in international politics, he has been perfect. that's what we've actually taken me on and in some ways answered my next question about the legacy that he's like, needs to leave behind. obviously he had a very colorful pass on was embroiled in and some scandals throughout his lifetime . but what do you think would be the overriding of memory of him among people initially and internationally? well, i think that the, initially most of people we do the forget about this kind of scanned us away at a and human aspect of a he's behaving that that was not the most important about the, about the, among the human aspects of him and the about politics, he is going to be able to change a lot thing. police in go the ending bed way as a type and send the one that uh for sure. what can be on the uh, at best exception. but uh, i think that the, even a for those that these like the email in the past, the, uh,

by the time they already started to, to, to change. and that will be on the one of the month. and the one that he's be having the employee takes and um, he's legacy i own a may remain the way my nose, but the i o but may have the main and the i am sure that the many danielle wheeler who so we lead cry about the fact that there is no longer data with that it's. it's certainly a very, very sub dave for the country now, obviously, silvio berlusconi. he came to politics after being a successful businessman and wants to what extent do you believe his experience in the world of business helped him in his political career because he became family very little expensive if any. it's all in politics while i'm this is for sure

having, being a successful businessman, gave human the popularity and the game a. also the financial means florida in the being involved of the employees being said, the beginning. but the fact is that the he was credible as a businessman and also when he entered into the employee dixon, he has been going to see the gregory board by most what we try the and as a, as a politician. sure to do to be a politician in a democracy, it is necessity to have the money with them without the money it is impossible in a democracy to to stop the air, we are fully take a successful life. indeed many politicians have of stuff to the career of to being wealthy businessman. no, it's no secret. obviously that's a silvio. berlusconi was,

was good friends with the russian president vladimir putin. they had a great personal friendship. why do you think that's so close? was it purely political or business? oh, is that something deep between them as well? i think that the most lead was really a human relationship. a human human, a friendship between digital and i never had the opportunity of looking at them together by the anytime aids happened. to me, to talk with the motor without those, and both of their relationships. and i was aware that the friendship was a really a human, a csc of friendship. besides that, for sure. also for the police recovery zone, they found that many things seemed we should, they were agreeing, it may be something good and we said they were mother on the percent that going by the i think that the, the human aspect. so it was the most important in the other nations, even before

a body takes no dial. in your opinion, how do you think better, strongly did what so few lead is money to do and that's maintain good relations with moscow while also maintaining good relations with washington. and the west is a very fine line to tread. how did you manage it? you know, uh he had a very good relationship uh with the boucher and the with the just a booty. but the when the pressure didn't change in the united states a the better some relationship will no longer there. and the, we have to know that the united states is not the only one voice. there are many voice what they'd schools of the deep stages was not that it was never in favor of god's relationship, but with the russia and the fact that the cdl middle school,

it was so close to 14 and was liking to have a good relationship between a totally europe and russia was enough to like the united states. and the consequences was that, uh, is that an issue. but with the united states, the off, the bush was not no longer able to say well, and finally, just one more question. dario before i let you go after his resignation, but let's go and he did. he did stay in politics and he served as a sent it to india tell you in parliament is its own usual for its prime ministers to remain in the political say even after the resign. always politics and working for it to lead me to his passion. we did not feel usual, but the you'll see once they've been in school any entered into police except he, he was convinced that the it was, it must, the for him. it must up to him to dedicate the all of these efforts to,

to the county and to do a good job, the counseling. so uh, it was impossible for him really to be pushed out of from $46.00. and the, it was a, something that he felt has that he's a destiny to be serving a casual people in any case, any moment the up to up to this morning when he died. well, the real revolt a bell is going to form assistance on all the books true, but let's go to the amount of business money politician. thank you very much for giving us your time today on us. so you, i'm showing your personal insights into but us going as a politician as a, as a month. thank you very much. like maybe not to other news. now this, we tend to saw at least 12 outside of the shelves, 5 by ukrainian forces of the belle grove region in western russia. that's according

to the local math. residential building was heads and it's understood big enough which sits on the border. it co fire with windows sausage by the strike. currently over 60000 people are being evacuated through sensors all across the bell. good region analogies and shape. both reports from one of the refugee shows a month and one here in belgrade. one of the assistance points for the displace people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands of salt refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge humanitarian operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only what something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on water essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the

mirror and he's outlined the size and the scale of the assistance that people are getting on. also i'm, although there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced. people says from the ship back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here

to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly, sick to young babies, children, pregnant women, an entire families. there's about 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting re house in other regions in areas. this is a cynical assault on civilians. targeted civilians on the sled to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by the voice mer of belgrade region, who's very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions which have separate attacks. there's a 200 people in this center alone. alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has belgrade received us displays people? what's the total of the prostate need you to over the past week about 10000 default

fellow countryman from cubic you know, has the boss with temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large role in 2 movements in which medical students, including foreign ones, are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who have been displaced from should beck and on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort their mobile clinics, and it must be said that the work of the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible. it's true, but how serious are where kinds and they always like here to help people and it's not true or somebody say that's evil or lazy. there's also still

a bright side to the story. if you like, when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play, all the medical care is being met and you can use a small one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working also as psychotherapists about the human side of this conflict showing through the people one piece. they want to see people left in peace and truly that's what we should be talking about. but unfortunately, the western media piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the mosque slips. now as we see towns like sheet back, you know, in belgrade b indiscriminately attacked with natal supplied weapons specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask in,

in the east of ukraine the, the most powerful hika empire. well, that's how beijing has labeled washington accusing the slender lights as well. of woods follows west and media reports alleging the china funds to sign a secret deal with cuba to central, based by station on the island. i'm a tree dog, remote mongering and sloan to is it come and trick for the united states. it only wants in interference in the internal affairs of other countries, is it paid on of the united states. the united states is also the, the most powerful have to empire in the world and a veritable surveillance power. united states is a legally occupied one ton of money by a naval base in cuba for a long time engaged in a shady activities and imposed a blockade against cuba to more than 60 years. to the news outlets quoted and all of us us officials for the new york times, claiming china is one intelligence operations in cuba since 2019 signed as global times to, to social media, to accuse the western media and spreading misinformation,

toys some mysteries and known official spreading rumors that can be verified, there is no need for china to spend billions of dollars on this. and it seems more reasonable to use the money to investigate u. s. military bases in the asia pacific region, aged shopping worldwide builds and military base just now trying to 3rd tray and conducting close reconnaissance of china coast. that's what you asked has been do into china. but with have on a 2nd year celebrations, could lead to a tightening of sanctions against cuba physical on list. i'm blogger alex, for both of a believes us as seeking to dumb into the chinese high tech sect. they come up with these, the allegations they throwed out there the see if it's going to work. they see if it will damage business. i mean, they did a lot of damage to huawei and i think, you know, once again, they might be using this for an alternative mode of here that to me we may see something or maybe a of sanctions come down on some more high tech companies. uh,

from china, for sure. if you look at the americans, they have a yearly budget of $300000000.00 to offset china and they use it with, you know, a lot of a n t rhetoric uh pieces that continually go out. we can never, uh, you know, pinpoint who is getting a part of that fund. now that money flows into the system. how many of these media outlets are putting their hands in the pie and taking it and coming up with, you know, such a, you know, slanderous allegations. it's incredible. but, you know, diplomacy usually is the one that com, everything down in this situation. but unfortunately, the us credits for diplomacy of run out. will there be any backlash against the media? probably not. absolutely not because they are on to their next story already. what that will be? i'm sure it will be something outland is just like this one. the former us president donald trump has insisted the us should know by oil from venezuela,

even suggesting taking it by force about with buying oil for venezuela. when i left that as well, it was ready to collapse. we would have take it over. we would have gotten to a lateral well it would have been right next door. but now we're buying oil from venezuela, so we're making a dictator very rich. can you believe this? nobody could believe it. a fucking 2019 son. his father was overwhelmed by protests with the speak of solomon's bond. why, though, declaring himself entering precedents of the country. this candidacy was supported by then president trump. the plan for the materials position was in a guesstimate and event as well as with the funding freedom and the role of law. what's the rest of it to be more focused on the countries or resources than defending a legit democratic freedoms? us has been accused of seizing oil from countries where it says conduct admitted she operations. a form, a rocky president said $150000000000.00 of oil money had been stolen from the country since the us invaded soon. officials claimed also adjusted up to 80 percent of the country oil production was being funded daily,

and trump has openly set on numerous occasions. the the us has been taking oil from syria, but we are leaving soldiers to secure the oil. now we may have to fight for the oil . it's okay, but we keep in the oil. remember that i've always said that keep the oil. we want to keep the oil $45000000.00 a month. the, we're keeping the oil, we have the oil, the oil is secure. we left troops behind only for the oil. we did leave, so just because we're keeping the oil so we secure the oil other than that, there's no reason for it in our opinion, and we've secured the oil and therefore a small number of us troops will remain in the area where they have the oil market j, the editor of the monterey be adults. old news outlet says the us is now looking for its next target. this is the of us foreign policy. you know enough to look back to the eighty's, even the seventy's. and if you look at just about every single intervention

americans, don't you know where you mentioned syria, erac libya, most americans, presidents think that way they may not be quite so, but it is. i'm clumsy. when talking about oil, i don't think we should, we should make the mistake to that. it is under the republicans, i think, a little presents look at, look around the world and see where they can send troops and creates these security situations whereby they americans present themselves a saving the situation. and part of the deal is to cool us go for the energy countries, you would just, it was a record report about in kind of in the uganda is now a real if you're present with mrs. a right now, you must be really worried that you are sitting on 12 trillion dollars worth of gold, and the americans are now starting to make the river in austin, very aggressive comments. the relations between 9 correct and abu dhabi are continuing to improve as the united arab emirates president visited his, took his town spots hailing the strengthening ties. as we discuss ways to further

strengthen economic cooperation and the strategic partnership between the 2 nations and ways to promote regional stability towards the prosperous future. for all of a high level. main thing is the 1st in nearly a decade on comes on the heels of richard, broad ones. we since the election mostly dislikes, best hope for the deepening of ties in the future. and it's all out an official stump to the signing of a comprehensive economic partnership agreements between the countries this year. it's also about the 50th anniversary of diplomatic ties between the 2 nations. when the relations between anchor and b, i, yes, i know the example of why did refreshments across the middle east, that was serious, based on wits end. so they are big, of course, and saudi arabia underground have also renewed ties of to decades of facilities. and so national relations specialist measurements, rocky buller says, the trend may boring. some western players the most probably the western countries, especially united states of america,

is not happy that regional countries are not competing that corporate corporate. of course, they're not going to allow us to stay above the, the, the, the process is marketing good luck most strongly. they really, you know, they have some kind of finger that they can put in, in a, in a, in a field such as d, b a, such a cd, such as is mid city. and then they can, you know, create the kind of new version of but also have power by taking it in clark by, you know, supporting some countries. it gets to the, it could be in, in, in syria. it could be in libya, it could be in human, you know, it, it could be also yes for the. it is almost evident that wisdom countries are not totally controlled ingredient. they are not the time mining. and the policies of the regional powers, some of the lead by lead to the relations indeed made of this or not defined or

directed by the west or by the united states of america. so this is the new course of action in the region. a n t o t t and the united startup companies are likely to corporate more in the future. we'll just before we go back to our breaking news story, the it's all in the x prime minister, silvio berlusconi has died in the hospital in milan, aged 86. now he was 1st admitted to hospice old back in april of this year, both of late struggling with pneumonia and leukemia. starting off as a businessman in the 19 sixty's, but it's going to lead to says 3 times of pm on for the full cabinets. you said it's an $83.00 much of the 2, thousands and remained popular among cellphones throughout his premiership, silvio berlusconi remained influential in natalia and politics throughout these lights. he is leading a sense of bite to coalition for

more on bill that's going to use legacy as well as all the latest updates r t dot com is your place to go. want to speak to scott, and that's all for me. but rachel blevins will be here in the whole seat instead say, i hope you weeks off to a great start. the the,

[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter level. there are rules, then there are rules. this is how some nato countries approach you grands membership in the alliance will the us slide military alliance attempt to invite kids into the club to some kind of back door at the upcoming summit. in building this the discuss this issue and more on joined by my guest, martin j in marrow cash. he's an award winning journalist and commentator in budapest, we cross the george said he, while he's a pod cast, read the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and the locals. are a gentleman,

cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. we'll start out with george in budapest. we have the upcoming nato summit in, in bill us, and there's a flurry of reports about you know what to do for ukraine, because in 2018 there was a promise that one day will happen. well, that seems like a distant memory, considering what's happened, particularly over the last 16 months. and we have to always be cautious as a well natal by it. so rules does not allow members to join if they have territorial disputes. well, i think you ukraine is in kind of that category right now, george. but it's something you and i've talked about for a very long time, is that the rules don't mean much to this lines to break their own rules, that it sits their own purposes. george yeah, you're absolutely right. the, the, they will break their own rules, the rubber that they have is are, they are poised by their own baton. i mean, simmons is saying to them,

they don't need no stinking nathan membership. you know, in 5 is fine by which time ukraine will have been completely defeated by russia. i need major membership. now i need nato to be fighting on my side now. and maintenance doesn't quite know what to do with this arguments, so they're coming up with all of these so convoluted ideas. or maybe we can uh, go through have some bilateral agreements, so may be fun. so poland can guarantee ukraine. but what's the advantage of france to guarantee you know, security, but ukraine, that means fonts will be just on the hook, the fights on behalf of the ukraine. well, george, russia, we do have the presidents, you know, the, the, the u. k and friends made security data entry is the poll when did the 900? why didn't it didn't help the balls and now we have, i'm on this for the rest moose in the form and nato secretary general will now says

as a advisor to the ukraine government, he says, well, maybe we can create something called the coalition of the willing so problem, the bolt explains, you know, they go in and fight on the ukraine's behalf. and of course, what happens then is that if, in the sense that fighting a in ukraine, russia targets, poland, unable to explain them, they will scream, all the go. 5, optical 5 were under a 3rd major. you know, one for all i know for one, nathan must enter the war. well, you know, resolutions things of the world are these stupid because we don't realize what, what he's proposing. so essentially, but they think that they can sneak ukraine through the back door, but there isn't the formal invitation. but in effect, major was still managed to get into this war on your grades. but i thought, well, we have to all remember recipes of the former head of nato. you have to propose something to get that fat paycheck that he's getting from the ukraine, which the americans are subsidizing. okay. mark the, the, they're trying to square

a circle right here. again, you know, they have their rules. but, you know, there was some kind of expeditionary force from poland. well, that's in nato country, but as far as rest, it is concerned. i mean, and there's one thing that i think is very important that is almost never ever mentioned in the discourse, is that, you know, we always hear about article 5, but there is an article one of the treaty and basically, and i'm just going to use common parlance here, don't start being ours. okay. and this is essentially, it's some are proposing again to break their own rules, which, you know, i wouldn't be surprised when they do because they do it all the time. are yeah, but what is the price for breaking those rules? i mean, you have something now which is i would say completely unprecedented on a much very much a tony point now in ukraine. more we, what we're seeing now is a group of countries in this, in europe, and that recently and addressed google banking, that fist on the table to say, we need know to

a membership. you claim. let's not talk about it and months or whenever, let's actually talk about it as a reality. that could happen right now because they see the any way for the, for any development, positive on the west and the side for any progress they see. so check the to boo subjects, best talked about. so this was never talked about the to the subject of ukraine shortage of socialism. this is really in my view, what's central to this whole and they to debate, you know, so let's keep things on and on about minutes, equipment. they wouldn't never touch the subject of the numbers of soldiers that the needs. now, you know, we're tired of us. colonels i'll be interviewed on an inch that whoever was informed because of getting the information on the ground rules and from the pentagon bass saying that the savanski hasn't lost undersized the soldiers, that thing is lost. plus the $250000.00. then talking about press gains, rounding up men over the age of 48 years old. they've got a 3 hour lifestyle on the, on the battlefront. so the real issue is men soldiers on the ground. we saw reports

recently in the u. k of 50 s s o, which is already operating in that you can, that's quite a high number of the special forces to operate behind enemy lines. and i think what we've seen in native now is a double barreled emission from nate. so and from this group of more gun, her members, one, what nature has done, what west police has done in the last 15 months is nowhere near enough. they really haven't received anything. and they've underestimate to every single 100 and underestimate about of money. the number of bits of them up, the amount of kids, and they're under estimate as a result of russians now and, and to the 2nd point really is the, um, let me talk about military kit and searches, you know, the estimation, i think is so underestimated that we could be looking at now, i'm tripling or quadrupling the actual ministry support. so these countries are saying they're talking about the possibility of going into ukraine and some of the

soldiers into crime, but the major mondays with them, with a month, it's simply from their own governments. and the russians will just simply accept, obviously, not that drum, this is not nature. there's no, the west fights or just jumping. right. these are not nato troops up to this is just the business which really upset because george, i mean, this is the kind of big beside is the number one of the sudden, miraculously you, um, the mic nato accepts, you know, you propane into the alliance, the rule that will determine the russians know why, what is it called in what way. and then this kind of this, you know, wave the magic wand and say the 12 components are part of nature. but these troops are not part of neutral, but they're always citizens. i mean, this is kind of the that this is a circle jerk here, george. uh, that's right. and, and the thing is that they are also convinced that russia is afraid of made. so it

was, i think we'll look at, let's see, is sneak in poland, and the voltage states and whoever wants to join this coalition of link and russell say, hey, we don't want to hit boland because if we go on bones, going to scream all the go 5, then more it will with nato, and we are afraid of nato, because nato is much bigger than much stronger than we are. and, you know, we're not ready to go. nuclear nato, however, is ready to go in euclid. so that is the last of the argument that we can essentially bring in additional uh, manpower and russia will simply not there to hit this ramp and we'll just simply slink away in defeat. that's the argument. but of course, you know, why should russia except this, i mean, the, you know, once, once you're in and you're fighting a deal, grades be hop in ukraine, russia will hit you and will extend the war. i mean, you is, was, what's a fed target? well, publish and basis, bullish, logistics, the supply lines,