fuzzies, right? because russia has changed this new grandpa states, and i will say, shootings, tactical missiles in bella, rows, it's uh, walked away from pop dissipation in the new style tree game of boots. and has said that he's now good to use nuclear forces on the highest stage of a lot of these things. russia has none, and there are there. and there are basically no nuclear talks going on at any level of the today. and you don't die. the strategic level, intermediate level, technical level. so shock number just says, oh, there's nothing to worry about except we're bumped into is engaging in a regular store. so this is when they do is go to and then, but this to be no change in policy of nato. even though the world gets ever more dangerous. well, in the middle when they make us the global aspirations, obviously it's already been pointed out here. they want to start at an office in japan. i thought it was the north atlantic treaty organization. good. mean b, b, b with the inability to achieve

a victory as they define it in your brain does send a signal to like, you know, although the, in georgia in other countries is that it's, it's not, you know, it's not this as a super hero, a lot of hands, you know, that it likes to make itself out to be remember a couple years ago, you know, criticizing twitter of what is sizing nature on twitter or something. you've eaten a lot of trouble, but because we're supposed to venerate it was supposed to respect, made so. okay. a military alliance of all things, but that makes that, that's the challenge to, i mean, we'll finally give you a crane in the run state of what i don't know the people's republic of good care of that. that's not a good calling card as well. whether it's small doraville, whether it's other countries in the region that are looking and they so in considering their options of the next few years, you know, nothing. that's good, nothing. i mean, when you will, they chose not loved the lesson ven union as an i the when, when i was in brussels in 2000 and the full year, been you and expanded it had the most 10 members. and now it's nice this one

beginning, since the end of the argument was always been, we get more credibility. we have more power we have around the world, but it's not true. it's just not the case. you know, the bigger you or more members you have who can impose your views outer is to get a unified a. i do agree, don't you know, look at the urban unit, all the big stuff will the big international firm both use stuff, expiration and defense. they can't get any criminal, you know, so that's why they've been murder. they have kind of been a way gotten around that. and again, you know, it's something that george has pointed out to me and number of times is over in the, in, in rapid succession. the, you know, it's essentially just the rented sport in defense and security policies to nato, which of course means it's surrounding it to washington. so you don't have to worry about so much about this sense of security because it's already decided in some air conditioned office in virginia. yep. but they think they keep doing all of it because i realize i can't do it. you know, so it's much more simpler to make it america's problem with all the americans. that

is more of the way, the default position of, or even situations that have an international division and sessional when america went into for america. but what's happening with nature now is reducing, i mean, what we really need to, to put nights. so in check is east of defense organization, which can hold it to account because of the moment of the journal this on really doing anything remotely objective and they're approaching because nobody's actually feeding them with any different ideas to oppose the cardinality. but if you look on the ground, what's happening is a lot of times going on this comb bode well later you put in the word panic, let's say take a show or craig, generally mega ticket tour break. and we're going to be trying to discuss, continue our discussion of native state without the

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things are considered either lavelle, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some wellness, the let's go back to mark the america. should we use the you? um a made me um, by the way of the word panic in the 1st part of the program. continue. my friend. tell us to explain the situation. you know, if the west on the nature's guidance and material was making any purpose, any progress, a tool on the bustle field, why do you suddenly have you put a leader who is bang, especially on the table, guessing switch it and switch you in these youtube, my minutes and demanding more and more that you can guess fast track. it's a nice image of what you need to do. that if you wouldn't, you don't need to know what is up become such a, such a preschool point, but we have to do this. now we have to get in because you lose a and you know,

one of the conditions of phone jonas operating the brain is that you've got to sign up for an imbedded situation with the press color. you have to get a school that every way you have to get permission to visit places. and one of the unwritten rules of gymnast operating when you tried this account reports on numbers account report on kind of is not told color please. so we have to make estimations, it's very difficult to make estimations when you're in one part of the battle field and somebody's going on elsewhere. you know, you have a front line of something like 700 columbus. i'm sure someone will correctly. so the, you're kind of punched a couple holes. i've taken a few villages in the last couple of weeks, you know, big deal. i read the amount to anything. i mean, what the real debate is now, is we're have to move away from the bus and failed scenario because i'm not winning . what are the other options? you know, we keep hearing a little song about f sixteens, but it still has no credibility to it. and there's no time left, you know, the, the experts will tell you the training points for f sixteens. realistically, you're looking at 9 launch this report to 3 months ridiculous,

because train any pilot, and that's 16. i'm what you want to do. well, if we think about, if we think over the last 30 years, the, in the, in the, the, of the global war on terror. okay. f sixteens, f fifteens. well, you know, they were the americans, what we're going to the afghans, the taliban was gonna shoot down their planes. okay. the same thing happened in a rack. ok, now you send it in and remember f fifteens are from 1979. okay. i mean, they're not new. okay. i mean, you know, they didn't. if there's no, some matching bullets here mean seeing german tanks, american tanks just mess ups. okay. me. oh, did they never like any other take me to i think people are devoting themselves that there's some good, you know, we just said eps exceeds the, it'll be over the phone. but the timer doesn't make any sense. and i think this is contributing to some of the public was seeing

a nature of best at really the best the most the west can do, we'll be talking about results is in 9 to 12 months time a best. so what are you doing up here? what do you do that? here's the intermediate, but you haven't got the soldiers. you haven't got the numbers. you know, you're obviously single holes in the front line. but what's not, getting reported is a lot of the tactics on the russian side. american majors and colonels is why don't show them whoever and what and phones who are telling us about this line on the minds of the russians are lying on the other side. so that drawing the new troops in sort of coverage on the trip you're trying to use maybe taking a few, but they're just, you know, the but it's like come on to a fear, subtract, like i don't want to stop up, then you turn around, or you find that you called scott, but because in the meantime, the russians are laid this line. i'm from helicopters on these super um mines, which you can see, but not even hidden. you know, so i think this is part of the strong type to which the rest and see which was the boots in his taking his time. and that is his winning strategy. he's not rushing

into type odessa, you're not rushing into think about the net result. he's taking his time because he does every single day. the policies he winced adjusted up to the press conference, both 3 of the hall. and i was general this script. imagine the ability for an even bodies straight out minutes without losing his place on the stage. and then say, don't save the green man, what the back to what kind of back to, who's got, who's got the clots and who's got the time, george. this with the, it's already been mentioned. they being and they tell somebody in build, this is a just around the corner here. and there's a word panic that comes up again here because of how do you get the, the ukraine into may till they've made their promise. you know, they don't have to keep its promise here, but it's not so simple obviously, because if they induct, induct ukraine into a ne till now against its own rules. because there are pathways low and well known and very well documented. but then they would be inheriting

a war of with russia. and that's something maybe slip holes in the baltic states or, you know, crazily interested in but not everybody in the alliance is even washington feels that way, george, that's of a, that is right and not for certainly happened that the goals do get themselves involved. i mean, is obviously a lot of talk about the boat is mercenaries already fighting in ukraine. the epa succeeds, could well be based in poland. so in other words, that the, they could be uh, take off and land on, publish a basis which a game me could mean that publish and base as good come on the russian attack. another game may well be part of the tactic of how to get made so in, on the article 5 the, at the moment as, as well goes on from may to exam of losing any rights. so this thing again is

the russians who are suffering. i mean, you, your brain is obviously a suffering great, even made. it doesn't really care about that. so they can keep this rule going because i haven't been any great crises within the so that hasn't yet been any major deacon on a crisis. but let's say you know that because it hasn't even been the a great energy crisis happen, but it has, it hasn't been. so is they, they think the hey we, we are sitting prototype online, so very nice. they are suffering and they can basically think we can go on like this, but 2 or 3 years. and then let's see what happens in russia that may be a foolish calculation, but that is how nato is, is thinking. so, i mean, just for george, a few part of the ukrainian but the leads whatever that our, our guard do a terry of political that's what i'm pretty, but somebody basically couldn't calculation visit. no, it's not the good calculation,

but they have allowed themselves to be pushed by made. so, i mean we, we get it with the other day routine revealed this, this agreement, they have agreements sign. he showed the documents to the accident because the ukraine, signing this agreement was a good deal. i mean, even if it's even now amazing that ukraine's uh, they down why they do great on it though, because it was told to turn it up. so there is, ukraine has no agency, it has no software in say it does what nato does, it to the contrary to its own interest. this is a very good deal. amazing. i don't think the russian should have given them that deal, but they, they didn't get that deal. well, george, you know, i've said that, you know, we, we don't have to rely upon future historians. we'll be relying upon future his psychologist and help a country as leadership with a bind was martin. i'm glad the judge brought this up because the essence of the deal that was hammered out in the 1st weeks of the conflict with zalinski was essentially being as number one. the, the brain must be neutral,

certain limitations on its military. but most importantly, and this is why we'll need psychologist, he was asked to give up what he already did not cast. and that's what that what, that's what made it such a good deal. give it up on the dumbass, give up front of me. i had neither and that's why it is an insane to think about how that deal was turned down. martin and i think that's those are contributing towards now the situation the person finds himself in because now all the great country analysts are rising for the big newspapers. now, none of them now of painting scenarios of abuse. still, the pitching will make because these are the most to saw. you know, this is because of the point now where we need to do is just keep on with this very cool head and not do anything to, i'm vicious, i'm just keep on draining and the other side, you know, like, is there a tell them to the long distance folks out who takes it really does droll the energy out of your opponent and say, but around 10 or 11. you know,

somebody is very weak on the news. i think that's the strategy that he's doing and he's winning because the lawyer is wanting to look at the system statistics. one of the figures, you know, look at the amount of the bradley on the vehicles that were distorted one day 16. you know, look at, look at what america are sending. there is a huge difference between what they need on the bus will fit on what's available. going back to the 16 point one i didn't finish. my point in making is that we can talk about if 16 years old days. but the truth is, it's new york, we just don't have the we don't actually have them. so what, what, what are we wasting all this newspaper prints on the subject of actually getting to the doctor about maybe 40 and so to the bills is about 20, the bills and the old generation that's 16, but every now and again, they might put warm into into as a spell that they could give to another country. so they're all the numbers that were a 16. so, you know, people are talking about the swedish flight to now, but it seems, well, even though it's not possible to do that in such a short space of time, but i think now, you know, and all the focus now is going to be on bytes. and because you know,

he has to justify all that. so, you know, joe said before that the americans don't really care because i'm not losing people on the ground. no. but the buttons is going to stop losing boats. and you know, as the most go pulse, you know, i think she knows that he knows that as more of these things the, the, that, that take place to abide is dementia. you know, try to transpire on, on the internet and it becomes to let them know more and more finish. i think there was a real danger of a division within nature division could be your boss is america. so the, that the, that's assuming that 5 minutes this is by this policy. it's the people around table a, they have a very, very failed the best. so is there a spokesperson? but i don't think, but they, i mean, we will see how much that plays a role. i mean, i don't understand why it isn't painted as biden's war because that, that is what and then trump is essentially done, the boys move and you're going to go to look at the coverage for the last week or

so on. the some of these f, b i documents which you've been pointing the finger at, bivens and government and ukraine, the $5000000.00 bribes from the energy companies. we've known about this for months and the next. finally, i guess the f b i am. what do you find, you know, you find ted cruz doing this award winning performance of some of the believe so budget in democracy it's, i'm trying to tear apart this f b i guy has not been actually reviewed anything above these documents, but there is a conspiracy within the f b, i certainly a most democrats to not get this guy get this present deal. i'm not, i'm not convinced that they, the corruption of the binding family is going to be a point of inflection when it comes to you trained, george, we're rapidly running out of time. i know you want to jump in. yeah, i think so. i am the, the by lodge. there is a consensus among both political bodies in a bank of america's the leads to keep this little guy, chrome is going against the consensus. but as we know with trump, it is always very difficult to know which way he's going to go. is he,

i think he's going to end the war in 24 hours. but remember 2016. he was promising to have good relations with russia. and then he just quickly is both located on sending lethal weapons the ukraine, which might breed as obama was too scared to do. so we just don't know which way the trump will go, but i don't see any break within the american foreign policy. then they will be a great listener for us to break. okay. and that, that's, that it should be a bit of the coming all the time. we have one, i think, my guess americans and in budapest, what look like our viewers for watching us here at ortiz? see you next to remember last step of the

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the students don't know the thing. the candidate status in 2022. the the hello. welcome to worlds apart from the coalition of the willing to launch wars in far away land to the call, listen of the willing to accept that as the rule of contemporary world, the order mark yesterday argues that thing neutral is a far more ethical and piece friendly position then rushing in or supplying arms.

how come? well to discuss it. i'm now enjoying by john gong, professor and vice president for research and strategic studies at the university of international business and economics. and china form experts is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. be happy here. now you've heard my introduction and i actually borrowed the, you know, this a nice play of words from your own article in which you called for a coalition of the, on the willing and alliance of nations saying out of the ukrainian conflict, which i think increasingly looks like a, an existential struggle between the rush on one side and the west on the other side . so why is being neutral and ethical and moral positions? aren't you supposed to choose between the forces of good and the forces available? well, 1st thing i want to say is that today, stage oliver wars, not just enough for, for example, china has to be under tremendous political pressure or to do something on this side on that side, on a. and i think the countries that represent that can,

the new toner camp is actually quite large. i mean, that's the lowest majority. and typically the majority is pretty silent on this. and i think a small time to these countries to come up with a joints saying, you know, uniform voice that, you know, we are, we, we want to state all of this war. but a sing tell me, won't be too long to play an active role in terms of uh, mediating a peaceful solution here. so i think that's what i'm coming from. i think this idea is really being, you know, receive i well, for example, i can quote a statement from the present in president. so from visit china recently he proposes, oh, interesting idea that the, a group of countries should you know, join together tu, tu, tu, tu? tu, cummings to step being and, and media also which and we have a number of initiatives. i mean, we are recording this interview on the eve of a major visit by several african has of state who also have some ideas on

how these concepts would be mediated. i believe that today they're actually in kia, so they are trying to reach out to the 2 sides. but i think it's even bigger than that you're creating, coughing, because it's many, many countries, big and small. suggesting that only the rules of the game and ultimate, this thing know not only to the conflict but also to the current rules based order and bunch of things. yeah. so yeah, absolutely. um, so 1st the again back to questionable why being a neutral position is actually not a mark in my view. right. i do for that. i think, you know, this has historical proceedings for example, and i put in my article, i quoted, the buddhist experience doing the uh, you know, bulk of the 19th century when the united kingdom stay pretty much out of the continental and the walls and battles in europe on, nevertheless, the country has an event in very well as to why it's been, it's global network of trade in the business. and this was

a period of time the historians called the splendor isolation like it was a very, very long time. it was a long time ago, and i think that the um, the today in the 21st century we need to think, you know, in still a little bit of a, a, a, a morris. i'm argument disposition to something very, very interesting because you also mentioned moral issues in, in your articles. and i think one of the things that happened over the last couple of tickets is the united states and the west. more generally essentially hijacked old morality for themselves. i wonder if what we are witnessing right now, you know, brazil, a china african countries coming up with that own solutions to the conflict in europe is essentially saying hold on. we also have a speaking uh defining what's more on what's more white. i mean, the, the more why don't you argument, it was more as a marketing when it was hijacked to mean that, you know, without supporting ukraine, it's a more, i don't, i don't buy the saga model. i think, you know, we need to be on the saddle piece for, for the 1st part of it and you know,

with the car once they only going on you clay. i think, you know, it's a smoke idea to keep shipping. uh, i'm going to the battlefield. so i think the right thing to do is to advocate for a choose. so, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, this is what i'm come from. but in addition to this offer, i think even though i view it of imposing sanctions and i'm not even sure on the rest of the world, right. i'm so i'm actually coming out to say that not imposing sanction doesn't mean that you're not on the side of law or is and i think, you know, sanctions are like weapons of mass destruction. it was demonstrated a pause that it does cool people chose more people on a battlefield is actually on. and in this case, i think a potentially, you know, the casual is maybe more than just people in english, showing you a crate. might be people in north africa in the middle east was suffering from salvation for example. so anyway, i think you know, i'm, i'm not bash to say that the morrison is an idea. that's not just

a subject to the definition by the west. yeah, absolutely. well, and when we say more lives, and just because of this isn't a bit down, it sounds like an ideology, but they are all entitled to our own more a lot on a morality and, you know, nobody says that it's only like a group of are presenting their wife, countries that knows what's, what's best for the rest of us. so through, we know back to the question about the, the logical order. you're talking about the ru space, or, you know, the where she likes to talk about the ru space or not, but a real question is worse than what was life and, and whether there up how by the west, etc. and also whether this, most of you apply consistently on, you know, clearly i think one of the reasons that the, the global solves, i'm not very happy was the, this a new space sorta is that these tools haven't being applied sort of thing or in the uniform fashion on you know, the clearing size of poplar c, double stand this for example. um, you know, you compare what's going on,

you claim versus what's going on in i used to being a rocking of scatter stand, right? um, you know, uh, you know, totally double standards you might have, you know, can i bring here to the issue of china? is it a trial at sea? because the americans are pretty open about the fact that in the attempt to preserve that in germany at 1st they, they need to do away with russia to undermine rush or perhaps to, you know, split it into force and them. and they're also very public, a like look at the documents there, say that after russia question is done, they will be dealing with the so called china's challenge. how can china been neutral to, to something like that? yeah, well, i mean, a couple of people in washington as well as in brussels. they've come out to say that the, you know, america's the essential challenge or leave us to add is actually not a rush to essentially from china. not your, your entire existence is

a challenge to them. this is how they defined it. well, this is the how they define it. i mean, the china is a problem because one of the 2 things, one is going too fast. second is going to big. so that's in the self becomes a challenge to them. i mean that's the thinking but, but, but i think um, you know, the issue is about china as neutrality and what, what is this, you know, new toner, what does it mean? right? i think i'm on the one side, you know, we understand the, the complex reasons of leading up to this conflict to craig, and that i am trying to also say that very clearly that we should respect the sovereignty and, and territorial integrity. and in addition to this, you know, china is position, is that the, you know, there should be a choose. i think china's advocacy for choose. this is rid of january, i think it's not in china's income. most people are saying that, well, you know, china's benefit from this was the phone, just ongoing war. you crate. that's not true. i don't think that's true. i think

china does benefit from a ceasefire, at least so. so, you know, the advocacy full of policies probably is where the january might be going back to the issue of china's motivation or trying to interest. there is a rough consensus here in russia that's the washington chose to make the ukraine crisis and means a tools of its uh, you know, geo political struggle for dissolving gemini, if that's strategy and doesn't succeed, don't you're seeing that the americans will have to come up with something new and perhaps controlling china more directly. yeah. well, i mean, there's a lot of voices in washington these days, you know, talking about a political solution in ukraine so that you can, you know, get more resources into the, in the pacific. and whether that's talking about china, from china's perspective, as sort of saying then i think that the, we are the, the chinese side is dedicated to a, you know, trying to get

a peaceful solution in ukraine as well as a, you know, not maintaining good relationship with the west as well with you to be union was united states, but unfortunately, you know, united states has of this mentality of, uh you know, it's, you know, he stays trying as a big challenge, wants to have a competition. strategic competition was trying but he's, it's really about the competition. i mean the americans liked to mention this uh, 3. see um. right. always the competition confrontation, cooperation, cooperation. uh which one which senior thing is the most visible for the time being . um i think the tablet of competition is more, i mean competition, north confrontation, quotes, competition, confrontation, i think controls that confrontation is competition in proxy conferences. i think this sometimes it's even, you know, very blue of boundaries between confrontation and competition from china side of we would try to publish views. this was confrontation, but i think it will be my view constitutionality is.