aid and creating a big mess in syria and all that. so basically an indian he came down to where he should be in the right at the beginning. okay. coming up next we'll explore turkey is vital role in the ongoing conflict in ukraine. we'll discuss it when we return with dr. hass on know. so type the m o will be right back the the the

the welcome back to the m o. m l a chance. turkeys position on the map puts this country on a tightrope with how to handle some of today's major issues like getting rushing rain out of the conflict zone in the black sea to reach parts of the world. who need it? most. doctor hass on you know, is back with us professor some of them are the ones political successes as of late have revolved around his careful handling of the conflict in ukraine. most notably brokering the blacks the grain deal and it's extension. now he's been merged as something of a deal broker in the region. how do you view are the ones for and policies thus far? and what do you expect to see in his 3rd term in the way of foreign policy?

right. well 1st and i should point out that i was a critique office at handling on the forum policies. some i you know, until 2 years ago. because indeed, i was probably the most, most affairs, great take among the academia and a because for about 10 years or so, he turned almost everyone in the region. a gaze attach it because the policy being part student was some sort of, um, uh, is la missed is pyre, ideal logically draper and um, uh too much is leaning on the united states and the europeans and, but to have your and all those bases could backfire uh, on the space and i had been at predicting that this was going to be tied up that costs are for turk and for him and the administration,

he basically let and i was proven right some, but i would say it was about 3 years ago or twin a hoff prophecy, and basically he began to tie drop his house in terms of reconsidering his spot of policy and she did a wonderful job out of the mess. so she basically add the, made up with this, how these with united up image rates and then egypt and israel, you know, i was so insistent on both agent and each of the country should actually, and the makeup would because the congo on like this, i said and then he focused on syria. meanwhile, on the great new crisis, i certainly, he's still clear a ready, you know, a wonderful mid way policy, which is very much in line with talk these national interest. so basically you

remain in the tall, you talk to or natal partners, but you don't get and you don't basically bed, even if they a get along with the onto the show sanctions or what have you. because there is no vote in nato, so you don't. you may express your criticism of sanctions and whatever you, but there's no vote. united assumptions. policy is not an institutionalized policy. okay. you'd say it's something like a legal volunteers. okay. of the collective west if you like. and so what talked you did talk a even in 2014 when it will show our next cried. yeah, it said no sanctions and no sanchez policy protected it, which was a gain good old or iris, critical of turkey's overall foreign policy in those years. i backed that. so here

and without joining the entourage of sanctions and at the same time, keeping all the lines of communications opened to moscow, enter chips to what you do. basically, you cultivate best possible ties to moscow and you keep your statute, your position with jab, or quite sort of hard, shall i say, tolerable and such. you have on the stands, how be important to keep tucked on board and in a den, then you are the deal break if you become a broker, basically. and he broke, he has broke. uh he's, he's done the green deal and he's also done several other deals. some of them went uh, without much publication, some something like exchange of water or the prisoners of war. for instance, between jim in moscow and a now the russians understand the importance of tech. it's just one point to add um,

touchy m a. even at the height of the cold war, managed to cultivate good relations with the soviet union from $9.00 to $6.00, the full price up to $84.00 for about 2 decades. and, you know, earning the confidence of moscow and a unit is a flushing economy to nations between the 2 nations and then m a touch it basically, they made a lot of heavy industrial investments at the time with 12 yet no haul. and we'd solve yet supple dental, that so it worked. wonderful. well, we'll do you to remain in nato. so if we can do it, if it could do it at the time, we can do it in a much better rate this time. why not? because it is often rolled in turkey's interest. so the nato countries,

some of them is sort of mumble about it. you know, they may not like it, but this is life i've told. and this is what multiply or do brings about and talk to is out to benefit alta, auto multiply. and more broadly, as you alluded to, turkey out has walked a delicate line between balancing the east and the west. by most accounts where turkey sits on the map, the country is the gateway to europe on one side and to asia on the other. now as blocks such as bricks plus or the c s t o, the seo or even be your agent, economic union continue to grow. how will truck can navigate those while there's pressure from nato partners to turn away? and i think at those pressures from nate to could well be counted by tact, a polite

d m. and through the diploma take ways means and the western world. in general, we'd have to understand that turkey a is going to be one of the one in terms of its foreign policy formulation. and it's for them, policy exist sizes and is going to be a unique country or one of the unique countries in the world. you know, multiple the world or to the, you know, as a unit, a mini plotted to is gone and multiply or it has the most. now we are in a new you have a situation in which i'm that tuck it. as it's joe graphic dictates is going to remain in nato and you know, quite uh, friendly with nato partners and allies and what have you. but at the same time, i would think it is getting to the resort to each veto power more for the content.

then not okay, as we've seen it, which is sweet and lately. and so it is getting to because after all, it is the, it has the 2nd largest armed forces up to the united states with the nato. so it's a, it's a powerful country in military times within nato and joe graphic. it makes it more popular, more important because it is a country, a medium size, medium sized country, which can project poverty more than one regions. so, i'm old. that combined means that turkey is going to remain in the top, but at the same time, it is going to cultivate best possible ties. talk to other centers of world china, for instance, the belton road, and any shift. if the talk kick will late date, the talk you talk, it will, is it has evolved into a to national organization. so they enjoy turkey. and you know,

they get together and a country like hazard by john who has leaned over to catch it over the 2 decades. has anybody to it's at or to $530.00 tory so it's a sign of strength. and at the same time and is a, is indicated for what they should be doing. i'm or i shot again has become a very good partner. it is not on the economy and trade, but we have and very good and uh, deals with the russians over the nuclear power plant. and a photo mall took in russia, have setup some sort of a. how shall i say? i'm the consultation mechanism over political matters at region wide, which is, which has been working quite well over syria, over libya or other problems. and at the same time,

there is being at both joining military relationship between turk, in russia and in, in, in future. i won't take long perhaps, eh, for talk and russia to co produce modern technology weapons because turkey has become, has, has, and actually say, turkey has eh, turkish at defense industry. he's also coming up. it has come up to produce cutting edge technology weapons and things. and the russians do appreciate that. now i gotta add one more thing about nato. what trove are the one to the accession of finland into nato? and where does that leave sweet? and will it ever happen for sweden as well? it is difficult to say yes or no, with the air. in the case of fiddler then sweeping the d and

d a did. did the hawks, vito poverty targeting shorter was because of the large numbers of p k, k and sympathizers and terrorist and they're affiliated institutions . and organizations freely operating in both in both countries initially. and that was old for swedish deals with the empty tray case, offshore of syria. that is why p g is a p y d and all that, you know, and or, or all those groups. i'm and then it transpired that there is very few of them in sentiment, but most data, most dual painting in sweden. and then the previous swedish government promised to cut off all the ties to the p k. j and the city and its city an offshoot p y d and all that it had been financially backing debt. but that are quite

a number of the p k. k a. m a p k a unit p j k. sometimes there's one to kentucky by to talk to low and that are up and to also set to groups. you know, dates had to like to learn organization who carried out the aborted at cool in 2016 and, and at a touch of finland. and eh, we done signed up to him ma'am, or on the by which sweden and finland promised to, to, to, to cut off all day relations with them. and they also promised to somehow eliminate that. it's not, eliminate may not be that i would, but you know, to, to do something proper to satisfy turkey about those living in about those 10 or suspects living in sweeter. but they are not

taking the proper steps that tech has been asking for. so that is why i took as clear field out of the deal and then said okay, fair enough to can come a can go in, but not sweden onto they basically at to day at home. okay. and then at the level those 10, our suspects to talk to you should be good system. they haven't done so and we wait to, we'd have to wait and see what happens. there is also the american side to do whole story because the americans had not been selling get the latest uh, model of it succeeds to talking. it's a complicated story. they buy did not ministration by the name subs h edible on he's a, he's the guy that in the country out here as an ink cartridge. you both took off up and, you know, the story is quite complicated in the us congress. the,

was it domain? it play games it talk jeep is to so i eat a tech required. so on to talk to you, she told me over the years because of turkish, the category age and ties between tucked and israel. and now things are a bit better because of multiply it even by the sense that there's through the us congress and says, you know, we have to sell them to the doctor because turkey said, important need to ally and all that i'm a would have to again, wait and wait and see, but meanwhile touchy is making each on tight to play. it is going to be on a par with s $35.00 technology. so that is also a something interesting because on the one hand, they're not selling us the sort of a military accurate when we bond. but at the same time we made it back

to the russian or what they. ready want to sell us and if this is being distorted over the last 40 years or so, dr. hass on you know, thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. you can follow doctor, you know, on his twitter at house on, you know, 1920, thank you so much. thank you. thank you. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi. the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila. chad, thanks for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o. the

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not to buy useful stuff, but i'm saying yes, i see the best way to to take a picture of i'll go a little please. the straight face of that i'm not the, in the year of 1954, the united states of america engaged in warfare against the people of vietnam. the white house supported the corrupt above the government of southern vietnam. 1965 americans began their invasion following the aim to defeat the forces of vietnamese patriots. defend the gun was confident that the victory would be on the american

side due to its military superiority. however, the enemies during this for into total health for the occupants. unable to cope with the guerrillas, the american army started blanket bombing alongside using chemical weapons and naples, which burnt all alive. the village of my le, where in 1969 american soldiers killed 504 civilians, including 210 children, became a tragic symbol of this war. all involved during the whole period of this conflict, the usa dropped on vietnam more than $6000000.00 tons of bonds, which is 2 and a half times as much as on germany during the 2nd world war. in 1973, the american army under the pressure of the rebels, withdrew from vietnam, and only 2 years later did the puppet regime. and so i got involved. however,

the vietnamese paid a high price for their freedom. more than 1000000 vietnamese people became the victims of america in the dressers, the former italian prime minister, silvio berlusconi dies at the age of 86 and milan. the giant of a time politics passed away after being hospitalized last friday. but here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displays, people who have come from to surround the villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery. as over 60000, people are evacuated from western russian territories under relentless, ukrainian, artillery fire car seat visits, a refugee camp, and the bolt route region. when i left that as well, it was ready to collapse. we would have take it over. we would have got all that

oil a little bit right next, or donald trump openly claims the you. i should have taken venezuelan oil by forest back in 2019 as the u. s. claimed and stood for venezuelan freedom and democracy at the time. and the quote, washington is losing its position and credibility on the political arena for the majority of the world's population supporting russia. that's a coordinate to the author of the report on the north stream pipeline sabotage, the coming to live in the russian capital. this is archie international. i'm rachel evans here with the top stories of the our welcome to the program. former italian prime minister silvio berlusconi has passed away and the milan hospital at the age of 86 rushes president vladimir putin expressed his condolences noting that the

late prime minister will be remembered as a friend of moscow. the bill belichick. she was a politician of a european, or one might say, global scale. there are few such people in the international arena now. he was a great friend of our nation and did a lot to establish business and friendly relations between russia and the european states. he was an unusual person for a politician because he was very sincere and open. i want to express my sincere regret and condolences to the tale and people and all the relatives of mister berlusconi who interrupted him. bro scone was admitted to the hospital last week over serious health concerns. he has remembered as the longest serving prime minister of italy since world war 2. let's take a look back i his legacy, or worn and fascist. it's lee in 1936 silvio berlusconi said that he

remembered the horrors of war from a young age. perhaps that is what serve this is drive to become not only immediate tycoon, one of the richest men in italy, but also the longest serving its highland prime minister after world war 2. italy is the country i love here i have my roots, my hopes, my horizons here, i learned from my job as an owner, for premier or from my father and from life here i learned the passion for freedom . i tell you that we can, i tell you that we must build together for us and for our children, a new italian miracle multibillion. there are heading a european government. suppose also a 1st, but that's not all. he also owned one of the most famous football clubs in the world ac milan for 30 years. his other passion was singing, and not many people know that he actually cove rhodes, the teams, and some oddly enough, he named his conservative party for se talia,

which means go actually after trans used by ac, milan fans, and then of mentality to always last the last thing impression rights, charming, controversial. humorous, and never afraid to speak his mind. um, i guess he can like, is he gonna? that's paid, said one of the rooms that cool back obama movie supposed to be mean instead of using the name on, on the order says his level of women was perhaps as the tories as his law for vladimir putin much was written about their so called pro man, and so for the decades in western mainstream media, and he always hopes that he could bring washington into the mix. when i was in government in 2001 i said publicly that i wanted to end the cold war, which had been going on for 50 years and was a terrible anguish. i was successful because here in rome, in 2002,

i convinced george bush and vladimir putin using all my talents of friendly relations to ends of the cold war. that doesn't last long as we know, but the friendship between fruits and vegetables school need one from strength to strength. some said it was due to mutual business interests, but it seemed to go far beyond that. here there were in sardinia when they it's highland leader hosted fruits and at his villa in 2008. and this system in crimea in 2015, a controversial trip for western politician. as it came after. local residents voted overwhelmingly to reunify with russia. 87 percent of crime in citizens voted 93 percent voted to seed from ukraine, voted to b, and a ton of miss republic voted to become parts of the russian federation. you should see the love, the gratitude and the friendliness that welcome to pretend that didn't go down well

with western politicians, of course, but silvio berlusconi was not a man who cared about what others thoughts. and he never shied away from telling it like it is. he understood russia's points of view and slammed the wes, we're promoting the conflict in ukraine just this february. she was purch and washington to come to consensus and start threatening keith to cut off the weapon supplies in order to achieve an immediate cease fire. i would never have gone talking to the landscape because we're witnessing the devastation of his country and the slaughter of its soldiers and civilians. so i judge very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman. berlusconi is ridiculous accusations against the ukrainian president are an attempt to kiss pollutants hands which are covered in blood, up to the elbows a coach and was pushed by the russian population by his party, by his ministers to invent the special operation. the plan was for russian troops to enter in a week to replace the landscape of government with

a government of decent people. this is a man who entered politics in the early nineties and managed to serve 3 terms, despite being constantly charged with something that seems mainly tax evasion, of fraud tools. the most charges were dismissed, but he was eventually convicted of the tax fraud in 2014 and was even banned from running for office. as soon as the band was listed in 2018, however, he won a seats in the european parliament the following year, and he returns to the country senate. federalist gun was never wants to give up or stay away. i am the jesus christ of politics. i am a patient, the victim. i put up with everyone. i sacrifice myself for everyone. i have very good personal relations with mister, but a skate. i think that he's one of the great is your a pain politicians of today, despite his scandalous manner with women as a politician, he is of course,

one of the last mohicans of europe in politics. the passing of silvio berlusconi is a great loss not only for its sleep and european politics, but also for russia. as he was one of very few people in europe who not only respected, rushed his points of view, but was also trying to get others to understand. it truly is the end of any era. earlier my colleague peter scott discussed the legacy of silvio berlusconi with his former assistant. daria were volta, who was also the author of true for lo scone, a man businessman, politician. as the one that has been shop the here, given people the buyer kits, the people of the houses. i think that i believe all you realize is everybody realized that he was a and a he is being a great body to hold the teddy and you will be on the piece. as a man, he was a bit a pleasant person to to remain which it was liking it to be maurice because he was

a very sympathetic to every body and the was, it was the 2nd thing, every body i have been working with him. it for many years, even before for the success. and i do not remember any moments in which it the aggression to some quarter of maureen doses that was not doing well. his job. he was always trying to understand that to correct the he was very kind as it for the dish and i criticize the many times a month for some respect. so all the in chatham that 40 dixon, i think that the in the what the extension of the international politic his acosta and he has been a really perfect anytime he has been the bride. mean is that will be 2 hours. no secrets. obviously. that's a silvio. berlusconi was, was good friends with the russian president vladimir putin. they had a great personal friendship. why do you think that's so close?

was it purely political or business? oh, is that something deeper between them? well, i think that the most lead was really a human relationship, a human human, a friendship between the 2. i never had the opportunity of looking at them together by the anytime aids happened to me, to go with the motor without those, and both of their relationships. and i was aware that the friendship was a really a human, a csc of friendship. besides that, for sure. also for the 40 degrees or and they found that many things seemed we should, they were agreeing as may be something good. and we said they were mother on the percent that green by the i think that the, the human aspect. so was the most important in the other nations, even before to 46 the the city of done that's cause once again come under ukrainian showing according to reports, one woman has been killed with no.