especially when applied against the western target has a new russia ukraine conflict brought about a revolution in terms of the way drones are used on the battlefield. if you're a military professional in the world today, and you are not studying how both ukraine and russia have used drones, then you're wrong. you know, we live in a day and age where drones are now going to become part of the concept of maneuver . you will no longer just talk about your air power, your fire support to maneuver elements, drones, and become a technology that you know is involved in all 3. it provides a long range recognizance. it provides target designation capabilities. it provides weapons delivery platforms. it becomes a weapon itself. it can be used for electronic warfare for jamming. and if you're not incorporating every aspect of drones into the total spectrum of warfare being waged and the enemy will have an advantage, because i can guarantee this,

they're looking at it. they're adapting to it. there won't be a modern army down the road. it isn't incorporating drone technology in a meaningful way and to their overall concept of operations. and they will be looking at the russian ukraine conflict as the case study upon which they draw the lessons that they're being used to, to build their, their own capabilities. and how much more advanced control and technology get. well, most warfare conducted in the future be and as well, what's interesting we say unmanned vehicles. the key aspect of that is that we're not putting a pilot at risk, but we are a that's the nature of jerome warfare. one of the most dangerous jobs on the battlefield today is to be a german operator because you, in order to operate the drone, you have to have connectivity to that drone. that connectivity will at some point in time involving ariel link that can be detected and traced back in,

targeted by the enemy. and so much of the advantages that are had by not putting a pilot in the plane directly into planes. so therefore you can take the drone into areas that you wouldn't risk a pilot. the pilot is still on the ground and the power is very much at risk, especially in the tac toe standpoint, where you have people near the ford edge of the battle area to who can be struck by artillery you know. but then the other thing is if you have a signal, the signal could be intercepted signal to be jammed um, one way us to take a look at the, the american drawer that was called the beast of condo, har, i think it was the r q 1791 says i don't have the number exactly, but it was a self drawn. iranians watched to take off and land from the american military installation and conduct our afghanistan, intercepting the, the satellite link that was used to control aircraft. and when the ground control that kind of hard passed it off to the, to the operational controller,

who was based out of nevada. you know, the ronnie is detected that hand over figure it out, intercepted and when the drone of you did some covert recognizance over western you're on the earth eastern, you're on the iranians intercepted it to control the drone and landed it and got their own technology. i bring this up to point out, that is good as drone technology is, there's a counter, the enemies developing counters right now. the people who are the soldiers on the ground. i have drunk guns that are used to jam the signals. just drop the signals, take control the drones capture the drones. so i think we need to be careful about saying that drones are going to become, you know, that, that, that's the future of words like any weapon. you know, you, you have to weapon, you learn to use the weapon, you incorporate the weapon, but like every other weapon, it has a counter. there are pluses and minuses and using this weapon. and i think the drones will have a, a major c on the battle for,

but nothing in the end changes the reality that you have to have a boot on the ground in order to claim the ground. a drone cannot capture territory of infantry captures, territory armor captures territory, but a drone doesn't capture territory. are there more or less casualties? and these drone proxy wars than in traditional warfare depends how you use the drugs. um, i mean, if you're, if you're a, if you're, if you're carrying out targeted assassination using a, a, a drone. and i mean, what are you comparing to to, cuz it's a different kind of war. uh, it's not like uh, you know, the time size, the saltado heavily fortified complex. so there's going to be significant casualties in that. you're going to suffer dozens, if not, you know, hundreds of casualties trying to take down to something of that nature. um, you know, targeted assassination by drone is only about killing one person, maybe

a couple, but you're not, it's not large scale warfare. however, if in support of that battalion, the salt on a $45.00 position, you have a drone overhead that is designated targets for artillery fire and they're helping increase the accuracy and therefore the authority of artillery fire. then, you know, you're, you've, you've done it, the drone is a tool and it depends how you use the tool and into what effect when it, you know, when you, when you're dealing with, with this, uh, you know, the idea of, of the salary. so let me, let me just say that the modern battlefield is extraordinarily lee for a general canolli, the american commander of forces in europe. the supreme allied commander for nato in europe. recently set in a defense form and sweep that the level of violence that's taking place in your trade was unimaginable by nato unimaginable by nato. that means that you know this, this military alliance, since i stood simply preparing for large scale ground combat. europe had no clue

what the reality of large they'll grow, large, killed, ground, combat you're looked like. and as a result of the, the can't wrap their heads around. the fact that you lose tens of thousands of men deal with in a very short period of time. so you know, the reality of the motor battlefield is extraordinary, least so i think drones make it even more leaf a. thank you so much. god bless, please stick around. scott ritter will be joining us right here after the break. and when we come back, nations have found a way to fight modern wars crafting cheaper, but more reliable drones will have more after the break, the can there ever be a lasting peace and ukraine and europe as long as keeps back? there is only one continued conflict,

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of drones, other nations have found ways around the tv to which is a turkish made aircraft from the bay car corporation with a cheap, widely available drone that changed how smaller nations fight modern wars they car turn to technology is readily available on the commercial market to make the tv to from a mix of domestically made parts source from international commercial markets. there is a g p s, receiver made by trimble, a modem from bias that a garmin navigation radio, etc. now while the us reaper drone costs $28000000.00, the tv to only cost about $5000000.00. and the tv too has shown up in complex in as or by john libya. you feel you and now ukraine. this is the 1st mass produced strong system that medium in smaller states can get

a hold of and it is capable of coordinating long range attacks or releasing laser guided bombs on target. the same d g. i'm not a quad copiers of videographers and youtube is used for fill me. have also now been deployed in conflicts and ukraine. other d g. i drones have been spotted and serious since 2013. and they have been modified to drop grenades and bombs. and finally have the or rainy and maybe sha had $136.00 trunk which are self detonating drones. that only cost around $20000.00 because they're so cheap, intercepting them with a more expensive missile in cars, a cost to the defender. and these commie cause a drones have been used by russia and are difficult to shoot down when sent in large numbers. that in respond to us has been sending the switch load time because they drowned t a crane to use and attacks. the drones have been used in afghanistan and iraq and are small enough to fit in a backpack. and our launch from the to is why is the target area and usually is

camera. the soldier can easily detect a lock on the target. while they're light in portable, they aren't exactly powerful basically the equivalent of a handful of 40 millimeter grenades that you can throw 10 miles away. con, because they drones are becoming more popular and modern warfare replacing missiles and multiple missions. they're also use more than normal military drones firing one switch blade would cost around $4000.00 while firing one javelin anti tank missile would cost around $78000.00. because these drones are so cheap, they're disposable. which means that the switch ways can carry a warhead and drop it, and not have to worry about making back a return flight. comparing this to the tv to or the re for drawing which costs over $30000000.00 losing a switchblade. it's not a big deal. and for more let's bring in again, scott ritter,

a former united states marine corps intelligence officer and author. or now scott or harry, a lot about hypersonic missiles being used by russia and that china has develop hypersonic technology as well. so what exactly is a hypersonic missile and how does it differ from the intercontinental ballistic missile, for example, or regular cruise missile? the key aspect to the hypersonic missile of survive ability um by traveling at the speeds that they do, they confound an enemy's ability to detect a track and then put a weapon system on them to shoot them down. you know, so basically the russian hypersonic missiles that are being used in uh, in ukraine cannot be shut down. that means that a fresher fires one is going to hit its target. and this is a disconcerting for any potential enemy, how much especially disconcerting for the ukrainians who have to know that every

time one of these kids on this one says fire to the targeted saving that is going to go up in smoke. the chinese have developed similar technology and it's a, has the ability to overwhelm us. air defense is both to enter in terms of on ships and on the ground in this means that the china wants to sink and us aircraft carriers going to sink the us aircraft carrier. if it wants to hit an american air base, it's going to hit that air base and there's no defense system for it. so that's, that's the advantages for that. it's a double edged sword though, because of united states has busy tried to develop its own hypersonic, a weapons, and we've had some success on some systems with wrench insert version of the kids. so our air delivered system has not been working. we just did a test recently and it failed. so it's difficult technology and sometimes the united states seeks to squeeze too much or push too much into

a given design. and when the, at the end of the day, the less is better, i mean, the russian design is very simple, very elegant, very effective, and it's being unemployed. the united states seeks to put too many bells and whistles on its toys, and they don't work but tight, you know, hypersonic a capability, especially when you add maneuvering that the and so coming at high speed, but now it's maneuvering. so there's no predictability and it's track, makes it impossible for the air defenses, at least at this point in time, to, to attract him to target them and to shoot them down. well, hypersonic missiles become like this type of suicide drone technology we're seeing on the battlefield in the sense that they will become cheap for even poor nations to develop and use the most weapon systems is um, they're pretty expensive when they 1st come out. but eventually, you know, once you just especially start mass producing them, you can get the cost down. and as we become more experienced in this technology,

you know, things that are, are cutting edge just become 2nd nature. and yes, at some point in time, this technology will make it down to nations and otherwise cannot afford this technology. right now, it's a cutting it to cutting edge technology that i think those nations possess and it what to retain the advantage of the cruise by having that weapon system, especially if your opponent doesn't have it. but at some point in time is this world starts to, you know, break up into various ideologically based factions, the us versus them mentality. we'll see that um there might be, there might be pressure to push the hypersonic technology down to proxy forces to use because of the risk. that's a crude when, for instance, the united states and russia fight directly. we don't want that. so we can't have a situation where us hypersonic and russian hypersonic are being fired each other

from, from, from, from the other side. but if russia is able to push hypersonic technology down to a proxy, and that technology is used against united states with united states does the same and uses the technology against russia. you know that, that makes the consequences of this less. so i, i do think in the future that there will be a trend towards getting at least some aspects of hypersonic technology down to proxy forces that can then use that against principles. like i said, either russian proxy against america, or an american proxy against russia will arrive and cheaper technologies level the playing field when it comes to the us military dominance. we seen the 20th century after world war 2 and even the earlier parts of the 21st century wars extraordinarily complex business. but at the end of the day, it's about killing people straight up. and so the question of whether or not the

playing field is level it depends on the answering to questions. what is your capacity to kill people? what's your capacity to absorb casualties? it doesn't matter what the about the specific technology on the bottom line is. if you can kill more people than they're willing to accept on the hill at the end of the day you went. if they killed more of your people than you're willing to accept, they went and drone technology be part of the killing factor. but um, no there's, there's just no way of a smaller nation at the end of the day will be able to be on a level playing field. even if you ron in the united states went, the more while we run has certain, you know, things that, that enhance their immediacy of their defense. and the fact is that the united states was to mobilize its total capability, non nuclear. we would be wrong because it becomes its war of attrition. all war comes down to attrition. so you know, the question is, what is the political cost?

can you run, make the political cost of war such that the united states would never seek to fully mobilize because there would be detrimental political price to pay at home. but i think that's, that's what we're looking at. but it's the end of the day the, the bigger nations can always have the advantage. thank you so much, scott. read or for joining us today. to unfortunately, military conflicts spring about the extremes and winners and losers. countries are faced with heavy casualties on both sides destruction of land, city and infrastructures, and losing all the progress that was made. now for decades, high and precision strike american aircraft some dominated warfare. however, the conflict and ukraine has changed everything, showing that low budget models made in china a ron or turkey are just as devastating their widespread usage has changed, how drone combat is waged and who can wage it. and while the tactical advantages

are clear, what is also sadly clear is that these weapons will take and increasingly horrible toll on civilian populations around the world. i'm christy, i. thanks for watching. i will see you right back here next time on the cost of everything the release of come to the russian states. never as tight as i phone in the most sense key and the best most i'll send send up the consumer must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the rush for the day and split the ortiz full, even our video agency,

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hello and welcome to the cross software. all things are considered, i'm peter level. can there ever be a lasting peace in ukraine and europe as long as keeps backers only want continued conflict? the west has the wrong priorities. it is looking to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. instead, peace will return when security is guaranteed for all the cross hockey and the search for peace. i'm joined by my guest, general, bali in big forth he's chairman of the stand up america, us foundation and rest. and we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst, and in cambridge we cross the doctor. the big pc is the founder of unit, which is

a defense intelligence organization based in the u. k. all right, across up roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. let's go to the general paul and big 4th. yeah, you're a military man. you know how wars start? you know how they're fox, and i'm sure you would agree with me more should never be fought if you can avoid it. but here we are. and where, what 1516 months into the conflict with no possible outcome on the horizon in your professional experience general. where do we go from here? well, peter said, ones that come from now, this is getting beyond the ridiculous to get the junior this and saying we're over there and you grade. last year reformed in international alliance solar patriots international lives. there really was a focus on co with the boosters and the vaccines and all that. but then we transitioned as we got to other uh, members uh throughout the basically your van down to australia. and so

we decided to re focus on the credit russian password and uh, we are now set in motion a piece of coverage to be held in the mediterranean in august with some 30 delegates. so we want to pull the people in influencers that embrace insanity in this conflict. and i think it's in the best interest model in ukraine and roger, but also the other countries that are involved. now in china, when you look around the entire world describe, flicked is really upset the entire a globe of the so to speak. so it's got it, and it's got to be assessed a okay, well let's, let's go to the doctor in cambridge, dr. the, the, the biggest problem i suppose in conflict resolution is the elements of trust. so obviously there is no trust here. you know, the history of the complex. if you have to look at decision makers in the kremlin,

they're going to say, well, we already tried negotiating with these people to minutes process. and apparently they were deceitful and they lied and it was a cover. okay, how do we over to overcome that barrier? and on top of that, when you have the president of the united states, you have the secretary of defense, basically saying fits was name change in russia that were interested in that as a copy hop that it's very difficult to get around as well. please. dr. in, in the cambridge you mentioned about you, right? i think it's a very just most zation for, for these options because it has to be, um, you know, opened a state to settlements. the quote was not in good faith. and that's for that time who's being used to actually be on top of forced against russia. and then we are seeing currently you know, the, the escalade just close for uh, for janice light on the ukrainians side. this is on the, on the, on the social media and on and on behalf of the of the leading people within

ukraine site. there's a very difficult bridge to cross, yet it can be done. you know, if you get the right people to gather and you get a dial going with the, with the, with the initiation of recognition of what the actual problem is. then there of course they can be you, they can be a resolution, but you've got to get the right people together. and that's the 1st pair. and, and, and it has to be done from, you know, as we do it or, or any other entity does it, you're going to get the right people to can, as opposed to, you know, michael, in my, my introduction, you know, the, i said that the west nato has the wrong priorities and the priority ought to be and we knew this, but december, before the conflict started, is security guarantees for all be in the visibility of security. it's not, or for an idea, by the way we that was uh, enshrined in helsinki in the 19 seventy's. what happened? how we gotten so far away from that because rushes proposals or demands or ultimate

or whatever you want to call december before. that is a point of departure as well. peter, thanks for having a d. n a and on this topic, particularly of that, what you, what you outline is absolutely correct. there wasn't just one agreement. there were half a dozen agreements on indivisibility overtime in the 9th, from the 19 nineties and into the 2 thousands that talked about indivisibility, which defined means you do not arm the west at the expense of the east. and when the cold war ended, nato actually grew and has in large 7 times. the warsaw pact, however, went away. now, as they, as you point out at mister fulton ward, the united states in december of $21.00 to 2021. that this was a threats to national security. this encroachments and he was ignored. he was poor

food. in fact, he was down. he was spoken down to which the russians field american since the notoriously done for years rather than treat them as an equal power and, and with and with respect that went away. and we saw that also with the nato and new south stolen bird groping around, looking for a new identity for nato itself, where it's a very existence until this episode happened. they had to create this episode in order for nato to continue. and i think it's, it's an institution that what at all costs must survive no matter what the, the, the cost is. yeah. well that's what we're saying. yeah. but michael, the, the failure of european security a, you, you put it at the door step of nato. this is make those fault, okay, that's it. and, and, and, and, and this, and this organization has to be the spanned, okay, we need to start all over again. i'm getting ahead of myself. let's go back to big for the, the way i look at it general is that there's only going to be a military solution to this. ok?

russia, it has incorporated regions of ukraine that it calls its own sovereignty right now . obviously cry me a is a, the red is the red lines right now. um, as much as any lake lady and gentlemen, i would, i would like to see a negotiated into it. i don't see it in the cards. explain to me how i'm not how i'm wrong general. well the history uh theater. it will be solved and just a better lie and i think is uh the ukrainians has suffered severe damage. and we have some anywhere from 12 to 15000000, the grains of already lost their country, gone to other countries. yeah, the be rebuilt and i know the russian see that. but the other going to protect to the eastern provinces are parties that are ration now. that sort of similarly shot their system or now let's proceed on to a restoration of both. what's been damaged in russia and great. and what about the insides are definitely,

but we see uh they to push this thing to the edge and ordinary by the footprint of the ceiling power and the pressure. and so you just sort of never happened saying lines were prevail and they were random. but uh, that's not the situation so real and so we think maybe and 60 days will be probably the right, the environments where association of possibilities. you know, and let's go back to our guest in cambridge and i've been thinking over the last few weeks, i've always, you know, because i'm a trained historian myself, you know, and, and i always think them as a how will few until historians look at this and then i, i caught myself thinking, i don't know if we're gonna need his story. and so i think we need psychologist because i don't understand the mindset. i mean, there's this, the, the rhetoric that it's coming out of care of. it's just, it, it really is pathological, i mean it's good, although you can't talk to these people, they want to kill as many russians as possible all over the world. i mean, they talk the language of genocide and their western backers are just saying,

you know, all that's with, that's who they are. i mean, this is a, so you have to, you know, one of the problems we have in this complex is that the west is not see the other side. i mean, steven cohen, the great steven cohen, always the say that try to understand from the other guys angle the west refuses to do that. go ahead. my friend in cambridge a. yes, and thank you for that. it's, it's, it's true. you know, i think you until people resolution. yes. uh so we've gone too far. so i understand that the main problem here. yes, it is an agent expansion to a cease. but then there is this whole mass through all that and you're nazis. this is not, it's not a small matter. yeah. they do something, something that has the that's on which russia actually cost assistance from the international parties several times and nothing was done so, and it's being documented by western media as well. so site is very well documented, it's well very well.