that is equal, but flesh that means we don't have 40 to go or economic come to some attitudes that will again, to the balance in the out. and that it is our firm belief that a corporation should be beneficial to, to, to, to everyone find the these, i guess the risk amongst the provides to multiple fall because they come to change the pay, the ability, they pay the 3 major. so they act the way they act in mostly like new california, you know, health we, we are not, we have to equal, bought us with our partnership is based on mutual respect, international law and mutual interest, russian for any media stuff. that is such a novel spoke about twist on the countries trying pretty sweet applicant. read this

from participating in that i should know for the summaries we'd be have you encountered a decent the cause of your wi, how similar to the teacher she a in can. well, i will not name names. i will just to say that yes it these faded food and the pressure is being exhausted. the on the, on the i think comes not to uh, sometimes openly, sometimes over please sometimes cool wouldn't really, uh, not to uh, corporate with us because they had a really well lately they have been quite, i should say, obsessed with the desire to isolate the shop. they don't understand the nature of our relations and the they don't understand the,

the history and the feelings of the jania mode of the african peoples. and that there are some people because uh, i just an example. uh, we uh, recently celebrate the attic. the great uh and uh, so suddenly i was the right thing to be. so for the local press, and suddenly i just realized that i was thinking of the deal for the bit ational wasik as my personal achievement. because i'm part of the culture that actually contributed so much to the british. i'm of africa. menu menu respects. that's when it's finally came actually pulls a method of joy for us because there was a very strong, a sense of achievement and it is still there. but the, the,

the collective west, as we call it, they don't realize the sand. they think that by raised by pressure they can do sweet people and the uh, in to me the them not to make friends with us or not to trade with us on to company to this is the level of is quite attractive. and why do we think this is happening? maybe that he's up. yeah, that's i i actually what, what did you purchase the little bit on that because now they have this thing j. yeah. lee. think that it is possible for them to we uh and to just throw it asha because of the. but if you look at it from an objective point of view is impossible actually to be too strong and we have too many friends around

the globe. so you can make the isolate us or do you feed us, it's physically impossible, but so they still have this in mind. and the visa, this is, i think, the crux of the problem, the international and the global it in that we are going through now. do you think she's visits? yeah, now a he also said that that i shall be sending that the 1000 tons of question for the laser. ok, now that is for face. know how is this for today's the health care now is that great? got to maybe do you have any specific statistics on this? uh well that's the basic i must uh make a correction because it's not 50000 fits. so to keep 4000 all 4 different types of for, for the 2 lasers that february deal arrive to kenya and i was privileged and on a will come the ship in the 4th degree portal, mombasa,

now it will be processed. so to the canyon standards of 4 different groups, so that it could be used for different of the crumbs, it will actually the process i think, will increase the size of the info that, that will be delivered to the canyon thomas. the insure, uh the unions and uh, the cultural and food security of tenure and uh, also uh of, from what i get from our canyon friends. that, uh, it is, uh, it is very timely. uh they are, i have a little that cheap of these big, big, cheap kenya is very timely because uh, because of the seasons. uh for there is a blunting cheese. um that is uh,

harvesting season. so it is. uh now it is the good time. uh for uh, the bidding of the, of the 2 ways is i'm distributing them among the default from another point of view . it's also contributes because uh, you know, when you provide just phones, the people you to them, that's it. but here you provide, provide a means that the actually think some things funds the sustainability of the cultural sector and those, those things on the food security. because we've put to it, as you can use your self produce much more food to feed your people. what is the deal, see for the kind of content in the new wide or yes, thank you very much. this is an excellent question. i think that's a,

as opposed to the to the collective width or the global north africa and the other parts of, of the developing world have everything to gain from the new multi lateral worlds or the, based on the firm. be the firm foundation of, of the, of international law and also the principles of soul within the quality, a mutual respect. and also the respect for the, the teaching with interests over each other. and i think if you look at the, i'm quite the, i should say, grades i and susie just hold as i could because

even during the 5 years that i have spent p a i sees development very, very quick development. and also the same thing happens in different parts of the country and provide in other parts to basic the country, the thought of developing very well. again, yeah, i think is a is a good example, because if you look at the future of yours, because every think will become, will be dependent on humans develop. i'm depends on a few months without humans economies that so and you have a in kenya is developing very quickly in terms of human capital. if you look at the level of education, you look at the level of,

of technological progress right? now, for example, kenya has one of the few whatever pollution lady achievements like in this, a smoke, all the countries coming joy the uh, order to do my number is the system. of course, the smiling because the nothing is perfect and these would have however, the them itself to build the totally information based system of government is quite amazing. and it, these also use it equal to nice. the measurement of, for example, in the b is so for them are shy, if it could photo mean searching my uh, 2000 on the 9th 2019 uh, from the podium. i would have minnes though, for the communications or flight administer will find lands,

actually said the just you good. so excellent examples on the continuum of the great development. i'm not that familiar with the achievements of other countries on the continent, but kenya is such a good example that i'm really impressed me needs and then see what even if the being in the free top for e s. surprises in the light seal is the for the past times. yeah. uh well, uh, the answer is easy because the people of course, uh people never cease to do lights and surprise me. and speaking both the talents and also about the open, this openness to new ideas open this to do for them the points of view and also a region list to learn and to implement. i think

to, well, if you beat kenya, it is one of the most enterprising informations in the world. and especially in the u. multiple little world, which will not be burdened. we've the, the old, the vestiges of new colonialism and the in the quality. and i'm fed them this injustice, you know, when talking about the development of relations between russia and africa, we found a conscious team that they did not as a free tons, visual sites. easy to really the case according to your experience. according to me, it's another big lie. another big lie in the huge but it will of ways that's a split it's um by uh huh. it could they could do with that

because it is. and it these lovely with a secret when they uh, the not only encourage them to the sides, but the force for the west forces the developing world to the state size in the conflict, which is not the years. i don't think it really works a country because people are not pick up much smaller than that. uh, but they have a menu tools in the tool box. they can give me the, they can accept political pressure. they can black claim. uh they can use uh uh, so oh countries and the people are different quotes and some find the color cartridge to resist. uh and uh, to stay on the grounds. some yields, however, but the general pressure is very much there. now and yeah, you have seen that too old,

we've already talked to cos and you'd have them to have them not to call in the new show which could be thought which criticized today with an approach to initially definitely kind of countries. how was the quoted, how was the article received and especially seen africa it uh will. yes, i, uh, it does not. the agent said that they always, that i thought to go, uh no, it's not always, i have other kind of responsibilities. be videos. it could be, uh, what case on that a due date that i don't on that uh yeah. and the, the most of them automatically takes a little do with i will that other view, of course i will, that other be a expressing guess at the point of view that everything is harmonious, fair, and just and so on. however, when i see problems, i tried to the point and the tried to speak about them and

tried to to explain my point of view on what these, what the cause is and what the results of that problem as far as uh, the uh, the action is concerned well from the feedback that i get of uh, from our social media and from other sources varies interest varies interest. not everybody agrees, of course. but there is a certain degree of winter because of again, because of they'll tell them that you've point of view that i'm trying to uh, to present me now is the wind up in my humble or i think. yeah, and we do appreciate the phone. that's an option is we waned up since the collapse of the soviet union ties between africa and most cool have brittany weekend and russia has only just begun needs to return to africa. how,

how buffy can come increase or reactive. but even what challenges does most cool phase in resetting about different quotes? the initial and sweet thing that haven't restaurants meet the continents. uh, uh, well 1st, if i may, i would like to, uh, uh, disagree, respectfully with you uh that we are turning about traffic. we never lift it. uh, another thing is that we, um, uh, in the both soviet it is, uh, we had the very difficult we went through a very difficult time ourselves and which actually limited our capacity to effectively uh, interact protocol page with other countries. nope. on the other places of the world as well. so, but, but even in those circumstances we, uh, i'm able to forego to both africa. and now that we are,

that we have achieved the level of development a better level of 12. and the better level of a better capacity in the mix terms of goals we of course it's natural that we increase our presence and our cooperation with that. and the, the response to that is universally very positive. the least i can say, because i haven't heard the single, i can say no, you go back to your trash. uh its none of your business. no, people usually are happy to see me when they travel to visit different parts of the country at different levels at the administration level and come on people level for example, i uh,

once i went to uh the refugee temp because we were again giving the level use the uh, some food quite below the width of 2 to feed the refugees into the floor and the organize the and i am thankful to them for this the night of the meeting with the refugees themselves. and some of them have spent, it's tragic situation. they have spent, i'm in a will 23rd 2 years in the cat. uh, but people from somebody to uh, they say, ok now we, we are really happy because we see you as that as a number. so that will be good. that means that i shall do, does not forget about somebody and your visit here to the adults a lot to us. i mean i was that he didn't but and the way the them,

the i said the yes we have together with you when we will do whatever we can to to contribute. so to do ok now. thank you finch. this is the 8 the thank you very much. thanks for your time. the

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the international. the the i'm action or time. see and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai. in the u. a major geo political shifts are under way in the middle east, as the us reduces its presence that are off the family as a new rock. and that's kind of stone and is washington pivots towards the end of pacific. china was begun the feeling that void with this new of you can only can diplomatic moves, mediating regional conflict and strengthening ties with our partners who have shown more agency and autonomy in the wake of nature's proxy war in russia through ukraine. joining me to discuss the implications of china is rising influence in the

middle east is abraham classroom asia, a global fellow with the age of global university institute at the university of hong kong. and what was the strategy advisors of a chapman if you happen to have the executive office? thank you so much. i have your hand for coming on billions of dollars. then in the past few days, signed off with the arab joining the business conference. what. what is this business conference and the, what's the significance of all these deals being signed as well? western europe, uh, being in germany's in recession. this isn't a conference shop brace together. we are above businesses. the are a bank company wars. the are uh, hosted on enterprises with doors out from china and on the china midland. well, so from hong kong to slower opportunities to see how they can actually work together. especially now that uh, both sides are really more i get a more familiar with each other on both sides. uh, i see uh, unfortunate to use and their relative uh, or, uh, respective uh,

market. so for example, the, our world especially in the gulf region, is the major region uh for uh, oil and gas sites. uh, major uh, supplier of luck, crude oil uh to china and china gets around 40 percent of its uh orland was from the region. and for the arm, so china is a major crude oil market and the field on all really only related to energy, oil, and gas. they are really abroad and a really long ranging. they include technology, innovation, and for a structure and so on and so forth. i, you know, the, are countries almost all of them or part of b, r i the most ambitious initiative in human history. it's more than 10 times the marshal,

applying the post world war to marshal plan. and there are so many opportunities are provided by this initiative. and also this initiative has a vision to really bring the world closer together to building road initiative. because that's not what you hear about and how you will need to propaganda need a media propaganda. and on the airport is worried about, i mean, i don't know what happened to it, but joe biden's report is consequences for mom, admin, selma. and if this idea regular didn't do what it was told to about oil production, the new ones that scared about what biden might do as well, i'm not sure whether the original leaders and the regional people really pay attention to what foreigners say about their bilateral relations. what i china, or with any of the other nation, of these are really a solver and decisions made by sovereign countries. so they are countries,

they really look into the future and they want to close. the really tried to cancel a chapter of the last 20 years on since 2003. as you all know, iraq was emitted. i'm in my opinion, it was, it was of course, illegally embedded and rock has been destroyed. and just then the region has been going through a lot of mess, a lot of chaos on. of course, around 2011. we had the army spring on the, on the atrocities of the or the so called or spring so. so they are, are already aware of why has happened over the last 20 years, and they have learned really hard lessons. now the only way for their goal is to really go on to go off is to really close that. so i talked to her and kept her of complex turmoil and sort of self worth. i really focus on development and on

a progress prospect and so on, so forth. and this is where china comes into play. if you look at china, look at their goal, and if you've got the 2 as the economies of the 2 sides, you'll see so much synergy between the 2 sides. and for example, of the arbor world is full of natural resources we. uh for we have a 40 percent of the world's proven reserves. oil to the reserves, and china is the largest oil importer and it's expected to continue importing crude oil for the same is lea. famously, oil has been a, the sound, a little bit, unity for cicero, each and i, speaking to you from precisely as you explained the mass killing that followed the illegal invasion of iraq by britain in the united states, etc. i mean, prince of they'll be in the south abdel aziz been solomon. the saturday minister

said it's not a 0 sum game. but what is the united states wants to make it a 0 sum game as to who can be a partner of the arab nations and who called me in the, in the middle east. well, what happens when i'm not sure if the, i'm not sure whether they want to dictate whether they want fair support and then whether they can, we are in a totally different world, the relations of, for, they are on nations or not determined by a foreign power so they are determined by the r a countries themselves and the, the arms did not really look for a confrontation with any power of whether the original or global the archives are really now focusing on developing their economies. first of all, stabilizing the region, and then gradually of developing the region and providing prosperity to their people. i agree with the appearance of using a certain mine,

when he says that it's a, it's not a 0 sum game. and we are not really in a situation where we have to pick sides, we don't have to pick side. so if you look at all these statements made over the last 5 years, you will see that the, there's a really clear pattern. and that button is related to our desire for a strategic autonomy. we are not really in a situation where, you know, we have to really listen to the task of them from outside of the region or from outside of our countries. and i would assume the decision makers and the politicians and the west and united states in europe, would understand. because if you look at the largest economy in anticipate terms, it's or the china, the largest trading an ocean, it's already china and the largest manufacturing emission. it's china,

so we of arms, we want to develop our region. we want to provide, you know, oper, our sturdy, go where people every want to do that. where do we go on get, you know, boss of parts manufactured tank goods. i cannot make relations and so on and so forth. china is about organically growing. and because of our proximity or being in the center of the, of the call, we are taking advantage of our situation. we wanna really just, you know, as like a natural resources that we have. and we wanna really tap into the developments happening in china and image. and general china is now one of the leading nations and innovation in a i, a 5 d as on a. so for, so for us, if we want to continue on growing economically a why not just, you know, i have a stronger relations on these relations are not really new and they are not really based on the on economics and trade and commerce. if you just go look at the

history of our relation, b, r, a ton of relations to go really back a long time ago, 2000 years to back to the various salt road. and historically we have really develop uh, the parts uh, i live in one do a china, a lot of people still come by. so i'm just, i'm being banned in china, so and so forth. and one to a, there's was a called hyphen. this most was built in the 7th century by the uncle of our profit . i started off and this most goose still existing on this most is really one of the oldest most in the world. and the all the, all of this most in china. when i went there and i asked him to ideas with the other plans to the chinese muslims, i realized that they were actually having a happy life, a very prosperous, a life on a lot of them were on a and running businesses. so just going back to the point of, you know, why,

as you know, i have this relation what a china is, all these china, china, white china, it's because china is growing rapidly and is providing us with opportunities. yeah, no, i mean you, you're very clear there and i wanted to get on to that fake hoax. news from, from ginger yang that we covered here. i'm going underground as an agent. nation media was reading that propaganda are about circle genocide in as in jack. but either your screen stopping occasionally, i don't know whether that's the sanctions on huawei technology. you know, there's a battle going on. uh, frankly, i mean, uh, what's the significance of a m b s meeting with the blinking, blinking go straight there. um to uh, saudi arabia and then cool is page and immediately afterwards is this a more proof that the 0 sum game is over. but because of these trade dies, if it ever became a 0 sum game, the global south, the built in rhode initiative.