i mean, did it surprise you, how far they're going to go to the end? it was a bar, as johnson sent to destroy the chinese piece plan for ukraine being sent to the lens. again saying, look, this is a fight to the end regardless of nuclear weapon use. politically. i think that unfortunately just now we have no chance for any kind of piece of discussions. be open discussions or even even discussions because we are in the middle of a, an extremely severe, fierce battle. yes, indeed, both sides perceive it as a exist angel on the russian side. if you ask anybody in the ruling group, or even very many else to say to those ordinary citizens, they would say that after what happens and after what is happening now. uh,

the only goal of the west and ukraine is an instrument in western hines. the only goal is to destroy russia is a great state rate bower completely. so in a way that dresser will never recover. and this is a believe here on the other side that seeing for united states, this is a very, actually really a month and maybe a correct assessment that the, if you grade will be defeated, or at least if russia will achieve significant goals there. that will be a very serious blow, joe. you, as the mean nation in the world and process threats which we see already now, that are the guns we start to look around and don't to accept uh us a promise anymore. this process will be kind of like like, uh, like a levine. so that's what i,

what i uh think is the, uh, the situation now, which means that there is no compromise. one side should when. and this is the situation right now. feel the kind of of stop you, the more from the editor in chief of rusher and global affairs, and chairman of the presidium of the russian council on foreign and defense policy . after this break, the rom just don't have to safe house. because the after and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the the

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not to buy these folks clicked the button. so i'm sitting here. busy waiting for you to take a picture of the day so that i'm not the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of russia in global affairs. good. all the channels. we'll, the speed of the multi polarity, of course, is a major issue. russia obviously wanted quicker, sooner rather than later. you were talking about what some might see is fusions early. and i even g, a, this is optimism, is russia and russian. they lead to game making the same mistake because the other one is being re elected. what does he do send to like his troops to costco, to reinforce nato in against the population that we've seen.

and we've seen him presumably making efforts to have sweden back in nature. so it'd be, is that inside the router, which, what ready to send out munition, to the lensky in the, in the bowl from the balkans, lula neutral saudi arabia neutral, avowedly why not all these different powers? okay. they're not supporting the west in your about in the united states. the minority of the nations is the envoys by population low to the un general assembly . but is there a not able to hear about the speed of bricks, hedge a monic power us? uh no, i wouldn't call it and i have it. yeah. and more than that, you say, rick, send you money, power. you know, that's, that's the very western view that if one hedge him on the, is being the, the, the, the post from the position of them and now they have gym on, should come multi posed a huge amount of power then. yeah,

but multiple of the pull on has your money power is not a gym and so you know that this, this is the question and more than that, it's my personal view. i don't really represent anybody here, but i think that even multiple lara 2 in the sense which we saw it before. and that was a to, for the to put it bluntly. how did we imagine the multi polarity is a then you have a single, 15 years ago when we expired that something, blanca european costs to, to for scope up on sort of bowers. imagine essentially not the 100 among, but say 3 or 46 countries. i'm not sure that you had on our level that because of what followed. that was will one and we'll do it to exist. exactly. exactly. that's what i say. what the, what i'm trying to say that we imagine multi polarity because we, we have, we have no other other power or low. so we imagines like this. but what we see now is actually a multiple lot of the, in the sense that he g, my, me,

or dummy nation is not available anymore. even the united states understand that. and then we have more and more players, more and more countries which has something to say. some of them are very big, like china, like russia, like india. some of them are less the middle sized countries like sort of key we shall mention like saudi arabia. some of them are very tiny countries like uh, for instance, capt are but old, those countries, they have some influence on what is going on in the world. there's absolutely new situation. we could, we couldn't imagine say 2025 and still 3 years ago that they've gone to the insides of cops are, would be, should be, uh, should be regardless, as i believe. and then this is what is coming. and in this,

in this big picture, what do you said about serbia, about turkey, about other countries? that's a new, that's a new normal. it's because every country is trying to survive. and every country is trying to pursue its own national interest. and this is normal, rationally, it's trying to do that, but everybody else as well, what we, what we is, what we are leaving. i mean this, the rules based on their own. so that this is a situation when everybody should do what is has being prescribed by somebody. now it's solar and this, this is a new situation. now uh, total kit is sending people to cost or tomorrow to get is a help inc. russia to, to settle some very important issues the day after tomorrow to work he works with. i don't know whom with the for arms about something that's, that's a normal thing,

you know, and this is actually what we saw in the history of international relations for 4 centuries. so the period after the 2nd world war was actually an exemption, not the room as well. graham, she of course, who invented that hedge a monic to him and the global working class was the instrument. so that's kind of multi polar. but where is the well, your viewing, which it goes, ironically is the kind the world pronounced from, from the us state department. but clearly, i think anyone in the world will realize that that was a, that's a, that's a p r stunt that the, the us use. but the point is that why you want this lovely will do it much. there are assassinations in moscow in saint petersburg and there's a drone attack on the kremlin blinking, talking about a strategic failure for russia is i don't even know whether russia even understands that they certainly have a 1340 can on the board with finland to guard against,

at nato, sheffield, and of course, as, as to nature, the other day, i mean, was rush or even guarding the know, and stream from attack. that's why the single mainstream media in nature, nations talked about imminent demise of russia. you know, the, the period, the time when uh when, when we leave. now that's an officer to exceptional moment in history. okay. not exceptional. such moments happen. but not so no, so frequently. so no, it's not each generation leaves through something like this. when the whole world system is drifting to parts and changing, transforming into something completely different in this regard, changes to they are bigger then changes 30 plus years ago and community as a collapsed because uh bipolar system disappeared. but easy to us know,

a framework of international relations div remain at the time and survive until until recently. now it is collapsing to and if we look through this lance through the 0 through the through to this prison, then of course uh such kind of changes cannot be easy. cannot be, uh quick as cannot be uh, painless. so why, why does the ross shops we prepare for such kind of scale? you know, uh, what do we uh, predicts and imagine this kind of uh, uh, collapse. so the previous set up a relationship? no. oh uh, once they told you a was disappointed with how things have gone. yes, put 14 is it pull edition how he can, how he can say to the whole public that he was disappointed. he is a, he's

a leader of the nation. he has no rights to, to be disappointed the extra that so that i, i, it's easier for, for me i can, i can analyze so slightly more know, openly. so, and you know what you, you ask and you, you quote, this assessment that rushes in in decline and the mice at the end of the day, again, we started with the saying that we are now at war. i need a big war, high breakthrough or whatever, how you call it the proxy war. but this is a big war between the russia and the west. uh, and this war uh, fortunately is not yet is not the direct collision, but we are moving towards the, unfortunately, and easily teasing more. why should we expect is the most, uh, uh, continuation of, uh, things which we go to go to used to. of course it's impossible. so the problem with

me, for example, and the my colleagues a year and a half ago when basically when almost all of us failed to predict what was coming was very, very, very simple. we, we underestimate that the scale of changes would stop in the world, not just between the russian, ukraine or russian, the united states. this is, it was process we on the risk and method that and that's why uh, vehicle no beginning of the special military operation cost as by surprise. now we understand this scale, and unfortunately we need to, we need to accept this scale will be extremely traumatic for all of us. yeah, presumably it's not cold war by the rest of the government in special military operations. because if the russians really wanted to take your grand tomorrow, they'd use that croft and mass casualties, and that would be a war. so let's get on to western europe then. because if i was standing,

use it for drinking the cool district and things as strategic for any of a rush. it is the you from your vantage point and you talk to ceo's, i've seen you and val, the st. petersburg is coming up. you've spoken to all these sorts of people. as far as you can see, is that you bankrupting itself a germany now in recession. we don't know how much poverty we'll kill people in western europe because jeremy's, the powerhouse or of the economy in europe let alone. now many died because of node stream because of the cold and the higher energy prices and they've fluctuating energy prices in your so i'm not qualified to, to assess the economic pool. this is a sofa germany or other european countries. so i thing that, uh, actually we hear in the russia over as the made sense or underestimate that the resilience of european nickel on them is in the same way as the west underestimate that the reserves are brush nickel and, but what is important? i think it's, it's not my view is the view of mr. barrell, for example,

who said the in a speech half a year ago or so talking to the to european diplomats i the representative. so if you going to be in union will, wife just said very clearly that our, our prosperity, european prosperity was based on 2 sources. cheap russian energy and cheap chinese labor. uh, and that was a very successful model for you or for the gates of the coming back to, to maybe 50 is or 60 simply sixties and seventies. now, in solar, you said, and that means that europe will need a completely new economic model. and this economic model will not be based on all those advantages i've had before. a russian european and the general relationship was fantastically good for both sides. unbelievably good. just very,

very briefly. what is the st. petersburg the international? because i'll make for them because globally, i don't think joseph morals is invited this year. what is else? starting from last year, if there's more uh, in, in the board looking is more re entered on towards domestic development. despite this fact, uh, there are some, uh, relatively many for and guess a mostly from so called friendly countries in europe known to us. but of course, for russia, as for the you, for your opinions, that's time to daughter, olivia says they cannot make model and model of economic development. and i know that either you or your moderating some of the important discussions they have fewer. thank you. thank you very much. have that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode with a deal. then you can keep in touch my role as social media, give it to not sense that in your country. and i do a general going undergrad tv on mobile dot com to watch new and old episodes of

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the there are least, then there are ways. this is how some nato countries approach ukraine's membership in the alliance will be us like military alliance to attempt to invite you to a club through some kind of back door at the upcoming summit, the of the 1898. the united states won the war against spain and gain control of the philippines. the people of the philippines held that the americans would help over throw spanish rule and the grand independence through the country. but the united states was by no means willing to give freedom to the philippines and saw it as

just another colony. the 1999, the filipinos began armed resistance to the new occupier. of american troops were barely able to occupy the territory of the philippine republic. but that bay 3, it started a desperate guerilla war. washington was forced to sit in new reinforcements and triple the number of its troops on the islands. the us army suffered heavy losses. the americans took it out on the population. general jacob smith, in revenge for the gorilla attack on the garrison in the city of fall on ega porter to kill everyone over 10 years old. the monstrous gulf of terror, according to the most conservative estimates, lead to the death of about 200000 philippines. the americans managed to surprise the gorillas only 14 years after the beginning of the war. but the united states was not able to stop the national liberation struggle of the filipino peoples in

1946. after the decades of the dramatic ordeal, the philippines was finally able to achieve independence. the breaking news this hour on oxy form, it's all the in prime minister silvio berlusconi dies at the age of $8.00 to $6.00 in milan. the giants of its and politics passed away after being hospitalized last week. also in the program. from here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displaced people who have come from the surrounding villages that were basically attacked by ukrainian artillery. as over 60000, people are evacuated from western russian territories and their relentless, ukrainian optometry fire policy visits a refugee camp in detail. good region sinus loves us media allegations of beijing has struck a deal with cuba to settle

a spice station on the islands when i left that as well, it was ready to collapse. we would have take you to avoid when a guy no matter what a good right, dixie and donald trump openly claims the us should have taken venezuelan oil by falls back in 2019. the us claimed it stood for ben as well in freedom and democracy at the time the but watching all the international monies be to scott and wherever you are. joining us from. welcome to 30 minutes of news and analysis. i always thought we somebody can use the saw on. i tell you the format. it's all the in the prime minister, silvio berlusconi has died age 86 and milan. he passed away in a hospital of to be not mentioned last week, was serious a health issues, but it's going to be served as it's all in 5 minutes to 3 times. let's take a quick look at these legacy porn and fascist. it's

a 1936 sylvia versus connie said that he remembered the horrors of war from a young age. perhaps that is what serve this is drive to become not only immediate tycoon, one of the richest men in italy, but also the longest serving its highland prime minister after world war 2 in italy use the country. i love here, i have my roots, my hopes, my horizons here, i learned my job as an end for premier or from my father and from life here i learned the passion for freedom. i tell you that we can, i tell you that we must build together for us and for our children, a new italian miracle multibillion. there are heading a european government. suppose also a 1st, but that's not all. he also own one of the most famous football clubs in the world ac milan for 30 years. his other passion was singing, and not many people know that he actually co rhodes the teams and some oddly enough, he named his conservative party 4th se, talia,

which means go instantly after trans used by ac milan fans a man of many talents who always left a lasting impression, writes charming, controversial humorous, and never afraid to speak his mind. as he said, lucy, don't c or a k c. yeah, i'm, i guess you, can, i get the gamma. that's paid data when i put it on that too. but i mean, these are used to be mean it instead of using the name on, on up the order says his level of women was perhaps, as the tories as his lawful vladimir putin much was written about their so called romance over the decades in western mainstream media and he always hoped that he could bring washington into the mix. when i was in government in 2001 i said publicly that i wanted to end the cold war, which had been going on for 50 years and was

a terrible anguish. i was successful because here in rome, in 2002, i convinced george bush and vladimir putin using all my talents of friendly relations to ends of the cold war. that doesn't last long as we know, but the friendship between puts in a better school need one from strength to strength. some said it was due to mutual business interests, but it seemed to go far beyond that. here there were and saw dania when they it's highland leader hosted boots in the, at his villa in 2008. and this has them and crimea in 2015, a controversial trip for western politician. as it came after. local residents voted overwhelmingly to reunify with russia. 87 percent of crime means citizens voted 93 percent voted to seed from ukraine, voted to be an a ton. them is republic voted to become part of the russian federation. you should see the love, the gratitude and the friendliness that welcome to bruton. that didn't go down well

with western politicians, of course, but silvio berlusconi was not a man who cared about what other thoughts. and he never shied away from telling it like it is. he understood russia's points of view and slammed the wes for prolonging the conflict in ukraine. justice february to us virgin washington to come to the senses and start threatening keith to cut off the weapon supplies in order to achieve an immediate cease fire. soon. i would never have gone talking to the landscape because we're witnessing the devastation of his country and the slaughter of its soldiers and civilians. so i judge you very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman. berlusconi is ridiculous accusations against the ukrainian president are in an attempt to kiss pollutants hands which are covered in blood, up to the elbows a coach and was pushed by the russian population by his party, by his ministers to invent the special operation. the plan was for russian troops to enter in a week to replace the landscape of government with

a government of decent people. this is a man who entered politics in the early ninety's and managed to serve 3 terms, despite being constantly charged with something that seems mainly tax evasion of fraud. most charges were dismissed, but he was eventually convicted of tax fraud in 2014 and was even banned from running for office. as soon as the band was lifted in 2018, however, he won a seats in the european parliament the following year, and he would turn to the country senate federalist school and he was never wants to give up or stay away. i am the jesus christ of politics. i am a patient, the victim. i put up with everyone. i sacrifice myself for everyone. i have very good personal relations with mister, but a scrutiny. i think that he's one of the great as european politicians of today, despite his stablished man and with women as a politician, he is of course,

one of the last mohicans of europe in politics. the passing of silvio berlusconi is a great loss not only for its sleep and european politics, but also for russia, as he was one of very few people in europe who not only respected rushes, points of view, but was also trying to get others to understand that it truly is the end of any era . while he back to to discuss this with then, silvio berlusconi is form assistance on all of the, of the book. true. but it's connie, i'm on business mind politician. that's dario revolt. who is joining me live now. formula is thorough. thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us today. um now you are joining us from, but it's going is hometown under its own way. he unfortunately passed away. can you tell us what the mood is like in the city and the country is a whole? but i have one that has been shop the here. even people in the market,

so be part of the houses. it is indeed the something that the ever it to everyone, even the those that we have not the is friends a, using the giant, everybody who realizes that have what he bought do realize that he was a and a he has been a great body of a he tell you and you will be on the east coast. let's get, can you describe us a bit what he was like as both a politician and the, as a mon, was there a difference between the 2 always was what you saw is what you've got with him as a man. he was a very, is it very pleasant better some to, to remain with it. uh he was, uh, it was liking it to be maurice because he was a very synthetic to everybody. and he was respecting everybody. i have been working with the met for many years, even before 46,

and i do not remember any moments in which he aggress the sum total of what a dose of that was not doing well his job. he was always trying to understand that to correct that he was very kind and the as it politician, i could, he decides the many times a month for some respect to all the in cabinet 40 dixon. but i think that the, in the what the extent of international politics is concerned that he has been the really perfect anytime he has been the bride meanest, that will be to and he was a peaceful manner. it was a really trying to obtain a, it was the in the we should be so it was don't mean anything. and where everyone the show that being a respective, by the that's even by even the feet it counseling was as

a motor. one showed up being respected by the biggest one. and i think that the international politics he has been that's what we've actually taken me on. and i mean some ways answered my next question about the legacy that is likely to leave behind. obviously, how did very colorful pass on was embroiled in and some scandals throughout his lifetime. but what do you think will be the, the overriding of memory of him among people initially and internationally to? well, i think that the, you need tell the most of people we to the forget about the scan, those scan those away at a and human aspect of a, he's behaving that that was not the most important about the, about the, among the human aspects of him and the about politics, he is going to be able to change a lot in politics in go the ending bed way as he typed them. so no one uh for sure