so this being said, i think this makes a lot of sense, and if we did have totally false is what is the weighting and forces in the you can bet your bottom dollar, the british s a s numbers. what would rock it would go? right. so because a british of probably being the most gun hope of old western nations, even more than america in terms of what we're actually doing on the ground and lead to so you know, we, we are getting into a very, very dangerous situation of escalation where we assume the person will not escalate if we escalate, but i don't think we can, we can, we can bank on that. i think now the, now it's, if it's turning now to, you know, there are many american mainstream journalists now who are actually being of submit that the russia is stuck now to is no longer relevant if it ever was, you know, i'm, the ukraine is taking huge losses on the battlefield and if we all are going to make any difference in ukraine, you know, we, we need to do something much, much, much bigger on a much bigger scale. and i think that's really what nato is, is, is negotiating and working out now with it's with it some hooks on the eastern side

of europe and his dogs in terms of, from some germany who don't want escalation. they didn't want to. ready a real war with nature or to, you know, the language, just turn it to tactical strikes. that's what i'm hearing. a lot tactical strikes. very, very dangerous. you know, i mean, and what is that, what does that take binding leading out to, to the elections. you know, that was you going to explain this to to votes is when the, the, the economy in america is going to stop tunnel. the explosive pointing this out. the you know, binds, got quite good dates as to the 6 of them. i'm only flesh when inflation is just one aspect of an economy. there are many, many other factors where, you know, it's looking as though the americans cloud, financially around the world, is slowly and in a demise. you know, and i'm going to, the election is bite, and then i have to stand by these bo bellicose groundwater statements that is, people made at the beginning, you know, we need to teach the rest of the less than we need to get them. so ha, the don't ever do this again in ukraine or other countries, you know how you get out a, are you on that? are you back pedal house?

it's a very, very difficult. so the wrench that we always talk about on the show is turning in one direction only. i'm, you know, as crazy as much as it sounds. now we are looking now attached to strikes. we are looking now to be paid. so definitely, it's a choice of nato's to be a judge about 45 seconds before we go to the right spot from the russian perspective. they are at war with nato. so, i mean, i don't know with nature what kind of game they're playing in their head. they're not making, i mean, leopard tags, ok, i mean people, they're, they're not, you claim in tags. ok. i mean, again, this is just kind of a discursive playground that the nato is playing 30 seconds is probably going to the body. exactly. i mean, if the terrance has failed to deter needs, so from essentially getting involved in the war against russia using ukraine is a proxy to 5 rush up. then by the same token, degeren's will fail to, to russia in striking nature. i mean, a basic original thing is like, what do we have to lose? nato is already waging a war against us. you know,

basically all bets are off. yeah, this is a position never. actually, we should, we should never get to the point. what do we have to lose? that is the place we cannot go. okay, gentlemen, going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on need to save is already the only going to be the water we just knew were the ones that are going to the country has this kind of situation. so in front of the vehicle, the, the, the engine or just that we're going to be a bulky but certainly the us 3500 of us in the

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the local mess across stuff where all things are considered. i'm funeral. now this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. the okay, let's go back to martin america's one of the interesting things. the dilemma is one of the dilemma is the nato has, it is always very stubbornly and probably in error again believes that, you know, we're going to go wherever we want to go. and, you know,

they help with the russians. okay. well we have had a brick wall. okay. of course you know sweden in billing that is on the agenda. of course they want to get him the pores, country in europe, moldova, god knows why whatever. okay. but they've hit a brick wall with, with ukraine. and if anyone has been paying attention, this is a critical, pivotal point for russia, but no under no circumstances. whatever form ukraine is. they will not be a member of nato. and the nato is kind of dug itself into a trap right here, because someone is saying no to nature and they're not used to it more. yeah. and um, you know, i think it's what i worry about another. now it's if there's tons to, to, to the, to this level now where we're actually discussing the possibility of any of these countries from eastern europe coming in. and, you know, let's, let's look at it from a different perspective. i see i'm in a quite negative way. i think the 1st of all, you know, we're looking at a new data now which is divided. yes. it's like a can speak nature, you know,

and we know don't know before like, everything that night just um and you kind before, you know, you booked and said, you know, this is not libya, this is not syria, this is the russian. so if i to you, there is a huge display a month. and i think what's happening now with these meetings, you know, with nights or leaders, i'm was so lensky and becoming more and more aggressive. you know, i think we're reaching a point of admission. that's the approach as it was. and it's been muscle, be underfunded, probably. and when we talk about $120.00 a $130000000000.00 of us money going into the whole ukraine machine, probably that was nowhere near enough. probably. you'd have to look at $34.00, or 5 times that to have the kind of impact of ukrainians and the want. because i told me about penetrating that line. and you know, no one has the secret. no one has the this of the spring offensive has become a summer offensive. you know, a, i don't, i don't know how you, you find 2 or 340-0000 soldiers with house. the only

one. let's just the point georgia, me, you're in hungry. i mean, i how many, you know, 100 and you're not a government official. so i'm just gonna ask your opinion, but how many homes here is going to join up for that project going into eclipse? honey. i kind of remember history that, you know, last time you home, gary and troops were in the part of the world. it didn't work out too well. so then george, well, that's a very good point. and i, so that's like a book. the point that uh, you know, victor or bon emphasizes hungry, got sucked into world war 2 hungry, took part in the invasion of the soviet union as an ally of pip list and got the club bed of the world war 2. and i to, in your, you know, the, you, you 40 is the comment is i'm so that's what you do. you know, if you start the war and you lose the war, you get club. and i mean, that's an inevitability and it is, it's something that's it for more by the next clip because it is an interesting issue though that was what made. it was now done is gone. oil in was the,

let's get they all going to make some kind of a commitment. there's a landscape. i mean, i don't think the villain is just go to the george or your keys and as a way to buy, what do you think it is going to be? well, i think that there's probably going to be something along the lines of the nuisance bloodline for coalition of the willing. i mean, if you know people want to help your brain go, go right ahead and try and help doing the problem is that now the major has made an existing, shall map for it. so it come just back away because if it backs away it's essentially admitting we lost. yeah, we didn't just lose. i mean we, we can lose that. i've got is non okay. we learn, you know, a bunch of go to those. you know, that's fine. okay. well, look, this on the if the end of nato space, i will also russia. this is the, i'll bet, no, wow, you know, this is the people that we've been hating for years and years. it really no decade . we lost democracies have loss. i mean, you know, the great,

the divide between democracy is the most offices that's gone. they will talk, this is a one major kind of full to do that then that when they don't just have to escalate it. i mean, there's just, there's no way to back away because there isn't anyone in nato with it, with his actual vicar, or about who's suggesting, go, this is, this is not major. just have to sit down, you know, forget all this, all the and just work some, something pragmatic out with russia just as we used to work something pragmatic out with the soviet union. but there's no one in laser prepared to do it. so they all in, and i don't see any uh, you know, willingness on how nato is bought. do a back down on the way back to the more of the roses. i mean for democracy. i mean, i thought this was awful about security, okay. that is the discursive mistake, martin, the west is made, is to try to equate the to they have nothing to do with one another. and if you look at the rushes past year, it is all about it. security. it is never about politics. in that sense, more yeah,

i think it's just about the last couple of weeks of that it's been a very top here is for media and coming these events, you know, and i wonder how much media's played. the kind of role is played in contributing to this, this capital moment. we went as, you know, you know, this night. so some, it is asking to produce some sort of in my view, it will, it will offers. let's get some sort of deal which was involved more met, she hardware, but a lot more unintelligent, sharing the part of something. i understand. i mean, again, this is called the fog of war, media and propaganda. but i mean this, the, the, the warehouses are empty. okay. they're, they're ordering things to be on the corporate, not just yet, but mainly, it's a big problem. yeah, i mean it may well be that there might be a collector cool around the world phones america's friends to look at the 2nd rates on 3rd, 2nd or 3rd generation equipment. and you know, russian times for like an ac is given morocco, for example. um that that might,

will be part of it. but i think, you know, it was worrying is, is, although i am seeing a very, very slight shift from the narrative in america. you know, american gentleman is starting to pointing the finger on us, you know, slightly as a big questions. you know, we still have a very, very, a very, very unusual and we'd like to put you on the ground, which is really not helping. i mean, it's absolutely incredible the protocol since 1st a video on switzer. let's take a blue actually explain why they split. i don't know if i don't have a 1000. so what does explode? because yeah, unless i'm not asking those really, really basic questions that this guy is asking you. we talked about the cool with them. you know, i mean, well, i would rather do us himself. you know, is there somebody else that did the trans actually take pot shots? of the time a couple of months ago. yes. what's your 1st reported on this? why is that being adver us as a narrative? now where, you know, every media of in britain america is especially when the thing that it rushes to

don't do it. we're not gonna look at anything else. russians did it, you know, but what i think is happening is that with the nature of summit with the time attack, i think, and james cleverly statement a couple of weeks ago that the cranes have every right to hit russia within russia . i think what's happening is we aren't being softened up well being prepared for a new way, a new policy to allow us to. ready or in ukraine, and i think um, and of course of course people are going to vote on this gorge, right. this is, this is a popular war and in the past, or is it a leak driven? explain what's going well as a very good web. it goes because any time when the war implicitly is an issue of the voters vote against that, there is no popular mandate anywhere full of as well. and there is a reason why the alternative to deutschland potty is doing well and jeremy right of, you know, the germans of very, very, very wary of voting for any ranking. bought me this probably is obviously nothing

to do with knots isn't more any rose, but the moment is that, oh this is a file right? but it is the nationalized body. german is a very wary of this level as essentially the interesting georgia to hit it takes russia, it was before the soviet union, you know, to make people, you know, that they would, that they would um, would it be the injected into german politics and now we you know, it's fighting russia and now the right is be, you know, they're sending, you know, these people going to be, are, say it's interesting how it's kind of ships around the, but always, it's the point. russia, yes that's, i've tried so many of the ones who was the most bellicose about russia in germany is alaina bad luck. i mean it's, it's, it's the left. i mean, it's the, the, the greens are absolutely insane. as all greens generally throughout your body, this is very much of, you know, the, a project, all the left. i mean, the ones who some out of identified russia as the enemy. and that, that can be no backing now is all, but just not forbid to say a rush is the enemy,

but you know, we don't want to destroy the world. i because if you're ready, yes, rush is the enemy and we're ready to go all the way we would. you know, it's like a list struck. yes. i'm ready to press the button out loud. even idea, you know, it was specify what are the conditions under which your, the press the button and you have an, a lead, a bed, a box, a foot and a half. that changes position 360 bucks the people were dealing with. you're smart and be honest with more seriously, very interesting use. you said, you know, there might be a call for american allies with this. what $800.00 base is around the world, you know, maybe pony. uh um some uh, additional equipment. what size? a very interesting message to the global south, particularly china is that, oh, you know, they, you know, it's a country like ukraine, the can stop the west, you know, and it's keels. i mean, that's a very interesting message if you could have this, like scrounging around. so the build that with the nato is it is not what we were

told. okay, and it's, 1st of all, it's divided and it's pretty short on supplies because i've always said, if russia was such a danger to nato countries, why didn't they spend more money on defense? they didn't learn because they never had much of spinning in a conflict like that, which was which was true. well, the result is over such a long period. you know, the miscalculation at the beginning of this conflict was absolutely breathtaking. i think we're seeing it again now. i think this idea that now we think about troops into the country is, is uh, these west, some of these have got together on the kids themselves. so if we do this next on, if she goes out for, could that be them? the, the capitalist switch jump starts a new series of diplomacy from russia or from china. that could well possibly be part of it. the other thing about backing out which george mentioned is that there is a timeline to this, and the timeline is 2020 for us selections. so that can be a point where the west can back out, because if america says if,

but if bible says 2 months before ols, that's um, okay, we're going to pull out the pricing, and i'm gonna spend a $120000000000.00 now. and policy, which i think is what trump or a trump like counter will probably do that would be the stump of the pool. you know, at some point, you know, everything is off oh, bets are off. so i think they, there is a certain factors that we have to look up, but you know, um there's so much risk. there's so much experimentation, you know, don't bring less trust. and so if it goes say, please, you know, i think there's enough month, it's already sitting around the peak table of trying to work out the future careers and the next move, you know, i'm times on the fed as an all martin. this is all about careers, you know, i mean i was going to be the next head of natal. i may be from the u. k. now, what do we need a woman from scandinavia? so what does this have to do with security? i keep asking that unfortunately, gentleman, this is not a pod gas, this is a program and we run out of time on a thing, my guess in budapest and america,

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the very will welcome this is on the international with the latest world news update is good to have you with us. the top story ukrainian showing of the city of don. yes, cuz left a woman in debt and at least 4 others wounded according to local officials, ukrainian forces. bon bonded an area near a railway station killing the 20 year old mother and wounding for us as the showing came from a multiple launch working system as fragments. and now being analyzed by russia's investigative committee, seized with long calls to report it from the scene. minutes of the incident. one woman who was skilled hands, the 3 people were wounded as the result of the ukrainian artillery attack. the woman's name was on this to see her mom is right now inside. it's very hard to come in town situations like these. the woman hand us to see how

she was in the store. when you create young shell, hit right next to the railway station and now the 3 people were wounded. they're not being treated at a hospital. can you remember how it all happened? did they timble? there was some kind of showing behind the station and it was loud. then it was quiet and in one second to everything was in smithereens. what's wrong with you? no attention shall wound. i've already been the hospital. they did an x ray, everything is fine. i just spoke with an associate as dads, and he said that he just buried his son who was fighting for the people's republic. and as he was, he was killed by ukrainian military defending a city of desk. this is a shell from

a multiple launch rockets systems fired here by ukranian nationalist. now this is not the center of the city. this is a key. if kid district, it's a very popular place among the locals. as you can see, there are many shops there, and of course there is a railway station there as well. some of the bus lines have been destroyed as well as i understand electricity is now down in this area. so it's not very safe to stay here as this area is constantly, ons are on boardman by ukrainian military. now you can see there is another guy showing us that he was wounded by, by a shell, but of course he didn't need treatments had a hospital. but as i'm talking right now, we can still hear shutting taking place on the outskirts of done that. now several districts of the city have come under fire on this day to remind call for emergency

donuts republic. the western russian region of belgrade was also targeted by hundreds of on tele, re, shows, fi ukrainian forces over the weekend, according to local officials, residential building of a time or so. back in, in the, the folder was among those hits, leaving the structure in flames. on this window, shots it on a 60000 people are being evacuated to shelters across the area, to shape those reports from one of the refugees. i'm. from here in belgrade, one of the assistance points for the displace people who have come from the surrounding villages that were recently attacked by ukrainian artillery and incursions by infiltration groups. as you can see, there are literally hundreds of people, thousands have sought refuge here in belgrade. it's a huge amount of terry in operation. people are getting psychological health, food, and the absolutely necessities for human existence. and it's only about something like this occurs and you see the scale of the impact of the,

the attacks by the plane, the military on what are essentially civilian targets. we've spoken to the mirror and he's outlined the size and the scale of the assistance that people are getting almost unable to. there were 3 large centers for the initial placement to residents from should be can. during the 1st day alone, we received accommodated and provided with food and medicine around 3 and a half 1000 people. however, many of them had obviously left the residential area without packing their personal belongings. so they were also in need of clothes and some hygiene essentials for that. for similar distribution points have been set up in the city, which you mandatory and aid supplied from all over the country. on behalf of the governor, we had been preparing in advance for various emergency scenarios. so we were able to deploy everything very quickly. while i'm here at the, at belgrade sports center, one of several that is currently housing displaced people as from the ship, back in a region at

a region recently attacked by ukraine. we've seen an immense effort here to provide care and assistance to a huge range of people from very elderly, sick to young babies, children, pregnant women and an entire families. there's about 200 people here in the center . some people have decided that they will not return to shit back, you know, and are getting re housed in other regions in areas is the cynical assault on civilians targeted that civilians misled to huge displacement of 10000 people. at least we know here in the belgrade region, i'm joined by the voice mer of belgrade region is very kindly agreed to talk to us about the situation in the city right now. they've received a lot of displaced people from, from the surrounding regions which is separate attacks. there's a 200 people in this center alone. alexander, thanks very much for talking to us. how many people altogether has fail garage

receive as displays people? what's the total drop us they need you to a total of the past week. about 10 thousands of all fellow countrymen from cubic, you know, has bus route, temporary accommodation facilities. this indeed, a unique situation in belgrade with a large, rolled into your movements and which medical students, including for and ones are actively participating. so we're here at the university of belgrade, where the students, local doctors and doctors from the region have come to assist the people who've been displaced from should back in on the surrounding villages. it's an incredible effort their mobile clinics, and it must be said that the work of the students here who are even spending their own money, their own time to come and help their fellow citizens and the people that they've never met before. it's really a remarkable thing to witness. the situation is horrible. it's true, but our students are very kind and they always like here to help people

and it's not true or somebody say that we have even more lazy. those we have a shower, refrigerator, t, v, iron, kettle, everything. the food is great. i think there is no panic here. everything has been organized very well in such a short space of time. volunteers bring food to the rooms. the girls, the students collect money for a to they ask what people need and then buy the products. there's also still a bright side to the story if you like. when facilities like these mobile units are brought into play. all the medical care is being met and you'd see these are small, one is that people have been evacuated here are clearly in need of help. long conversations and consolation so many doctors are here working also as psychotherapists about the human side of this conflict showing through the people one piece. they want to see people left in peace and it and surely that's what we

should be talking about. but unfortunately, the western media piece is not even mentioned anymore. i suppose it's the mosque slips. now as we see, towns like your back, you know, in belgrade b indiscriminately attacked with nato supplied weapons. specifically targeting civilians. the same behavior that has been denied by ukrainian military and their nato, a sponsors for 10 years and, and don't ask in, in the east of ukraine. the russians have been celebrating the national holiday for the 1st time russia day was celebrated in the don't. yes, click downloads kills song. and so for those, the regions that were incorporated into the russian federation following a referendum lost in the main festivities, took place in the house of moscow red square as culminated with a fine. what display of the correspondence le reported from the celebrations in the capital, we are right now in the very heart of the russian capital,

celebrated russia. 16. 1919 liters. i've signed a declaration of russian states suffering the points basically as the report in russia and was one of the very 1st step of the dissolution of you was to start a 1994 at this day became a public holiday. but it was not really why these celebrated until the early 2000, when the russian president put in, put a lot of effort to promote the holiday and celebrated, you may as well do or their new russian do on this day. well, right now we are at one of the many concerts that are happening for their rates. and not only that, but there are alter event festival during the day. not only the ordinary people celebrate, but they also celebrate a prominent a permanent russian writers or sciences. and on this day the russian president gets all wars to these people.