls and he's nervous. but i tell them the money, but i'm not going anywhere. never leave my home and my mother. i didn't have anything else besides the day, so please you will forward your voice. fine. we're trying to complete the situation with the showing starts. we hide in our basement that you now have a good one. but while we sit down there and light candles, or friends from baldwin, bring us some of these numbers of instruments. terry and 8 here. not only residential buildings are being targeted and destroyed or re businesses like this grocery store being hit also, which is why the humanitarian aid that's being delivered by the local humanitarian groups is so critical for the survival of local residents. we're here at one of the

mill road me front, which is a civil organization, a political civil organization that helps people in need. we're just outside belgrade and we're going to go in and have a look actually one of the distribution centers and hubs. you can see the vehicles and what that goes here a doing is the packaging of ordinary pieces of food stuffs, clothing, and they're bringing it out to some of the villages that have been hit by this. a ukrainian, shelly, and these a ukrainian assaults on russian territories. now what the fuck you have. there is a back with all the essentials. food comes to our warehouse here from over russia. many people have been evacuated from cubic and not because of the showing by the freight and forces. we're now focusing more on helping residents of the overall bill. good region. the narrow road in the front is a humanitarian organization that delivers a 2 villages because there is no electricity, no water, no the stores are working. it is difficult for residents to move around because of

the showing for revision. this is, i'm donors, are also assisting the number of the front in the critical work to get aiden help to those in need on the front lines on the road. the front is best buy, socially responsible businesses, and that help us by contributing various humanitarian aid, including children, supplies, and such as baby clothes, stationary and more of an issue back in on may remain on the safe. it's important to remember that there are brave volunteers working around the clock to ensure the help that's needed by those have chosen to stay with get to the shape, bose or t shit back. you know, south africa risks losing up to $32000000000.00 in trade over its neutrality with the ukraine. conflicts. that's according to an economist of stein liber organization, that is the largest asset management company in south africa. she says the west has certain economic strings that it could result to pulling together the