and then treat them as an equal power and, and with and with respect that went away. and we saw that also with the nato. and you saw stolen bird groping around looking for a new identity for nato itself. where is the very existence until this episode happened? they had to create this episode in order for nato to continue. and i think it's, it's an institution that what at all costs must survive no matter what the, the, the cost is. yeah. well that's what we're saying. yeah, but in michael the, the failure of european security a, you, you put it at the door step of nato. this is a coast fault. ok, that's it. and, and, and, and, and this, and this organization has to be the spanned, okay, we need to start all over again. i'm getting ahead of myself. let's go back to big for the, the way i look at it general is that there's only going to be a military solution to this. okay. russia, it has incorporated regions of ukraine that it calls its own sovereignty right now . obviously cry me a is a the red is the red lines right now. um,

as much as the lake lady and gentleman, i would, i would like to see and negotiate it in to it. i don't see it in the cards. i'm explain to me how i'm not how i'm wrong general. as well as the history of theater. it will be solved and just a better plan and i think is uh the ukrainians has suffered severe damage and we ask them anywhere from $12.00 to $15000000.00, the grains of already lost their country, gone to other countries. they have to be rebuilt and i know the russian see that, but bills are going to project at eastern provinces are part of the separation. now that sort of solely shot their station work. now let's proceed on to a restoration of both. what's been damaged in russia and ukraine? the insides are definitely, but we see uh they to push this thing to the edge and ordinary by the footprint of the ceiling power and the presidency. this would have never

happened. say lines were familial, and they were random. but uh, that's not the situation. so role and so we think maybe and 60 days will be probably the right, the environment for association of possibilities. you know, and let's go back to our guest in cambridge and i've been thinking over the last few weeks, i've always, you know, because i'm a trained historian myself, you know, and, and i always think of as a, how will future historians look at this? and then i, i caught myself thinking, i don't know if we're gonna need historians. i think we need psychologists because i don't understand the mindset. i mean, there's this, the, the rhetoric, but it's coming out of care of. it's just, it really is pathological. i mean, it's good, although you can't talk to these people, they want to kill as many russians as possible all over the world. i mean, they talk to the language of genocide and their western backers are just saying, you know, oh, that's with, that's who they are. i mean, this is a, so you have to, you know, one of the problems we have in this conflict is that the west is not see the other

side. i mean, steven cohen, the great steven cohen, always the say that try to understand from the other guys angle the west refuses to do that. go ahead. my friend in cambridge a. yes, and thank you for that. it's, it's, it's true. you know, i think your typical resolution yes. uh, so we've got to far as i understand that the main problem here. yes, it is an agent expansion to a cease. but then there is this whole mastery of buying your nazis. this is not, it's not a smooth matter. yeah. they do something, something that has the that's on which russia actually aust, assistance from the international parties several times and nothing was done so, and it's being documented by west media as well. so site is very ones. i've mentioned it's well very well. uh, you know, demonstrated that the, this is the biggest issue and today we're living at times where present news ended skiing sale. um are you move on uh, other people they are calling fulton jen site so. so for the resolution,

i think it's extremely important for the international community to recognize this at the central core of the content stairs. so and once you've got people talking with regards to real evidence as to what has been happening from 2014 on, was increasingly so in 2021 with whether sellable. chevy was done by us was increased by the if you all the and they would targeting has to be crushed into amenities and that led to these special entry operations. one of the biggest reasons for, for the assembled. so i think once the dial in the international community begins with this, there is no way to fight because you know, in the west we have to find the best we can get for them. you know, coming on from home from that was for tooth, right? i asked if people are really sensitive to that people do not. com and people do not want this, but they don't even know that there is a truck. so i think batcheirall it has to be, uh, you know, has the quote that has to disappear and come,

people need to really understand what really has been happening in, in, in, in john boss and in the eastern hall. it's a nice day. you're bringing up a very good point. let me go to michael real quickly before we go to the break here . the new york times article that came out a few days ago is one of the most embarrassing, shameful things i've ever seen in my life. they start out like there's a few incidents of, of nazi symbols and then the rest of the article makes it ubiquitous. 20 seconds before we go to the break, michael, go ahead. sure. yeah. that this has been long standing businesses. right? the, the, the, this, this was brought on, it was backed by neo nazi efforts and, and initiatives by the need. a cons within the united states to actually oppose the crew in, in ukraine, in 2014. and now we're seeing their influence was extending all the way into the united states to this day. so it's not surprising. yeah. why i called to you cleaning is ation of the west. but something that will be a topic of a separate program. we're going to go to a short break right now, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the search for peace. stay with our team,

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the welcome act across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to mind you were discussing the search for peace. the ok, let's go back to the big 4th general. you know, i agree with you said earlier in the program that you know all conflicts come to an end. yes, absolutely. um there are different variations and we can go our call history. but in the way you look at this conflict in the way we, again, it's unclear how it will end, but it will. and how will the world have changed then? because i don't see the sanctions being dropped against russia at all. i, i, i think they'd be economic relationship, but europe had, with russia will not come back. and that will affect europe, an immensely higher cost of living, probably the industrialization, poor,

sand of ling living. i mean, it's a really big changes going on right now. and an app that the russians had at 300 year flirtation with the west. that is over the okay. the, the west through the united states. britain to great extent does not want russia part of the european architecture of security. that's a big, big change and it has implications for africa, latin america, china, india, etc. go ahead general as well. the just for it is the change. they're completely here just in the 2 to 3 years. and i remember, i don't know whether you remember the 2017 lifeline. the foreign ministry set up the 1st meeting between the truck. uh now we have an election coming up next year. we're not sure what's gonna happen though. we have many brands in the united states, the default just for the new,

the new institutional connections. and that were, uh, the, what i call a your ration for the eastern alliance, all the schedule and our line very up to 40 bill control to 30 the gross national product the next year. so we have to look at this. we are looking at a weakening of the european nations of this massive america. we have these alignments, wireless, you know, i think that's what we have to focus on. and that's what the summer coverage will do with our delegates and talk about that. talking about the future, the robots on saturday and people that can really older countries can gather and be very, very important in the future of those countries. europe is looking at itself right now, new construction going on in germany and france in italy, and certainly within the united states in great britain. so it's just for what we have to focus on the future of theater. yeah, i, i agree. i mean, the, the multi polar world there are so many of us have during, for,

is actually being dropped into our laps. unfortunately, at the great loss of life in, in ukraine. it's dr. rich and, and again, in cambridge here, we had in the last new cycle we had of nato, spelt and burg, you're saying russia needs to be defeated because of china. i mean, this has something that there were 2 crane. i mean, this is extraordinary. what they're trying to do is we shuffle the chessboard and they keep losing pieces and went ahead to mon is or out on its luck. it lashes out, and that's what i worry a lot about. you know, it's talking about taiwan right now. i mean, how many complex do they want to get going here? it's extraordinary to be nice. why is that? i think we need psychologists now, not historians go ahead and cambridge you are apps did the right when 11 began limits as to what's happening right now. it's actually a, it's, it's really important is the optic front. so one, yeah, you know, that's,

that's one front, which is which not being discussed at the moment. but it's what it is, an adverb back with this conflict as well. so this is a conflict between east and west trying to get to bu, units of picked supremacy essentially. so, and you kind is just just a proxy time constraint. it's just um, just a way to, to initiate these conflicts on the power out and, and, and, and in all honesty, i think the world today is in the hands of the units. so you have no idea if i, i completely agree with you. i complete and then you have a president of the united states. it's out to lunch. okay. i mean, i know that my goal is to be, go to you. i mean, it looks like you have a little problem there with your picture, but your backend. that's good. um, i have a theory you worked in the belly of the beast, or is it because the donnell, because joe biden is out to lunch that people liked victoria knew and, and jake sullivan and anthony blake and have so much power. do you think that's

true? that's the problem. oh yeah, absolutely. the in fact, if it weren't for their push and the us pushed on europeans, this problem with your crew would not be existing today as far as i'm personally concerned. this does not, this what have never of happened. they have an agenda, as you pointed out, to isolate russia, contain it like a cold war or, and have redeemed change. that's our, that's our ultimate goal. excuse me. the, the, the other problem that i'm seeing here now is that where, where we're at the, the, the, the world has expanded over into a multi paula world. and that's probably for the good. but on the other hand, it's, it, you're going to see a tremendous change, not only in europe, but in the united states. this, as i said, this war would never have happened. now in recent days, they end up another development to get back into the how do we establish peace in this mess? the, the african nations now have come together some 7 of them,

including egypt. and the general is personal friends with the pro egypt, sion president llc, easy. they are going to be talking in, in, in coming days to zalesky, to put in. and while they're hitting the leadership, our job through the patriots international alliance combine, which includes unit from dr. beach is is to try to get a ground swell of popular support for, for to see spar to put pressure on our governments to achieve that. that goal. it's going to take time. yeah. like, well i'm the, i'm sorry michael, big and tucker carlson. did that to me, god, silence. okay. and fox news is trying to muscle him. i mean, if you speak up against the of the war party, they punish you. so i, i, i think you're right. i, i think your endeavor is admirable. i really do. and that's why, you know,

we will advertise that on this program and on this channel, but it's an uphill struggle. let me go back to the general and big for it here. it's, it's, it's quite patently obvious. it'd be us administrator position with the, the, the u. k shamefully following along is or maybe get, we don't know what their intent is to keep this one going on as long as possible. they have no intention of ending this thing any time soon. i, it might start to run out. but again, to focus on this, somebody conference, peter, you know, any, i've tried to like the stage of leadership is a structured takes funding. we want us to work for this and we have a location picked out for the summer. but it's very important and saying minds me sooner rather than later. and that's what we're focused on, get to bed on the and that, and as of, of the governors. they want to continue to purge and try and take the office and to change the regime. and rush,

it just goes in solar. so the chessboard remark showed that, but uh, the summer conference would be right back to browsers on zillow rules are, there are c mines that are attempting to bring a c far over there and stopped doing what that's fiction in, in, in cambridge, ohio, one of the things i really worry about is that, you know, when i think of, you know, i hear all these uh, conferences about rebuilding ukraine after the conflict and, you know, getting donors together and all of business, very reminiscent of afghanistan interact. and we all know how that ended up. ok, but what, what is really troubling is that because they, their concern really is not the ukraine. i'm not sure much of ukraine is going to be left when this is all over and, and, and on top of that, if the ending of this conflict, the complet can in militarily, but politically, it may not. they will have her revenge. and this ukraine, full of nazi, supported by nature of the nato, b, e u, in the united states. i can think of

a worse outcome than that, because these people will continue a guerrilla warfare the, you know, blowing up uh, pipelines, etc, etc. because i'm glad that you mentioned what you said earlier is because this is also a huge political problem. go ahead. yes, it is and done. and you know, you asked for a nature, it's not interested in seeking any to pronounce a resolution to the thank. and it's, it's pretty pat how you and it's like this. all right, any agent actually party county existing is complete. it hope this once with nesbit, isn't actually genuine copies of recognition that there is, there is now to use, uh, not to probably catch the best, who is really guessing the international community coming together as good people not, not know the crazy. if you want us, how good, good people who are seriously interested in resolving this and it has to be done to, to recognition so. so you get these hosts of entities and, and they are very good leaders around and,

and what really seriously interested in resolving them out to their, their presence and united states and then in, within nato countries themselves. so, you know, if you get these really genuine guys together, you know, and, and get to dial, avoid all actually recognizing that there is this problem. there has to be a resolution that has been a resolution for this. you know, we, history is that teacher. so a post world war 2, we know how, thanks for the results. and the biggest element is actually to be able to get the message out to the people. so once you have the support, you have to pay for it and the people in the rest will not support this. no right now we have a media that you need to back out in the west. so the common person here in bridge and i can tell you is not aware of the cold. yeah. so once, once they are aware of the problem, i can vouch for it, they would not stand for it. they would really take the government, take the defense department to task and, and, and really are simple answers. so i think we've got to overcome this media back

house and c h and, and that's kind of only be done gradually, honeywell. okay, now we're rapidly running on time. we have one minute left here. i'll give it to mike. oh, you know, you and i are children of the cold war. i would imagine the general as to it was the other guys that blacked everything out, they blocked everything. but now the west is that the west is now the land of censorship. i think you find that ironic sorted. why last 50 seconds go to you, my friend a yeah. let so much for democracy and. and that illusion that they try to perpetuate it doesn't exist even a year. i mean, you have r t blacked out in, in, in the u. k. for example, what nonsense throughout europe, this is not democracy. and, and, and americans, americans particularly have no clue on how 8 for 8 years. ukraine has been bombing, is showing the eastern part of ukraine that led to this crisis. they, they finally asked for help. and that's why rush, it had to take some initiative because of us getting to be too much,

especially then when they saw us and nato pylon coming, coming in 2 weeks after our disasters withdraw from the half gotta stand. well, i have you all 3 of you have convinced me that the end of this conflict will come about when people of good will come together and you certainly all 3 are. thank you very much. i want to thank my guess and big for the rest in and in cambridge. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. so you next time and remember across the top of the the we are in august on one of the most ethically and culturally diverse regions on the entire planet. as you make your way through, the start,

you will discover at each region is known for its own unique arts and traditions. the foot tanks are burning, including the leopards, their burden. and the 16 will also burn as well. there's no doubt. but if they are located, the bases are fraud and used in austin of dc. we also have to look at how to hit them. vladimir per, says, russia will consider all options, even if a 16 jets are based outside you cream. as he has counter offensive is failing, the russian president touches the phone a wide range of topics from economic success and cooperation to the situation on the front lines with the train. i forgot to refuse restroom reports of a large russian showing and t as by saying that no, it's half actually took place and the international atomic energy

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the global economy is being driven forward by states which resist external pressure and are guided by their national interest deepening their ties with moscow despite attempts of isolation. that's the last that's coming from the russian president during a speech of the plenary session of the st. petersburg, economic forum. or despite all the difficulties last year, we did not switch to the product of sales by installation. rather, we expanded contacts with reliable and responsible partners in those countries and regions that act as the drivers of the world economy. as of now, i would like to emphasize that these are the markets of the future, and everyone understands that full well vito's of these countries do not given to external pressure, which is often very presumptuous. they are guided, not by someone else is, but rather by the national interest and with the countries of this type. the volume of our bilateral trade has increased by dozens of percentage points. and sometimes

several files are they continue to grow and this has, he has another test so many to the fact that common sense of, of, of, of the business objectives market knows fast, strong guys on the economy, political climate. and that means, so the on site, the essentially mean colonial international system has cease to exist, whereas the multi product world order is getting have a strong this price is inevitable. but among other topics lot america was asked about reports that your friends counter offensive is making headway to which you respond to the claims do not correspond with reality. would you be to ask for the training counselor offensive in some places the premiums were able to reach the 1st line of defense or then all those they have not to recreate in? so i using the strategic reserves and these reserves are incentive to overcome our defenses. and they want to use this what the forces to solve home the in these

territories, to continue the offensive, but they haven't been successful in any area. and they're in the factories for suffering. have of loss is much higher than the washington army fall in terms of ministry equipments and do this every day. they are losing or equipment. i'm assuming talking about this and this and now what's most important just but they haven't been successful in any area. these people who don't use as for the head of the ukrainian state, who knows branded zalinski, a disgrace to all jews. and they claim that the neo nazi regime in t, i have left no other choice for moscow via the cube under which new they're in a, here's accomplices. they are the ones who are considered to be heroes of ukraine. today, they are those who 2 days ukraine authorities are defending or protecting both individually and they are in the all the jersey. how can we not fight against this? we have to fight against these rasa country, but suffered the most from this. we will never forgive this. how can we not fight

against? they said this is not neo nazis. and then why that is, we have the right to consider that our target digging that suffice crane is one of our key objectives to our, to is, you know, neil is hosting our exclusive coverage and has more details from the forum in st. petersburg the following day. here of the 4, i'm not coming at to a conclusion that part from the usual round table of discussions has been happening all week. the events main event, that is the plenary session with vladimir putin took center stage. he was there along with the l. julian, president at feeling a host of questions. oscar his speech in his initial speech has to be fits the st. petersburg international economic for and the economy was the focal point. early on saying about sanctions have only triggered a host of solutions and tightened russians. ties with the, the,

the rest of the world, the global sized in, at particular, but was open to partnerships with at all countries. if it's not on an equal footing . he also spoke to the russian population of large in his speech at seeing that 18.5 percent minimum wage increase will happen from next year. i noticed that there was record on employment as well on said that the roubles being increased in its usage internationally in trade to but then the question and answer session after that. and now this where we bring in at r t correspondent logs down the board to at, to talk at more on this high ups on that. indeed, one of the main use lines from the, the q and a, i think was the issue of, of tactical nuclear weapons being deployed in feller roost. yeah, that's actually, yeah. sort of a news ball show. uh, because uh,

we knew that the preparations for that were in going on. the pressure was building and facility in the bellows to place it's tactical nuclear weapons there. but what they didn't put inside that the 1st batch has already been delivered on, uh, the formal installment will be completed by the end of summer. and now the whole story is by the sessions, the moderator rather of the, of the sessions and interest on school wide way in the past is to be an informed, well, uh, adviser to president richard nixon. and he is a well known conservative. uh uh, i know, as in the united states and he was sort of pushing put in towards the uh, saying that the sooner or later rush or we'll have to do boy tactical nuclear weapons and put inside. no, for the time being, we have all the means to accomplishing our military objectives, and we are very wonderful all for not caring the world unnecessarily. he said that the force of the russian state, which is directly expressing google use old,

you know, means at our disposal to protect ourselves. but for the time being, russia has conventional weapons. and the after chief, it's uh, military objective at something else. i think that caught the attention of the, of the audience was that's all talking about at loving your zalinski things at quote how he had become a shame to his religion. not again was prompted by the moderator. another question on that. it appeared a quite a motional loving we're putting up that stage. yeah. well uh, you know, there's a cold questionnaire, especially in the what's the media, if a rush res, uh, using the new nazi uh the scores for performed in district purposes. um that is in session essentially in vantage. yes and narrative in order to grab your print entire time. he said, absolutely not. it is an emotional issue for him because his family was here in saint petersburg personally, lying right during the war. his father was on the front lines,

his older brother who was born and died before reading they're pushing was born, is buried here in london, driving and on him was grand. so he's somebody who is very attentive. i'm very much emotionally touched by the legacy of the, of russia in the 2nd world war. but he also so sad that yesterday, as he was preparing for this panel, he asked his age to prepare a video and prepare this uh footage about the uh, the damage done by the uh now to collaborators bund, delta, columbia writers during the 2nd world war. and it was pretty emotional, according to fulton that according to a number of historians out of 6000000 jews that were exterminated during the whole coast. 1.5 were killed by the base. uh, been data associated forces uh so called ukrainian liberation army. um they

what, what is very special to them and that was pretty yeah. other than the individual that was demonstrated during the form is this extreme cruelty said is pleasure that they took in may mean it not just killing they'll just killing for like face, you know, tactical purposes, but torturing killing, inventing new ways of bringing death to people and not just to combat and so most of the people that killed were, you know, children, the elderly women, etc. ramsey sat, the license inside that russia has to ride to being defending himself and the world against the you know, people who claim the legacy or all of those tortures. he said the reverberate today, essentially as well. taking up to the current a, he talked about the you create conflict as well, what one of the things that caught my eye at my partner phrase that he was absolutely.