in this country, the onto metacognition is measured, that's about 8 to 5 to 95 percent. and, and that for, um, uh, you know, the people that don't get shut either way, but by what they see into west media. i say so, i guess that in recent years he's somewhat fallen out of favor with the u. s. authors grace is pulling out of grace. yes. because you know what happened was she turned and against the american plans of carving out courtesy, stone. and particularly in the case of syria and that he fell out of step with the americans. he wanted to get you the upside down. sorry, a he wanted to depos um the, the city and the the how a l. i saw it. but then the americans didn't follow it. what they wanted to do well though it was the americans who got to end up beat way and creating

a big mess in syria and all that. so basically, an indian he came down to where he should be in the right at the beginning. okay. coming up next we'll explore turkey is vital role in the ongoing conflict in ukraine. we'll discuss it when we return with dr. hass on know. so type the m o will be right back, the hi, i'm accepted and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. you do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please, or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and

whatever you do. don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way and say there are rules. then there are ways. this is how some nato countries approaching grains. membership in the alliance will be us like military alliance to attempt to invite you to a club through some kind of back door at the upcoming summit. the welcome back to the m. o. m l. a chance turkey's position on the map puts this country on a tightrope with how to handle some of today's major issues like getting rushing rain out of the conflict zone in the black sea to reach parts of the world. who need it? most. doctor hass on you know,

is back with us professor some of those are the ones political successes as of late have revolved around his careful handling of the conflict in ukraine. most notably brokering the blacks the grain deal and it's extension. now he's been merged as something of a deal broker in the region. how do you view are the ones for and policies thus far? and what do you expect to see in his 3rd term in the way of foreign policy? well 1st and i should point out that i was a critique office at handling on foreign policy is some, you know, until 3 years ago. because indeed i was probably the most boss affairs critic among the academia and a because for about 10 years or so, he turned almost everyone in the region to gaze tactic because the policy being part student was some sort of uh, is la,

missed is hired. i deal logically draven and uh too much is leaning on the united states and the europeans and, but have your and oldest basic, could backfire on this phase. and i had been at predicting that this was going to be terribly costly for turk and for him and the administration, he basically net and i was proven right some, but i would say it was about 3 years ago or 20 caused rossi. and basically he began to tie, drop his house in terms of reconsidering his spot of policy, and she did a wonderful job out of the mattress. he basically had the made up with this how these with united up image rates and then egypt and israel, you know,

i was so insistent on both agent and israel, that turkey should actually am the makeup would because he can't go on like this. i said, and then he focused on syria. meanwhile, on the great new crisis, i certainly, he's still clear a ready, you know, a wonderful midway policy, which is very much in line with doctors, national interest. so basically, you remain in the tall, you talk to or nato partners, but you don't get and you don't basically bed, even if they get along with the onto the show sanctions or what have you. because there is no vote in nato, so you don't, you may express your criticism of sanctions or whatever you, but there's no vote. do you know the sanctions policy? it is not an institutionalized policy. okay. you'd say it's something like

a legal volunteers try up the collective west if you like. and so what talked you did touch it even in 2014 when it rush on next guide. yeah, it said no sanctions and no sanchez, policy protect it. you know, which was again, good old or iris, critical of turkey's overall foreign policy in those years. i backed that. so here and without joining the entourage of sanctions and at the same time, keeping all the lines of communications open to must go entity as to what to do. basically you called to rate best possible ties to must go and you keep your statue, your position with g a are quite sort of hard, shall i say palatable. and so to you have on the stand. so i'll be important to keep talking on board and, and a then, then you are the deal break if you become

a broker, basically. and he broke, he has broke. uh he's, he's done the green deal and he's also done several a lot at the and some of them went uh without much publication. some something like exchange of, uh more or, or, or prisoners of war for instance, between german most crow. i'm and a, now the russians understand the importance of touch. it just one point to add um, touchy m a. even at the height of the cold war, manage to cultivate good relations with the soviet union from 1964. right up to $84.00 for about 2 decades. and, you know, earning the confidence of moscow and a unit is a flushing economy to nations between the 2 nations and then m

a talk it basically they made a lot of heavy industrial investments at the time with 12 yet no haul. and which soviet support general that so it worked wonderful. well, we'll do each remain in nato. so if we can do it, if it could do it at the time, we can do it in a much better rate this time. why not? because it is often rolled in turkey's interest. so the nato countries, some of them is sort of mumbled politics. you know, they may not like it, but this is life octo and this is what multiply or do brings about and talk to is out to benefit all to auto multiply. and more broadly, as you alluded to, turkey has walked a delicate line between balancing the east and the west. by most accounts where turkey sits on the map. the country is the gateway to europe on one side and to

asia on the other. now as blocks such as bricks plus or the c s t o, the seo or even be your agent, economic union continue to grow how well took the navigate those while there's pressure from nato partners to turn away. um, i think at those pressures from need to could well be counted by tacket, polite the m, and through a diplomatic ways means and the western world. in general, we have to understand that turkey a is going to be one of the, one of in terms of its foreign policy formulation. and it's for them, policy exist sizes and is going to be a unique country or one of the unique countries in the world. you know, multiple the world door to the, you know, as a unit is when you plotted it is gone and multiplied as it has the most.

now we are in a new, you have a situation in which i'm the tuck a. as it's your graphic dictates is going to remain in nato. and you know, quite uh, friendly with nato partners and allies and what have you. but at the same time, i would think it is getting to the resort to each need to have power. most of the content then not okay. as we've seen it, which is sweet and lately. and so it is getting too big because after all, it is the, it has the 2nd largest armed forces up to the united states with the nato. so i'd say it's a powerful country in military times, within nato and joe graphic. it makes it more powerful. the more important because it is a country, a medium size, medium sized country, which can project poverty more than one regions. so i'm at all the

combined means that turkey is going to remain in the top, but at the same time it is getting to cultivate best possible ties due to other centers of world china, for instance, the belt enrolled and instructive. tucker, quote, late date to talk to target well is it has evolved into. ready a international organization, so they enjoy turkey and you know, they get together a country like either by john who has leaned over to talk j over the 2 decades has anybody to it's at occupied territories. so it's a sign of strength. and at the same time and is a, is indicative for what they should be doing. i'm or i shot again has become a very good partner. it is not on the economy and trade, but we have and very good and uh,

deals with the russians over the nuclear power plant. and a photo mol, tell, can russia have set up some sort of a, how shall i say? i'm the consultation mechanism over political matters at region wide, which is, which has been working quite well over syria, over libya, over other problems. and at the same time, there is being at both joining military relationship between tuck and russia and a in, in, in future. i won't take long perhaps, eh, for talk and russia to co produce modern technology weapons because chuck has become, has, has, and actually say turkey has eh, turkish at defense industry. he's also coming up. he does come out to produce

cutting edge technology weapons and things, and the russians do appreciate that. now, i gotta add one more thing about nato. what trove are the one to the next session of finland in tomato and, and where does that leave suite? and will it ever happen for sweden as well? it is difficult to say yes or no. with the, in the case of fiddler fence, we didn't, the, the, and the a did, did the hawks a veto poverty targeting shorter to was because of the large numbers of, of p k, k and sympathizers and terrorist and they're affiliated institutions and organizations freely operating in both in both countries initially, and that was old for swedish deals with the empty tray case of short of syria. that is why p g is a p y d animal that you know,

and all those groups and, and then it transpired that there is very few of them in similar, but most data, most dual painting in sweden. and then the previous swedish government promised to cut off all that ties to the peach 8 and the city and its city an offshoot p y d and all that it had been financially backing that. but that are quite a number of the p k. k. a, m a p k, a unit, p j j. sometimes there's one to kentucky by to talk to low and that are up and to also set to groups. you know, dates had to like to learn organization who teddy dot d. i bought it at cool in 2016 and, and at a touch of finland. and it's we done signed up to him ma'am. we're on the by which

sweden and finland promised to to, to, to cut off all day relations with them. and they also promised to somehow eliminate that, it's not, eliminate may not be that i would, but you know, to, to do something proper to satisfy turkey. about those living in about those 10 or suspects, living in sweden. but they are not taking the proper steps that tech has been asking for. so that is why i took as clear field out of the deal and then said okay, fair enough to can come a can go in, but not sweden onto they basically at to day at home. okay. and then at the level those 10, our suspects to talk to you should be good system. they haven't done so and we wait

to, we'd have to wait and see what happens. there's also the american side to do whole story because the americans had not been selling that at the latest and model of it succeeds to talking. it's a complicated story. they fight in administration by the name, subs, aids, adelanto. he's a, he's the guy that in the country out here as an ink cartridge about to call follow up. and, you know, the story is quite complicated in the us congress. uh was it domina, play games at todd cape is to so i it's a type required. so on to talk to you. she told me over the years because of turkish territory. 2 ties between tuck and israel, and now things are a bit better because all multiply, even by the sense that there's through the us congress and says, you know, we have to sell them to the doctor because turkey said,

important need to ally and all that. i'm a, we'd have to gain weight and wait and see, but meanwhile touchy is making each on tight to play. it is going to be on a par with s $35.00 technology. so that is also a something interesting because on the one hand, they're not selling us the sort of a military accurate when we bond. but at the same time we made it back to the russian or what they. ready want to sell us and if this is being distorted over the last 40 years or so, dr. hass on you know, thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. you can follow doctor, you know, on his twitter at the house on, you know, 1920, thank you so much. thank you. thank you. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi. the show that digs deep

into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thanks for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o. the russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send the send the 65 with the cable. $95.00 must be the one else calls. question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

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can the breaking use this all on oxy? all much, all the and prime minister silvio berlusconi dies at the age of $8.00 to $6.00 in milan. according to local media giants, all of its all the in politics passed away after being hospitalized last week. from here in belgrade, one of the assistants points for the displays, people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery. as over 60000, people are evacuated from west investment territories of the relentless ukrainian artillery fire. all the visits of refuge account in the billboard region. china slums, us media allegations, the phasing has struck a deal with cuba, central based buy station on the island. also i had when i left the bid as well,

it was ready to collapse. we would have take it over. we would have got going that way or would have been right next to donald trump supposedly claims the us should have been say can, does wayland oil by falls talk in 20190 claims is controlled, but his brothers freedom and democracy if it's on the table and a most go minus pizza scott's here with all the lights is next by much for joining us. we start this all with a bit of breaking news on ok. so you the format of telling you and prime minister silvio berlusconi has died 8 to 6 in milan, as, according to local media reports, he passed away in hospital of to be admitted last week with serious health issues. but let's go, he said, as it's only a prime minister 3 times, let's take a look at dyslexia, a born and fastest. it's lee in 1936 cylinder of our las go, only said that he remembered the horrors of war from

a young age. perhaps that is what serve this is drive to become not only immediate tycoon, one of the richest men in italy, but also the longest serving its highland prime minister after world war 2. italy is the country i love here i have my roots, my hopes, my horizons here, i learned from my job as an end for premier or from my father and from life here i learned the passion for freedom. i tell you that we can. i tell you that we must build together for us and for our children, a new italian miracle multibillion. they're heading a european government. suppose also a 1st, but that's not all. he also own one of the most famous football clubs in the world . ac milan for 30 years. his other passion was singing and not many people know that he actually co rhodes the teams and some. oddly enough, he named his conservative party foresight. dahlia which means go instantly after

trans used by ac milan fence. a man of many talents who always left a lasting impression, writes charming, controversial humorous, and never afraid to speak his mind. as he said, lucy, don't c or a k c cam, i guess he can like, is he gonna? that's paid, said one of the rooms that to but i mean, these are who's to be mean it until this is the name on, on up the says, his level of women was perhaps, as the tories as his law for vladimir putin much was written about their so called roman and silver, the decades in western mainstream media. and he always hoped that he could bring washington into the mix when i was in government in 2000. and one i said publicly that i wanted to end the cold war, which had been going on for 50 years and was a terrible anguish. i was successful because here in rome, in 2002,

i convinced george bush and vladimir putin using all my talents. so friendly relations to ends with the cold war. that doesn't last long as we know, but the friendship between boots and then better school need one from strength to strength. some said it was due to mutual business interests, but it seemed to go far beyond that. here there were and saw dania when they it's highly and liter hosted fruits and that has villa in 2008. and this has them in crime, mia and 2015. a controversial trip for western politician as it came after. local residents voted overwhelmingly to reunify with russia. 87 percent of crimean citizens voted 93 percent devoted to seed from ukraine, voted to b, and a ton of mr. public voted to become part of the russian federation. you should see the love, the gratitude and the friendliness that welcome to food and that didn't go down well with western politicians, of course, but silvio berlusconi was not

a man who cared about what other thoughts. and he never shied away from telling it like it is. he understood russia's point of view and slammed the wes for prolonging the conflict in ukraine. justice february to us, birch and washington to come to the senses and start watson and keith to cut off the weapon supplies in order to achieve an immediate cease fire. i would never have gone talking to the landscape because we're witnessing the devastation of his country and the slaughter of its soldiers and civilians. so i judge very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman. berlusconi is ridiculous accusations against the ukrainian president are an attempt to kiss pollutants hands which are covered in blood up to the elbows. the portion was pushed by the russian population by his party, by his ministers to an event, this special operation. the plan was for russian troops to enter in a week to replace the landscape government with a government of decent people. this is

a man who entered politics in the early ninety's and managed to serve 3 terms, despite being constantly charged with something, it seems mainly tax evasion of fraud. most charges were dismissed, but he was eventually convicted of tax fraud in 2014 and was even banned from running for office. as soon as the band was lifted in 2018 however, he went to seats in the european parliament the following year. and he returned to the country, senates. but it was gone. he was never wants to give up or stay away. i am the jesus christ of politics. i am a patient, the victim. i put up with everyone. i sacrifice myself for everyone. i have very good personal relations with mister, but a skates. i think that he's one of the greatest european politicians of today, despite his stablished manner with women as a politician, he is of course, one of the last mohicans of europe in politics. the passing of silvio berlusconi is

a great loss not only for its late and european politics, but also for russia, as he was one of very few people in europe, who not only respected russia's points of view, but was also trying to get others to understand that it truly is the end of any era moving on to all the news now this weekend, so at least 12 onto the shelves, 5 by you quite a few forces at the be able good region in western russia. that's according to the local man. residential building was heads and it's on a should back and it sits on the boulder the house qualify with windows shots that are the strike. currently, over 60000, people are being evacuated to sensors across the be all good region of these shape always reports. one of those refugee shelters in which you have some pretty good deal of, i'm here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displace people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked while ukrainian artillery and

incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands of salt refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge humanitarian operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only about something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on what are essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size of the scale of the assistance that people are getting almost to. there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city,

which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people this from the ship back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly, sick to young babies, children, pregnant women, an entire families. there's of a 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting re house in other regions in areas. this is a cynical assault on civilians. targeted civilians on this led to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region,

i'm joined by the voicemail of belgrade region, who's very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions, which is so for the taxes of a 200 people in this center alone. alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has fail? garage received us displaced people. what's the total prostate need you to over the past week about 10 thousands of all fellow countryman from cubic you know, has the boss with temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large role in 2 movements in which medical students, including foreign ones, are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the.