because hi shelly, this most was built in the 7th century by the uncle of our profit. i started off. and this most is still existing on this most is really one of the oldest most in the world. and the all the oldest, most in china. when i went there and i asked him to ideas with the other um, with plans the chinese, most times i realized that they were actually having a happy life. um, very prosperous, a life on a lot of them were on a and running businesses. so just going back to the point of, you know, why just, you know, have this relation, what time it is all on these china, china, why china? it's because china is growing rapidly and is providing us with opportunities. yeah . the, you are very clear there. and actually i want you to get onto that fake uh, hoax, news from, from ginger yang that we covered here on going underground as an agent. nation media was reading that propaganda are about circle genocide in as in jack. but you

know, your screen stopping occasionally. i didn't know whether that's the sanctions on huawei technology. you know, there's a battle going on. uh, frankly, i mean, uh, what's the significance of a m b s meeting with the blinking, blinking go straight there. um, to saudi arabia and then cool is boots in immediately afterwards. is this a more proof that the 0 sum game is over, but because of these trade dies, if it ever became a 0 sum game, the global south, the building road initiative, the rejuvenation of the, as you said, the millennial old relationship is, is the 1st choice i'm not sure whether because there are choices to be made here. i think of the region as a whole. i'm the regional leaders and people they want to be open to all options available. they don't want to restrict their, their options. so you talking about the meetings that recent meetings,

and this is also a sign off of the past 2 neutrality of the region of the arts. we don't want to be passive passively neutral. we don't want to be, you know, sick by sitting up by not really contributing to global peace to global prosper and cancer and so forth. so it says something about, but you notice when there was this art summit, the reason in the late the latest our summit, the president of the ukraine, was invited to make his case to the ours. but then the next day, or a couple of days later, the master all saw interior from russia arrived, although he was section by, by the west, by us, the western countries. but it was welcome in our region, why it's a signal to the world that we are not really taking size and we don't have to take sides. um, there are really uh for example, like a sofa ukraine, ukraine conflict. if there is

a possibility of the arms to contribute to finally, you know, bring it in and, and do this really tragic of conflict. why not? we offer our services and we will try to mediate and help us altered um, and that's our role. and we don't want to excise because we know that if we pick size, we will be losing, we will be losing whatever we choose to west for china or any other party. so for us, we are really are interested, determined to maintain the security strategic autonomy and we have every right to maintain that kind of me. and i think at this point in time, nobody in the world, nothing in the world can actually a stop us from being a strategically autonomy. so in other words, a go. there are people in the west and the united states,

or who have had demonic convictions. they want to really come and dominate the region. well, if you asked me over the last 20 years, just as the rack for this is what's been happening here, we have been trying to really dominate the region. we have been trying to really hijacked the sovereignty of the region and they failed and they failed to, you know, measurable in a now at this point in time. but the reason is actually the recovery on the get it out of the misery. but all i read the foreigners, all of them the, the reason the originally there's the regional people cannot really give up this strategic autonomy. so if you just go back to your point, it looks like there is a classroom visions between what a region wants to. so what the region, all people regional leaders, one for their region and what some people, not everybody, some people in the united states and in the west,

one for the region of this point in time. we are experiencing dramatic transformations known the in our region on so regional level, it's the amount of changes happening at the global level, some of the levels at this point in time. i don't think anybody has power to stop the arms of the drum really developing and pursuing their development programs regardless of what others think about these programs and very much i'll stop you there more from the agent global fellow at the age of global institute of university of hong kong, after this break, the, the the,

the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here would be full of a strategy advisor to determine if you have a job executive office here in the u. a ever him passion. you're talking about

sovereignty for the i will the regain sovereignty for this region. but i don't know whether you remember, we, you know, when you were not in one joe, but where we never dubey advising the executive office in, in the u. a here. you know, there are 5000 maybe us soldiers at the base, so they'll definitely a basement area. but we don't know how many soldiers us soldiers are in saudi arabia, 3000 and print sold on ebay. so you're saying, yeah, this is great news already. i mean, uh you think it, any of these meetings people ask why the, why you, why the americans using your countries as a basis for basis. all right, so what were you going to keep in mind when, when there is a group of 5 troops and one lined, we must read and recognize that there is a mutual understanding of mutual interest between the 2 sides. so the region for

some time has been trying to develop its own security military capacity and the security agreements or security relations or military relations that you know, they arms have with united states. i don't think they will end, they will stop. they have been useful, helpful for both sides. so at this point in time, i don't think the arms want to just send everything and just, you know, i say ok, we want to be top and we don't want anybody to be involved. and our region i go to, i don't know how they are helpful because i want to be with us that do you think there are growing questions about, say, the patriot missile purchasing by the saudi arabian government, when the drone attack happened during the ram goes facilities and failed, i mean, i was here 20 years ago with the defense exhibition where rates dealing with marketing these patriot. and it says, do you think a growing understanding and comprehension in the or will that these multi 1000000000 dollar contract august leave somebody say, keeping these american homes companies in business. it may not be the wisest way to spend money,

and it's better to make deals with china or in the global $1000.00 breaks countries and just keep supporting the us defense industry infrastructure, a lease relations. and so the security and military relations are long term strategic and they're not really involved one system. they're not about the fishery a lot of defense system. they are really a wide range. are you going to include a lot of saw items and yards on already asking anybody to come on and defend them? uh, the arms i've been getting most of their what are you from, from the west, from united states and from your and of course, uh to have uh, uh, uh, to be more sent to you. in the economist, you will gradually try to diversify the sources across the country. so um, i do know that recently i been growing agreements contrasts between the arb region

. so some other uh, some are countries. what other uh, nation. so with russia with china, what presented with india and toner software. and so these are all efforts to really ensure that we have a diverse uh set of, uh, military um security suppliers so that we are not really beholden by anybody. we are not the mercy of anybody, and this is one major less and i think they are a people and they are about leaders. me blinking and buying the basically i'm not sure these, they officially, they kind of a pussy food around what they think. but you know, they kind of condemn normalization between arab countries and syria or iran. what do you think the higher? well, i mean, china are obviously must just life. but the fact that united states is condemning what amounts to piece. what do you think countries think when the that the state department people go what you know, we should know. well, what do you think about normalization and they just go? no,

it shouldn't. you shouldn't be normalizing ties. i the radio and the way they shouldn't be normalizing ties with these countries that should be doing the enemies. i don't know. i think i officially, they haven't actually said this. so unfortunately, the, i've been saying, okay, this is good and we hope that it's going to be benefiting the units on. and so for, of course, uh, uh, uh, unofficially, uh, we have, there are some statements made that, you know, this may be going to be determined joel to their position within the region. after all of these decisions are solved and decisions are made based on the interest of the arms of the region, iran as part of the region. and so the most sides of the gulf, historically for a little bit of time, i've had a lot of control diffusion and fusion, a lot of cultural civilization, all exchanges and we have really strong trade ties, etc,

so forth. and now that we are really realize you've got maybe at this point in time to really insure civility for our region 9 to grow it together. maybe we have to really explore options that we both sides. so we just, you know, i'll find, i'll come around her back to the trade is difficult in this region because of caesar, sanctions of western european and american sanctions. because you keep talking about sovereignty. but you know, that the united states will start saying will start sanctioning countries in this region if they do business as they please down to the area solving. well, i'm not sure how many are countries really fall on? the seas are sections. i'm not sure. i'm not sure whether i need money within the region following that caesar sanctions. i know you might have to just explain what they are to our audience because they're not given much publicity. the, you know,

the unprecedented level of attempts to hurt populations in the arab world. the and the yeah my my i think the, the lease option is not a these are not really are you in an acted sanctions they are usually laterally put by, by united states and, and verification, washington and brussels and then yeah, yeah. of course. yes. yeah. so so uh, so for us, um we don't have to follow the sanctions. why should we follow sanctions and put in place up by you put them placing and naturally by united states or europe and they are in our opinion. they aren't really just, you know, harming the people of syria. not really are me the government, the government can actually additional work out ways to, to survive. and it has survived more than 10 years. and it's the people that have been really suffering. and the regional people, the regional countries, and the regional auditors want to really help alleviate the suffering that's

happening and, and, and, and syria. i personally think this is a major tragedy. what happened to syria is a major try to strategy, and the army and different parts of the art world wanted to wherever they can't really accelerate the process of re, uh, re normalizing the situation in syria. i'm bringing, sorry, i'm back to the global stage, actually moving all these tests after exercises says, oh, well, what's happened to reconstruction work? what's happened to all the islam is the violence that used to be leading the news before the invasion, the before the war between russia in the us and through you. great. what's happened to at all? why is it suddenly stopped? have you been suspicious of other people been suspicious? the old is a, is list groups seem to just disappeared since the united states focused on one

support give i don't. it's no secret who uses these people on terrorism in general in our region to advise their interest on these people. um, so the islamist on the other is the outside on the outside, the affiliated groups and others that have been used as a tool. so really the civilized, certain parts of our region to as an attempt to really hijack their sovereignty. and this is why most of the regional countries have been demanding that whoever you know, whether a country has nationals and syria come on, kick them to come back to your countries. just, you know, deal with them. and they don't want to do that. and if you just see where the saw i slammed the slide there, so i don't want to call them. i do want to use the word to sign in their name. these really barbaric terrace. a lot of them, a major portion of them actually came from the west and in the region. you

know, the last up more than 10 years, the regional agencies are intelligence agencies and now they're in government organizations. i've gathered, you know, mountains and mountains of evidence of intelligence. who are these people are where they were change and who supported them financially, who, which i supported them and i just wanted to, so forth. so if you know the world things that the region and the regional countries, and i know who these people are and who is behind them, i think they are mistaken. the regional countries already know what's going on. and officially, of course, was actually a go us view as denies it in the british intelligence services. you know, i, we wouldn't have time to go into the changing lives. people can watch our program about the so called we were genocide. how do you think the by the administration might be able to sabotage august's a brick summit and what hopes and fears do you have for the break summit in august

in south africa? i'm not sure of the brakes countries on the in unlighted countries. so we'll, after listen to, you know, the non parties to the summit. i think the breaks will have to just, you know, focus on their agenda and they have a lot of saw items on their agenda. one of which is basically the thinking about how to introduce and you are kind of see and also how to expand breaks as we know that there's a, there's a lot of discussion about breaks uh plus and you are using their idea in egypt and iran aware and by that and then the are, i mean, this facility and m r i t or ministers where they're physically underwriting a farmer. so was there physically on the addiction app or mr. connected us through? i can zoom or something there actually. anyway, so,

so base is the us that is actually trying to drive this a global multiple r t. and there are so many countries interested in and joining as you know, we have uh now, so in your area, we have a u, a n and egypt and a couple of other countries are interested in naturally by joining some within a 19. i'm not gonna make some sources around 30 countries are interested and if the oil exports in countries like you, i use or your idea and others i joined, it's going to be really a huge, huge group. ah, it will bring the energy producers. i was actually asked humans drivers, i have very much time would love to talk about this. advertise after the meeting and see what the united states and nato nations did to the brings countries ever. i'm asking, thank you so much. thank you. thank you. and that's it. for the show when we're back on saturday with a brand new episode, until the end, you can keep in touch firewall as social media. if it's not expensive,

then your country and add to our travel going on the go on tv and revel. don't come to watch new and old episodes of going on the grants. so you said the, so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get

a time time to sit down and talk the the, [000:00:00;00] the welcome to was a part of french in need is a friend. indeed, the russians are fond of repeating the same, but they could hardly expect that when faced with west sanctions and a parcel have like efforts to ostracize all things russians and the black continents will reach out. it's con, most african countries are neutral in the print in conflict and some have even

expressed a willingness to mediated kenneth, we to a peaceful solution. to discuss that i'm now joined vice lousy. well homie founder and chief executive officer of ladies in the front lines. it's great to talk to you . thank you very much for your time. thank you so much. it's an honor to be sitting in front of one of my favorites presents as of our team. so sometimes, uh, actually we, we have a very timely uh time before for this discussion that i handed some jo, political latest, jo, political developments and main conduction. but i want to start with the, with the title of the organization that you represent. ladies in the front line will even such paradoxical times when even the most basic and foundational concepts are being read, negotiated, or debated. so i have to ask you, who are the ladies, how are they different from women? and what about men and gentlemen,

ladies in the front line was a, a lot of bones almost 20 years ago. and it was ladies in the front line funding. nice things came from a church, someone way. these were ladies, is a church that were leading in business in charge of issues and entertainment. so we traded on ladies in the front line for 5 years before we actually registered the company. so when we went and wanted to reduce the leaders in the front line, we were told none of the names already know has been taken. so we have 12 inches that is leading ladies of africa. so we been registered leading leaders and treated as the latest for if there's going to it's leading ladies of also kind of the world which was the fest leading ladies of africa. and as we started shopping around the world and becoming global, other women around the world says,

why don't you include us? why is it only africa? so we've been added in the wells. but the ladies in the front line was about see me leaders around the world and then leading ladies of africa and the world is, was actually now years now, but this uh, frontline part of it is very interesting because, i mean we leave in the, in a world where wars and conflicts and multiplying, but i think one of your found at the organization you meant that even in the peaceful areas like business and the car, the women to the performer and succeed. yeah. is it still the case? yeah, it's still the case actually finding enough we started using tension and everything was latest. and then we amazed that we ended up with 70 percent. they made a controlled entity, 30 percent of men who do not mind be led by women. i still have some people who are

actually even close friends, but that have my differences in us. yes. and them in and they have no qualms about in public. i've been working with them in brakes and although they still call me check it and sometimes i forget my sense of its way to them. just say truth. and so, so it's actually 50 percent of very strong and, and young people we have, we seen it's young, 1000000 young leaders around the world for peace, prosperity and social cohesion. now a number of african countries are randy, uh, well represented and they have a work presentation of women and governing structures in business. for example, in, in ronda, they account for about 50 percent of government officials and 60 percent of problem and tyrants. but they haven't yet endangered a very noticeable change is it's really about women or ladies or the particular gender, or rather the values and the principles,

the qualities that we traditionally associates with feminine to that may or may not be invited by man i think was really of when it was never about, i have a challenging man to say it was just saying, if i'm here and i'm making a contribution, if i'm here even in this office, even if i'm making change, i do have a place of a table and i was just the pressing the passes by with the tray of cheese. i will clean my space as a person because we will work together as a teen, men and women make of what you get up and do not let us be somewhere even a bare ground because as we know english or you have a history of the light which i'm in the history is like those in china now you have the best remembering the front line a was and that the editor of

a basically is just me missing. i mean, with, we don't coming in saying one to push a man, we are some feminist a but we, i they as women or as ladies and i have a favorite saying codes and it says, never has it ever been a time with it? is that which is needed, which is women and lives in a site because whether we liked what we call exist as human beings and across this um kinda world, uh, so literally, you know, as i was preparing for this interview, i came across the figure that in africa, 70 percent of women are employed in informal secretaries of the economy to be the great economy, or they're doing some important work at home, taking care of the children, taking care of the elderly, often times when man leave, for example,

because of the conflict they take care of the entire communities and i understand sort of the applied of encouraging women to go into the form of labor for us. but i also wonder if um this informal part of what women do in society should also be acknowledged and properly rename. or even if everybody lease home from work who's going to take care of that huge part of life, you know, passing on the traditions passing on care. you know, what about that? fortunately, x really, the leading ladies is about stuff from the, the premises. let's the women's culture at least as a, as a solve for can, in, in, in our cars shows that the man, when i was to the former labor, they go like to the mines which are out to the end of the areas. and the women were the ones that actually took care of homes and stayed at home. these were women extra anywhere in the front. i knew the sense but there would be no mens going to

work in the was hoping to taking care of. so those are the women a so living ladies we have across but it's not just into the formal specter. it is women were plenty of guiding them back yet so that they keep the children. it's why the menus do the former way. so those exist within, i was actually playing or i came with the women who are not actually told them that actually they, they are more on from the civil society that they v like going on. they helping women in the real intervals and helping with the development. if you hear that there's a bridge that's pulling all of the kids come close over to go to school. those are the women, the junk food, and call, the former one says what do we do to? so it's a, it's, it's intuitive. when it comes to that, it's just women living in everest. it, it's not just formal, it's into treatment is women. what housewives insist, i think it's really just because if,

if this re midway not taking care of the whole summer doesn't have to be out of the page of grandma would have to take care of the kids. so we don't forget those. i come from a family of those strong women. i only lost my 96 year old grandmother. left in my mother is 83. she's a life. so i always come from woodstock to brittany size women and i've seen that. so i come from those types of women, but they have always been very strong and lived in my example. i think there is a lot of commonalities here between africa and russia. would actually say that africa, like russia is a she, it has and you know, vast resources and norms for until it in all areas. uh, lots of generosity and, you know, huge expansive potential. but i think in both cases that potential remains ida

not fully realized or sometimes exploited by the outside or what can possibly change that in your view. yeah, actually you as soon as your colleagues, probably the reason why i have this is this hi ashley. its recognition and feel at home in the issue is because in the same way, like i say it's my own, but bush kinda knows about the ship because of me. she passed away a month after they came back from russia and she knew of our it's true. so where are you going this time? i say russia then i'm sure him. and when i came says bring to those suites of different have life suites. i recently do teaching women, for instance, when, cuz when they say own mainstream media about russia, which is just conflict with ukraine. when we come and say this is and then the like, new, new, new show them say google the, the, the, the 1st is that night,