population ages its numbers get smaller and smaller. mm hm. that it doesn't look like that in china anymore. now you have relatively small numbers at the very top, a bulge in the middle, but then a narrowing base. and a lot of economists will say, exactly as, as you were mentioning, you know, oh my god, there's not going to be enough work or not going to be enough to support this aging population. uh, you know, the number of people over the retirement agent, you know, grows every year and it is, it gets going to be disproportionate in sort of classical economic terms. so there are, there are a lot of people, even in china who are expressing concern about yeah and, and i think the way, the way i was capturing that earlier is i was discussing, this is the, the very young are the working, the worker bees, the, the middle class are the ones who feed into the pensioners so that the pensioners can retire and the pensioners after working all of their lives and paying into the system themselves,

are now waiting for the government to help kind of take care of them. as most of us agree they kind of deserve to be taken care of. the problem is when one of those is in balance and you get too many on one and, and not enough on the other end. you get, you cannot make this harmony and, and i guess by the way, this is about a try. the problem is there is a great britain problem. this is an american problem. this is uh, franz problem. this is happening in almost every developed country is just it in china being the biggest economy and the fact that, you know, they've got a history that you're about to tell us about with the one child policy, etc, etc. it might be a little tough or go for them in again in class. if we can nomic terms. i think there's that there's a case that could be made for that argument. ok, but if you look next door to china and you look at japan, japan has had a stable and slightly declining population for 30 years now. and that hasn't led to economic collapse. if anything, what has led to is this is actuation,

where china or japan, the japanese economy functions more and more and more efficiently. and they're able to do more or maintain standards, even with fewer people coming into the workforce at, at the bottom level. how does the, how are they defying what we think is an economic template? well, i think they're defying it because they have different expectations. they have a culture that's different from that of, of the west. even though japan, you know, went through this great dramatic transformation in the late 19th and 20th century, is to reconfigure itself to be a modern capitalist economy and developed its economy and all that. their culture is still strongly shaped by confucian values by the traditions of east asian culture that are much more sort of communal, listed much more collectivistic and enjoying. of course, that's reinforced by the structures of a socialist state. the socialist state is capable of pursuing policies

that will address these issues, especially issues of wealth distribution in ways that, that in a capitalist economy, it's much more difficult uh to do. and i can uh, give an example of that. which is, you know, the, the, the, the, the problem as it's formulated here is that as, as you're taking later that, that, that a shrinking number of contributors to pension funds and things like that will lead to problems in this, in supporting a retirement population. a non working, the doctor population, we call it social security. they call it something else everywhere else, but it's eventually, it's the same thing, right? yeah, exactly, but it, but in china because it has the socialist core and it's economy and it's governance . they're able to put in place policies that, that are much more effective in terms of that that's or re distributive function. plus they're able to guide and this is what

a lot of what's happened in japan as well. they and they have been able to and they are certainly pursuing this quite, quite aggressively. they're able to direct investment resources towards enhancing labor productivity enhancing the, the well, reducing the amount of labor input necessary for an expanded product output, which means that fewer workers is working less time to produce more goods means that you don't need that constantly expanding base of labor and in a socialist economy, you don't want to generate what they call it. capitalist economy is what they sometimes called the reserve or army of labor unemployed. people whose presence in the economy puts downward pressure on wages in a socialist economy and china, they can move away from that and, and hopefully we'll be able to continue doing that in the future in ways that are

much more difficult for, for western economies. i'm going to, i'm going to stop you there for a moment because when we come back, i want to tackle 2 issues. one of them is obviously the effect that this go to have on the global economy because everybody seems to be wondering about that. and it's the conversations you're going to hear on the, you know, on cnbc, ease of the world, etc, etc. and there are there, i also want to know a little bit about the follow up to the immigration emigration story that is happening in china. so we'll talk about that when we come back with a professor, kind of having a new mexico state university. hey, by the way, i have a pod cast where i as a journalist as a latino, as an entrepreneur. jo, my story and share with you what i learned about how to succeed, how to grow. it's called the rick sanchez podcast, and i invite you to check it out. i'll see you there. when we come back though, let's talk about what happens to china's position globally. as

a result of this fertility situation, stay with us, the killer ever be a lasting peace and ukraine and europe as long as keeps backers only want continued conflict. the west has the wrong priorities. it is looking to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. instead, peace will return when security is guaranteed for all the willing. you have the ability to do, you know cranium. doria sunni or if i did, she ship a duck lean. i support the control room for 2 of us, so we fixed you get to move onto the system really being you have enough people not to sink divide so it's uh that's and that's what i see. mean. yeah, well we did the boom cloud. so it's actually it's streams uh,

fox news, but i'll let you drive both on the on it. okay. excuse dental, are you still most of the my subway, but just do you still know? sadly, if she ever leaves get us but the shipper instead of just stick with a lift or flip that came over to them, i need this says that you print school, so that's good news. i used to move on when they finished over or not somebody's going. so i'm sitting here waiting for a few quick to take a picture of i'll go to the straight face of the so what happens globally as a result of china is population decline as well. let's talk about this. number one,

a shrinking population means less consumption of goods and services, which will or could certainly affect other countries who rely on the chinese consumer. number to smaller labor force would mean it might be harder for china to compete. totally. 3 economic impact could lead to a political fall out of maybe even a weakening of china's influence worldwide. and we're backed out with the professor, kenneth hammond from new mexico state university. okay. uh, this is what everybody essentially gets to when they talk about china. it seems to be one of those alluring topics that everyone refers to and that is the one child policy, which was an effect in china for so many years. and a lot of people are saying that, you know,

what is happening in china today with this under population. a problem, as it's being stated, has a lot to do with the one child policy by that. well, you know, i'm, i'm kind of used to be in a bit of a contrary and voice on some of this stuff. but i don't, i don't buy that as, as the cause of what's happening now. you know, the one child policies were put in place in the early 19 eighties at a point where china had achieved significantly economic development. but much of the benefits of that development had been consumed by a rapidly growing population. yeah. the leadership made the decision to try to reign in population growth at the same time that they tried to accelerate economic expansion. and the combination of those 2 affects yielded that, that long period of, you know, double digit growth and in gross domestic product that we saw in the ninety's and, and the 1st decade of this century bought that,

that constraints that restraints on population growth disappeared about 8 years ago now. mm. uh, 7 years ago now, when those policies were rollback. and what the, what the surprise was to some observers was that there was no, there was no baby boom. there wasn't, it wasn't the, everyone was chopping at the bed and anxious to be able to go wild and started having lots of kids. again, there has been a very big yeah. but they were big, big the expectation was that people, when they were told you can't breed except for one child. and eventually when they got rid of the role, everybody would go out there like rabbits and start printing. but what you're saying they didn't and, and the reason they didn't is the same reason we see in all other western or, or develop nations. and that is the well, so you are, you are the less out you are to want to breed the less out you are to want to have

babies. and that's almost the universal way around the world. yeah. the biggest thing that we've seen that in, in cultures throughout western europe, north america, japan is it, we say is as gone through that it, it shouldn't really be a surprise to anybody. but i think the effect has been a little stronger in china than in many places because they've gone very quickly now into this period where there's actually a, a decline in population. and in part, as we were saying before, the break, you know, that's because you don't have an immigrant population coming into china to bolster the the do population of projections are that by the end of this century, trying this population will drop back to about a 1000000000 people that's a drop of 400000000 people over the next uh, you know, 7 or 8 decades. but there is then there is one thing we have to address and that is,

and that is, and that is the fact that because of the one child policy, there are many more men. then there are women in china. as a result, there's not enough of um, over the, i'm not quite sure how to say this delicately but uh, they're actually now and i and i, and i just read this report that seems to indicate that the chinese government is trying to create a sperm bank if you will, for there to be, uh, you know, enough mails and enough over them. i don't know that they're, that they're looking at ways to create more for delivery. so is that exactly? yeah, these shot the city of shanghai has been the pioneer and this uh, john high is the most popular city in china. it has over 25000000 people. uh, but uh, in shanghai the effects of this demographic transition have also been very, very dramatic. shaw high as a, as a city does have an immigration slow,

there are people who are drawn to sean high by you cannot make oppertunity, sir, but natural growth in the sean high population is negative is shrinking. and sean are very soon after the dropping of the one child policy began to initiate programs to try to encourage people to get married to have babies. they enhance a priest at the, the, the levels of state support of the provision of services. they even provided financial direct financial incentives and it didn't work. it simply didn't work. yeah. and at the irony, in some ways is that there's, there's gender disparity, which is not immense, but there are definitely more young man. then there are young ladies, you know, women that spend your disparity has resulted in, in many ways not universally, but in many ways in a valorization of women and young women now in and china has of course,

uh, you know, equals uh educational opportunity, employment opportunities, things like that, there are problems, there are glitches with all of that, but basically they're committed to a gender neutral gender balanced economy. and so that means that there are many more, you know, young professional women, young business, women, young women seeking their careers who don't want to step aside from that and say, no, i'm just going to stay home and, and have children and raise babies. and do that, they want to pursue their lives, they want to pursue the opportunities which the chinese economy provides for. that's interesting. so listen to what you just said the aside is it was the many years ago during the mileage rule where people were literally a boarding females and even killing female babies, cuz they all wanted to have boys. uh that that policy aside as it was. and as much

as we've written about it has now turned conversely, into an advantageous situation for females in china. that's crazy. yes. well, it, as i say, it's a, it's, it's, it's another, it's a demonstration of what sometimes called the law of unintended consequences that you have uh, the, the, the one trial policies, which is what they set out to achieve in one sense, in the sense that by restraining population growth, even though it's like continued to grow, but not at that rapid pace that it had in the 1st 30 years of the p r. c, the people's republic. so that allowed the benefits of economic expansion to raise the material livelihoods, of hundreds of millions of people. you know, they've tried his accomplishments with, with all kinds of things, health care, education, housing, you know, eliminating absolute poverty, things like that would not have been possible without the one child policy. when they lifted those many people, most people i think expected that there would be a new wave of population growth. but that the expansive economy would be able to

absorb that. and indeed in a classical sense, even benefit from that that hasn't happened. but i think, you know, again i'm, i'm, you know, used to be a little bit of a contrary. and i don't think it has to be the disaster. that western observers are and so many and trying to are, are anticipating fascinating conversation. professor kenneth time in new mexico state university, a historian, thank you about a thank you very much, sir, for taking time to the pleasure to be here for having me hate. before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. it's simple really. i want to try and de silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes that we all seem to want to occupy. choose to live in boxes. truth is everywhere. how much interest are we looking for you again, right here,

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hello and welcome to the cross software. all things are considered on peter level. can there ever be a lasting peace in ukraine and europe as long as keeps backers only want continued conflict? the west has the wrong priorities. it is looking to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. instead, peace will return when security is guaranteed for all the cross hockey and the search for peace. i'm joined by my guest, general, bali in big forth. he's chairman of the stand up america, us foundation and rest. and we have, mike, i'm a lucy is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst. and in cambridge we cross the doctor. the big pg is the founder of unit, which is a defense intelligence organization based in the u. k. all right, the cross walk roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. let's go to the general paul and big 4th. yeah, you're a military man. you know how wars start?

you know how they're fox, and i'm sure you would agree with me more should never be fought if you can avoid it. but here we are. and where, what 1516 months into the conflict with no possible outcome on the horizon in your professional experience general. where do we go from here? well, peter said, mind johnson from now, this is getting beyond the ridiculous to continue this insane war over there. and ukraine. last year reformed in international alliance solar patriots international alliance. that really was a focus on go with the boosters and the vaccines and all of that. but then we transitioned as we talked to other uh, members uh throughout the basically your van down to australia. and so we decided to re focus on the ukrainian or russian password, and we are now set in motion a piece of coverage to be held in the mediterranean in august with some 30

delegates. so we want to pull the people in influencers that embrace insanity in this conflict that i think gets in the best interest model of your brand new russia . but also the other countries that are involved. now in china, when you look around the entire world, this conflict is really upset. the entire move of the so to speak. so it's got it and it's got to be assessed a okay, well let's, let's go to the doctor in cambridge, dr. the, the, the biggest problem i suppose in conflict resolution is the element of trust. so obviously there is no trust here or you know, the history of the complex. if you have the look at decision makers in the kremlin, they're going to say, well, we already tried negotiating with these people to minutes process. and apparently they were deceitful and they live and it was a cover. okay, how do we over to overcome that barrier?

and on top of that, when you have the president of the united states, you have the secretary of defense, basically saying fits was name change in russia that were interested in that as a copy hop that it's very difficult to get around as well. please. dr. in, in the cambridge you mentioned about you, right? i think it's a very just most the nation for, for these options because it has to be, um, you know, opened a state to settlements. the quote was not in good faith. and that's for that time who's being used to actually build top as most against russia. and then we are seeing currently you know, the, the escalade just close for uh, for janice light on the ukrainians side. this is on the, on the, on the social media. and on and on behalf of the of the leading people within ukraine site. there's a very different breach to cross, yet it can be done. you know, if you get the right people to gather and you get a dial going with the, with the,

with the initiation of recognition of what the actual problem is. then there of course they can be you, they can be a resolution, but you've got to get the right people together. and that's the 1st pair. and, and, and it has to be done from, you know, as we do it or, or any other entity does it, you're going to get the right people to can, as opposed to, you know, michael, in my, my introduction, you know, the, i said that the west nato has the wrong priorities and the priority ought to be and we knew this, the december before the complex started is security guarantees for all be in the visibility of security. it's not, or for an idea by the way we that was enshrined in helsinki in the 19 seventy's. what happened? how we gotten so far away from that because rushes proposals or demands or ultimate or whatever you want to call december before. that is a point of departure as well. peter, thanks for having a d. n a and on this topic, particularly of that what you,

what you outlined is absolutely correct. there wasn't just one agreement. there were half a dozen agreements on indivisibility overtime in the 9th, from the 19 nineties and into the 2 thousands that talked about indivisibility, which defined means you do not arm the west at the expense of the east. and when the cold war ended, nato actually grew and has in large 7 times. the warsaw pact, however, went away. now they, as you point out at mr. fulton ward the united states in december of 21 to 2021. that this was a threats to national security. this encroachments and he was ignored. he was poor food. in fact, he was down. he was spoken down to which the russians field american, since the notoriously done for years rather than treat them as an equal power and,

and with and with respect that went away. and we saw that also with the nato. and you saw stolen bird groping around looking for a new identity for nato itself. where is the very existence until this episode happened. they had to create this episode in order for nato to continue. and i think it's, it's an institution that what at all costs must survive no matter what the, the, the cost is. yeah. well that's what we're saying. yeah. but, and michael, the, the failure of european security a, you, you put it at the door step of nato. this is make those fault, okay, that's it. and, and, and, and, and this, and this organization has to be the spanned, okay, we need to start all over again. i'm getting ahead of myself. let's go back to big for the, the way i look at it general is that there's only going to be a military solution to this. ok? russia, it has incorporated regions of ukraine that it calls its own sovereignty right now . obviously cry me a is a, the red is the red lines right now. um, as much as

a lake lady and gentlemen, i wouldn't, i would like to see a negotiated into it. i don't see it in the cards. explain to me how i'm not how i'm wrong general. well the history uh theater will be solved with just a better lie and i think is uh the ukrainians has suffered severe damage. and we have some anywhere from 12 to 15000000, the grains of already lost their country, gone to other countries. they have to be rebuilt. and i know the russian see that the bills are going to protect, to the eastern provinces are part of the separation. now that for the soul is shop there, see some more. now let's proceed on to a restoration of both. what's been damaged in russia and great, and what about the insides? are definitely, but we see uh they to push this thing to the edge. and good morning everybody is the ceiling power and the president cedars would have never happened, say lines were prevail and they were congress. right. but uh,

that's not the situation so little. and so we think maybe and 60 days will be probably the right, the environments where association of possibilities, you know, and let's go back to our guest in cambridge and i've been thinking over the last few weeks, i've always, you know, because i'm a trained historian, myself, you know, and, and i always think of as a, how will future historians look at this? and then i, i caught myself thinking, i don't know if we're gonna need his story. and so i think we need psychologist because i don't understand the mindset. i mean, there's this, the, the rhetoric that it's coming out of care of, it's just, it, it really is pathological, i mean, it's good, although you can't talk to these people, they want to kill as many russians as possible all over the world. i mean, they talk to the language of genocide and their western backers are just saying, you know, oh, that's with, that's who they are. i mean, this is a, so you have, you know, one of the problems we have in this complex is that the west is not see the other

side. i'm right, steven cohen, the great steven cohen, always the say that try to understand from the other guys angle the west refuses to do that. go ahead. my friend in cambridge a. yes, and thank you for that. it's, it's a, it's true. you know, i think you until people resolution. yes. so we've caught you 1st understand that the main problem here. yes, it is an agent expansion to a cease. but then there is this whole mass to fall by new nazis. this is not, it's not a smaller matter. yeah. they do something, something that has the that's on which russia actually cost assistance from the international bodies several times and nothing was done so, and it's being documented by west media as well. so site is very well documented, it's well very well, you know, demonstrated that the, this is the biggest issue and today we're living at times where it hasn't been 7 skiing sale. um are you move on uh, on other people they are calling fulton gym site. so, so for the resolution,

i think it's extremely important for the international community to recognize this at the central core of the problem. so, so, and once you've got people talking with regards to really evidence as to what has been happening from the 2014 onwards, increasingly so in 2021, where, where the shuttle shingles on the bus was increased by the if you all the, and they were targeting has to be crushing communities and that led to these special ministry of ration. one of the biggest reasons are for, for the sample. so i think once the dial in the international community begins with this, there is no way to fight. because you know, in the west we have to find the best we can get for them, you know, coming on from home, from the was for tooth. right? so people are really sensitive to that people do not. com and people do not want this, but they don't even know that there is a problem. so i think batcheirall it has to be, uh, you know, has the quote that has to disappear. and common people need to really understand

what really has been happening.