rise, and so they give you the answers, you go and take the test as true, you know a, b, c, d, answer the test. so i explained in my paper that some training philosophies and right how to train better. um, safety management system, which is the big buzz word for everybody right now. it's supposed to be the end, all guessed, and it really is nothing because you have to have a, a positive safety culture. so the entire report was actually the importance of safety. culture is a foundation for s m s. and under every category of adjust culture, a reporting culture and a learning culture. what i did is i included these cultures. and then i went ahead and i went ahead and explained what we were doing. here's an example. here's how you fix it. here's how you solve the problem. and i had a page and a half of references for academic research and,

and so it was quite interesting that they reacted the way they did. they sent your complaints to an outside auditor, and the auditor found that everything you had said was correct. and presumably, at least i would expect then remediation to begin. you've made these observations. an outside auditor says, oh yes, these observations are true and the whole issue should have ended there. so, so why didn't it, and when did you realize that the airline was going to go after you personally? well, actually heard my union representative had warned may if you meet with them, they're going to get you. they're going to give you this section 15. now at the time i had no idea what it was, and perhaps i was not here, but i thought in today's day and age, nobody's been come, get you for giving safety information to them to help out. so i was not even that aspect. so i kind of loosely knew that they might but never really anticipated or expected it to actually happen. and then um,

and then when they actually told me, i never knew that they had done that safety audit. i had so expected something because we were receiving from emails they were doing internal audits. i'm the culture of the airline. do you like your management team? are they helping you? what do you think about? and so i could see that they were researching from trying to get from the employees the feel for the culture, the airlines. so i hey, i suspected that had something to do with it, but the fact that every other month they kept doing it, they weren't getting the answers that they wanted. and so they were researching, but not until we to pose steve dixon. did he tell me that i was a catalyst for change in that and that they had done this? i had actually no idea the extent of being done. and he's the one and i, i remember sitting there listening to his deposition, saying that i inspired this star was a catalyst for change. and it was thinking,

and why did you do this? yeah, me, that's right. let me know. and then how did you set, how did you respond if you're catalyst to change, then they should have given you an award a metal, you know something a performance bonus. instead you ended up having to hire an attorney. and then what happened next? and i did, and actually i the attorney before that. so that's how we found out. so we went through discovery and what we had learned is jim graham had pre meditated she had plan that's from the day i wanted to come meet with them. we learned that the regional director filled davis and deltas labor relations attorney met with the doctor in a hotel room in chicago for 10 and a half hours. they were discussing a strategy we learned. we have emails that the chief pilot edited my medical report and multiple occasions they put in these emails strategy. they put in these emails, they were going to do this to me. we had emails at gym,

grammar to student dixon. they were going to do so we learned after the fact that this was a completely pre meditated process. and yet we had to go to court and we never imagined. i never imagined after we were able to depose bastion that after that deposition, that this company would even step further in court and the up they did. so the big question is why? because all along, if i would have been the advisor to delta airlines at any phase, even after they even after they last, i would have had my ceo, somebody step out and say this is wrong. we didn't know. we found this new information. we apologize to her, we're going to take action. and yet to date, they still deny they did anything wrong and they're in the clear and lies the problem. stay with us were speaking with aviation was of lower and delta airlines

pilot carlene petted about her experience blowing the whistle against wrong doing in the airline industry. we're going to take a short break. we have a lot more to talk about. so stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 of the the, the welding of the a sober tv the you know,

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a picture of the day so good. i'm not the welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with delta airlines pilot carleen pettit. about what happened to her after she blew with long wrong doing that. she saw at the airline. it got ugly, quickly. carleen, thanks again for being with us. you're welcome. thank you. i want to ask you about what must have been the most difficult thing about your whistle blowing. that's the airlines allegation, that you must have been crazy after all, only a crazy person would complain about such a great company. at least that was the implication. they hired a bias doctor to whom they gave $76000.00. who said that you suffered from bipolar

disorder. that was based on nothing. of course you didn't suffer from bipolar disorder or from any other disorder. but hearing that for the 1st time, had to hurt. did you know at the time that it was actually a common tactic that corporations use to discredit whistle blowers? how did you initially respond to it to i actually didn't know when i was 1st of my researching, trying to figure out cuz i knew this was wrong. what they did, i knew i wasn't helping me. i started looking for attorneys, and there was an attorney in minnesota who told me he said, you're going to, here's what's gonna happen. they're going to keep you out long enough to mess with you in training or they're going to give you a fake metal, a medical diagnosis. but i'd never, i'd heard, you know, i, i really didn't doubt that, but i figured okay, i can bypass that. i'll go back to new aircraft, so that's when i bid the triple 7 figuring when i come back, i get a whole new program that will take one little at stride and about you know,

basket. and then after i was diagnosed as bipolar my logical brain said these guys are pretty damn stupid because it's on medical condition that should be proven. so it wasn't like just a personality disorder. and i learned that that was typical. i had called a doctor in search of finding this neutral or actually finding my uh, the 2nd one before the mail. and when i told this doctor that i was diagnosed as bipolar, he started laughing and i said was so funny. and he said, typically they give personality disorders, they don't just want, you've gone from this, your line, they want you gone from the industry and bingo, that's the time that i realized it probably wasn't my safe to report. it was probably the research i was doing because everything that i researched at emory rental, on my eye doctor, it was what was going on at delta. and it was i was looking into level of

understanding safety culture, what was impacting the safety of our aircraft. and as i was researching or something and low, this is what's happening at delta airlines. so i kind of use them, do you identify them? created the survey instruments and learned that i was correct, that everything delta is doing is a counter. it's it counteract. safety is wrong, i mean from some fear retaliation, non reporting culture, their training practices, putting pilots on duty fatigue. everything they're doing is wrong. and i said, okay, we need to do something to fix this company. i thought that perhaps the senior executive jim graham and steve dixon were in this ivory tower. and perhaps they didn't know what was going on. as i learned, they not only knew what was going on, but they were in the hand of it. and they weren't going to change and they needed

to silence me. so it's been in the process. you went to a number of different doctors, all of whom found you to be perfectly mentally healthy, including a panel that, that was made up of some of the best psychiatrists in america at the mayo clinic at every step of the way the airline last. and you, one on this issue, and finally, delta just gave up. but as you noted just a few minutes ago, rather than to say a, we're sorry we were wrong. and she was right. they said that they were making a business decision to not appeal. the final ruling that would make me angry too, but you must have been happy that it was all over finally. and the bottom line is that you one, tell us what that was like. actually, it wasn't really because i had lived with this for so long and i, i thought that we were going to create change when you're going through. how do you, you think, okay, i can survive how it is on the other side, we're going to succeed and we're gonna gain something. and i thought that we're

going through this, i would be able to create the change and make the difference. so it kind of was a driving force and at the end of the day when i finally agreed to start or because they did appeal and they lost their appeal. but it was a 3rd that, that additional court we had to go to to justify how much the judge gave. and i was ready to do it. but at that point, when i settled, i felt like i was, i felt like i gave that. i felt like even though i want everything, every step of the way i want, i want i want. but when i settled and realized, delta never held any accountability, they're not st. creating the change. i thought they would. they're not holding anyone accountable, even though their policy says subjects termination, we will hold people accountable. there will be no retaliation and prove and on every level, but the ceo, the senior vp, the human resources woman,

she was promoted, everybody's still there. everybody's going on as businesses normal. so it doesn't quite feel like when, because the when was in the money and the when was going to be the change. i can understand that. tell us then what substantive changes were finally made it delta, thanks to your whistle blowing. um the probably the greatest changes. they'll never be able to do this again cuz now it became so known that it have that occurred. so i didn't really see that many changes there. i is a little bit more communicative, but they haven't changed their training. that's the biggie. they haven't done anything with training, it's actually, it appears to be getting worse. they stare still has a fear of retaliation. they made a great effort to uh, tell the new employees that they were a great company. you can come speak to us. but everybody kind of underlying knows

that that's not really the truth. so the change may seem on the surface, the substances. i don't, i don't, i personally don't think it's really still there. and there are in there still a lot of retaliation going on. sexual harassment by management at delta with the female employees. a female pilots agency is rampant. i. yeah it's, it's just not a happy place. your case was covered extensively in the ation media and that coverage was universally sympathetic. i read everything. have pilots or employees of other airlines reached out to you for advice. and what advice do you, or would you give to others in the airline industry who are considering blowing the whistle? the oh, hundreds of pilots from the data started have been reached out to me to present time. and i have actually helped quite a few advice i would give to them as everybody in the industry who they believe

reports are anonymous. absolutely nothing is anonymous, be vol, call. be confident the articulate, put everything in writing and copy everyone you can, cuz that's going to be your prediction. when this 1st started, my alpha representatives tried to talk me not to giving them a, giving them the safe to report. don't give it to him. my union rep tried to do that, and that actually is what saved me is because we had everything in writing. the documentation is key and then reach out there's resources out there, people are, are trying to help. now i, like i said, i got a lot of people call me for advice and also if you have a union representation, that's kind of tricky because the union may, you may think the union is going to help you. at the end of the day, you lose your statute, limitations for any other resource arbitration in the railway labour act, the arbitrators are paid businessman. i would never put my career in the hand of an

arbitrator if you didn't have to. so and then i would really liked everyone to go to my website curling parent dot com. and there's a link to sign the petition to try and get this air 21 live reform because it's a very weak law. delta has proven that they can engage in a war of attrition and run the employee out. and then at the end of today, they just thought they were going to wear me out, but they finally just knew they weren't. so they gave up carlene pettit dot com. i want to thank our guests captain carline petted for joining us and for her bravery in standing up to our corporate bosses. and thanks to our viewers for watching, it takes real leadership to improve safety and is martin luther king junior. one said the ultimate measure of a person is not where he stands in my sense of comfort and convenience. but where he stands in times of challenge and controversy, our guest today did the right thing, even when it was tough, even when the cost was high. b, like carly and petted,

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the thing is escalation. bonnie: as far as that goes on un peacekeeping ships and leave the country without delay, claiming that mason was playing to deal with trying to is that the last almost this is our team. i as well as a lot of in 30 minutes of news and views starting now. the south african need is set to hold tools. nato was by the unpleasant i with the confidence. and you claim how i loved. sorry is peace initiative has already been spun by the claim. present by them is a nancy, is that most of most in delta, decisive living defeat 1st. despite that so of offers a says, rushes interest. com be noted in any future negotiations. and we do believe that

of this process for peace, much as it is complex requires that all the points must be put on the table. this wall must be settled and this should be peace through negotiations and diplomatic means. meanwhile, south africa and john is i'm president of the security and c, levine, blocks of bipolar from flying to russia and came off to the african delegation visit. think she would join wasting finance officials the same moscow targeted the capital with missiles and drones with the media and click it. cuz those play, however, the visiting delegation said it never heard of. so i think the south african presidential spence person dismissing it as misinformation. i didn't see any explosion. i'll hate an explosion. that's what do we say? nowhere lived in the morning. a decision today? yes,

we went to put you at an in the time we arrive and the time we went to put you, in fact, we did not witness any of those who did not have to ask and look. sorry, no, we didn't hear it. but did you go to bump schultz or today? no, no, no, i didn't go to the present. it was taken to the south african delegation. they brought a piece initiative to see it, but that visit, it was mind by a whole array of incidents when they arrive to key of the officials that ukrainian officials. they announced that the south african delegation was indeed met by the whaling of air raid sirens. the harbingers over a quote unquote massive russian missile attacks put in builds confidence by launching the largest missile attack on t as in weeks. exactly, a mid the visit of african leaders to our capital, russian missiles or a message to africa. russia once more war, not peace,

the great and officials they branded the today. suppose the attack as one of the largest to date. but that attack certainly failed to impress the south africans because they did not account anything of the sort. in fact, they revealed that they were outright surprised when they were told to take shelter in the hotel. they posted a video that was short moments of to the legs. miss all attack and no sirens can be had in that footage and vac video. so they themselves out, they explicitly said they that they did not hear any explosions or sirens, but the western media, well, they decided to stick with the key of accounts of events. they called it a message to the south applicant delegation, ending general. they have the site to hype up this event, that it probably did not happen to do as much as possible. this really brings us to another incident. this delegation that we're talking about. it was cut short

dramatically because see they were traveling via to ad croft and one, carrying the officials in another. the security detail over a 100 people on the journal of south african i'm just african. john listened, that secondary profit was grounded in poland. apparently that was supposed to be the layover, but for the gods on the members of the press, it was turned out to be the final destination. and the jealous gave an african journalist he described in great detail the sort of humiliation. some of the members, some of the passengers of the jets had to go through in poland to have a listen. there was the struggle with outside the windows of the police police were using to allow the addition to this, the bulk of with us we have at least a 100 members of the security personnel. some of them special task force, others, members of the 50 s who was supposed to go ahead of the president,

ukraine and of the center russian prefer for the efforts into submission. the furnace threatened to confiscate the whip instead of being carried by the subject. yeah, they also strip searched a member of the presidential protection services. uh someone who holds a diplomatic passport. that's the never happened before in all the as a several by the s. this is now a diplomatic role. and at this point we're waiting for. i'm coming to you from our president and all minute stuff international relations. 12 following this bombshell, poland tried to downplay the scale and the significance of the event. they said that, well, the security via apple security there was simply trying to confiscate weapons from the south african security detail. deep south african president in sales. uh, but again, that very much differs with the accounts that you just had from a journalist who sold that with his own eyes. and in fact,

this incident on this very fact, since uh, just bear in mind that all these people over a 100 people, they are still stranded, apparently in poland. you know, hopes that they will be able to travel to russia next. because it is the, the 2nd leg of the journey of the south african delegation. and in fact, the south africans themselves, pre described what happened in poland, knowledge, the regrettable nature of that incident. officials are engaging. would they have quoted you come to us to resolve the impasse so that the p p s team is always the media can proceed to get it as planned as well. ready be able to cover at least that i shouldn't legs off the piece, thoughts as well as both, both, both to treat with deeply, deeply disturbed by the experience they've gone through. and we

don't know what is coming device to see to each, to that situation. the keys are soft now african nations are expected to share the peace plan with the officials in most school. but again, it is unclear as to what sort of, uh, what, what sort of consequences that will be and how much weight is that piece plan will carry regardless of the result. and regardless of the outcome of their me to get in general, i personally wouldn't put the hold any hopes high because ukraine has been very adamant. it's either that way or no way at all. and of course, they want everything they want. cry may have a want that don't pass and well, this is not something the rush that russia is going to settle. if as the, as jackie certainly believes as no appetite is a fact checking if the truth goes against why some interest is the true. what we're really trying to spot is

a gauge your interest of the west. the truth can go to hell. there's no, i'll put that into actually trying to know what happens from the sources. double checking, screening, verifying that was, has long decided that. 6 is u k, that it was to defend the projects. and therefore it is to create the decides in whatever happens, even in terms of objectively either to ukraine's phones to be on the low side to be doing things that is not supposed to be doing. the west and by extension it's a corporate and media perez has no interest in the report to

truthfully, on the object to the things i know some impedance was interested in co out for a run something today and rushes. nolan capital friday. so 11 inputs intake to the stage as the main thing here on st continues, is exclusive coverage of russia's biggest economic event. the, the president touches upon a wide range of issues from incoming cooperation to the situation. the front lines and unifying. here are some of the key points from his speech is more than likely to be super familiar with this finds all the difficulties last year we did not switch to the positive self isolation role that we expanded contacts with reliable and responsible partners. and those countries in the region that act as the drivers of the world economy as all.