our last us, you know, not maintaining good relationship, was the west as well with the union was an outage states. but unfortunately, you know, united states has of this mentality of, uh you know, it's of no use these trying as a big challenge wants to have a competition. strategic competition was trying, but he's, it's really about the competition. i mean the americans liked to mention this uh, 3. see um, right. all is the competition confrontation, cooperation, cooperation. uh which one which senior thing is the most visible for the time being . i think to be tabulated. competition is more, i mean, competition, north confrontation, quotes, competition, confrontation, i think, controls that confrontation, that is competition and perhaps a conference which i think this sometimes it's even, you know, very blue of boundaries between confrontation, competition from china side of we would try to publish views this was confrontation, but i think it will be my view constitutionality is about one issue about i want,

you know that this is one area that clearly of aging conference washing done. this is the concerns tennis court interest as there's no way we come back off. so, you know, that's more of a compensation research professor go, we have to look at the core motivation of adverse. there's, i mean by that that this is something that the china is worth, strategist did the throughout the centuries. do you think that americans, troy care are primarily about taiwan and it's freedom, whatever. it's a governance or the core issue here is china and it's rise. illegitimate trials in the whole system is how one, you know, it is a small items unless thousands miles away. american people don't even can't even find it on a map, right? so if this is really one of the issues that they can use by washington to, to contain china, to be thinking it's such a pertain or to undermine. um, i think a distinction between containment and an mining is, um, this is

a semantic issue. we might have you, i mean those things like what had come cause pro competition. i'm from foundation. and yeah, i think the things that you sort of organizations in wash, in the right, people in the intelligence community, see, i didn't did other things to one of my other countries. but then, you know, i think it, the, the, the in nebraska most things the america, so interesting essentially to keep china down. okay. it cannot tar with a child how down i know there's some rules of, i'll say less than 2 thirds of us size. so i, you know, it does not challenge america supremacy on the scene. for example, in overseas operations, things like that. you know, this is essentially a remaining and big factory without any voice, without any ambition or aspiration of its own or giving out any dignity in worth living in it has done that. it is a limited power, limited influence. i think that's one of the really a country right from that that i will think washer,

that can even dream of achieving. there's no way they can do that. now is who i understand that, but the, you are, you know, you're, you're worked in the united states for, for the long time. and i'm interested in the ultimate strategy or what do you think is the preferred goal that they are trying to pursue? what kind of china again i ask you before, and i read to her is what kind of china would sue them? is it a china that has no voice, a china that has no one vision and a china that essentially serves as a, an industrial park for the united states? yeah, i think um, well 1st of all, you know, quite a few years ago at a time when china was successful, the then the big hill, there was the expectation that china with the, according to a contractually that washington desires off that. so it's, and it didn't happen. i mean, i think that represents the sort of a arrow guns and, and the hubristic opinion on this side that is only one good model of develop them . and that's the only good model of development kind of doesn't go into that direction. so that disappointed. now back to the old question about, you know,

the distinction between limited or no voice. and i think, you know, from that perspective, probably those to the, i don't think they expect china has no voice. i mean, come, i is just as impossible. i think that what else does our use that china has to contain establishes some kind of analogy of a nato allies in, in the pacific region, specifically targeting china from to see china has limited inc. friends to see china has limited say on international state. i think this is probably more realistic they are looking for me. okay, we have to take a very short break right now, but we'll be back in just a few moments section. the,

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear, to get a time time to sit down and talk the

the welcome back to wells, of course, with john gall professor and vice president for research and strategic studies at the university of international business and economics. and china, for an expert person going before the break, we're were talking about the american prefers, uh, vision, all fi of china, which china doesn't really one for itself on the you mentioned before that at any a times by china to build independent relationship with other countries is viewed as something negative, for example, your neutrality stands on, the ukraine in conflict is interpreted as a siding with russia. and i've heard one very interesting, russian experts suggests that the best way to describe

a russian china is relationship would be not when, when, but actually not losing all fluids because it's contra, pursue that its own policy, its own economic goals. but they have a key interest in not seeing the other fail, especially as the washington tries to undermine both of them. do you agree with that that i totally agree. i think this is a very interesting now and do you think other countries man dom that as well because it's no secret that the russian china have many controversial issues. we have plenty of border disputes between us a 30 years ago. most of them. uh, so i know for now. yeah, it's clearly on many issues we have not overlapping position and yet i think both sides fines value in the relationship besides do think such model would be applied in the broadband, although only between the 2 countries, but perhaps more broadly international. surely, i think we'll cut the long look at china's neighbors in this deal you've been talking about. can play everywhere. and then translation was india with south korea,

with japan. you know, we will have, you know, issues that you cause conflict of interest. but, you know, there are also other things in cooperative nature, the way more outweigh the, the, the little things that way. you know, you have all kinds of things, and you're living a very comfortable weights in my next question. because one of the country that claims is charlie to big player on an international seizures india in india's neutrality is clearly varied from, from china's in a trial it to, uh, what's the, the biggest, the distinguish, are there, i think a whole, you know, i don't live them drastically different, but i think probably the, the, the largest a big difference is that in this relationship with the united states i, you know, i think that's one area. and i think if you look at watch it, those actual china and india both adoptive more of same. you try to position both have bought tons of oil from much so. right. um and you can which country is on the more political pressure?

it's actually china last summer change, right. so that says something about, you know, washington is not very consistent position with respect to this issue. so i think um, you know, if you asked me the big difference between india and china and that's probably the biggest deal for us. i mean this a 2nd was a 2nd. the agenda, usually 2, regarding china from washing this perspective. there's another agenda behind this. i don't think that agenda exists, respect to indiana culture or it might be the exact opposite actually. well, the americans in our pre opening the poor thing indians into the various anti chinese initiatives and of the american defense secretary lloyd doors. and while visiting india recently promised, a whole range of the most advanced military technologist and sort of inviting india to be the this, what did they did he say? he complimented in his leading role as a security provider in, in the, in the pacific. and in are knowledgable people can smell of antique china is

sentiment there? do you think being visible by india is a very important piece in america's china policy. campbell, i think he is responsible for in the pacific because they are coming. okay. yeah. being in the national security council, i think he wants to famously said the india is a very important component of america's trying to policy. so, you know, this clearly says that the just as intends to establish the same kind of allies. so like some more like the needle and drag india 8. 1 thing that's regrettably, my view that every time washington goes on to try to quote an l i, a stablish allies. what can be off on the table? nothing other than rapids of tags. jeff ida, so one of these things, this is not the way you know, people from china, which on these 2 things when we talk about mutual economic business interest, i do some business trade investment. these are the things that,

that are conducive to humans development. i mean, this is quote, construction. what does the weapons and then jeff on us to destruction, right. so i think that's a key difference. i wanna, i wanna emphasize, you mentioned chris campbell and just the other day he expressed his cold. the upcoming vision by indian prime minister mo mo, did to washington, would quote, unquote, consecrate the relationship with india as the most important for the united states in the world. i suppose it had the british and the head of the europeans. again, do you think the indians will be tempted by something like that because they, they also will only be different and defensive in india in china. and on the responding, india has been a key member of the no, no, no, a lines movement before and i think they're also pretty sure then making sure that the neutrality in their own interest are respected. no, i, i think as to the result,

my intention to say that india is to hasn't by that yet. i think it's, you know, things always do out there whether your daddy would ever get onto the boat of washington. i'll give you one specific example on, you know, 185050. and this is where we have this casting wise, the united states, australia in japan and in india, i think one of the meetings recently is didn't go, you know, when the discuss policies against china and crane regarding ukraine. so i think of, you know, there might be a, a difference between india and other farm members. and also on united states also has of, i will say sort of a preferential differential treatment was back to his allies. they had the 1st to meet today, like for example, u. k. in this case, australia, they're talking about this august. you're right. did only include india. it only includes a penny. and it's that even, you know, did this on the back of the french thing just now. um,

we are all mindful of the difficulties between that or differences between india and china. for example, in the is to know the region where you have thousands of soldiers that have sort of jack suppose, one across and other and for a long time, a call things like this would be seen as a result lable. but after china is recent, the foreign policy successes, for example, of, of the sound is in the rainy as many russian i was asking if that was possible between. so here a being there on why is that's not possible to solve those long standing and difficulties and differences between china and india. wouldn't. that'd be a great benefit built on right to the region but to the whole world. yeah, i think um, you know, the border clash was, um, you know, the soldier sort of chef on each of the items and then all 5 sites. so if i shop, say there were this size. uh, yeah, that's the fuel right. and the casualties. i mean, like, quite a few comments like,

right. so what would it be? you know, exercise force quite a english drain way. i think. and this is actually quite a few years ago. it's been quite some time is, is uh, you know, this piece between the 2 sides along the border. so i think, you know, both sides realize that it's important not to escalate things to set aside the differences. and, you know, coy a 6 piece for optimal. we're talking about no man land actually in that, in that region so that this is something that we can talk about or negotiate for the wrong is it doesn't have to be standing, the weight of the 2 countries a relationship. so over the last, over the past here, i think the chinese foreign policy stands has changed quite visibly. i mean, like, i've been covering a foreign policy here for quite some time and it's visible in the, in the statements of, uh for an impulse as spokesman. it's far more outspoken farmer, proactive, and i wonder if the calculus all one piece has also changed. i mean,

isn't it now more expensive for the, for the chinese to have india as an adversary then it was, let's say, 2 years ago. and i think one thing which includes clearly recognizes that the china is facing a very difficult international environment because washington has intensified his efforts to essentially establish the lines. as i said, in a sense, that even established in the lies somewhat analogous to the nato in the, in the pacific region. so that's a big challenge. and i think to tell his poverty of, um, we just some of his, uh, uh, following policy status to in terms of tactics and policies and, and the mattress. um i think of the space uh that having one more frame from china is perspective is very important. so i think respect to india. uh, you know, the more important things, as i said, we can set aside our differences and you know,

work together especially to prevent india. the important piece of, i guess a ton of policy. um, you know, it's a horrible um, scenario thinking from pages perspective to see india visa photo, another of washington's alliance. they, some of the defense alliance is trying to establish and this may offer my conversations with india and experts uh new daily. it is in no rush to be an american proxy, especially given oh uh, what they saw in, in the ukraine in price is um, this is something that i wanna finish on. um, it's a huge, huge problem for russia. obviously not only do a political, but also a moral problem, a human problem because we have uh many ukrainians living here. we have most of us have relatives living there. china has proposed its own peace initiative. and i think china has a sort of different strategy of approaching countries down the united states. do

you think there will ever come a point when the ukrainians may be sort of responsive to what china has to offer either on the front of reconstruction or on some other front? do you think there's a possibility, any possibility? and that was asking realistically for uh, the ukraine is to, to accept somebody else's help other than the west. um, i think uh, 1st of all, uh, keith. so wanted to respond in the presence of his gas said that it welcomes this plan and uh, is adams uh in this plan that he likes. right. um i think in a really looking at this plan, it's more of a set of principles. you my view. it's a, it's a set of guiding principles and a, which a negotiation process community for these thoughts. and in a way, i think this a very typical chinese of the way of negotiation. let's 1st set a siren philosophical, some standards, some, some principles as

a foundation upon which we can, you know, talk. so i think this is the 1st step in terms of a concrete negotiation. i would imagine that b g is wanting to take a more active role, but ultimately, i think it's very much up to washington to endorse the ukrainian aside from starting the process that's done being very abrupt and then they're not. and the straightforward on absolutely, you know, she cannot keep fighting for one day if washing that doesn't wants to support it or at least to support a continue fighting like it can continue fighting. but they can always, you know, say that we don't want to fight anymore. with or without the weapons, do you think there is enough leverage for trying name keith to try to persuade them to disagree with the statement? i think, you know, you're not the washington. well, it's tremendous even from san keith. um. so whether keep fighting or stop fighting on washing, that's a big thing. oh, i truly believe that the washing has

a big se. uh at this point. um, i think a washer to still wants to, to fight. but doesn't mean the american policies is always just the selections going on. and we're starting to see them in this, in the lodge boys from washington, especially on the g o. p side, talking about a piece solution, right? so talking about findings of access strategy. we have to live in there. thank you very much for your time. and thank you for watching hope to share again and well the part the, the,

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