as part of europe and we both lived and live in the same system of values in the same culture. speaking the same language, i've always felt comfortable with this, and i continued to feel the same with a soon as we can send you our exclusive coverage on the 26 and pages bugging to national economic for the well doing his uh, beside. and so you should be economic for minutes and pages, but it's not the way of posting sent a strong message to the west saying that if of 165 subjects, so send to ukraine. they will burn just like the gym and supplied left the tags. and the condition of january. so nato has been drawn into the war and ukraine. they supply heavy vehicles, the option of supplying it across these company being considered that tanks of funding, including the leopards they burning on the f. 16 we're also open as well. there is no doubts which if they are located, it faces

a broad and using hostilities. we will have to look at how to hit the ceiling and there was a serious danger of drawing nato. further into this conflict towards a federal, from a virginia state center to kind of which a block agrees that the $165.00 to judge will be shot down by russian forces unsafe . he's concerned over the consequences if are and basis. i used to attack russian troops. i do believe that the the jet will be shot down. i don't think that they will whilst i hope that american pilots will not be flying some of them. it's very dangerous because once this happens, then the question is, if you have jets flying out of ramstein air force base, if they're eps exchange and they fly from ramstein to attack into, into russia. so what does that mean? that it isn't, isn't brush,

you're almost oblige to attack ramstein air force base. this is a kind of trying to really worries serious observers of this war we, we have done things that were so rac less, including the sabotage of the norms north stream pipeline, the sinking of the flagship, the most goodbye in the black sea. things like this that are so enormously provocative and they risk the outbreak of a nuclear war. so i hope that we will not use the after 6 change if i had to guess, my guess would be that we will do so thousands of ukrainian soldiers have been killed with dozens of tags destroyed, including the german supplies left with tongues during caves. counts were offensive ukrainian of the west and officials of downplay the situation was made to achieve he had in store to beg, describing kid's loss is as planned. on the ukrainian precedence of the situation

was not too bad. long anticipated counter offensive. how's it going? that things look, look better set up, but i would say is generally because it was in south africa has announced a 10 point plan for settling the conflicts in ukraine underlining, but every aspect of it must be considered as and we do believe that this process for piece, much as it is complex requires that all the points must be put on the table. this war must be settled. and this should be peace through negotiations and diplomatic means south africa, responsive of why the african delegation, which is now in k of for talks with the countries presidents during the visits ukrainian officials accused russia of showing the capital with the west and media

losing no time to echo the same flames. meanwhile, the delegation simply shrugged off the allegations facing they never heard also a thing. i didn't see any explosion or hate an explosion. that's what we say. nowhere lived in the morning. a decision today? yes, we went to put you at an in the time we arrived and the time we went to put you, in fact, we did not witness any exclusion. the south african delegation, they brought a piece initiative to see if but that visit. it was mind by a whole array of incidents when they arrive to key of the officials that ukrainian officials, they announced that the south african delegation was indeed met by the whaling of a rate the sirens, the hopping, just over a quote and quote, massive russian missile attack put in builds confidence by launching the largest missile attack on t as in weeks. exactly,

a mid the visit of african leaders to our capital, russian missiles or a message to africa. russia once more war, not peace, the crate and officials they branded the today. suppose attack as one of the largest to date, but that attack certainly failed to impress the south africans because they did not account anything of the sort. in fact, they revealed that they were outright surprised when they were told to take shelter into the hotel. they posted a video that was short moments off to the legs, miss all attack, and no sirens can be had in that footage and that video. so they themselves out. they explicitly said they that they did not hear any explosions or sirens. but the western media, well, they decided to stick with the key of accounts of events that they called it a message to the south african delegation. and in general, they have tried to hype up this events that apparently did not happen to do as much

as possible. this really brings us to another incident, this delegation that we're talking about. it was cut short dramatically because see they were traveling via to ad croft and one, carrying the officials and another the security detail over a 100 people and john, the south african i'm just african. john listened that secondary croft. it was grounded in poland. apparently that was supposed to be the layover, but for the gods on the members of the press, it was turned out to be the final destination. and the jealous dave and african journalist, he described in great detail the sort of humiliation. some of the members, some of the passengers of the jets had to go through in poland, have listened. there was the struggle outside the windows and the police police were using. hello sir, this is this the bulk with us. we have at least

a 100 members of the security personnel. some of them special task force. the other members of the 50 s who was supposed to go. busy ahead of the president, ukraine and other center russia for pay for the efforts and fees commission. the opponents threatened to confiscate the width instead of being carried by this. yeah, they also stripped such a member of the presidential protection services. someone who holds a different. busy possible, that's a never happened before in all the years of several, by the as this is now a diplomatic drought. and at this point we are waiting for, i'm coming to you from our president and all minute stuff international relations. well, following this bombshell, poland tried to downplay the scale and the significance of the event. they said that, well, the security, the airport security there was simply trying to confiscate weapons from the south african security detail of the south african president himself. but again, that very much difference with the accounts that you just had from

a journalist who sold that with his own eyes. and in fact, this incident on this very fact, since uh, just bear in mind that all these people over a 100 people, they are still stranded, apparently in poland in hopes that they will be able to travel to russia next. because it is the, the 2nd leg of the journey of the south african delegation. and in fact, the south africans themselves. pre describe what happened in poland knowledge, the regrettable nature of that incidental officials are engaging with their postage come to us to resolve the impass. so that the p p s team is always the media can proceed to get you a new test bed, as well as to be able to cover at least that i shouldn't legs off the piece solves as well as both both, both the treatment. we do be deeply disturbed by the experience they've

gone through and we are engaging off what is come to us to see to each, to that situation. the keys are solved. now african nations are expected to share the peace plan with the officials in most school, but again, it is unclear as to what sorts of what sort of consequences that will be and how much weight is that piece plan will carry regardless of the results. and regardless of the outcome of their meet, you can most school because the international atomic energy agencies were coming from that mission. so these are, for those you, a nuclear plant was delayed to us, ukrainian forces broke a truce and shelf the area inspectors had to wait to come back to you training and control territory. a team led by rafael grove. c has determined that the safety situation of these on for those you a new kids have plans remain serious. this comes off the kid slide the on the to

helps go ahead them, which is nearby. res fit is about the power station security and a preliminary assessment. c i a, a teams included the rest of law providing cooling, voltage to the reactance is currently stable. they will also shown the in for structural damage caused by ukrainian showing that the side of ross awesome cool port advisor stated that it's impossible for most go to attack the station as the responsible for the site protection is obviously this, the russian hasn't showed at the power station, not from the station, nor has anyone turned the station into a military base. we've already been complying with such principles without any prior agreement and without any direction from the un visa, basic principles from which there can be no deviation. it is impossible to argue with the idea of the voice by mister grossi, so the cleaning of representatives have remained silent. again. we hear the same old song about me with the rise in the station. however, they refuse to understand that we are the pots are responsible for the sick. you

were to add the facility, and we are obliged to defend themselves against the cost of attacks from ukraine. the exactly as many russian forces as our need is to protect the nuclear power plant. all day long calls are of joined the same with the taking these off, but all she a nuclear power plants have thought best before. i asked her if 2 days delay russell, go see the general director of the i a a has finally arrived here at the supper road shit, nuclear power plants along with the rough l. grossey. another team of a i a, a monitors have arrived. they will spend some time here as well, and a role to age of with the team has been here for 3 months already. and we are not here talking about a treaty or a convention or a legal agreement. or do we have is say 5 basic basic goals don't attack the plant . so that back from the plant to make the plant and military bases don't it because the extent of power supply, etc,

etc. so these things are things that must be done. this is the costco reserve, or as you can see, the water level has dropped significantly. hands of this was the main concern for the safety, oldest upper ocean nuclear power plant. however, this reserve, or behind me, the water level level here is absolutely fine. if that's a normal level hand, this is the actual cooling pond that supplies water for this for this upper or you nuclear power plant. so i was able to see the quoting phones. i was able to see the contention and the retention dates, root canals and the list. we check posted to the system, which is indispensable for the courting function. so we can see, i would say there are 2 elements. basically, on the one hand, we can see that visitation is serious,

the consequences are there and they are real stuff at the same time that i majors, that's how i've been taken to stabilize the situation. now this facility is another part of this of our ocean nuclear power plant, but it's a little bit away from the plant itself. now this is a pumping station for a cooling form. so that is used for the spence, a few of the nuclear power station. as you can see, it is also constantly under shedding by the korean military see its full of shrapnel holes. now this is just a, one of the flights inside of the sprinkling basing. here this opera is unique, that power plant that was damaged by the american maids. and triple 7. uh, hold it sir. now russell, draw. see just the inspected uh this pipe and the he was assured that at the moment uh, all of the equipment that was damaged inside of these

a sprinkling basins were changed. and now there's absolutely no threat to the functioning of this particular basin. behind me are the 6 energy blocks. all these up are always you nuclear power plant. however, the plant itself at the moment is not fully operational due to constant bombardment of the ukrainian nationalist, according to the real south them. officials, these upper ocean nuclear power plants is now functioning at sets when seats a 30 percent capacity. moreover, the employees office plants are under constant psychological pressure from the ukranian authorities. also, as i've heard from the real thoughts, some officials, the art cyber threats constantly here as upper ocean nuclear power plants. apart from this cost and drawing a tax and artillery shedding, take place all the time. so there's always a threat. all the nuclear disaster from one call for a marty supper origin,

nuclear power plant. the o russians living in the west should be placed on the constant surveillance about clouds. citizens of a nation, which is leading a war of aggression. as, according to the check president to rotate, offers the cost of war. the russians living in the western countries should be monitored more than in the past because they are citizens of a nation that leads in aggressive war. i can be sorry for these people, but at the same time when we look back, when the 2nd world war started, old, japanese people in the united states, well under a strict monitoring regime as well, that simply the cost of war. during world war 2, japanese people living in the us were placed under the scrutiny of security services with the government forcing many of them to live in internment attempts that by violating the most essential constitutional rights president reagan late to

apologize for the detention on behalf of the us government squandering or payments of $20000.00 us dollars to each for my detaining wells. 9 my terminals, the german council full constitution on several of these days, the monitoring the russians living in the west coast gates e u u n. legislation. and they would say that this is comparing the present situation to the how low cost and actually is that would diminish the total cost. and i would strongly advise anybody to take that roads because it is actually not leaving any but because also what happened to the japanese citizens who lived in the united states and 1945. it was not an easy time, but it was certainly not right to put them under a general suspicion. so i would have expected big outrage at least and the rest on

media about is because it is absolutely wrong to put a general suspicion of, of papers just because of the nationality and irrespective of what products they may be involved in or not. but you know, you kind of upside because someone has a certain nationality, he or she is being subjected to, to such an investigation or a general suspicion to put beyond. so it just outrages about the check, the president said, and i would fund the rejected because that is not in line with the e. u. so any of the us me haven't the adults involved with united nations java a many times for your time to head on all the international web back in 30 minutes of next people eval on the latest edition of trust. the,

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[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to the cross software. all things are considered on peter level. can there ever be a lasting peace in ukraine and europe as long as keeps, backers only want continued conflict? the west has the wrong priorities. it is looking to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. instead, peace will return when security is guaranteed for all the cross hockey and the search for peace. i'm joined by my guest, general, bali in big forth. he's chairman of the stand up america, us foundation and rest, and we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst. and in cambridge, we cross the doctor. the big pc is the founder of unit, which is

a defense intelligence organization based in the u. k. all right, across up roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want me and i always appreciate it. let's go to the general paul and big 4th. yeah, you're a military man. you know how wars start? do you know how they're fox and i'm sure you would agree with me more should never be followed if you can avoid it. but here we are. and where, what 1516 months into the conflict with no possible outcome on the horizon in your professional experience general, where do we go from here? well, peter said mine johnson from now, this is getting beyond the ridiculous to get the junior this and saying, we're over there and you grade. last year reformed in international alliance solar patriots international lives. there really was a focus on co with the boosters and the vaccines and all that. but then we transitioned as we got to other uh,

members uh throughout the basically your van down to australia. and so we decided to re focus on the ukrainian or russian password, and we are now set in motion a piece of software to be held in the mediterranean in august with some 30 delegates. so we want to pull the people in influencers that embrace insanity in this conflict in las vegas in the best centers, not only ukraine and roger, but also the other countries that are involved. now in china, when you look around the entire world, this conflict is really upset. the entire move of the so to speak. so it's got it and it's got to be assessed a okay, well let's, let's go to the doctor in cambridge, dr. the, the, the biggest problem i suppose in conflict resolution is the elements of trust. so obviously there is no trust here. you know, the history of the complex. if you have the look at decision makers in the kremlin, they're going to say, well,

we already tried negotiating with these people to minutes process. and apparently they were deceitful and they live and it was a cover. okay, how do we over to overcome that barrier? and on top of that, when you have the president of the united states, you have the secretary of defense, basically saying it's was name change in russia that were interested in that as a copy hop that it's very difficult to get around as well. please. dr. in, in the cambridge a pen, do you mission about you right? i think it's a very different post ization for, for these options because it has to be um, you know, opened a state to settlements. the quote was not in good faith, and that's for that time who's being used to actually build top of force against russia. and then we are seeing currently you know, the, the escalade just close for uh, for janice light from the ukrainians side. this is on the, on the, on the social media and on and on behalf of the of the leading people within

ukraine site. there is a very difficult bridge to cross, yet it can be done. you know, if you get the right people to gather and you get a dial going with the, with the, with the initiation of recognition of what the actual problem is. then there of course they can be you, they can be a resolution, but we've got to get the right people together. and that's the 1st pair. and, and, and it has to be done from, you know, as we do it or, or any other entity does it, you're going to get the right people to can, as opposed to, you know, michael, in my, my introduction, you know, the, i said that the west nato has the wrong priorities and the priority ought to be and we knew this, the december before the conflict started, is security guarantees for all be in the visibility of security. it's not, or for an idea, by the way we that was uh, enshrined in helsinki in the 19 seventy's. what happened?

how we gotten so far away from that because rushes proposals are demands, or ultimate, or whatever you want to call december before. that is a point of departure. but peter, thanks for having a d n a and on this topic, particularly of that, what you, what you outlined is absolutely correct. there wasn't just one agreement. there were half a dozen agreements on indivisibility overtime in the night, from the 19 nineties and into the 2 thousands that talked about indivisibility, which defined means you do not arm the west at the expense of the east. and when the cold war ended, nato actually grew and has in large 7 times. the warsaw pact, however, went away. now, as they, as you point out at mr. potent ward, the united states in december of 21 to 2021. that this was a threats to national security. this encroachments and he was ignored. he was

preclude. in fact, he was down. he was spoken down to which the russians feel the american since then notoriously done for years, rather than treat them as an equal power. and with and with respect that went away . and we saw that also with the nato and, and you saw stolen bird groping around looking for a new identity for nato itself. where is the very existence until this episode happened. they had to create this episode in order for nato to continue. and i think it's, it's an institution that what at all costs must survive no matter what the, the, the cost is. yeah. well that's what we're see. i'm in michael. they, they the failure of european security a, you, you put it at the door step of nato. this is a coast vault. ok, that's it. and, and, and, and this, and this organization has to be the spanned, okay, we need to start all over again. i'm getting ahead of myself. let's go back to big for the, the way i look at it general is that there's only going to be

a military solution to this. okay. rush, it has incorporated regions of ukraine that it calls its own sovereignty right now . obviously cry me a is a the red as the red lines right now. um, as much as the lake lady and gentleman, i would, i would like to see and negotiate it in to it. i don't see it in the cards and explain to me how i'm not how i'm wrong general. well, the history uh theater. it will be solved in just a better line and i think is uh the ukrainians has suffered severe damage. and we have some anywhere from 12 to 15000000, the grains of already lost their country, gone to other countries. they have to be rebuilt. and i know the russian see that the other going to protect to the eastern provinces are part of the federal ration . now that for the solely shot their system or now let's proceed on to a restoration of both what's been damaged in russia and ukraine. the insides are

late, but we see uh they to push this thing to the edge and ordinary by the footprint of the ceiling power and the presidency, this would have never happened. say lines were prevail and they were random. but uh, that's not the situation. so role and so we think maybe and 60 days will be probably the right, the environments where association of possibilities. you know, and let's go back to our guest in cambridge and i've been thinking over the last few weeks, i've always, you know, because i'm a trained historian myself, you know, and, and i always think of as a, how will future historians look at this? and then i, i caught myself thinking, i don't know if we're gonna need his story. and so i think we need psychologist because i don't understand the mindset. i mean, there's this, the, the rhetoric that it's coming out of to events just it, it really is pathological, i mean, it's good, although you can't talk to these people, they want to kill as many russians as possible all over the world. i mean, they talk the language of genocide and their western backers are just saying,

you know, oh, that's with, that's who they are. i mean, this is a, so you have to, you know, one of the problems we have in this complex is that the west is not see the other side. i'm at steven cohen, the great steven cohen. always the say that try to understand from the other guys angle the west refuses to do that. go ahead. my friend in cambridge a. yes. and thank you for that. it's, it's, it's true. you know, i think you until people resolution. yes. so we've gone too far, so i understand that the main problem here. yes, it is major expansion to a cease. but then there is this whole mass through all that and you're nazis. this is not, it's not a small matter. yeah. they do something. something that has the that's on which russia actually aust, assistance from the international parties several times and nothing was done so, and it's being documented by western media as well. so site is very well documented . it's well very well, you know, demonstrated that the,

this is the biggest issue and today we're living at times where president 7 scheme sell um as an add on other people they are calling fulton gym site. so. so for the resolution, i think it's extremely important for the international community to recognize this at the central core of the conference. so, so and once you've got people talking with regards to really evidence as to what has been happening from 2014 onwards. increasingly, so in 2021 where, where the shipment will show me most on the bus was increased by the if you all the,