a says about someone like came and should not be taken so seriously. so the good thing is, and in this country, the onto metacognition is measured. that's about 8 to 5 to 95 percent. and, and that for the, you know, the people don't get carried away, but by what they see in the west, the media. i see. so i guess then in recent years, he's somewhat fallen out of favor with the us. also, grace. he is pulling out of grace. yes, because you know what happened was she tongue and against the american plans of carving out dakota the strong and particularly in decays of the city. i am that he fell out of step with the americans. he wanted to get you the upside down. sorry, a he wanted to depose um the, the city and the the how

a l. i saw it. but then the americans didn't follow it. what they wanted to do well though it was the americans who got in, that'd be great. and creating a big mess in syria and all that. so basically, an indian, he came down to where he should be in the right at the beginning. okay. coming up next, we'll explore turkey's vital role in the ongoing conflict in ukraine. we'll discuss it when we return with dr. hass on know. so type a m o will be right back. the the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians

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the welcome back to the m o. i'm a know a chance turkeys position on the map puts this country on a tightrope with how to handle some of today's major issues. like getting rushing rain out of the conflict zone in the black sea to reach parts of the world. who need it most. the doctor has done, you know, is back with us professor some of those are the ones political successes as of late have revolved around his careful handling of the conflict in ukraine, most notably brokering the black sea grain deal and it's extension. now he's been merged as something of a deal broker in the region. how do you view are the ones for and policies thus far? and what do you expect to see in his 3rd term in the way of foreign policy? well 1st and i should point out that i was a critique office at handling on foreign policy. some i you know,

until 3 years ago. because indeed i was probably the most boss affairs critic among the academia and a because for about 10 years or so, he turned almost everyone in the region to gaze tactic because the policy he being pursuing was some sort of, um, uh, is la missed is pyre, ideal logically draven and uh too much is leaning on the united states and the europeans and, but have your and all this basic could backfire on this page. and i had been at predicting that this was going to be terribly costly for turk and for him and the administration, he basically net and i was proven right some, but i would say it was about 3 years ago or the twin

a hall prophecy. and basically he began to tie, drop his house in terms of reconsidering his spot of policy, and she did a wonderful job out of the mattress. he basically add the, made up with this, how these with united up image rates and then egypt and israel, you know, i so insistent on both agent and use that touchy should actually, and the makeup would because the congo on like this i said, and then he focused on syria. meanwhile, on the great new crisis, i certainly, he's still clear a ready, you know, a wonderful mead way policy, which is very much in line with talk these national interest. so basically, you remain in the tall. you talk to our native partners, but you don't get and you don't basically bed,

even if they get along with the onto the show sanctions or what have you. because there is no vote in nato, so you don't. you may express your criticism of sanctions or whatever you, but there's no vote. do you know the sanctions policy is not an institutionalized policy. okay. you'd say it's something like a legal volunteers. okay. of the collective west if you like. and so what talked you did talk a even in 2014, when it all show on next cried. yeah, it said no sanctions and no sanchez, policy protect it, you know, which was again, good old or iris, critical of turkey's overall foreign policy in those years. i backed that. so here and without joining the entourage of sanctions and at the same time, keeping all the lines of communications opened to moscow,

n 2 chips to what you do. basically you calculate best possible ties to moscow and you keep your statue. your position with jazz are quite sort of obviously like a tolerable and such. you have on the stand. so i'll be important to keep tucked on board. and in a den den you are the deal breaker. if you become a broker, basically, and he broke, he has broke. uh he's, he's done the green deal and he's also done several other deals. some of them went and we'd all mark publication, some something like exchange of what or prisoners of war, for instance, between jim in moscow and a now the russians understand the importance of tech. it's just one point to add um, touchy m a. even at the height of the cold war,

manage to cultivate good relations with the soviet union from $9.00 to $6.00, the full price up to $84.00 for about 2 decades. as you know, earning the confidence of moscow and a unit do a flushing economy through nations between the 2 nations and then m a talk it basically. they made a lot of heavy industrial investments at the time with 12 yet no haul and which soviet support general that. so it worked. wonderful. well, we'll do each remain in natal. so if we can do it, if it could do it at the time, we can do it in a much better rate this time. why not? because it is often rolled in turkey's interest. so the nato countries, some of them is sort of mumbled politics. you know, they may not like it,

but this is life i've told, and this is what multiply or do brings about and talk to is out to benefit all to auto multiply. and more broadly, as you alluded to, turkey out has walked a delicate line between balancing the east and the west. by most accounts where turkey sits on the map look entry is the gateway to europe on one side and to asia on the other. now as blocks such as bricks plus or the c s t o, the seo or even be your agent, economic union continue to grow. how well truck can navigate those while there's pressure from nato partners to turn away. um, i think at those pressures from need to could well be counted by tacket, polite the m, and through a diplomatic ways means and the western world. in general,

we have to understand that turkey a is going to be one of the, one of in terms of its foreign policy formulation. and it's for them, policy exist sizes and is going to be a unique country or one of the unique countries in the world. you know, multiple or well door to the, you know, as a unit is when you plot it to is gone and multiply or d as the most. um, now we are in a new situation in which i'm the tuck it edits your graphic dictates is going to remain in nato. and you know, quite uh, friendly with nato partners and allies and what have you. but at the same time, i would think it is getting to the resort to each need, talk power more for that content, then not. okay. as we've seen it, which is sweet and lately. and so it is getting to, because after all, it is the,

it has the 2nd largest armed forces up to the united states with the nato. so i'd say it's a powerful country in military times, within nato and joe graphic. it makes it more powerful and more important because it is a country, a medium size, medium sized country, which can project poverty more than one region. so. so, and all that combined means that turkey is going to remain at the top. but at the same time, it is going to cultivate best possible ties due to other centers of world china, for instance, the belton wrote and instructive the tucker, quote, late date to talk, you talk a role is it has evolved into a international organization. so they enjoy turkey and you know, they get together

a country like either by john who has leaned over to talk j over the 2 decades has anybody to it's at occupied territories. so it's a sign of strength. and at the same time and is a, is indicative for what they should be doing. i'm or i shot again has become a very good partner. it is not only economy and trade, but we have a very good and uh, deals with the russians over the nuclear power plant. and a photo mall took in russia. have set up some sort of a how shall i say? i'm the consultation mechanism over political matters at region wide, which is, which has been working quite well over syria, over libya, over other problems. and at the same time, there is being at both joining military relationship between touch and russia and

in, in, in future i won't take long perhaps eh, for talk and russia to co produce modern technology weapons. because chuck has become, has, has an actual, i say, a took a has eh, turkish at defense industry. he's also coming up. it has come up to the goose, cutting edge technology, weapons, and things. and the russians do appreciate that. now i gotta have one more thing about nato, what trove are the one to the accession of finland into nato and where does that leave suite? and will it ever happen for sweden? well, it is difficult to say yes or no with the a indicates of feeling den suite and the, the, and the a did, did the hawks a veto poverty targeted your to, to was because of the large numbers of, of p k,

k and sympathizers and terrorist and they're affiliated institutions and organizations freely operating in both in both countries initially. and that was old for swedish deals with the empty tray because of short of syria. that is why p g is a p y d and all that, you know, and all those groups. and then it transpired that there is very few of them in sentiment, but most data, most dual painting in sweden. and then the previous swedish government promised to cut off all dead ties to the p j j. and the city and its city an offshoot p y d and all that it had been financially backing that. but there are quite a number of the p k. k, a, m a p k, a unit,

p j k. sometimes there's one to kentucky by to talk to each low and get our append to also settle groups. you know, dates had to like to learn organization who carried out about that at cool in 2016 and, and at a touch of finland and sweden. so i, and up time memorandum by which sweden m still buttoned. promise to, to, to, to cut off all day relations with them. and they also, the problem is to somehow eliminate that is not the eliminate may not be the right word, but you know, to, to do something proper to satisfy turkey. about those living in about those 10 or suspects, living in sweden, but they are not taking the proper steps that tech

has been asking for. um, so that is why i took is cleared funeral and uh out of the deal. and then said, okay, pin number can come a can go in, but not sweet and onto the page. be a 2 day at home. okay. and then at the level those 10, our suspects to talk to you should be good system. they haven't done so and we wait to, we'd have to wait and see what happens. there is also the american side to do whole story because the americans had not been selling that at the latest model of f sixteens to talking. it's a complicated story. they fight in administration by the name subs h edible on he's a, he's the guy that in the country out here as an ink cartridge about to call fob. and, you know, the story is quite complicated in the us congress. the was the dominant

play games at tar cheapest to so it's a type required. so onto talk to each tone over the years because of turkish, the category 2, ties between talk and israel. and now things are a bit better at because of multiply it even by the sense that those through the us congress and says, you know, if we have to sell them to the talk to because 30 said important need to ally and all that. i'm a have to gain weight and wait and see, but meanwhile touchy is making it's on tight to play. it is going to be on a par with s $35.00 technology. so that is also a something interesting because on the one hand, they're not selling us the sort of a military accurate when we bond. but at the same time we make it back to the russian or what they. ready want to sell us and if this is being distorted

over the last 40 years or so, dr. hass on you know, thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. you can follow doctor, you know, on his twitter at house on, you know, 1920, thank you so much. thank you. thank you. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi. the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila. chad, thanks for tuning in. we'll see you again. next time to figure out the m. o. the solutions may be able to turn to atrocities in other countries,

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the, the, the headlines at all the international young mother was killed and her child, the son injured as a result of ukraine shelling of tone. yes, accusing nato, supplied with fullness. how the employment assist, silvio berlusconi dice? of the age of 86. in milan, jillions of autonomy and politics passed away also being hospitalized last friday. trying to box, we can expand the stains with the blood with judy mis phones and clothes for charges. we things to us describing it as a hassle. and a political decision brings toms and millions of people. those are the words of an

easier seen official in response to the suspension of a joint to us un food, a program to the state, the it's a pm, hey, in the russian capital. and this is all to international with the latest news update from across the globe. very well continued ukrainian shilling of the city of thorn. yes. because left a woman dead and had a child wounded according to reports, key of forces from bonds of an area near a railway station telling the 20 year old mother and enjoying touch to hear well the child, the shelling allegedly came from a native supplied rocket launcher system of dismissal fragments and now being analyzed by russia's investigative committee, no information on any of the potential casualties as the relief the western in russian region of belgrade that was also targeted by at least 12 artillery shells 5 by ukrainian forces over the weekend. and so as, according to local officials,

a residential building in a town of should be i can, any of the voted was among those hits, leaving destruction in flames. and this window sha said hardly ever. 60000 people are being evacuated to shelters across the area to shape those reports from one of the refugees senses. from here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displays. people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands of salt refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge humanitarian operation. people are getting psychological health, food and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only what something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on what are essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size and the scale of the assistance that people

are getting on most i'm, although there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in vance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people from the ship back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly,

sick to young babies, children, pregnant women, and an entire families. there's about 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting we house in other regions in areas this. the cynical assault on civilians, targeted civilians, honest, led to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by devali square of belgrade region, who's very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions, which is so for the taxes of a 200 people in this center alone. alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has fail, garage received as displays people? what's the total and possibly need you to a total of the past week. about 10000 default fellow countryman from cubic you know,

has the boss with temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large role into movement and which medical students including for and ones are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who've been displaced from ship beck and on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort there, a mobile clinic. so the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time, that to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible. it's through our students are very kind and they always like here to help people and it's not true or somebody say that we have even a lazy some of those. we have a shower,

refrigerator, t, v, iron, kettle, everything. the food is great. i think there is no panic here. everything has been organized very well in such a short space of time. volunteers bring food to the rooms of the girls. the students collect money for a to they ask what people need and then buy the products. there's also still a bright side to the story if you like. when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play. all the medical care is being met and you can use a small one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working also as psychotherapists about the human side of this conflict showing through the people one piece. they want to see people left in peace and truly that's what we should be talking about. but unfortunately, the western media piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the mosque

slips. now as we see, towns like your back, you know, in belgrade b, indiscriminately attacked with natal supplied weapons specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato, a sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask in, in the east of ukraine, a flush of residential out of my post and has ordered medals to service and wounded in military operations during his visit to the fishing epsky central military hospital. the president spoke to a number of russian soldiers who were under guarding medical treatment. was much on 55 russian defense from this association with due on the head of the hospital august alexander. yes, the polls the form, it's holly employment. if the silvio berlusconi has passed away in the amazon hospital at the age of 86, russian president vladimir putin expressed his condolences. noticing that the late witness that will be remembered as a friend of mosca, mill valley to she was

a politician of the european, or what might say global scale. there are few such people in the international arena now. she was a great friend of our nation and did a lot to establish business and friendly relations between russia and the european states. he was an unusual person for a politician because he was very sincere and open. i want to express my sincere regret and condolences to the tale and people and all the relatives of mister berlusconi who was admitted to the to hospital last week. i have a serious health concerns. it was the longest serving atanya employment assistance world war 2. let's take a look back at his legacy point and fascist. it's a 1936 silvio berlusconi said that he remembered the horrors of war from a young age. perhaps that is what serve this is drive to become not only immediate ty coon, one of the richest men in italy,

but also the longest serving. it's highly. i'm prime minister after world war 2 in italy use the country. i love here, i have my roots, my hopes, my horizons here, i learned my job as an end for premier or from my father and from life here i learned the passion for freedom. i tell you that we can, i tell you that we must build together for us and for our children, a new italian miracle multibillion. there are heading a european government. suppose also a 1st, but that's not all. he also own one of the most famous football clubs in the world ac milan for 30 years. his other passion was singing, and not many people know that he actually co rhodes the teams and some oddly enough, he named who's conservative party 4th se talia. which means go instantly after trans used by ac, milan fans a man of many talents who always left a lasting impression. writes charming, controversial humorous,

and never afraid to speak his mind. as he said, lucy, don't c or a k c cam. i guess you can. i get the gamma, that's paid data when i put it on that too. but i mean, these are used to be mean instead of using the name on, on up the says, his level of women was perhaps, as latoria as, as his lawful vladimir putin much was written about their so called romance over the decades in western mainstream media. and he always hopes that he could bring washington into the mix when i was in government in 2001 i said publicly that i wanted to end the cold war, which had been going on for 50 years and was a terrible anguish. i was successful because here in rome, in 2002, i convinced george bush and vladimir putin using all my talents of friendly relations. 2 ends of the cold war better than the last.