the point of view, so many profits for both russia and the west that it is simply stupid not to use this. but unfortunately it, it, one differently for we, it's a very long discussion. why? but i would say 2 reasons. the 2 main reasons at that period that 1st of all, who didn't believe that we can base our, our interaction, i mean thrust most 3 or entirely from the west. and we come back to your question about the ideal a rash or was absolutely non ideological at that point. on the other side, euro, teens and americans came with the idea. yes. interaction and cooperation is, is fantastic. excellent. but before we start, let's, let's you should, uh, you should accept, that's our values, our set of, uh, no peaks or a set of perceptions is correct and do you need to adopt it?

and then we can cooperate. and so, and this value base thinking, i would say this is ideology, of course, this is ideological approach that has the rail, the lots because puts you in step to the opposite. let's start with interest. let's start with our no concrete, the interconnection. and then we will see a rush, or we'll slowly move towards a more or less same uh, same uh, kind of a political system and so on. but this is our way, this is our decision. the lesson position was not the 1st you should change and then it. and 2nd, 2nd reason, which unfortunately turn to officer the terminal and faithful for our, our cooperation in a rush, i believed on which and believed historically and contemporary that the russia, as a great power through additional, great power has the right to have as futile beings less they'll have a c or whether it's interest are being respect that the some would

say they're mutually exclusive. those too. but and also catherine. the great isn't here to talk about the fact that she too wanted to move. it is also gonna be at westwood. give me yeah, i can't speak about specifics then right now. so the position we're in, it's clear i'm putting your up to a site and when i return to them is i can add to the blinking against us these 5. i mean, did it surprise you? how far they going to go to the end? it was a bar, as johnson sent to destroy the chinese piece plan for ukraine being sent to the land skin saying, look, this is a fight to the end, regardless of nuclear weapon use. politically. i think that unfortunately, just now i have no chance for any kind of piece of discussions, beat open discussions or even even discussions because we are in the middle of

a, an extremely low cv or fierce battle. yes, indeed, both sides perceive it as a exist angel on the russian side, if you ask anybody in the ruling group or even very many else citizens, ordinary citizens, they would say that after what happens and after what is happening now. uh, the only goal of the west and ukraine is a new samantha in western hines. the only goal is to destroy russia is a great state ridge bower, completely. so in a way that dresser will never recover. and this is they believe here. on the other side, seeing for united states, this is a very, actually really a month and maybe a correct assessment that the, if you grade will be defeated,

or at least if russia will achieve significant goals there. that will be a very serious blow. joe, us, i mean, nation in the world and process threats which we see already now that are the guns we start to look around and don't to accept to us. so the primacy anymore. this process will be kind of like like, uh, like a levine. so that's what i, what i uh think is the, uh, the situation now, which means that there is no compromise. one side should when, and this is the situation right now, feel the kind of of stop you, the more from the editor in chief of rusher and global affairs, and chairman of the presidium of the russian council on foreign and defense policy . after this break, the,

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there are rules, then there are ways this is how some nato countries approaching grains membership in the alliance will the us like military alliance attempt to invite to the club, to some kind of back door at the upcoming summit. the, the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of russia in global affairs for your daughter, the general. well, the speed of the multi polarity, of course, is a major issue. russia obviously wanted to quicker, sooner rather than later. you were talking about what some might see is fusions early in the even g. a. this is optimism, is russia and rationally to game making the same mistake because the other one is

being re elected. what does he do send to like his troops to kosovo, to reinforce nato in against the population that we've seen? we've seen him presumably making efforts to have sweden back in nato. so be, is that inside the router, which what ready to send? i munition, to the lensky in the, in the bowl from the balkans, lula neutral saudi arabia neutral, avowedly why all these different powers? okay, they're not supporting the west in your about, in the united states. the minority of the nations is the envoys by population low to the un general assembly. but is there a night or t here about the speed of a bricks? hedge a monic power us? uh, no, i wouldn't call it and i have it. yeah. and more than that, so you say, rick, send you money, power. you know, that's, that's the very western view that if one hedge him on the, is being the, the, the,

the post from the position of them. and now they have gym on, should come, multi posed a huge amount of power then. yeah, but multiple of the pull on has your money power has no age limit. so you know that this, this is the question and more than that, it's my personal view. i don't really represent anybody here, but i think that even multiple our 2 in the sense which we saw it before. and that was a to for to, to put it bluntly. how did we imagine multi polarity is a then you have a single, 15 years ago when we expired that something. blanca european costs to, to, for school programs at the bowers, united essentially not the 100 among, but say 3 or 46 countries. i'm not sure that you do it on our level that because of what followed. that was will one and we'll do it to exist. exactly. exactly. that's what i say. what the, what i'm trying to say that we imagine multi polarity because we, we have,

we have no other other power or low. so we imagines like this. but what do we see now is actually a multiple lot of the in the sounds that he g, my, me or dummy nation is not available anymore. even the united states understand that . and then we have more and more players, more and more countries which has something to say. some of them are very big, like china, like russia, like india. some of them are less the middle sized countries like sort of key we shall mention like saudi arabia. some of them are very tiny countries like uh, for instance, capt are but old, those countries, they have some influence on what is going on in the world. there's absolutely new situation. we could, we couldn't imagine say 2025 plus 2 or 3 years ago that the company insides of

copped are, would be, uh, should be, uh, should be regarded as a player. and this is what this coming. and in this, in this big picture, what do you said about serbia, about turkey, about other countries? that's a new, that's a new normal. it's because every country is trying to survive. and every country is trying to pursue its own national interest. and this is normal, rationally, it's trying to do that, but everybody else as well, what we, what we is, what we are leaving. i mean this, the rules based order. and so that this is a situation when everybody should do what is has being prescribed by somebody. now it's solar and this, this is a new situation. now, turkey, it is sending people to cost or tomorrow to work. it is a helping crush and to, to settle some very important issues the day after tomorrow. turkey works with,

i don't know whom with the for arms about something that's, that's a normal thing. you know, and this is actually what we saw in the history of international relations for 4 centuries. so the period after the 2nd world war was actually an exemption, not the room. a wealth of grams. yeah, of course, who invented that hedge. a monic caught them at the global working class was the inter month. so that's kind of multi polar. but where is the well, your viewing, which because ironically is the kind the world pronounced from, from the us state department. but clearly, i think anyone in the world will realize that that was a, that's a, that's a p r stunt that the, the us use. but the point is that why you want this lovely will do it much. there assassinations in moscow in saint petersburg as a drone attack on the kremlin, blinking, talking about a strategic failure for russia is i don't even know whether russia even understands

that they certainly have a 1340 can on the board with finland to guard against at nato, sheffield, and of course, as, as to nature, the other day, i mean, was rush or even guarding the know and stream from attack. that's why the single mainstream media in nature, nations talked about imminent demise of russia. you know, the, the period, the time when uh when, when we leave. now that's an absolutely exceptional moment in history. okay. not exceptional. such moments happen. but not so no, so frequently. so no, it's not each generation leaves through something like this. when the whole world system is drifting to parts and changing, transforming into something completely different in this regard,

changes to they are bigger then changes 30 plus years ago and community as a collapse because uh bipolar system disappeared. but easy to us know a framework of international relations div remain at the time and survive until until recently. now it is collapsing to and if we look through this lance through the, through or through to this prison, then of course uh such kind of changes cannot be easy, cannot be uh quick as cannot be uh, painless. so why, why does the roster sweep prepared for such kind of scale? you know, uh, what do we uh, predict and imagine this kind of uh, uh, collapse. so the previous set up a relationship? no. oh, i was told you a was disappointed with how things have gone. yes, put 14. is it pull edition how he can,

how he can say to the whole public that he was disappointed. he is a, he's a leader of the nation. he has no rights to, to be disappointed actually. so that i, i, it's easier for, for me, i can, i can analyze the slightly more know, openly so, and you know what you, you ask and you, you quote, this assessment that the rushes in in decline. and the mice at the end of the day, again, we started with the saying that we are now at war need a big war, hybrid or whatever, how you call it the proxy war. but this is a big war between the russia and the west. uh, and this war uh, fortunately is not yet is not the direct collision, but we are moving towards the, unfortunately, and easy to use in war. why should we expect?

is the most, uh uh, continuation of, uh, things which we go to go to used to. of course it's impossible. so the problem with me, for example, and the my colleagues a year and a half ago when basically when almost all of us failed to predict what was coming was very, very, very simple. we, we underestimate that the scale of changes would stop in the world, not just between the russian, ukraine or russians. united states. this is, it was process. we on the risk, the method that, and that's why it'd be cool. no beginning of the special military operation. cortez by surprise. now we're on the stand this scale, and unfortunately we need to, we need to accept this scale will be extremely traumatic for all of us. yeah, presumably it's not cold war by the rest of the government in special military operations, because if the russians really wanted to take your grand tomorrow,

they'd use that croft and mass casualties and that would be a war. so let's get on to western europe then because if i was standing, use it for drinking the cool district and things as strategic for any of a rush. it is a you from your vantage point and you talk to c o is i've seen you and, well, the st. petersburg is coming up. you've spoken to all these sorts of people. as far as you can see, is that you bankrupting itself a germany now in recession. we don't know how much poverty we'll kill people in western europe because jeremy's, the powerhouse or of the economy in europe let alone how many died because of node stream because of the cold and the higher energy prices and the function waiting energy prices in your so i'm not qualified to, to assess the economic pool. this is a sofa germany or other european countries. so i thing that, uh, actually we hear in the russia over as the made sense or underestimate that the resilience of european nickel on them is in the same way as the west underestimate

that the reserves are brush nickel and, but what is important? i think it's, it's not my view is the view of mr. barrell, for example, who said the in a speech half a year ago or so talking to the to european diplomats i the representative. so if you going to be in union will wipe said very clearly that to our, our prosperity, european for spare it to was based on 2 sources, cheap russian energy and cheap chinese labor. uh, and that was a very successful model for you or for the gates of the coming back to, to maybe 50 is or 60 simply sixties and seventies. now, in solar, you said, and that means that europe will need a completely new economic model. and this economic model will not be based on all

those advantages i've had before. a russian european energy relationship was fantastically good for both sides. unbelievably good. just very, very briefly. what is the st. petersburg, the international become nomic for them? because globally, i don't think joseph morals is invited this year. what is elf starting from last year? if there's more in any word looking is more re entered on towards domestic development. despite this fact, uh, there are some, uh, relatively many border and guess a mostly from so called friendly countries. non europe known us. but of course, for russia, as for the you, for your opinions that's time to talk to, olivia says they cannot make model and model of economic development. and i know that in the, or you'll moderating some of the born discussions they have fewer. thank you. thank you. very much that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode with a deal. then you can keep in touch my role as social media,

give it to not sense that in your country. and how do i general going on the ground tv on mobile dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground c s s day the the who when i looked, showed the wrong just don't to shape out. because an engagement, it was the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the there are rules,

then there are ways. this is how some nato countries approaching brains. membership in the alliance will the us like military alliance for tim to invite to the club, to some kind of back door at the upcoming summit. the on the fun here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displays, people who have come from to surround the villages that were recently attacked as over 60000 feet below, evacuated from western russian territories under ukrainian artillery fire policy visits a refugee camp in the be able good region, the sign up slums, us media allegations, the beijing has still got to deal with cuba to setup a spice station on the island. also coming up when i left that as well, it was ready to collapse. we would have take it over,

we would have got doing that oil would have been great fix or the shop openly claims. the us should have taken venezuelan oil by 4 o'clock in 2019 on washington's losing his position and credibility on the political arena for the majority of the world's population simpleton russia, without, at least as, according to the also of the reports on the north stream pipelines top attached the monday morning, a most skill. my name's peter scott, and wherever you're joining us from welcome to 13 minutes of news and analysis for this weekend. so at least 12 auto shells 5 by ukrainian forces of the bill. good region in western russia. that's according to the local man. residential building was hates and the ton of shit beckoned, which sits on the border. the house coats fire with windows be shifted by the strike on the over 60000 people have been evacuated to such as all across the vale . good region, caesar shaped bows report some of the refugee shots out as to which he has

a pretty good deal of opinions. i'm here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displace people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands of salt refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge humanitarian operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only what something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on water essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size and the scale of the assistance that people are getting almost i'm, although there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however,

many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people as from the ship, back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly, sick to young babies, children, pregnant women, and entire families. there's about 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know,

and are getting re house in other regions in areas. this is a cynical assault on civilians targeted that civilians and this led to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by the voice mer of bell garad region is very kind. thank read to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions which has suffered attacks is of a 200 people in this center alone. alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has fail garage received as displays? people? what's the total drop of the dealer? it's over the past week about 10 thousands of all fellow countrymen from cubic, you know, have boss, for temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with the laws of all into your movements in which medical students, including foreign ones, are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade,

where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who have been displaced from should back in on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort their mobile clinics, and it must be said that the work of the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible about how our students are very kind and they always like here to help people. and it's not true or somebody say that they are evil or lazy. not true. there's also still a bright side to the story if you like. when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play. all the medical care is being met and you can use a small one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working also as

psychotherapists, it's about the human side of this conflict showing it's true that people want peace . they want to see people left in peace and truly that's what we should be talking about. but unfortunately, in the western media, the piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the mosque slips. now as we see, towns like your back, you know, in belgrade be indiscriminately attacked with nato supplied weapons. specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato, a sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask in, in the east of ukraine, the, the most powerful haka empire. well, that's how you're beijing has labeled washington accusing us of slender and the latest war of words following west the media report. this alleged china ponds to

sign a secret deal with cuba just as a spice station on the island on entry, the remote mongering and slowing to is it come and trick for the united states? you don't mean a once in interference in the internal affairs of other countries, is it paid on to the united states. the united states is also the, the most powerful have to empire in the world and a veritable surveillance power. united states as a legally occupied the one kind of a naval base in cuba for a long time engaged in a shady activities and imposed a blockade against cuba to more than 60 years of the news outlets quoted, anonymous, us officials for the new york times claim and china has one intelligence operations in cuba since 2019 china is a global times to, to social media. so here's the western media all spreading this information totally some mysteries and known official spreading rumors that can be very solid. there is no need for china to spend billions of dollars on this, and it seems more reasonable to use the money to investigate

u. s. military bases in the asia pacific region ages drop in worldwide builds and military base just now trying to 3rd tray and conducting close recognizance of china coast. that's what you asked, has been doing to try now. this was about to save us allegations, coded lead to a tightening of sanctions against cuba. so let's go on the list on the blog. alex reports of a of the us is seeking to damage the chinese high tech sector. they come up with these, the allegations they throwed out there the see if it's going to work. they see if it will damage business. i mean, they did a lot of damage to the huawei and i think, you know, once again, they might be using this for an alternative mode of here that to me we may see something, maybe a of sanctions come down and some more high tech companies. uh, from china, for sure. if you look at the americans, they have a yearly budget of $300000000.00 to offset china and they use it with, you know, a lot of anti rhetoric uh pieces that continually go out. we can never, uh,

you know, pinpoint who is getting a part of that fund. now that money flows into the system. how many of these media outlets are putting their hands in the pie and taking it and coming up with, you know, such, you know, slanderous allegations. it's incredible. but, you know, diplomacy usually is the one that com, everything down in this situation. but unfortunately the u. s. credits for diplomacy have run out. will there be any backlash against the media? probably not. absolutely not because they are on to their next story already. what that will be? i'm sure it will be something outland is just like this one. doesn't use the former us president donald trump has insisted the us should know my oil from button his whaler even suggesting taking it by force about with buying oil for venezuela. when i left that as well, it was ready to collapse. we would have take it over, we would have gotten all that, well, it would have been right next door. but now we're buying oil from venezuela,

so we're making a dictator very rich. can you believe this? nobody could believe it. back in 2019, venezuela was overwhelmed by protests with the speaker of parliaments. while i'm glad though, declared himself entering presence of the country, is kind of to say it was supported by that in president trump, who claimed president my doors position was a legitimate and venezuelans were demanding freedom under the rule of law. but they are supposed to be more focused on the countries or results as than defending a legit democratic freedoms. us has been accused of seizing oil from countries where it has conducted that your operations a form, a rocky president said $150000000000.00 of oil money had been stolen from middle eastern country since the us invaded to 2 decades ago. soon, officials claimed colossal, aggressive to 80 percent of the countries all production was being funded. daily. trump has opened the said multiple times, the us has been taking oil from syria,