tv Interview RT June 19, 2023 9:30am-10:01am EDT
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who will lead the, including african states, and the j 20 is fair. and in line with today's new global reality of multi polarity, we, the people union consume the jeep, let the people who benefit you couldn't be as well, because then what would happen. so once we have to walk to the wars going please be, be on the affordable grid, these likely become the law just for be well, no, i just pretty much the institution just next to the united nations. and do you want me to do sure, if we see them, bill, if you go the shadow, all the rules, the word was ordered a little more. what do you need to order? these are changing very, very quickly, like not beating by strategic sense of the only sense. and then that's kind of what you mean. the other piece from africa, why guns they have the ability to the pool for people to use these things
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to kinda inform everything from it because you don't want to give them the additional via for you. what and sir to put in with a gene. so when they expire, so any expansion of the g to at least based on member of consensus, how likely is this? is this proposal to succeed? and what would the fe ramifications be if they were any is, is one of the major hasn't budgets and you have this kind of dependent machine, you seem to be held in india. so these little swing bay for india, we've also here with a child about in the last year end of the page. and they're also going to push for this week for us to decide if these are difficult for what kind of is made in the kind of make child companies like advice yet, because they've always, you'd actually get it in. but if you look at the, with the, the, a always views actually got it with this kind of a horse. and like the missing sheet with the,
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with the light is actually got be the whole us. so it's going to be a bit difficult for them. i sent you guys a table a but i believe that is we say that the world is changing. we have a lot of categories applied for and made it in europe. the kind of is that i'm going to be open minded, at least for the inclusion actually got. so i feel like it's going to succeed because there's a lot of good loop. formulas of possible kind of is, is going to succeed in the width is might just be, may not make it. i don't think they have a choice yet. they have to paypal. the votes are being counted in the west african nation of modeling to decide whether the country will adopt a new constitution ahead of next year's presidential election. those back in the move say it will enhance the country sovereignty. if approved, it would be a significant step then the government's moved to hand power back to civilian institutions and away from the military rules has been in place for the last 2 years. political unrest has played molly,
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including to cruise in the last 3 years and an ongoing jihadist insurgency and the rule north french troops had also been stationed there to combat care for almost a decade, although they pulled out last year. here's a local reporter with more details. molly owns across the country out in the larger numbers or toward the end of the history google for on the, on, in new, close to, to see on this end the tools that has been, they've gone through this of what i need to remove a from a west on a domain, and so they both the a to point to for a millions of citizen where it is able to participate in a vote the from the social can click on a make has a little because the is the vote. the end of this career, how to avoid things, something in the capital above my co, many and the bodies believe refund them is an important that this bill for money is that process the one on the government as well as the looks to watch the picture of these mission here out issue with the action from
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a voters of the you see the by the constitution is the fundamental out of the republic and determines all of the laws. we all have to be able to say yes or no to this constitution. it allows you to be a true member of the country to be a citizen. for me, these vote is essential if we don't vote on the fundamental law, what are we going to vote on and voting for my own safety? i advise people to come and vote. there's a special because we are going through difficult times, and people need to vote to change that. france has been, involves militarily, and that's the whole region of raleigh for years. although critics say there's been little tangible results. malia and authorities have even accused sprint, so providing information and weapons to terrorists. parents launched operation, barking in 2014 to quality hottest in certain seats that attack the area french present a manual micron announced the end of the operation last year, but said troops would remain in the region under new arrangements. meanwhile,
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a paris back paintings published a report, recognizing rise in anti french sentiment in africa, and they can close. there's only one thing to blame. russia. speeches against french policy have proliferated in recent years, in french speaking africa. this has of function in the politics of so it's in french speaking african countries, mainly to designate, to escape good. indeed, the french pulse is used by african political leads to explain disappointing political economic go security pods. in some countries helped by russian entities, really co systems have even developed on social networks, producing anti french campaigns. the president of the african freedom institute, dr. franklin now m. c was mentioned in the report. he spoke to archie and was frank and his view of the assessment as well as french foreign policies towards africa. the result of the i for is not scientific. i've told because there is no cd or
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stuff. we can not use all african problems. we show up start any kind of responsibility from the ethic on side and accuse a you know, lots of out of reason, sides and all these plants. in fact, france has never legal nice each multi uh, sick who hours on stability in africa and dfcs, bought by slaves played quantization. neil coolness nice as shown and know many tardies or condition money tell the domain nation files has never met. it is a joy, no mentor, to see what is to be put in and what is what must be ended. and that is why in fact they pretend that that they have been deep. uh, we chose and like this kid, good of african people do they know it does because there is no just do some
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documentation and that price has never paid for full or did. these are just, it has brought in opposite the report of the i f. i is just a complaint of a meal put on the, on the power losing. it's all you just defy advantage on of the because of the weekends. uh, what coming mo, an every way i sort of want to put a name to 6. i sent you a piece of donation defaults update. yeah, it does not intend to adobe next euro or to dominate. i mean, i think god intends to be free. so, but i do decided by insight in that use in fucked up a problem for many 40 to kind of a leasing process because they have never worked out as the possibility of a slavish power. we don't like this and we don't exploiting. i think it is time to get in for us to think annual flash probably read out. i'll click on exploitation. we got we got i think i just for the issue. and that is the intellect drugs video
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of the phrase party to calculate that they are on able to imagine a fresh bible we don't operate can do munitions. we don't, don't mean that you operate in light of france as jack a long struggle to combat the g. hardest threat in molly last year, the country invited russian military instructors to train his armed forces with rushes private military company. wagner stepping in. here's doctor franklin. now i'm say again on the historical ties between russia and africa. in fact, the relationship between us, because in the rush, you sort of a memory of a load of foods of struggle it gets colder and yeah, these are doing the transcripts sent to what many people are trying to forget the that africa has a lot of gratitude concerning roche, because when the soviet union embarked in its sites in the applicants
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troubling against the west, and colonial powers are free. can people recognize that we don't have this model? how can i say in dependencies, we tend to wind up pushing. so that is the total of the relationship between, between african in, in our ships to the model. oh, click on us seeking a way to break the new code on the condition of trans ends of western pulse. beijing has a washout at washington saying that by increasing its military presence near china, the us is instigating a potential conflict. you find expected military conflict where to arise between china and the us. it would not be caused by china taking provocative moves of sending military vessels and jets to a la or anywhere off the coast of california. rather, it would be triggered by us warships or plains close to china's territory in
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dealing with the country. the size of china mutual respect is the ground rule. this comes as the rest secretary of state anthony blanket is invasion for talk. so reports claim he will be meeting the chinese leader, but his official schedule started states. otherwise, the strategies for administer the stress, but taiwan is at the core of asians interest. the most important issue and the most prominent risk political analyst alex report, or if he believes that military maneuvers by washington in the china region makes lincoln's diplomatic objectives invasion redundant. so it's in a blink of an eye that so much attention. china is going to be put on it. i did not see any red carpet being rolled out for anthony in his i guess cumulation tour as i call it. i mean, where is joe biden? in this, i mean, shouldn't he be visiting a china to try to work this out? we put a, a, a, you know, diplomatic person in charge here and the blinking,
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and he's scared of an air balloon a few months ago. so i don't see much is going to come from this at all. it would be like having a war ships off uh, you know, the west coast of california. uh, that would never happen. uh from, you know, chinese military or its navy would not to put its destroyers just off the shores of, you know, los angeles. it would be an absolute ludicrous move. but yet, here we see the americans being very provocative, trying to see how close and how productive they can get to china. and i don't know, we could see a mistake potentially happen here in the future. kit has dismissed a piece attempt by african leaders claiming they are pursuing their own geo political goals. that dr. south africa rejected ukrainian claims. the russia targeted kiev with missiles and groans. while the delegation was visiting on saturday. the, the effort and delegation had no goal for settling the conflict or finding
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a solution. obviously, this is not, their task is not on their level or their competency. they just want to be on the information agenda and resolve their own issues like increasing the amount of resources they receive primarily from russia, including food supplies. the most important thing that they had to do was that the information task in favor of russia by saying they don't see in the me. so i on the air that it all was enough to direction a fabrication. this was a primitive attempt to win at the information warfare. so was the operative piece. delegation winds up, its visit, the key of st. petersburg that seems to crime you like the term was probably due to failure long before it even started. little fortunately for the spin mazda think you have the africans where i'm playing ball, saying they'd heard nothing of this terrible russian attack on diplomacy. i didn't see any explosion or had an explosion. that's what do we say? no, we have that in the morning. a decision today we went to put you and in the time we
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arrived and the time we went to put you, in fact, we did not witness any explosion which is not the to and, and the source. and i looked at it or no, we didn't hear it. but did you go to bump shelter today? no, no, no i didn't go to for the present was taken this. of course, the reality remains that it's not african companies weeping. vast prophets from the conflict in ukraine. is it? no, it's nato's vice military industrial complex. that's on to a winner with the grimy nexus between american politics and profit, ensuring that this terrible piece word is kept firmly out of the landscape briefing notes. let's face it the last time he was allowed to negotiate community did the unthinkable and sign a piece deal. we did not agree with you quite inside that this deal would be confidential, but we also never disclosed it or commented on it. as the draft of disagreement was
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initialed by a representative of the head of the negotiating group from t of he put his signature there. here it is it's called the treaty on permanent neutrality and guarantees for the security of ukraine. it contains 18 articles and there was also an appendix is provisions concern, the armed forces and many other things. everything is written there down to units of military equipment and personnel of the armed forces. here's the document, it is initial, but after we withdrew troops from t of as promised, the key of authorities as their patrons usually do, through it all into the waste basket of history. were of the guarantees that they will not continue to abandon such agreements. considering the limits, the deal would have put on the size of the ukrainian army. it's hardly surprising that you're trying to biggest arm suppliers,
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the americans and the brits. paul kept the deal on a warrant him to fight on. after all, it's only you craniums and russians dying, why london and washington speaking weapons makers, caching and commentary, means that green is using its own weapons less and less often. what else? it is increasingly using weapons that the western countries are providing. i q, the predictable war hawks, the big names instrumental in stoking this conflict on a lining up behind the and the peace movement. peddling a false narrative, the any settlement the ends, the fighting will be bad for ukraine. ignoring the grim reality that the alternative is probably ukraine's complete an order to seize. we believe the prerequisites a meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger ukraine, capable of detouring and defending against any future aggression, those calling for peace, that is really a ceasefire. i should recognize, but it's not to justin doable peace. no one wants peace more than president
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zalinski and the people of ukraine. while this conflict but done with the ukrainian army being supported by nato. it's no natal being supported by what's left of ukrainian military and savvy for your client. it seems the perpetual war cold in washington and london have bond its proxy and kia from even mentioning a peace deal with russia and was not surprising. well, that's easy, as i say in washington, it's their blood an arrow bullets to go further in depth on this. let's cross alarm now to narnia bowler molar executive director of the human sciences research council. think tank. narnia is great to have you on the program today. now africa has been playing a greater geo political role in the world as of late, and is now propose a peace plan for the war and ukraine. by key, i've has rejected the move. what do you think they've got against that plan? thank you very much for having me on the show. it's very difficult time to stand
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why anyone would reject a piece plan. we are sitting in a situation where the whole world is affected by this conflict. even though it's very far away, and that's the case being evicted, then of course that becomes x and it's based interest. and. and so they was this attempt that was made and it was a journey that was both the success in some senses because africa deployed federal. so it does not seem to have been a complete success a game. it is difficult to tell why one would reject any clue for peace. i'm, and as i say, this is a big thing. the world is the fixing energy security and food security on the african continent. and of course we as africans are very concerned about that. but that is not who it is affecting the entire world, still politics and,
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and bringing it forward. something that is akin to the core. yeah. now, when it comes to what was said at the praying, presidential adviser claims that the african piece plan was just quote, an information task in favor of russia, and that africa had no goal for settling the conflict. do you think that that's a fair accusation, and why do you think that he would say something like that? you know, i do not think it is a fair accusation at all. um, south africa and africa very well. 9 for seeking piece where the cool side and seeing the guns i need in order to do this, to be immediate to as a nelson my president nelson monday in the present toggle of becky and presidents around the pose a once we cannot music mediate when we are making accusations to take a non alliance. don's means that we need to listen to both sides of the story and
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decide for ourselves as africa as south africa and is africans. uh what, what we would like to see. i'm coming from this price. it's and of course, who would like to see piece. so i think give me a to z, ations, run an applicant, disregard, or unfair. the mission was a very large one. it was a very difficult one and expensive and logistically complex we had african need is going into an area which is very, i'd say in many respects and i think that it was good. well, yeah. and being accused of not being a contingency off of the people who are seeking peace and doing so as treated well is, is really, i think, completely unfair. yeah. they're certainly as a lot at stake here and we'll continue to keep an eye on it. human sciences research council, think tank, executive director narnia buller molar. thank you so much for your time and
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analysis. thank you. and that's all for now. be sure to check out our t. com for all the latest breaking news and updates. we'll see you right back here at the top of the hour the the i'm action or time, see, and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. a major geo political shifts are underway in the middle east, as the us reduces its presents that are off to failures in iraq and afghanistan, and is washington pivots towards the end of pacific. china was begun the feeling
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that void with this new of you can only can diplomatic moves, mediating regional conflict and strengthening ties with our partners who have shown more agency and autonomy in the wake of nature as proxy war and russia through ukraine. joining me to discuss the implications of china's rising influence in the middle east is abraham. actually, i'm asia, a global fellow with the age of global university institute at the university of hong kong, as well. the strategy advisors in the chat. and if you happen to have the executive office a thank you so much, i ever him for coming on billions of dollars then in the past few days, signed off with the arab joining the business conference. what. what is this business conference, and what's the significance of all these deals being signed as well? western europe, uh, being in germany's in recession this business conference brace together. we are above businesses. the are a bunch of new wars. the are uh, hosted one enterprises with doors from china and on the china midland, also from hong kong to slower opportunities to see how they can actually work
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together. especially now uh that uh, both sides are really more. i get a more familiar with each other on both sides. uh, i see uh, paternity saw and, and their relative or uh, respective uh, market. so for example, the, our world especially in the gulf region, is the major region uh for uh, oil and gas. its a major uh supplier of crude oil uh to china and china gets around 40 percent of its, uh, oil imports from the region and uh for the arm. so china is a major, uh, crude oil market and the field on no, really only related to energy, oil and gas. uh, they are really abroad and a really long range. and they uh include a technology innovation and 1st search are and so on and so forth. as you know,
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the are countries almost all of them or part of b r i the most ambitious initiative in human history. it's more than 10 times the marshal, applying the post world war to a marshall plan. and there are so many opportunities are provided by this initiative. and also this initiative has a vision to really bring the world closer together. the built in road initiative causes that's not what you hear about in how you will need to propaganda need a media propaganda. and on the airport is worried about, i mean, i don't know what happened to it, but joe biden's reported consequences for mom had been selma. and if this idea rabid didn't do what it was told to about oil production, the new ones, the scan about what biden might do, or well, i'm not sure whether the regional leaders and the regional people really pay
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attention to what foreigners say about their bilateral relations what i china, or with any of the other nation. uh these are really a solver and decisions made by sovereign countries. so they are countries, they really look into the future and they want to close the really tragic panful as after of the last 20 years. since 2003, as we all know, iraq was admitted. i'm in my opinion, it was, it was of course, illegally embedded and rock has been destroyed. and just then the region has been going through a lot of mess. a lot of chaos on, of course. uh around 2011. we had the army spring on the, on the atrocities of the are the so called a spring. oh, so they are, are already aware of why has happened over the last 20 years and they have learned really hard lessons. now the only way for their goal is to really go
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on to go up is to really close that. so i talked to her the chapter of conflicts, turmoil on certain software. i really focus on development and on a progress, prosperity and so on, so forth. and this is where china comes into play. if you look at china and look at their goal, and if you've got the to stuff the economies of the 2 sides, you will see so much synergy between the 2 sides. and for example, of the arbor world is full of natural resources. we have sports, we have a 40 percent of the world's proven reserves. oil to the reserves and china is the largest oil importer and it's expected to continue importing crude oil for the famously. famously, oil has been a the same day. i hope its unity for caesar. each and i speaking to you from precisely as you explained the mass killing that followed the illegal invasion of
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iraq by britain in the united states, etc. i mean prince abdel, been silent, abdel aziz been silent. the how the minister said it's not a 0 sum game, but what is the united states wants to make it a 0 sum game as to who can be a partner of the arab nations and who called me in the, in the middle east. what, what happens when i'm not sure if the, i'm not sure whether they want to dictate whether they want their support and then whether they can, we are in a totally different world. the relations all for the or bob on issues are not determined by a foreign power. so they are determined by the r a countries themselves. and the, the arms did not really look for a confrontation with any power of whether it be original or global. the archives are really now focusing on developing their economies, 1st of all,
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stabilizing the region, and then gradually of developing the region and providing prosperity to their people. i agree with the prince as easy as their mind when he says that it's a, it's not a 0 sum game. and we are not really in a situation where we have to pick sides, we don't have to pick side. so if you look at all the statements made over the last 5 years, you'll see that there's a really clear pattern. and that button is related to our desire for a strategic autonomy. we are not really in a situation where, you know, we have to really listen to the task of them from outside of the region or from outside of our countries. and i would assume the decision makers and the politicians, and the west and united states and europe would understand. because if you look at
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the largest economy in anticipate terms, it's or the china, the largest trading nation. it's already china and the largest manufacturing emission, it's china. so we to arms, we want to develop our region. we want to provide, you know, our prosperity go where people every want to do that. where do we go on get, you know, a boss of parts manufactured goods. i cannot make relations and so on and so forth . china is about organically growing. and because of our proximity or being in the center of the, of the call, we are taking advantage of our situation. we want to really just, you know, it's like the natural resources that we have. and we wanna really tap into the developments happening in china and image. and general china is now one of the leading emissions and innovation in a i a 5 pm, so on and so for. so for us, if we want to continue on growing economically a why not just, you know, i have
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a stronger relations on these relations are not really new and they are not really based on the on economics and trade and commerce. if you just go look at the history of our relation, b, r, a ton of relations to go read it back a long time ago, 2000 years to back to the affairs salt road. and historically we have really develop the tides. i live in one, do a china, a lot of people still come by, so i'm just, i'm being banned in china. so and so far in going to a, there's was a called caution. this most was built in the 7th century by the uncle of our profit . i started off and this most goose still existing on this most is really one of the oldest most in the world. and the all the, all of this most in china. when i went there and i asked him to ideas with the
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other um, with plans the chinese muslims, i realized that they were actually having a happy life, a very prosperous, a life on a lot of them were on a and running businesses. so just going back to the point of, you know, why, as you know, i have this relation. what i try to is all on these china, china, white china. it's because china is growing rapidly and is providing us with opportunities. yeah, no, i knew you were very clear that and um, actually i wanted to get on to that fake uh, hoax, news from, from ginger yang that we covered here on going underground as nature nation media was reading that propaganda or about circle genocide in as in jack, but either your screen stopping occasionally, i don't know whether that's the sanctions on huawei technology. you know, there's a battle going on. uh, frankly, i mean, uh, what's the significance of a m b s meeting with the blinking, blinking go straight there. um to uh, saudi arabia and then cause.
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