as well, since we last spoke a while, i have had one association with them. and then since we last spoke after that, on the 18th of mazda the assassination attempt, and then there was another one, a few days later which i preempted. because i was informed beforehand that there was going to be a false flag operation where they would be, but from the they had people inducted within the within on my own body members, are they able to uh, they would have a shot, some police the police would have come to me and why is my life in danger? because according to or open in boys, we will sweeney the elections. so this is the election. yeah. well, you know, the 7, but you know, the mariam sharif, the daughter of the panama paperless prime minister, i give you know, as sharif who is protected in london. i don't know. british authorities are protective. mariam claimed in your body could fit into one ritual.

well, if that was the case, then they shouldn't be worried about her legs. so it's already been going hung up. the supreme court has ordered and elections according to the constitution on the 15th of may open jobs, the biggest problems 60 percent of bikes, that the number of years i would have 37 by elections. b, i my part. yes. a 30 on the same as the body, but it's the one place. why are those elections you have it? on the other hand, you did get bail and surely sure. but as you're, you've is correct in that it's only the president practiced on a government to change the bail remind period from 90 days, which it wasn't the your government to 15 days, which is why you feel free to talk to me right now. i know that's not true. you only believe if i wasn't going to come on the supreme court. how does that bind

the my arrest was all. that's why i got out. i think what the right minister was a getting at was things are pretty tough under your payment is the shipping pakistan for john list for the media for uh, well, for the economy actually, this is the biggest loss of you know, the 1st one is going to be all you have to do is not going to be could only silvio likes that published by the us government. our economy was booming a year ago. it was going to 6 percent, and it is indeed all makes. so we'll find you stop and buy in the see. i'm the see what was going on ever go jump in the math. i'll show you. my son is 17 years the government, that's the best economic performance plus the henry well, i would agree with adult 2 countries, which i'm just going by and doing the best. so that's all some. and secondly,

how can anyone compare what happened and might see an off goes to the, to the a motion lord focused on right? oh, there's complete media. my name is not allowed to be acted on media about affairs that the to day stream duration pauses it, but the doesn't listen. but we know becoming a been on or above the you're gonna compare what happened to be, what was happening my time on this slow, there's going a former prime minister, i'll stop you more from the 22nd prime minister of august on him is the chairman of the p d i in run cotton after the spring, the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the, the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the throat and bug just only by minister and run guns. you see, even though your, there you've been detained, you've been shot at your face assassination. the threats focus on seems to be on the global stage. while of course,

i think the government itself recognizes the terrible economic hardship by increasing hardship of the population of progress. then they're doing deals with china, with roger with bricks they're going to be focused on, is going to be no doubt represented in south africa as a brick summit without you. presumably you'd wanted to join us on to join the bricks. would you or the obviously there's a certain element of no, one thing i guess on in breaks because, well, china might clearly may reduce the power bricks because india would stop participating low and you know, international relationship. but my, my opening is very straightforward, focused on, became part of the lesson blog during the core war. and so, you know, we, we, we will go from russia and all the, all the, all the, but a soviet union brought in the other than add a non aligned foreign policy. so they,

they, uh, and then the one part of the blog right now in india is, is the part of the board, which is the special relationship of the us that is in that alliance. and yeah, and trans, most rush out, it just really was drawn up. i mean, not, that's how good you should have the foreign policy should be for the benefit of the people you spoke the last time. i don't know whether you want to join the b j b, but and you did just think that was about how you think you're not aligned bar as well as the, like the one body is following. is that correct of it was, oh, it has been in the non line by the pharmacy has been since the section 775 years. and so i'm wondering basically for him that honestly, but my point is the country is sure the foreign policy should be for the benefit of their own people. when you become a barbara ross or when you become part of

a conflict like by your son, but getting part of the a one job, we had a heavy price with 5000000 refugees that we had addressed to go trustworthy. going to, i'm and minute and say it didn't, but it doesn't seem to stop as a result of that. first joining the mind i've been doing during the world that are in 2000 bucks the book go. so my point is guntee, she focused on the product is to get people out of apology. it should know you think directors the way for that bricks is the way forward for that. because obviously the united states has various issues with the brakes. bank, the loading chinese for an economic policy. the problem is we have the us joining our driver. we buy. and that is a problem because, you know, is, is you have to navigate between that. but i'm china is focused on state, but it isn't the fastest growing economy. so we have to have a good relationship with china. we all know that it had for 17 years. why didn't

you borrow the money from the brakes bank instead of the washington? i am f, when you are a prime minister. well, you know, we didn't have that option. i'm afraid then we will already and then i am a program, but i came to the prime minister. and you know, we really had no choice but to go to the i am a okay, i know that there's so many opposition that might reject that any reaction that you know of from uh to the left to congressman brad sherman and the united states has won the us government, that the, there's a deteriorating situation in pakistan every time the question is us of the state department briefing. so they go, well, you know, it's an internal matter of what's happening to him or, and gun, and what's happening to the people of pockets done. then what's happening about the oil. the shipments are most go even any we did blinking reply to congressman bedroom and as far as you understand or is he ignored the latter. you might have to

explain what the less really was. but i think you enjoyed him by the us. so spoke spend yeah. all of the spent brad sherman has written to blinking at the state department saying, you know what is going on in pockets on as regards democracy as regards the imprisoning of your party members and leaders alone. what's happening to you as well? you know, i don't care what this, you know, if they don't comment about what's happening me. and frankly, i think by just something doesn't match as eventually we will have to solve it sort of problems. but my only point is, you know, how on the western countries talk about what does have the dialogue was, how big and in hong kong, a lot of the week, as a giant all about russian human rights issues. so is it only our human rights only, but a democracy in border when it comes to rivals,

should not be consistently across the board. that if you all profess ends of democracy and human rights, then shouldn't be wherever they are, why they just they should speak out because the box on right now the was human rights, human rights violations that going on and focused on right now. what did you make of the cryptic comments coming from the present government in pakistan? i mean, i don't know what you made of around a sudden ruler. the interior minister thing i the rumor and con or us will get murdered. what does that mean? because you know, if you use a non killer, i mean his own body and i that is what he's doing, but he's motivated you deeper. and so you do this for that quote. so he would deny that. what does he mean? does he mean that there is a possibility that you're going to get through these $150.00 corruption charges come out again in time for the election? what does he mean?

what it means is that if i, if data elections that i, when that someone like a group like him going to be in trouble. i think that's what he means. because every problem roman vargas on right now is that we do not have the rule of law. in other words, the people on the brakes are above it all and the majority of the population has no access to justice. they don't have no one to protect the fundamental rights as i started by moving for justice 27 years ago. why did so many? i mean, you talk about media, which you did without a free media. they no country because of democratic the numbers of john list, the went missing. when you are prime minister, why, where did they will go? i know at the moment him run, realize con is missing. since the 11th of may, i don't know if you have any update to him where he's going. but i have a list of journalists here. we went missing while you were. you were there. you know, whatever the views they hold the drum set. the news,

read javan. so even sub ledger in a gen up sir, allow me a 2nd. what happened to all these people? it, it'd be just like the, the jo let's the, let's say, and nothing to do with my government. everything was the, was with the manager establish fund because we was coming all around the water on the debt or, you know, and, and do a lot on debt or, you know, the military was very sensitive to goodness good besides that. so we had, you know, then they wouldn't pick up people, but believe me, my, don't my know when it already done this, and right now you've gone compare what happened then, what about best investigative journalist eye? surgery was 100 off of the country, unloaded. and you know, i mean see what, all jealous of the country of the country because it said for the life of every the media, is it sort of dram though? so you don't know what happened during our time and, and,

and the story and fascism which is going on right now. all other perils with donald trump. then the people, the said, people think donald trump goodwin us selection he's being banned from different media is a reason to talk. he was, it is doing a rally, and it wasn't broke as on cnn in the m, as in b. c, another channel, just one fox news. you can't get your riley's broadcast. so normally like, is there any channels? he of course, tried to negotiate with food and you were talking to boot and other power, those between you and trump, trump writing, i in the opinion polls in the united states and according to you, you are the favorite, the candidate at any future progress on the election, this is sort of going to me, it's all the open in bulls in august on plus. i mean, if you want ever, it is a body with 80 percent of the bi election. so it's obviously, you know, it is right. uh, probably the most popular, but do you know history now coming to this a comparison?

it's something different besides, but so this is i'm basically, i mean in those cases, but if it does try to, uh, uh, one of those gets loaded onto the truck and people were lost in the west. i mean, how could, how could i have submitted 9 criminal offenses when i was in june for whole days? oh good. i have coverage for the dentist. uh. then i am on for the charges up there as of what i mean, how could it be possible? imagine the isn't done about people, you know, maybe wednesday the government it's uh but that, that so you're going to compare what is out there to daughter and somebody bought a sport of the. yeah. i mean, i be judged for murder. do you know, i don't even know the guys those android good, who just getting in and and, and i remarked on and i enjoyed for murder. whereas why it says that the found due

to his son has normally had some other people come with us before his motor. so there's water is happening here, has been taken as well. do you want, do you want to be prime minister again? i know you said recently that you wouldn't to tell anyone who inspires the politics to go into politics in vegas. then again, you want to be prime minister again as i was, you know, i was asked the question, i mean about why don't take such a good that. i said, i wouldn't bother you wouldn't wish it on my enemies. i mean, a bunch sort of zillow said, the ones grand. a lot of this i looked at it as the was good to have, especially with people who can do other things. i guess, people know, gone to anything, one going to politics. but why don't take such a question? you know, like the founding father, a general, like most of my dental or like a gun be in india. i mean, when it does a mission that is completely different. for me, someone or whatever it is,

i was the same on the country. i didn't need to be in politics, but i realized that i must be a good role. which we did because we have other and these got got to in this country a small and he does is above all, i don't, it's got to the sources. so unless you have room to roll a level playing field, i've always felt up country. i don't john's yes, but when you were in how when you were in, but when you were in power, i mean this would as acetate, have been as able to is the son below? well now uh, the foreign minister of practice then said that you were only too happy with those ends. you democratic imply the democratic lead capture. as you describe your voices were supporting you, you're fine. with that, it's only when they don't like you that you are now criticizing them. these are lead, kept the dog e as dog can, absolute rubbish. it was the 1st time that we started roll against the big mafia. i

was like the sugar mafia like the petroleum i've got. it's never happened in my country before. the problem was the lead on me to see if he'd be doing anything you could do anything. and again, his daughter in law, we didn't get to the other. them off years under the role because he was connected with that. i mean, he was friendly with the the loved us. so he and he had to be doing this because he was on the ball. so so what i to connect you to bring the ball for under the law, you need a strong government. my government was a collection government we which did not have the majority. so when i, when i went to doctor mafia, i would have a problem keeping my majority. and so therefore, my conclusion is that you can only if you want to have balls and you want to bring people under the all, you gotta do it unless you come up with a prop, a majority, you know,

a problem majority. what do you think you're think you would get one right now? so just very briefly, when you be running, if all of this quote actually managed to wrap up before the next election and bug is fun. when we run for brian minister as well as cost, this is the election. yeah. i mean my part is all or what is for the election. but what are the, what is happening is the, the other, the most so scared of losing the they want to either text it the logo. so be going to knock me on 12 minutes because there's a similar called scanner. no, no, because it is on folders. so normally once it goes directly uh, disqualify it or would it be present uh which again would it be? would it be a big fos, whatever. because my apologies was do with the election when i was there because it says the public opinion never has the publics done with any one body as it stands today, which is all the parties together. i was scared on

a competing against us for 5 minutes through around contact you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday with abraham. how she had a major global fellow at the age of global institutions on the future of eligible dougherty and strengthening arab china relations. meanwhile, you can keep in touch by role social media, if it's nonsense and in your country and had to have channel going on, are going to be able to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see monday the the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get

a time time to sit down and talk the, the, the after we withdrew troops from g f, as promised. the key of authorities as their patrons usually do, through it all into the waste basket. of history were of the guarantees that they will not continue to abandon such agreements, decided by putting, displaying a key piece to feel that he says key of sign. and then sprung up pressure from his western patron from the small russian meantime, posts an african peacekeeping delegation off through its return from ukraine. at least 40 people, mostly children killed and dozens of others. abducted and named surgeon's attack on a school. in uganda. everyone's president wraps up

a tour of life in america. signing dozens of deals with what he calls like minded nations. laying the groundwork for new to both the always working hard to give you all sides of today's top stories going with st. here to talk about on this program, let's go straight into it right now. so the russian president vladimir putin and basically showing proof of a crucial piece deal that he says he have signed and then scrapped up on pressure from his western sponsors. he made those comments while hosting an african peacekeeping delegation. and since we did not agree with you quite inside that this deal would be confidential. but we also never disclosed it or commented on it. the draft of this agreement was initialed by representative of the head of the negotiating group from t of he put his signature there. here it is when

he used it's called the treaty on permanent neutrality and guarantees for the security of ukraine. it contains 18 articles and there was also an appendix is provisions concerning the armed forces and many other things. everything is written there down to units of military equipment and personnel of the armed forces. here's the document, it is initial, but after we withdrew troops from t f, as promised, the key of authorities as their patrons usually do, through it all into the waste basket of history. were of the guarantees that they will not continue to abandon such agreements. i think it's quite remarkable that the lodging there put in felt the need to bring this agreement to his meeting with the african leaders. in my opinion, it shows the significance. he attaches to these mediation efforts as well

as rushes reputation because uh, i think what he's trying to do is to counter west a narrative that the russian military operation in ukraine came absolutely on per bolt on the western media and western officials like to present it as a, this cruel attempt to grab your print, entire true, where in fact uh, in the view of the russian president, what russia does is defending its own legitimate security concerns and in ukraine. and he was very straightforward in describing russian perspective in front of the african leaders. he said that the, uh, that agreement that he actually demonstrates it to them had this title on permanent neutrality and security guarantees it to ukraine. and that it was essentially the status was a secure distribution in europe, off to the end of the cold war. now uh, according to the rest of the president, uh, the kremlin remains open to o. uh, peace facilitation initiatives. as long as they are on,

on the principle off of fairness and recognition of legitimate security interest of all sides. um, he's saying the african leaders for understanding the context, all of that conflict um not submitting to western pressure. now the african gas on the side side that they also have a practical, uh, national uh, security uh, interest in a solving the ukrainian conflict because africa happens to be one of the most affected by uh, the uh, food crisis. um, the, the rising inflation when it comes to commodities when it comes to fertilizers when it comes to brains. here is uh, what the african leaders had to say during his meeting with the russian president. it has provoked problems in the field of energy and food security and unprecedented

crisis in its nature. and he showed you already to support task in removing the obstacle solve this conflict. thanks to you and all the actors like to t a. m p u and we manage to pause the grain deal. i am confident that russia, one of the foremost nations of the you and implemented member of the security council will observe the you and tell to as a continent we are being negatively affected in terms of why economies. the prices of commodities have gone up particularly grain and fits. eliza in the process of fuel have also gone off and this is a consequence of the war that is ongoing. we would like to see further engagements with regards to the processes that were leads to the end of this will. still, we decided to come to your country at this moment as

a delegation that represents the african continental. and thus, who'd like to demonstrate to you our friendship, which has always existed between russia and africa? for the more we came to listen to you as who used to hear the voice of the russian people. today we are facing these crisis. not only does it have an impact on to friendly brotherly neighboring countries, but it also has repercussions for the whole world. and in particular, it has an impact on our applicant continent for the time being uh, the so called black sea deal, which uh, foresees the uninhibited expert, the few craney and wade and russian greens and fertilizers to the global markets. uh, he's working on paper, but the russian side of the deal is being actively sabotaged by western countries out there was one other important subject to that one and mentioned that came out as

a result in this meeting and at it was on the subject of refugees especially children that were removed from ukraine or that change that location. as you may know, the international criminal court earlier issued an arrest warrant for the russian president during the charges of forcefully removing children from your praying. and one of the points of the peace proposal that was brought by the african delegation here to st. petersburg concluded the return of those children uh to their families, to which lottie may put inside the russian never objected to that. and many of the children that were moved to russia from the conflict area were our friends opposed to do to estimate the children they are sacred. we were taking them out of the conflicts own saving their lives and their health. no one intended to separate children from their families. we were transferring entire orphanages. this was done as usually legally,

as they were officially represented by the heads of those establishments. we've never been against children, reuniting with their families in case their relatives appear. there are no obstacles to that. there have been none, and there will never be any. so, so you machine as the russian leader read to write that russian remains open to amy piece proof of puzzles when it comes to ukraine or when it comes to the way international system should be around here. uh, stress that uh, every country has a key interest in being solver and in having its territorial integrity protected. but the principles of the un charter should apply equally to old. they should not be cherry pick um that if all countries subscribe to the same standard or, or the same international uh las rather than uh, cherry picked rules uh, selected by sidney

a group of countries them and only them security and peace could be insurance for all well rushes far administers. okay, allow for off he got involved, he's welcome. they 10 point piece proposal from south africa's latest saying it reflects principles that moscow support please don't put on my for that. which though this prison grammar foods announce the 10 closest our colleagues identify. and among the well known 12 points of the chinese proposal, those parts that are close to their position include, guaranteeing that there are no double standards, that all human principles are respected, that there are no unilateral sanctions or attempts to ensure one's own security at the expense of the security of others, those are the fundamental approaches that we share. our partners from the african unit have shown an understanding of the true causes of the crisis created by the west. it is necessary to get out of the situation by address some of these causes to the development of concrete actions to eliminate them. since these are what has

been undermining justifiable security on the european continent for many years of. but as we were talking earlier to i, lo been the hub also called the university of zambia, who, who says that the geo political importance of the african continent is growing. and african countries independently coming up with their own piece initiative for ukraine might have come, was a bit of a surprise to southern western pounds. i think now if it goes to what you are increasing, when you look at, you know, the, the, they've got into, you know, create the global architecture. we have sort of, you know, uni pullout and that's basically benefits the west where the united states of america udall. i book the dictates what off it gosh, would do and you know, our african countries would leave. so we fist conflict. we often strengthen ties between ad i saw on the often conditions where, you know, they have right increasing roll olympics in the global trade, global politics. so off we got coming up with that initiative and then being