it anticipated or expected it to actually happen and then um, and then when they actually told me, i never knew that they had done that safety audit. i had so expected something because we were receiving from emails they were doing internal audits on the culture of the airline. do you like your management team? are they helping you? what do you think about? and so i could see that they were researching from trying to get from the employees the feel for the culture, the airlines. so i, i suspected that had something to do with it, but the fact that every other month they kept doing it, they weren't getting the answers that they wanted. and so they were searching, but not until we to pose steve dixon, did he tell me that i was a catalyst for change in that and that they had done this. i had actually no idea the extent that they had done. and he's the one and i, i remember sitting there listening to his deposition, saying that i inspired this star was a catalyst for change. and it was thinking,

and why did you do this with me? that's right. let me know. and then how did you set, how did you respond if you're catalyst to change, then they should have given you an award a metal, you know something a performance bonus. instead you ended up having to hire an attorney. and then what happened next? and i did, and actually i the attorney before that. so that's how we found out. so we went through discovery and what we had learned is jim graham had premeditated as he had plan that's from the day i wanted to come meet with them. we learned that the regional director filled davis and deltas labor relations attorney met with the doctor in a hotel room in chicago for 10 and a half hours. they were discussing a strategy we learned. we have emails that the chief pilot, edited my medical report and multiple occasions they put in these

e mails strategy. they put in these e mails, they were going to do this to me. we had emails at jim grammar to student dixon. they were going to do so we learned after the fact that this was a completely pre meditated process. and yet we had to go to court and we never imagined. i never imagined after we were able to depose and bastion that after that deposition, that this company would even step further in court and the up they did. so the big question is why? because all along, if i would have been the advisor to delta airlines at any phase, even after they even after they last, i would have had my ceo, somebody step out and say this is wrong. we didn't know. we found this new information. we apologize to her, we're going to take action. and yet to date, they still deny they did anything wrong. and there in the clear and lies the problem. stay with us were speaking with a vision,

was the blower and delta airlines pilot carly and petted about her experience blowing the whistle against wrong doing in the airline industry. we're going to take a short break. we have a lot more to talk about. so stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the,

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year and you can assume that somebody's going. so i'm saying yes, i shoot the truck the best way to take a picture of i'll go and dump it over the street so that i'm not the welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john to reaku. we're speaking with delta airlines. pilot carleen padded about what happened to her after she blew with long wrong doing that she saw at the airline. it got ugly, quickly, currently. and thanks again for being with us. you're welcome. thank you. i want to ask you about what must have been the most difficult thing about your whistle blowing. that's the airlines allegation, that you must have been crazy after all, only a crazy person would complain about such a great company. at least that was the implication. they hired

a bias doctor to whom they gave $76000.00. who said that you suffered from bipolar disorder. that was based on nothing. of course you didn't suffer from bipolar disorder or from any other disorder. but hearing that for the 1st time, had to hurt. did you know at the time that it was actually a common tactic that corporations use to discredit whistle blowers? how did you initially respond to it? to? i actually didn't know when i was 1st of my researching, trying to figure out cuz i knew this was wrong. what they did. i knew i wasn't helping me. i started looking for attorneys, and there was an attorney in minnesota who told me, he said, you're going to, here's what's gonna happen. they're going to keep you out long enough to mess with you in training or they're going to give you a fake metal, a medical diagnosis. but i never had heard, you know, i really didn't doubt that, but i figured okay, i can bypass that. i'll go get a new aircraft so that's when i bid the triple 7 figuring when i come back, i get

a whole new program that will take one little at stride of them, but you know, basket. and then after i was diagnosed as bipolar my logical brain said these guys are pretty damn stupid because it's on medical condition that should be proven. so it wasn't like just a personality disorder. and i learned that that was typical. i had called a doctor. and in search of finding this neutral or actually finding my uh, the 2nd one before the me. okay. and when i told this doctor that i was diagnosed as bipolar, he started laughing and i said was so funny. and he said, typically they give personality disorders. they don't just want, you've gone from this, you're like, they want you gone from the industry and bingo, that's the time that i realized it probably wasn't my safe to report. it was probably the research i was doing because everything that i researched at emory rental, on my eye doctor,

it was what was going on at delta. and it was i was looking into level of understanding safety culture, what was impacting the safety of our aircraft. and as i was researching or something and low, this is what's happening at delta airlines. so i kind of use them, the identified them, created the survey instruments and learned that i was correct, that everything delta is doing is a counter. it's it counteract. safety is wrong, i mean from some fear retaliation, non reporting culture, their training practices, putting pilots on duty fatigue. everything they're doing is wrong. and i said, okay, we need to do something to fix this company. i thought that perhaps the senior executive jim graham and steve dixon were in this ivory tower. and perhaps they didn't know what was going on. as i learned, they not only knew what was going on, but they were in the hand of it. and they weren't going to change and they needed

to silence me. so it's been a process. you went to a number of different doctors, all of whom found you to be perfectly mentally healthy, including a panel that, that was made up of some of the best psychiatrists in america at the mayo clinic at every step of the way the airline last. and you, one on this issue, and finally, delta just gave up. but as you noted just a few minutes ago, rather than to say a, we're sorry we were wrong. and she was right. they said that they were making a business decision to not appeal. the final ruling that would make me angry too, but you must have been happy that it was all over finally. and the bottom line is that you one, tell us what that was like. actually, it wasn't really because i had lived with this for so long and i, i thought that we were going to create change when you're going through. how do you, you think, okay, i can survive how it is on the other side,

we're going to succeed and we're gonna gain something. and i thought that we're going through this, i would be able to create the change and make the difference. so it kind of was a driving force, and at the end of the day when i finally agreed to sell cars, they did appeal and they lost their appeal. but it was that 3rd that, that additional court we had to go to to justify how much the judge gave. and i was ready to do it. but at that point, when i settled, i felt like i was, i felt like i gave that. i felt like even though i won everything, every step of the way i run, i run i one. but when i settled and realized, delta never held any accountability, they're not st. creating the change, i thought they would. they're not holding anyone accountable, even though their policy says subject to termination, we will hold people accountable. there will be no retaliation and prove and on

every level, but the ceo, the senior vp, the human resources woman, she was promoted, everybody's still there. everybody's going on as businesses normal. so it doesn't quite feel like wind because the wind was in so many and the wind was going to be the change. i could understand that. tell us then what substantive changes were finally made it delta, thanks to your whistle blowing. um the probably the greatest changes. they'll never be able to do this again because now it became so known that it have that occurred . so i didn't really see that many changes there. i are a little bit more communicative, but they haven't changed their training. that's the biggie. they haven't done anything with training, it's actually, it appears to be getting worse. they stare still has a fear of retaliation. they made a great effort to uh, tell the new employees that they were

a great company. you can come speak to us. but everybody kind of underlying knows that that's not really the truth. so the change may seem on the surface, the substances. i don't, i don't, i personally don't think it's really still there. and there is there still a lot of retaliation going on. sexual harassment by management at delta with the female employees. a female pilots agency is rampant. i. yeah it's, it's just not a happy place. your case was covered extensively in the ation media, and that coverage was universally sympathetic. i read everything. have pilots or employees of other airlines reached out to you for advice. and what advice do you, or would you give to others in the airline industry who are considering blowing the whistle? oh, hundreds of pilots from the data started have been reached out to me to present time. and i have actually helped quite

a few advice i would give to them as everybody in the industry who they believe reports are anonymous. absolutely nothing. is anonymous. be of all call, be confident, be articulate, put everything in writing and copy everyone you can, cuz that's going to be your prediction. when this 1st started, my alpha representatives tried to talk me not to giving them a, giving them the safe to report. don't give it to him. my union rep tried to do that, and that actually is what saved me is because we had everything in writing. the documentation is key and then reach out there's resources out there, people are, are trying to help. now i, like i said, i got a lot of people call me for advice and also if you have a union representation, that's kind of tricky because the union may, you may think the union is going to help you at the end of the day, you lose your statute limitations for any other resource arbitration and the railway labor at the arbitrators are paid. businessman,

i would've never put my career in the hand of an arbitrator if you didn't have to. so and then i would really like everyone to go to my website currently and put it dot com and there is a link to sign the petition to try and get this air 21 lot reform because it's a very weak law. delta has proven that they can engage in a war of attrition and run the employee out. and that's ethical today. they just thought they were going to wear me out, but they finally just knew they weren't. so they gave up carlene pettit dot com. i want to thank our guests captain carline petted for joining us and for her bravery in standing up to our corporate bosses. and thanks to our viewers for watching, it takes real leadership to improve safety. and as martin luther king junior, one said, the ultimate measure of a person is not where he stands and mom, sense of comfort and convenience, but where he stands in times of challenge and controversy. our guest today did the

right thing, even when it was tough, even when the cost was high. b, like carly and petted, do the right thing. i'm john kerry. yahoo! and you've been watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, [000:00:00;00] the in the year of 1954, the united states of america engaged in warfare against the people of vietnam. the

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don't want marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the wayne say the after we withdrew truth from keith, as promised, the key of authorities as their patrons usually do, through it all into the waste basket of history where of the guarantees that they will not continue to abandon such agreements as a lot of my food and displays a key piece field. but he says he of stein and then scrap under pressure from his western patron small rush. i mean, time host, an applicant peacekeeping delegation of the it's for a ton of from ukraine. at least 40 people, mostly children are killed in dozens of doctors and in search and tax this happen

and get a school in uganda. rawlins president wraps up a tour of latin america signing dozens of deals with what he calls a like minded nations. ultimately laying the groundwork for this new multitude polo bought. the assessor with thousands, attending rushes biggest annual economic at the end of the year. we have a ton of details to tell you about tonight, a lot of movement on the geo political chessboard this week. so the russian president vladimir put in shows proof of a crucial piece deal that he says key of sign. and then scrap up on pressure from its western partners. he made those comments while hosting an african peacekeeping delegation. and so he just did not agree with you quite inside that the scale would be confidential. but we also never disclosed it or commented on it. it will go away

. the draft of disagreement was initialed by representative of the head of the negotiating group from ts. he put his signature there. here it is when he used it's called the treaty on permanent neutrality guarantees for the security of the crane. it contains 18 articles and there was also an appendix is provisions concern, the armed forces and many other things. everything is written there down to units of military equipment and personnel of the armed forces. we use issue here was the document. it is initial. but after we withdrew troops from t f, as promised, the key of authorities as their patrons usually do, through it all into the waste basket of history. some were the guarantees that they will not continue to abandon such agreements. i think it's quite remarkable that the lodging there put in felt the need to bring this agreement to his meeting with

the african leaders. in my opinion, it shows the significance. he attaches to these mediation efforts as well as rushes reputation, because i think what he's trying to do is to counter what's the narrative that the russian military operation in ukraine came absolutely unprovoked. and the western media and western officials liked to present it as, uh, this cruel attempt to grab your print, entire true. where in fact uh, in the view of the russian president, what russia does is defending its own legitimate security concerns in ukraine. and he was very straightforward in describing russian perspective in front of the african leaders. he said the uh, uh, that agreement that he actually demonstrates it to them had this title on permanent neutrality and security guarantees it to ukraine. and that it was essentially the

status was a secure distribution in europe, off to the end of the cold war. now uh, according to the rest of the president, uh, the kremlin remains open to o. uh, peace facilitation initiatives. as long as they are on, on the principle off there and this and recognition of legitimate security interest on all sides. and he's saying the african leaders for understanding the context, all of that conflict um not submitting to western pressure. now the african gas on the side side that they also have a practical, national security interest in a, solving the ukranian conflict because africa happens to be one of the most affected by the food crisis. the, the rising inflation when it comes to commodities, when it comes to fertilizers when it comes to brains. here is uh,

what the african leaders had to say during his meeting with the russian president. it has provoked problems tend to feel defendant to inflict security and unprecedented crisis in its nature. and he showed you already to support task in removing the obstacles, solve this conflict, thanks to you and all the actors like to key and to you. and we managed to pause the grain deal. i am confident that russia, one of the foremost nations of the un and permanence, manville the security council will observe the you and child to as a continent we are being negatively affected in terms of why economies. the prices of commodities have gone up, particularly grain and fertilizer in the process of fuel have also gone off. and this is

a consequence of the war that is ongoing. we would like to see further engagements with regards to the processes that will lead to the end of this will for the time being uh, the so called black sea deal, which uh, foresees the uninhibited expert though for your brain in weight and russian. i green's and fertilizers to the global markets uh is working on paper, but the russian side of the deal is being actively sabotaged by western countries. now there was one other important subject that i wanna mention that came out as a result of this meeting. and at it was on the subject of refugees, especially children that were removed from the ukraine or that change that location . as you may know, the international criminal court earlier issued an arrest warrant for the russian president during the charges of forcefully removing the children from your praying

. and one of the points of the peace proposal that was brought by the african delegation here to st. petersburg concluded the return of those children uh to their families, to which lied to me and put inside the russian never objected to that. and many of the children that were moved to russia from the conflict area were our friends opposed to do to estimate the children they are sacred. we were taking them out of the conflicts on saving their lives and their health. let's say no one intended to separate children from their families. we were transferring entire orphanages. this was done absolutely legally, as they were officially represented by the heads of those establishment. we've never been against children reuniting with their families in case their relatives appear. there are no obstacles to that. there have been none, and there will never be any where you machine as the russian leader read to write

that russian remains open to any piece proposals when it comes to ukraine or when it comes to the way international system should be around here. i a stress that the, every country has a key interest in being solver and in having its territorial integrity, protected by the principles of the un charter should apply equally to old. they should not be cherry pick um that if all countries subscribe to the same standards or, or the same international laws, rather than cherry picked rules selected by certain group of countries them and only them security and peace could be insurance for all. well, we've already had comments from ruptures of 4 minutes or so get it out for all fee decided to address and then give us comments on that. if a 10 point a settlement that was presented by the south african leda, please don't put them up for the present,

run the phones that announced tank closures. our colleagues identified them on the well known 12 points of the chinese proposal. those bars that are close to their position is our partners from the african union have shown an understanding of the true causes of the crisis that was created by the west. it is necessary to get out of the situation on the basis of address and beast causes some of the development of concrete actions to eliminate them. these are the reasons that had been undermining fair security on the you've been continent for many years. a senior design being politician says that despite the peace proposal for ukraine, the western powers still look down their noses at africa with a colonial mindset. and he says that's go to che. and when he comes to the west, africa is not taken serious. africa is not a superpower to them. so africa doesn't come to the table and propose things to them. africa are supposed to be shut down with their policies,

with the propaganda and with their own agenda. so for them, they still live in neil colonialism. they still believe that africa is a call of me, so we're not supposed to sit at the table, but this is showing us that africa sits up the table, and africa can come to the table and say, let's have peace on his talk about peace and how can we drill a road map to peace? africa needs to be taken seriously by the west, but they, they don't have that spirit behind the ideological processes. and then when it comes to some of the solutions that are being put forth, i want to get into where the grain deal stands here, right? because when it came to this green deal, and part of the negotiations were russia said, look, we want to make sure the pores, countries in the world are the ones who benefit from this grain deal, not brand new countries in europe. this was something that they have highlighted and emphasize again and again. and this greenville really is an important aspect of room of photos plan, because millions of africans could be exposed to starvation without it. so what do