additional manpower and russia was simply not dead to hit the swamp. i would just simply slink away in defeat. that's the argument. but of course, you know, why should russia except this, i mean, the, you know, once, once you're in and you're fighting a deal, grades be hop in ukraine, russia will hit you and will extend the war. i mean, you know, is, was what's a fed target? well, publish and basis, bullish, logistics, the supply lines, everything will be affect game. and, you know, then it will be up to many, to what the volume rebecca to escalate. been using their argument is that, you know, this is a bi lateral, this is a by law so much it can say, well we're going to buy laterally bomb q. and they the argument tables in on itself, martin jump it because they're making a huge assumption, which is the booty went through that. and, and the reason why is because the track record on page and side has been very much

about the escalation. he's another risen to the bank is always back down because he knows what implications of the terrific dream discuss. i mean, it's a we possibly, i mean is it, i can hardly believe what i'm saying. oh, we actually possibly looking at the early stages of a nuclear war. i mean, this is where this is all heading. you know, when you, when you start talking about, could we even imagine the 3 of us a few months ago talking about troops on the ground in ukraine. you know, when i was talking about british and american soldiers and it had been inevitably arriving there was recently about low numbers and probably cover. so this is being that i think is, makes a lot of sense. and if we did have publish false is what is the waning and sources in the you can bet your bottom dollar the british. so yes, numbers would, would rock it would go. right. so because a british of probably being the most gun hope of old western nations, even more than america in terms of what we're actually doing on the ground and lead to so you know, we, we are getting into a very, very dangerous situation of escalation where we assume the parents in no escalates

if we escalate, but i don't think we can, we can, we can bank on that. i think now the, now it's, if it's turning now to, you know, there are many american mainstream journalists now who are actually being and submit that the russia is stuck now to is no longer relevant if ever was, you know, and that you practice taking huge losses on the battlefield and if we all gonna make any difference in ukraine, you know, we, we need to do something much, much, much bigger on a much bigger scale. and i think that's really what nato is, is, is negotiating and working out. now. ready it's with it some hooks on the eastern side of europe and his stubs in terms of france and germany who don't want escalation. they didn't want to. ready ready war with nature to, you know, the language just turn into tactical strikes. that's what i'm hearing. a lot tactical strikes was very, very dangerous. you know, i mean, and where does that, what does that take binding leading out to, to the elections. you know, tells you going to explain this to, to votes is when the that the, the economy in america is going to start to turn all the expos pointing this out to,

you know, binds, got quite good. takes us to the 6 of them. i'm only flesh when inflation is just one aspect of an economy. there are many, many of the facts is where, you know, it's looking as though the americans cloud, financially around the world, is fluidly and in a demise. you know, and i'm going to, the election is bite and then i have to stand by these is both bellicose groundwater statement and that is people made at the beginning, you know, we need to teach the rest of the lessons. we need to get them so hard, but they'll never do this again in ukraine or other countries. you know how you get out the impacts that how you back pedal alpha very, very difficult. so the wrench that we always talk about on the show is turning in one direction only and you know, as crazy as not as it sounds. you know, we are looking now attached to a strength we are looking now. implants are generally, it's a choice of nature, has to be judge about 45 seconds before we go to the breaks, but from the russian perspective, they are at war with nato. so, i mean, i don't know what need to,

what kind of game they're playing in their head. they're not making any leopard tags. ok. i mean, you know, they're, they're not, you claim in tags. ok. i mean, again, this is just kind of a discursive playground that the nato is playing 30 seconds, but we're going to the body. exactly. i mean, if the terence has failed to deter, uh, nate, so from essentially getting involved in the war against russia using ukraine is a proxy to 5 russia. then by the same token, degeren's will fail to, to russia in striking nature. i mean, a basic original thing is like, what do we have to lose? nato is already waging a war against us. that, you know, basically all bets are off. yeah, this is a but we should never actually, we should, we should never get to the point. what do we have to lose? that is the place we cannot go. ok, gentleman, interesting here. when you go to a short break and after that short break, we'll continue. our discussion on nato status are to the

of the world across stuff. were all things are considered non funeral? now this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real notes. the okay, let's go back to martin america's. ringback one of the interesting things, the dilemma is one of the dilemma is the nato, as it is always very stubbornly and probably in eric and believes that, you know, we're going to go wherever we want to go. and, you know,

they the hell with the russians. okay. well we have had a brick wall. okay, of course you know, sweden and finland that is on the agenda. of course they want to get him to pores country in europe, moldova, god knows why whatever. okay. but they've hit a brick wall with, with ukraine. and if anyone has been paying attention, this is a critical, pivotal point for russia, but no under no circumstances that whatever form ukraine is, they will not be a member of nato. and the nato is kind of dug itself into a, a trap right here because someone is saying no to nature and they're not used to it more. yeah. and um, yeah, i think it's why, right? that's sort of the knowledge of this tons to, to, to the, to this level now where we're actually discussing the possibility of any of these countries from eastern europe coming in. i'm, you know, let's, let's look at it from a different perspective. i see i'm in a quite negative way. i think the 1st of all, you know, we're looking at a new data now which is divided. yes. it's like a can speak nature, you know,

and we know another full, like everything that night just um and you kind before, you know, you've looked and said, you know, this is not libya, this is not syria, this is the russian. so we have 5. so you, there is a huge display a month. and let's think what's happening now with these meetings, you know, with nights or leaders. i'm was so lensky becoming more and more aggressive. you know, i think we're reaching a point of admission that the approach as it was and it's been muscle, be underfunded, probably. and when we talk about $120.00, a $130000000000.00 of us money going into the. ready ukraine machine probably that was nowhere near enough. probably you have to look at 345 times that to have the kind of impact of ukrainians and the want. because i told me about penetrating that line and you know, no one has the secret. no one has the surplus spring offensive has become a summer offensive. you know, a, i don't, i don't know how you, you find 2 or 340-0000 soldiers with house. the only

one that's just the point, georgia, me, you're in hungry. i mean, i how many, you know, 100 and you're not a government official. so i'm just gonna ask your opinion, but how many home garret is going to join up for that project going into a good. i mean, i kind of remember history that, you know, last time you home, gary and troops were in the part of the world. it didn't work out too well. so then george. oh sorry, go fine. and i, so that's like a book. the point that uh, you know, victor or bon emphasizes only go sucked into world war 2 hungry, took part in the invasion of the soviet union as an ally of hip list and got the club the off the world war 2. and i threw in your, you know, the you, you 40 is the comment is i'm the, that's what you do. you know, if you start the war and you lose the war, you get club. and i mean that's an inevitability and it is, it's something that's out the it before. but. 3 makes clip be the it is an interesting issue though, that was what made it was now done is gone oil and was the,

let's get they all going to make some kind of a commitment. those are landscape. i mean, i don't think the villain is just go to the george or your keys in us. ok. i'm going to buy. what do you think it is going to be? well, i think that there's probably going to be something along the lines over across new since bloodline for coalition of the willing. i mean, if you know people want to help you brain, go, go right ahead and try and help doing the problem is that now the major has made an existing show map for it. so it comp just back away because if it backs away it's essentially admitting we lost. yeah, we didn't just lose. i mean we, we can lose that. i've got is non okay. we learn, you know, bunch of go to those. you know, that's fine. okay. we love this on the if the end of nato. what state exactly. when last, the russia, this isn't, you know, i'll bet no. wow, you know, this is the people that we've been hating for years and years. it really no decade . we lost democracies, have lost them, and you know,

the great divide do with democracy is the most offices that's gone. we'll talk this is a one major kind of flow to do that. and that when they don't just have to escalate, i mean, there's just, there's no way to back away because there isn't anyone in nato with it, with his actual vicar, or about who suggests things like this is, this is not nature. just have to sit down. you know, forget all this, all the, and just work something, something pragmatic out with russia just as we used to work something pragmatic out for the soviet union. but there's no one of the major prepared to do it. so they all in, and i don't see any uh, you know, willingness on how nato is bought. do a back down. well, we back to the more of the roses. i mean for democracy. i mean, i thought this was all about security. okay. so that is the discursive mistake, martin, the west is made, is to try to equate the to they have nothing to do with one another. and if you look at the rushes past year, it is all about it's security. it is never about politics in that sense. more. yeah,

i think it's just about the last couple of weeks i've been, it's been a very top here is of the media and coming these events, you know, and i wonder how much media's played. i look kind of ro is played in contributing to this, this capital moment. the way with this, you know, you know, this night. so the summit is asking to produce some sort of it in my view. it will, it will offers and let's get some sort of deal which was involved more match a hardware, but a lot, lot more unintelligent, sharing the parts. and then i understand, i mean, again, this is called the fog of war, media and propaganda. but i mean this, the, the, the warehouses are empty. okay. they're, they're ordering things to be the corporate not to ship to the main issue is a big problem. yeah, i mean, it may well be that there might be collect to cool around the world phones, america's friends, to look at the 2nd rates on the 3rd, 2nd, or 3rd generation equipment. and, you know, russian times so much in eighty's in morocco for example. um that that may will be

part of it. but i think, you know, what's worrying is, is although i am seeing a very, very slight shift from the narrative in america. you know, american jones are starting to pointing the finger on us, you know, slightly a so big questions. you know, we still have very, very, very unusual and would like to put you on the ground, which is really not helping. i mean it's absolutely incredible the protocol since for us to video on switzer. let's take some blue. absolutely. why is exploding? i'm not a fan of 10000. so why does explode? because yeah, unless i'm not asking those really, really basic questions or this guy is asking me we talked about the coup with them . you know, i mean, well, i would rather just himself, you know, is there somebody else that did the trans actually take pot shots of the time a couple of months earlier? yes. what's your 1st reported on this? why is that being adver us as a narrative? now where, you know, every media outlet in britain, america is especially when the thing that it rushes up to don't do it. we're not

going to look at anything else. russians did it, you know, but what i think is happening is that with the nature of summit with the time attack, i think, and james cleverly statement a couple weeks ago that the cranes have every right to hit russia within russia. i think what's happening is we are being something dog well being prepared for a new way of a new policy to allow us to. ready or in ukraine, and i think um, and of course of course people are going to vote on this gorge, right. this is, this is a popular war in, in the past. or is it a leak driven? explain what's going well as a very good web because because any time when the war implicitly is an issue of the voters vote against that, there is no popular mandate anywhere full of as well. and there is a reason why the alternative to deutschland potty is doing well and jeremy right of, you know, the germans of very, very, very wary of voting for any ranking. bought me this probably is obviously nothing

to do with knots isn't more any real, but the moment is that, oh, this is a fall, right? but it is a nationalized body. german is a very wary of this. nonetheless, essentially, this is an interesting georgia that it takes russia, it was before the soviet union, you know, to make people, you know, they would, that they would, um, would it be the injected into german politics and now we, you know, it's fighting russia and now the right, is be, you know, they're seeming, you know, these people going to be, are, say, it's interesting how it's kind of ships around it, but it's always, it's the point. russia, yes that's, i've tried so many, the ones who of the most barely goes about russia in germany is elaina bad luck. i mean it's, it's, it's the left. i mean it's the, the greens are absolutely insane. as all greens generally throughout your body, this is all very much of, you know, the, a project, all the left. i mean, the ones who somehow, i've identified russia as the enemy and that, that can be no backing now is all, but just not forbid to say

a rush as the enemy. but you know, we don't want to destroy the world. i because if you're already, yes, rush is the enemy and we're ready to go all the way. when would, you know is the like a list struck? yes, i'm ready to press the button. the do you know it was specify what are the conditions under which your, the press the button and you have an, a lead a bed, a box, a pass that changes position 360 bucks the people were dealing with. you're smart and be honest with more seriously, very interesting use. you said, you know, there might be a call for american allies with is 1800 base is around the world, you know, maybe pony. uh, some uh, additional equipment besides a very interesting message to the global south, particularly china is that, oh, you know, they, you know, it's a country like ukraine, but can stop the west, you know, and it's keels. i mean, that's a very interesting message. you're gonna have to sort of scrounging around. so the, the, that with the nato is it is not what we were told. okay. and it's, 1st of all,

it's divided and it's pretty short on supplies because i've always said, if russia was such a danger to nature countries, why didn't they spend more money on defense? they didn't learn because they never had much of spinning in a conflict like that. which was, which was true, or else the result is over such a long period. you know, the miscalculation at the beginning of this conflict was absolutely breathtaking. i think we're seeing that again now. i think this idea that now we think about troops into the country is, is, uh, these west, some of these have got together on the kids themselves. or if we do this next on, if she goes out for could that be then the, the capitalist switch jump starts, a new series of diplomacy from russell for china. that could well possibly be part of it. the other thing about backing out with george mentioned is that there is a timeline to this, and the timeline is 2020 for us selections. so that can be a point where the west can back out, because if america says, if the,

if bible says 2 months before ols that some, okay, we're going to pull out of your brain, and i'm going to spend a $120000000000.00. now i'm paula to which i think is what trump or a trump like counter will probably do that would be the stump of the pool. you know, at some point, you know, everything is off, all bets are off. so i think they, these are certain factors that we have to look at, but, you know, there's so much risk, so much experimentation, you know, don't bring less trust. and so if it got say, please, you know, i think there's enough muff, it's already sitting around the teach table of trying to work out the future careers and the next move, you know, i'm times the sped, isn't all martin, this is all about careers, you know, i mean, i was going to be the next head of natal. i may be from the u. k. now with the we need a woman from scandinavia. so what does this have to do with security? i keep asking that unfortunately, gentleman, this is not a pod gas, this is a program and we run out of time on a thing, my guess. in budapest and america shall i think of us. we're watching us here at

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latest news updates from across the globe. very welcome to the top story, the style ukranian showing that the city of don. yes, cuz left a woman dead and her child wounded according to reports k of forces from bonds in an area and the railway station killing the 20 year old mother and the injury her 2 year old child. the shelling allegedly came from a native supply and we'll get launch a system and it's fragments. and now being on the line spite rushes. investigative committee weston russian region of belgrade was also targeted by hundreds of voluntary re shows find, find ukrainian forces over the weekend as, according to local officials, a residential building. and that's how they should be going into the boat. it was among those hits, leaving the structure in flames. and this window shots to hold, and 60000 people are being evacuated to show it as a close to area tease shapers reports from one of the refugees. and i'm here in belgrade,

one of the assistance points for the displace people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands have sought refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge amount of terry in operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only what something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of these attacks by the ukrainian ministry on water essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size of the sky else of the assistance that people are getting almost i'm, although there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal

belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people from the ship back in a region, a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly, sick to young babies, children, pregnant women, and entire families. there's about 200 people here in the center. some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting re house in other regions in areas this. the cynical assault on

civilians targeted that civilians on this led to huge displacement of 10000 people . at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by the voice mer of belgrade region is very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions which has suffered a tax is about $200.00 people in this center alone. that alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has spelled garage received as displays people? what's the total drop of speed you need you to? it's over the past week about 10000 to fall. so concept in from cubic you know, has a bus route, temporary combination. facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large, rolled into your movement and which medical students, including foreign ones, are actively participating that. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who have

been displaced from should back in on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort their mobile clinics, and it must be said that the work of the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible. it's through our students are very kind and they always like here to help people and it's not true or somebody say that even or lazy. some of those we have a shower, refrigerator, t, v, iron, kettle, everything, the food is great. i think there is no panic here. everything has been organized very well in such a short space of time. volunteers bring food to the rooms of the girls. the students collect money for a to they ask what people need and then buy the products. there's also still

a bright side to the story if you like. when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play. all the medical care is being met and new to these are small. one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working. also a psycho therapist. it's about the human side of this conflict showing it's true that people want peace. they want to see people left in peace and truly that's what we should be talking about. but unfortunately, the western media piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the my slips now, as we see, towns like your back, you know, in belgrade b indiscriminately attacked with nato supplied weapons specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask. and in the east of ukraine,

russian president vladimir opposing has avoided meadows to service, been wounded in military operations during his visit to the efficiency of ski central military hospital. the president spoke to a number of russians, so to see what ongoing medical treatments it was my home signed by russian defense minister. so guy showed you on the head of the hospital, alexander, yes, a pulse of my food in praise, of military personnel for that. pray for me, i don't need to tell you how important it is for the country in order for it to be independent to strengthen it, in order to protect the people in these territories. these are our people. they feel positive are people, and it's on duty to protect them, which we're doing, which you are doing risk in your lives, the lives of your come rates, risk in your health today, russians outside of bracing the national holiday for the 1st time rush today as

being celebrated in the done yes clue, guns, coat, test on and stuff with all the regions that were incorporated into the russian federation following a referendum last year. the main festivities of taking place in the hearts of mosca web school, as will culminate in a firework display. we're going to try to bring you some live pictures when say start onto corresponding a, my h r reported from the celebrations of the russian capital. we are right now in the very heart of the russian capital, celebrating russia, 1699 liters. i've signed the declaration of the process they saw for in the points basically as the report it was one of the very 1st step of the dissolution of the new was to start. 1994 at this day became a public holiday, but it was not really why be celebrated until the early 2000. when the russian president vladimir putin had put a lot of effort to promote the holiday and celebrated, you may ask,

what do or their new russians do on this day? well, right now we are at one of the many concerts that are happening while the race and not only that, but their own walter events, culture festivals. and at the end of the day, there, there is them my own words happening throughout different cities across i know during the day, not only the ordinary people celebrate, but they also celebrate a prominent a permanent russian writers or sciences. and on this day, the russian president gives all wars to these people as well. now, all in all, this state is the promotional rate of b. it's evening of russian citizens and to show national pride which it makes found the whistle blower, julian, a song should not be the ones facing charges bass, according to china, is foreign ministry, spokes person who i do. but the us is the one which should be held accountable, a guy so, so the son should expose the truth about the heck, i imply that

a spine as to the secrets from old congress indiscriminately entwined. it's best to decide it's crimes with other countries. you don't really get this kind of thing. it's the equivalent of sitting beside somebody on the subway. there's going through the text messages and you look over and it kind of go off boring, or in the us this case, you look over and you go, wow, that's a lot of skeletons in the closet, right? so that's what's happening here. and that's really why they're not big fans. of wiki leaks, french national assembly falls to us, you know, the former french prime minister. he testified recently at the commission for, for an interference into french affairs that the us listened in on him when he was prime minister of france and conversations he had with then president nichol. i saw because it. and we also know that from which he weeks revelations is came out in 2015, as well as the fact that the us was using electronic spine on the german chancellor a during angle americans mandates as well. so this is current news that.