let's say 2 reasons. the 2 main reasons deputy are the 1st of all. would you believe that we can base our, our interaction? i need to this uh, mostly or entirely from the west and we come back to your question about the ideal a rash or was absolutely non ideological at that point. on the other side, euro, teens and americans came with the idea. yes. interaction and cooperation is, is fantastic. excellent. but before we start, let's, let's you should, uh, you should accept that our values, our set of, uh, no peaks or a set of perceptions is correct and do you need to adopt it? and then we can cooperate then. so, and this value base thinking, i would say this is ideal or just quoted, this ideological approach that has the rail, the lots because puts you in san to the opposite. let's start with interest. let's

start with our new concrete, the interconnection. and then we will see a rush, or we'll slowly move towards a more or less same uh, same uh, kind of a political system and so on. but this is our way, this is our decision. the lesson position was not the 1st you should change and then and 2nd, 2nd please, on which unfortunately turn to officer, determine no and faithful for our, our cooperation in a rush, i believed on which and believed historically and condemned burly, that the russia as a great power through additional great power has the right to have a sphere of influence to have a c or what are its interests are being respect that the some would say that mutually exclusive, those 2 but and also catherine. the great isn't here to talk about the fact that she too wanted to move it is also gonna be at westwards. give me. yeah. well

that's pretty good, but as specifics then right now. so the position we're in, it's clear, i'm putting your up to aside who i'd return to them as i can add to the blinking against us these 5. i mean, did it surprise you? how far they going to go to the end? it was a bar, as johnson sent to destroy the chinese piece plan for ukraine being sent to the lens. again saying look, this is a fight to the end regardless of nuclear weapon use. politically. i think that unfortunately, just now i have no chance for any kind of peace discussions, beat open discussions or even even discussions because we are in the middle of a, an extremely low cv or fierce battle. yes, indeed, both sides perceive it as a exist angel on the russian side,

if you ask anybody in the ruling group or even very many else citizens, ordinary citizens, they would say that after what happens and after what is happening now, the only goal of the west and ukraine is and this new amount in western hines, the only goal is to destroy russia is a great state ridge bower, completely. so in a way that the dresser will never recover. and this is, they believe here on the other side that seeing for united states, this is a very, actually really month and maybe a correct assessment that if you grade will be defeated, or at least if russia will achieve significant goals there, that will be a very serious blow joe, us, i mean, nation in the world and process threats which we see already now that other

countries start to look around and don't to accept to us the promise anymore. this process will be kind of like like, uh, like a levine. so that's what i, what i uh think is this situation now, which means that there is no compromise, one side should when and this is the situation right now. feel the kind of, i'll stop you that more from the editor in chief of rusher and global affairs and chairman of the presidium of the russian council on foreign and defense policy. after this break the, [000:00:00;00]

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[000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of russia in global defense. if you're doing the council, we'll, the speed of the multi polarity, of course, is a major issue. russia obviously wanted to quicker, sooner rather than later you were talking about what some might see is regions early in the even g. a, this is optimism, is russia and rationally to game making the same mistake because the other one is being re elected. what does he do send, took his troops to kosovo, to reinforce nato in uh, against the population that we've seen. um, we've seen him presumably making

a difference to have sweden back in nato. so be, is that like, is that the router which, what ready to send that munition, to the lensky in the, in the bowl from the balkans, lula neutral saudi arabia neutral, avowedly, why not all these different powers? okay. they're not supporting the west in your about in the united states. the minority of nations is on voice by population low to the un general assembly. but is there a not even the here about the speed of the bricks? hedge a monic power it uh, no, i wouldn't call it and i have it. yeah. and more than that, to use a brick said you, monique power, you know, that's, that's the very western view that if one hedge him on the, is being the, uh, the, the, the post from the position of them. and now they have gym on should come multiple the heads up on both of them. yeah. but multiple available as a morning, flowers, not the gym. and so you know that this, this is the question and more than that,

it's my personal view. i don't really represent anybody here, but i think that even multiple are a to, in the sense which we saw it before. and that was a to, for the to put it bluntly. how did we imagine multi polarity is a then you have a single, 15 years ago when we expired, that something block a european costs to, to, for school programs at the powers. imagine essentially not the 100 among, but say, 3 or 46 countries. i'm not sure that you had on our well that because of what followed. that was will one and we'll do it to exist. exactly. exactly. that's what i say. what the, what i'm trying to say that we imagined multi polarity because we, we have, we have no other other power or low. so we imagines like this. but what do we see now is actually a multiple lot of the in the sounds that he g, my, me or dummy nation is not available anymore. even the united states understand that

. and then we have a more and more players, more and more countries which has something to see. some of them are very big, like china, like russia, like india. some of them are uh, less the middle sized countries like sort of key we should mention, like saudi arabia. some of them are very tiny countries, like, uh, for instance, kept are. but old, those countries, they have some influence on what is going on in the world. there's absolutely new situation. we could, we couldn't imagine say 2025 plus 2 or 3 years ago. that's that gun. 3 insides of copped are, would be, uh, should be. uh, should be regarded as a player and then this is what is coming. and in this, in this big picture, what do you said about serbia, about turkey,

about other countries? that's a new, that's a new normal. it's because every country is trying to survive. and every country is trying to pursue its own national interest, and this is normal. rationally, it's trying to do that. but everybody else as well, what we, what we is, what we are leaving. i mean this, the rules based order. and so that this is a situation when everybody should do what is has being prescribed by somebody. now it's solar and this, this is in your situation. now, turkey, it is sending people to cool. so tomorrow to get is helping crush and to, to settle some very important issues the day after tomorrow to work he works with. i don't know whom with the for arms about something that's, that's a normal thing. you know, and this is actually what we saw in the history of international relations for 4

centuries. so the period after the 2nd world war was actually got an exemption. nothing wrong as well. site ground shared course, who invented that hedge a monic government. the global working class was the instrument. so that's kind of multi polar. but where is the well, your viewing, which it goes, ironically is the kind the world pronounced from, from the us state department. but clearly, i think anyone in the world will realize that that was a, that's a, that's a p r stunt that the, the us use. but the point is that why you want this lovely will do it much. there are assassinations in moscow in saint petersburg as a drone attack on the kremlin blink and talking about a strategic failure for russia. as i don't even know whether russia even understands that they certainly have a 1340 can on the board with finland to guard against nato, sheffield. and of course, as, as to nature, the other day, i mean, was rush or even guarding the know and stream from attack. that's why the single

mainstream media in nature, nation was talked about imminent demise of russia. you know, the, the period, the time when uh when, when we leave. now that's an absolutely exceptional moment in history. okay. not exceptional. such moments happen. but not so no, so frequently. so no, it's not each generation leaves through something like this. when the whole world system is drifting, could barks and changing, transforming into something completely different in this regard, changes so they are bigger then changes. so 2 plus years ago and community as a collapsed because uh bipolar system disappeared. but is the additional framework of international relations the,

the remainder of the time and survived on to until recently. now it is collapsing. and if we look through this land still do it through or through to this prison, then of course, such kinds of changes cannot be easy, cannot be quick as cannot be painless. so why, why does the ross shops we prepare for such kind of scale? you know, uh, what do we uh, predict and imagine this kind of uh, uh, collapse. so the previous set up a relationship? no. oh, i was told you a was disappointed with how things have gone. yes. put 14. is it pull edition how he can, how he can say to the whole public that he was disappointed. he is a, he's a leader of the nation. he has no rights to, to be disappointed. it's actually so that i, i, it's easier for, for me, i can,

i can analyze or the slightly more know, openly. so, and you know what you, you ask and you, you quote, this assessment that rushes in in decline and the mice at the end of the day, again, we started with the saying that we are now at the war need a big war, high breakthrough or whatever how you call it the proxy war, but this is a big war between the russia and the west. uh, and this war, uh, fortunately is not yet is not the direct collision. but we are moving towards the, unfortunately, and easily teasing more. why should we expect? is to move a continuation of the things which we go to go to used to. of course it's impossible. so the problem with me, for example, and my colleagues a year and a half ago,

when basically when almost all of us failed to predict what was coming was very, very, very simple. we, we underestimate that the scale of changes would stop in the world, not just between the russian. ukraine, will russians, united states. this is, it was process we on the risk and method that, and that's why it'd be cool. no, beginning of the special military operation costs as by surprise. now we understand this scale, and unfortunately we need to, we need to accept this scale will be extremely traumatic for all of us. yeah, presumably it's not cold war by the rest of the government in special military operations, because if the russians really wanted to take your grand tomorrow, they'd use that croft and mass casualties and that would be a war let's get onto west and your ever then because if i was telling you, is it blinking nickel district, things a strategic plan, even roger is the you from your vantage point and you talk to ceo's, i've seen you and val,

the st. petersburg is coming up. you've spoken to all these. what's available, as far as you can see, is that you, you bankrupting itself a gemini, now in recession. we don't know how much poverty we'll kill people in western europe because jeremy's, the powerhouse or of the economy in europe let alone how many died because of node stream because of the cold and the higher energy prices and the fluctuating energy prices in your so i'm not qualified to, to assess the economic pool is the sofa germany or other european countries. so i thing that uh, actually we here in the russia all the rest, the made sense or on the rest, the method. the resilience of your vehicle on them is in the same way as the west underestimate that the reserves or russian to go on. but what is important that i think it's, it's not my view is the view of mr bar l, for example. who said the speed shop for a year ago or so talking to the,

to european diplomats, i know the representative. so if you're being union will wipe, you said very clearly that to our, our prosperity, european for spare it to was based on 2 sources. cheap russian energy and cheap chinese labor. and that was a very successful model for you or for decades of the coming back to, to, or maybe 50 is or 60 simply 6 isn't seventy's. now in solar, you said, and that means that europe will need a completely new economic model. and this economic model will not be based on all those advantages it had before. a russian european energy relationship was fantastically good for both sides. unbelievably good. just very, very briefly, what is the st. petersburg the international become nomic for him?

because at globally, i don't think joseph morals is invited this year. what is of is starting from last year. it is more in inward looking is more re entered on towards domestic development despite this fact uh, there are some, uh, relatively many for and guess a mostly from so called friendly countries. non europe known us. but of course, for russia, as for the you, for your opinions that's time to talk to, olivia says they cannot make model and model of economic development. and i know that in the, or you'll moderating some of the born discussions they have here to or thank you. thank you very much. add that to for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode with a deal. then you can keep in touch my role as social media, give it to not sense that in your country and had to add general going on the

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words of an ethiopian official in response to the suspension of a joint to us you and suit a program to display the is 9 pm here in most go in. this is on the international with the latest news updates from across the globe. and very warm welcome to you. are you currently in shelling of the city of don't? yes, because left a woman dead into child wounded according to reports, key of forces. bon bonded an area and the railway station, killing the 20 year old mother and injuring her 2 year old child. a shilling allegedly came from a nato supplied locate zone to system and dismiss all fragments and now being analyzed by russia's investigative committee. no information on any of the potential terms of seasons being released. the western russian region of belgrade was also targeted fine. these 12 on tennessee shelves, 5 fi,

ukrainian forces over the weekend. the coatings and local officials and residential building in the town of should be, i can, any of the photo was among those hits, leaving the structure in flames. on this window, shots has come, when you have a 60000 people living, evacuated shelters across the area. and all teeth shape those reports from one of the rest of the g sentence. from here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displays, people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked while ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands of salt refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge humanitarian operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only about something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on what are essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size and the scale of the assistance that people are

getting all some of those. there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which to mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people from the ship back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here

to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly sick at the young babies, children, pregnant women, an entire families, there's about 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting we have as in other regions in areas this, the cynical assault on civilians targeted civilians on this led to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by devali square of belgrade region, who's very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions, which is so for the taxes of a 200 people. in this center alone, alexander takes very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has fail, garage received us displays people. what's the total of the prostate need you to a total of the past week? about 10000 default fellow countryman from cubic you know, has

a boss with temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large role into your movements and which medical students, including for and ones are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who've been displaced from ship beck and on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort their mobile clinics, and it must be said that the work of the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible. it's through about how our students are very kind and they always like here to help people and it's not true or somebody say that they're evil or lazy. those we have a shower,

refrigerator, t, v, iron kettles, everything that the food is great. i think there is no panic here. everything has been organized very well in such a short space of time volunteers bring food to the rooms of the girls. the students collect money for a through they ask what people need and then buy the products. there's also still a bright side to the story if you like. when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play. all the medical care is being met and you can use a small one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working also as psychotherapists about the human side of this conflict showing is true that people want peace. they want to see people left in peace and truly that's what we should be talking about. but unfortunately, the western media piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the mosque

slips. now, as we see, towns likes you back, you know, i've been drug be indiscriminately attacked with nato supplied weapons specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato, a sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask in, in the east of ukraine. over some president, vladimir putin has avoided meadows to service men wounded in military operations during his visit to the vision epsky central military hospital. the president spoke to a number of russian soldiers who were undergoing medical treatment was missed on signed by russian defense minister. so like i showed you on the head of the hospital that lives on that. yes, the, i don't need to tell you how important it is for the country in order for it to be

independent to strengthen. it's in order to protect the people in these territories . these are our people. they feel positive about people and it's our duty to protect them, which we are doing, which you are doing risk in your lives, the lives of you will come rates, risk in your health, which makes found the other way. so beloved julian sounds, it should not be the ones facing challenges as according to china's foreign ministry, spokes posted who onto the us is the one which should be held accountable. a guy so, so the sancha, expose the truth, but the heck i'm part of the respondents to the secrets from old congress indiscriminately entwined. it's best to decide it's crimes with other countries. you don't really get this kind of thing. it's equivalent of sitting beside somebody on the subway. there's going through the text messages and you look over and you kind of go off boring or in the us this case, you look over and you go, wow, that's a lot of skeletons in the closet, right? so that's what's happening here, and that's really why they're not big fans of what he likes. french national assembly falls to a few of the former friends of prime minister. he testified recently at the

commission for, for an interference into french affairs that the us listened in on him when he was prime minister of france and conversations he had with then president nichol. i saw who is it. and we also know that from which he weeks revelations is came out in 2015, as well as the fact that the us was using electronic spying on the german chancellor . a during angle americans mandates as well. so this is current news that, that we're hearing about and, and all of this has come kind of coming at the time when julia massages challenging his fate in the hands of the u. k. trying to extradite him to the us. i think it's important to underscore the julian. it sounds really isn't charged with hacking, primarily. so we're talking here about more or less in soliciting information which she's julian a sorry just to legend, to have done with former army intelligence analysts. chelsea manning who basically spilled a bunch of secrets and ultimately was i had there was part in there,

had their sentence commuted by former president brock. obama. julian massage is now facing extradition. so we have the person who tucked the information. freed from prison. julia massage is now in the hot seat. um, now there are some people who are really starting to speak out about this. some big names, a view as concern. the imminent possibility of the extradition of journalist julian assigned sondra has done an important job denouncing illegitimate actions by one state against another. his arrest go is against the defense of democracy and freedom of the press. it is important that we all mobilize in his defense. it's important to underscore that documents that we can weeks has revealed over the years relate to things that we never would've known about if it wasn't for with your x, for example, the secret us drones strikes and you, i'm in attacks on civilians that were alternately hushed off enough to understand