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a request, which is the, the sometimes we come across was the blower stories that just make us angry there, emblematic of everything that's wrong with the way whistle blowers are treated. today we have that kind of a story. we're going to talk about the airline industry and industry where safety is absolutely paramount. after all, if a plane is unsafe, if it falls out of the sky, god forbid, there's literally nothing that anybody can do about it. passengers are at the mercy of the reliability of the aircraft, the end of the ability of the people operating it and maintaining it. so what happens when a pilot blows the whistle on potential safety violations?

the airline is supposed to investigate. and if necessary, take the plane out of service, maybe even ground, the fleet, change the policy, making the repairs, do everything else necessary to maintain safety and security. but what delta airlines did instead was to go after the whistle blower a john carry onto and welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 today we're going to tell you the story of captain carlene petted. she's a veteran pilot with delta airlines, one of the largest carriers in the world in 2016 carlene raised concerns about potential safety violations at delta. and it almost cost her her career. that's not the way it's supposed to work. as i said in the u. s. department of labor complaint she said. busy after she brought her safety concerns to like that,

she was subjected to psychological exams and a phony diagnosis that had the potential to end. her career and administrative judge sided with her in a december 2020 order. but the airline drag did speed to implement the decision. the complaints that carly made were that delta had falsified training, records had conducted retaliatory line checks. and the airline treated employees unfairly and outside auditor hired by the airline found that the allegations were true. and delta eventually made changes to its policies and its training manuals. but in the meantime, carlene was suspended with pay. a doctor chosen by delta said that she suffered with bipolar disorder, but the airline couldn't fire her because every time she was examined by a psychiatrist, she was deemed to be mentally healthy. there was no bipolar disorder or any other mental health disorder. the airlines goal was to have her declared mentally unfit to fly, so that they could fire her and she couldn't then be hired by another airline. in

the end, carleen was examined by a panel of doctors at the esteemed mayo clinic, as well as by a neutral doctor. they all found that she had no mental health issues whatsoever. in 2022 carlene won a complete and total legal victory. a labor department tribunal award, her $500000.00 in damages, and she now flies a $330.00 between seattle and european destinations. currently petty joins us today . thank you so much for being with us. hi, thank you for having me, john. oh, thank you. and well, wow, is all i can say every article i read about your case made me angrier than the previous one. you conducted your whistle blowing exactly the way we're all trained to do it. you presented a 43 page report with your concerns to to delta pilots, who are also company executives and who are responsible for this kind of information. so walk us through what happened next. you made your revelations and

then what to um. well, was an interesting cuz we learned so much in discovery during through the trial, but we learned that this was a pre meditated plan back in 2015. we're captain james graham, who is now delta c e o, an endeavor there wholly owned subsidiary. he actually had planned it and said he was going to do it if i came forward with my report. and so that was 4 months before they created the pre test for this, we learned that they paid the doctor $74000.00. it took me 3 years to get him in illinois medical the word to take action against him and he forwarded forfeited his medical license. yet the company before on has never been held accountable. the union was not there for me at all. we learned that i learned that the union was actually working with the company and fortunately, and, and many union representatives after the fact, apologize to me and said that they hadn't been there at the time,

but they couldn't do anything anyway. it was quite a battle because from beginning to end, it was over 7 years and yeah, 7 years i was 6 years of litigation. i was told that they did engage in war of attrition. i'm actively trying to change this uh, the air 21 statute, which is the airline was a blur statute because it has the shortest statute limitations only 90 days. i locked out because i knew immediately my union wasn't helping me and i began researching. i didn't know about this and found out and i was able to file and time . it's a key factor. we also were challenged after the judge ordered me $500000.00. the they appealed and the pump where it said, wait a minute, a delta your bad you still is. but they went after the judge why he could award so much because it's all compensatory damages, typically $50000.00. we were headed back to trial to support the order that the

judge and give it. they ordered me to go back to court and we all know that the current was almost more painful than what delta did. i have to tell you a 6 years of trial. so yeah, and we were to posing them and going back and at the end of the day, delta finally came in and said, okay, will you settle? will give you what the judge ordered. we won't take this any further, you don't have to go back to court and we'll give you all your attorney fees, which was huge value to me because typically that's another problem with the law. you only get reasonable attorney fees. typically that's about 90 percent of what you spend. so could you imagine spending 7 years in litigation and receiving $50000.00, but your attorney bills are 1000000 and a half. you. you only get 90 percent of that back so you can't win even if you win . so it's kind of yeah, it was a no brainer to settle. i actually retired on january 31st. i yeah

here's, here's the biggest problem. delta has not changed really changed much of anything. they're still putting pilots on duty for up to 25 hours to as a nose. they are looking the other way. they called it a loophole in a workaround. but when you work around a federal regulations such as fatigue, you're violating safety management systems, which is a risk mitigation tool. so they're look another way. they're still behaving badly and they don't monitor their policies. cuz when adults, as corporate policies are no risk to retaliation, will not be tolerated, it will die and we subject determination and delta has helped nobody accountable in this entire process. all the, all that and did this to me were still there and promoted. and so yeah, and so it was kind of like they went this far and how many millions and attorney fees and they spent, you know, what's next and as a captain,

flying with my fellow pilots, they're going to be going along for the ride. if they're going to come and get me again and what are they going to do next? and, and i just thought that i do not respect his company enough to continue flying for them. the fact that the people who they are they haven't anything, and the problem is the board of directors and new and they're not taking any action . uh, ceo was involved and bastion and he was his name, the number one c e o in their ceo group. so when you're the leader of your company is behaving this way and condoning a retaliation and attacking on a whistleblower. and i also find it very difficult. i'd like to change at work turn whistle blower because i really didn't whistle blowing. anyone. i use my doctoral research in created in the 8 your ethnographic study and, and created this report that would help out. i was trying to help somebody

something i guess if they went out and hired an outside company would have spent, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars to get what i was giving to them for free. and instead of thanking me or it ripping it up and throwing it away and said goodbye, they decided to go on the attack. so let's, let's talk about what you, what you offer them, the kind of information that you offered them. you wrote about falsified training, records, retaliatory line checks, and unfair treatment. can you tell us exactly what that means and what other concerns did you have or? yeah, so the falsifying records training is a huge is a huge issue. and what they were doing is we're required to give an oral, to assess the level of understanding. and that actually is the biggest uh, when the most important aspects and why airplanes crash, why we're having incidents is lack of level of understanding. will delta's pencil webbing? it, they're not giving the orals to the pilots. and they're just putting the grades in there. and then we have a written test wherever we're required to, to give you a book to memorize. and so they give you the answers,

you go and take the test of true, you know, a, b, c, d, answer the test. so i explained in my paper that some training philosophies and right how to train better um safety management system, which is the big buzz word for everybody right now. it's supposed to be the end all guest, and it really is nothing because you have to have a, a positive safety culture. so the entire report was actually the importance of safety. culture is a foundation for s m s. and under every category of adjust culture, a reporting culture, and a learning culture, what i did is i included these cultures. and then i went ahead and i went ahead and explained what we were doing. here's an example. here's how you fix it. here's how you solve the problem and i.