mexico, if anything, mexico needs to do a better job of protecting the human rights of migrants. we see tremendous corruption. and in the mexican immigration system. and you know, that's with a fire. we saw, you know, just a few weeks ago. i think into that or a month or 2 ago into the products that killed so many, my friends from guatemala, we're seeing that mexico is not really doing what it needs to do to protect these people who are seeking asylum for people who are migrating for economic reasons, that's perhaps another question, but many of the people who are coming to our board or are, is actually king asylum because they are victims of conditions that are caused by u. s. foreign policy was the industry and gabrielle actually, when i ask you that because professor brought upon brings up an excellent point talking about that. a lot of these folks are being displaced because of safety reasons taking yourself because of american foreign policy interventions that we're doing in countries specifically latin america, but others around the world that we're finding. do you think there should be more

accountability in america's are going guess what we causes problems so therefore, why are you complaining about having to deal with it? yeah, certainly there's plenty of people have, might have valley reasons coming into the united states and, and who really might have a reason to fear for the lives. unfortunately, we're just not capable of processing all these people. we don't have enough resources. you don't have an affordable stroke, we don't have enough uh deduce it as far as the judicial system, the process, all these people, it's incredibly difficult. actually. we do these folks and find out who has a, a viable claim and who doesn't. you know, down here in south florida, we see a lot of people coming in from latin america, even though the border and i was getting a sort filled with people from all over the world. not just from the south of central america. we have all these folks down here in south florida, and unfortunately none of these people believe it. and all these folks are coming through cleaning asylum. how about and kind of asylum we, we, we know people anecdotally, we've seen people who come here from venezuela escaping their,

their assailants. people who have either conduct them or, or their families or, or in 11 case raped them. they walk into an elevator who is here in, in south florida who walks in, their a silent and do you find out how to do so if you will, to do some bogus claims that we just simply don't have the resources. and i think that's a very good point that is that you have to make there, but i'm gonna stick with you on this gabriel. because should you think out of 40 to have been made actually permanent? because considering it was all of the other diseases and viruses which are not, and we nice again, so many of these countries, these migrants are coming from. and this was a title put into place to per diem to prevent future spread disease. you know, and i'll tell you why, because i think it, i think it was a bad it. this is a failure of the federal government, the binding of mr. asian to solve a serious issue. toggle 42 was always going to pay down to expire at some point or another, whether you keep the count that down the road another 6 months. we need to fix this

issue. yes, since the humanitarian issue. yes, it's an economic issue for, for of people make that case with the problem. the problem lies that the federal government and no matter what happens with it was title 42. now for down the road this, this is going to pop up. and so the people up in dc, you need to get their stuff together. and finally, fix this big, big issue. you have a professor find this is an excellent point. this is one of the few issues that i think of the if they were truly is bi partisan. i'm because both parties deserve a lot of the blame because neither one of them have wanted to fix the issue when they've been in power. this was a title that started off under president trump. so at this stage, you know, it, could you look at what happened in need present treatment? is there any difference between the policy under president trump or president biden, or is it the exact same? and they're just pointing fingers at each other. yeah, i mean, i think they're equally bad if anything, the policy under body moves worse because under title 42, which i want to point out has nothing whatsoever to do was published because there was no career ctc scientist that ever publicly expressed support for that. it was

roundly dismissed by public health exodus experts as actually being a public health manager. it was, it was put in place by the weights of premises steven miller, the a, to the truck so that at least when people were, were rapidly deported or just expelled from the united states. they didn't have aside the penalties following that. now with the returns of title 8, a people who attempt to who are unable to use the quote unquote lawful pathways that are actually impossible for many, many asylum seekers. and they try to enter the united states bill, actually be criminalized and prevented from seeking asylum for another 5 years. so it's more harmful than title 42 was in addition to the other ways that by the other mechanisms that binding has that to prevent people from exercising their international right to seek asylum. and i want to add that um that i actually agree with your other guess the, the,

the asylum system is under funded and then and it the, we need to fund that better we need for people to be able to have access to assignment parts and not have the back lots of years that we have now. well, and that's why i wanna talk about funding too, because yes, obviously there's a lot of money being invested by the individual states and the federal government to this. when you talk about funding, you know, the a, i think that when you look at gabriel, you 1st started say that there's not enough resources to handle. so where does this funding go? is the funding supposed to go to those that are processing, whether you're talking about the courts or the law enforcement that's on the border, or are you talking about the funding these to go to taking care of them? and i think this could be a major debate on this issue for both sides of the part of gabriel. where does the money more money need to go in? the definitely need to to, to be able to find the border patrol. border patrol is stretched out way too soon, as it is already away. so many people coming in a to the southern border and you know, part of it needs to be, i did being able to process these people in their countries of lords, right?

it's, it's not, it's also unfair to say because of your proxy, geographical proximity, united states, you're going to be able to come in when possibly some, some young man or, or woman in india with a viable claim. who would be a great person to enter greens, united states is you know, 2 or 3000 miles away, you're going to have to wait because these people are going to jump in the lot. and part of that is gonna have to be funding these processes where you can probably, or you can process. these folks are assigned them claims and otherwise in the original countries wars. but that does have to include components for the border patrol fuels that the southern border is no longer pores and that people can't just come over here through mexico central america and just keep the line. but by coming into texas, nevada, arizona, etc, fessler pine and your thoughts, do you agree with him? as well as a 3rd to say that people could fairly be processed in their countries of origin? if in fact they have a valid asylum claim, that means that they are facing uh,

you know, a real danger to their life. and if that's the case, then having to wait in the country of origin puts them at tremendous risk of losing their life. in my case, i work as an asylum, as a country conditions expert for people from hunger as in, you know, in, in asylum chords. here in the united states, and i, my case is generally go, well, but there are so many examples of people who have been deported because they haven't had, you know, they haven't had fair representation as they've been deported and quite quickly after that killed and, and that's the thing the conditions people are reading are very dangerous. um, if they didn't have a valid asylum, can't claim the processing center with work. but for those people who do have valid design and claim, it's because they're going to get killed and they can't, they can't ask for asylum in their own country. okay, so then i have to ask the question, if there is a mass amounts, like you said,

guatemala hunters were saying from restaurant from these countries where the world organizations that we do have these things called the united nations and other world health world organizations. why are they looking at the government of the country that's allowing this that's pushing these sorts of policies that are making there. people say, where is the account ability on those countries instead of putting the, all of the work at all the pressure and all the bottom right. we say the word burden on countries like the united states and other surrounding to take these immigrants. yeah. um, i would go back to my earlier point, which is, but it's not those countries that are causing this is united states foreign policy . united states for our policy is, is creating conditions and countries around the world. and i work specifically in latin america. so i could speak to many of those countries, but the wars that we have funded, the cruise that we have funded speak economic warfare that we're finding through sanctions. this is what is preventing countries from acting in ways that are sovereign in ways that are best for their own people. and it is what is expelling

people from those countries. if we really wanted to, you know, to do the right thing, we would stop intervening in other countries solver in affairs. and they would stop spending billions of dollars on wars and you know, and, and militarization and other countries that would give us more than it would spend the flow tremendously of asylum seekers. and it would give us more than enough money to pay for. i mean, order system not to mention paper, healthcare in education and things like that. what we desperately need the most century for us are primary and lighting. hold on panel, stay right there. i want to come right back to you after the break, because after the break, we're going to continue with this very good discussion and look at why the united states continues to have the largest amount of immigrants around the world. the

you are watching at 360 view and i'm sorry. now hughes. we're discussing the end of the united states, public health immigration policy called pedal $42.00 and migration across the globe . so let's welcome back professor adrian pine, a visiting professor and department of anthropology and social change of the

california institute of integral studies. and gabriel gunn is a acumen immigrant and executive director for the ready for ron political action committee. thank you both for joining me on this. i'm going to start with you professor pine on this. what are you? i know you were with latin america, but are you concerned about the large amount of non hispanic citizens who are crossing the southern border? and i'm not concerned about it, i, you know, i'm, i'm concerned for their safety and concern that their human rights are respected. i'm concerned about the, the stabilisation that people have experienced in places all around the world. and much of which again, has to do with us for a policy. not all of that. of course, i mean, you can look at entities that are us allies like nato, that are creating tremendous how they're going. it's spelling people from their homes are concerned that people are not able to exercise their human rights to stay in their communities of origin to stay with their families. and that's something

that people are being denied. so yes it's, it's a concern for me, and i think we need to make sure that, that we are respecting international refugee law and in respecting their human rights and ensuring that they are not sitting in greater danger than they have already been in. so traveling such tremendous amount of tremendous distance to try to seek refuge gabriel though we're talking about people that are flying to mexico city from india, some of our own producers author and either find from other countries, they obviously have the money. why are they? why are they seeing folks not trying to do it legally? do you feel like because it's so much easier to come into this other more intuitively, really to get into it legally. it takes a lot of time, you know, sometimes to get an appointment and with the united states. obviously you want to, or depending on where you live, can take up to 34 years just uh, just to get seen by and immigration official is much easier with, with forrest more just come geographically. fly to mexico,

the mexicans aren't doing anything because we, we, we no longer have stay the stay in mexico policy. we have no, we're, we're not just putting a lot of pressure on the mexican government. so they're not doing a whole lot to stop anything. they come through the water and all of them get in, they get paid the payoff, these coyotes who are quite frankly, a do horrendous thing. so a lot of these poor people and, and promising them things that are just simply not true. they're just going to walk in here and everything is going to be rosy. so i think that's unfortunately a situation that we find ourselves in new and then there's no change of seemingly insight. so gabrielle, i have to ask you your own florida gover. ronda sands as well as governor abbot, how you feel about them sitting migrates into the back yards of the democrats, who they perceive are the reason for this problem and the policy that they're putting in place. it was a game of chicken for years. the democrats have been saying that republican is southern states and need to open up their borders and, and take care of these immigrants. well, fair enough it's, it's a, it's

a country of 50 states. and so therefore, because of our proximity to the border, shouldn't mean that the people up north shouldn't have to bear some of those burden . and the 2nd, but they started to send intervenes, of some of these non border states up north, they immediately started school. we have at eric adams and in new york talking about now getting rid of the st. curious the status of the summer on a, on a, on a temporary basis and in new york city and other places doing the same. i think it's a little bit of a box if, if, if, if the southern states are being overwhelmed and you think that it's a in humane not to allow everyone in, well, then you should open up your own doors and welcome these folks in professor pine. i mean, is this fair for those southern states for say, the local budgets to handle, all of the migrants are coming across the border illegally. and what is your response? when you said these buses were bus to, to places like the hamptons to which within 24 hours, the national guard was activated and they cleared them out. you see eric at them saying, tell, we might not be a sanctuary city anymore. how do you feel when these more northern democrats,

their response, and how they're handling the migrant crisis in their own backyard is, well, i live in washington dc where, you know, we've been getting huge numbers of buses coming up to here and people been working very hard to ensure that these people are welcomed and that they're getting, you know, they're, they're receiving the sites for as we are essentially city. um, air guns is no friends to him. i think most democrats are no friends to migrate. so let's be clear about that. however, he got new york under kathy oh, go recently made a really important point which is that there need to be better, better federal and funding and solutions for um, for it disorder. xena phobic, fostering of how can, who can like out out via phobia, who the states are really going to suffer the most from these anti migrant policies are for the in texas. they're already losing millions of dollars are beginning to

experience dramatic work or shortages. this is really a sort of competition for who can be the most beautiful, like a nationalistic, and what we need is, is indeed a federal solution. and so that there's not, you know, too much of a burden for the, the, the states that are off the border. um and, you know, solutions like the ones that adams and, and who were calling for which is expediting the work permit process. it's tremendously difficult for people who are seeking asylum, who are fleeing or risk situations to establish themselves and you know and be safe and to, you know, how sort of the lifestyle that they would like to have and avoid crime. avoid being victims of crime. and so whatever we can do at the federal level to facilitate that, i think that's what we need to to. so professor, since we're considering your talk to all the foreign aid that are currently be given advert or to other countries, why do you think there's not more of

a call to have that money remain at home to take care of this crisis? and what's your answer when you look at there, we have a major homeless problem here in united states. we have is a major challenge to a paying for education. we have a challenge for our health care system. we don't have money right now. currently in the united states, but i didn't even pay for the citizens that we have homeless veterans, we're, we're actually kicked out of hotels. what do you say to those say we don't even have enough money to take care of american citizens right now, or sending billions overseas to other countries? why didn't the more of a call to take care of americans 1st, then take care of other countries as i mean, she might be having american speaking asylum and other countries soon if we keep this up. yeah, i mean i, i think actually we need to look at the global budget. we need to look at the global federal budget. we're spending billions and billions of dollars on a proxy or with russia that is already killed over a $100000.00 ukrainians and displaced millions more. we don't need to be spending that money, but on, on a word it could be as peacefully through negotiation with regard to for an a. i'm

actually in agreement that a lot, a lot of it should be confiscated. specifically, the huge for portion of it that is possibly called a, it is actually going towards the militarization of foreign countries and big, huge corporate extracted projects that are displacing people from their homes and communities and preventing other countries to exercise their right to star and t this would solve the migration crisis, and it would give us billions of dollars back that we would then be able to spend on taking care of our needs as a nation. well, i wanna thank you and gabrielle ayana's and adrian pine to for your discussion. here today and this has been straight out here's with your 360 view of the news you can use. thanks for watching the news. now probably maybe you want

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the coming to live from the rushing capital. this is archie international i, rachel, love it. and here with the top stories of the our welcome to the program, and we begin with the latest from the conflict a new frame. isaac continues to take a daily toll on civilians with lives lost or offended. people are faced with a difficult decision to stay in the face of danger from ukrainian shelling or fleet . some have chosen to find shelter in russia, as ortiz english it, on up reports. the team has made a colossal push to brand the ongoing war as the nationwide uprising against russian invaders. uncomfortable images of young men going out of their way to escape and resist mobilization, swept under the rug, as well as the fact that amid the refugee crisis,

millions ran into the embrace of the supposed abuse cling to russia. this is one of such families. alexander and marie merritt used to live a quiet, reclusive life deep in the local forestry. everything changed when there alone cabin became a target for ukraine's troops. denial slowly made way for acceptance, and the couple made a heart wrenching decision to flee to the nearest town of cream and naya they left behind their old life, but not ukrainian bones. the we do this try ship because we would call sleeping shells. they struck a neighborhood, landed here. if there was no such barrier here, the fragments would have house us. recently they showed us my wife even went to the don't set because of the poisoning. apparently they find some kind of mock. as on the, on the 26, they showed us. so how did they even hit the seller wherever hiding it feels like

they were on the hunt for us before our eyes, the neighboring houses were banding. my husband and i tried to put out defies. the neighbors says, well leave shillings actually sewage to displace as many people as possible, even though apparently when it was the ukrainians of the tech. you know, so even before the russian center, the city on the crane brought the soul, this trouble rush, i did not fly a single shot to the city russians. soldiers were greeted as the real liberators. and now we have the same good attitude towards them. they share the rations with us . we ask the finance, why are you heating us? they say to create more refugees. so they leave their homes and had to the west. the authorities to make good money out of that. in a way that worked 2 days, russia has shows that the mood ukrainian refugees than any of the country. and these people regret nothing too much of some kind of application for

a passport for a quite to an application. for vacation, it will have to be in ukrainian lu. i'm of the stalls. we are forced to speak ukrainian to greet the main ukrainian because the 7 ukrainian i don't understand how so that all seem government offices. my children will forced to speak ukrainian, starting from kindergarten russians, the 2nd largest ethnic group in ukraine, following the 2014 revolution. keith went on the mission to make the life of every single one of them miserable. neo nazi groups were nourished as they hovered above the little. probably see if that of who in 2014, when now self invited sect to appease the give books to schools on how to teach the killing of russian people or the she was at the right site to. it was crazy. and it seems that you can do whatever you want, just call yourself or right sight to men, but they came to us to the hunters cabin when we were still guarding the area. they

broke deluxe for was, i say, tell me, but i'll open it to you. they onto the right site to members, and they do what they want those boss to it's, they beat the only women, that's fine for them. but as the fighting began, they mediately screwed out. since last year, ukraine lost huge swings of its land. as for the people here though, with every policy, every step of the way, t of lost them long before that. i'm gonna get it done over poor thing from the don't bass oxy. meanwhile, in germany, the continuing war and ukraine has seen some politicians in berlin, beginning to question the government's priorities and whether helping to yeah, as being put before, helping people at home as long as you own collision to what do you want to build and you craving you've already filled it up with money just like an all inclusive formula. for all be a box phrase. it doesn't matter what german vote just think is become legendary. and then how about good involved in terms of these directive stumping russian gas

supplies? i quoted you even before people freeze, so they'll have to suspend or even completely stopped by industry. i want to ask, how big are you really on minnesota, the economy, or the minister of come to me of ukraine, whose interest you represent in germany or other countries? us citizen, you know the on site for more on this last cross live now to former member of the german parliament from the alternative for germany party onto our smaller thanks so much for joining us on the program today. now, what's your reaction to this statement? do you think that such thoughts are an isolated case or is there a growing trend against the policies of the shows government a hello together it's sort of an isolated case of my former colleague and dear friend uh, office phone my. he made it clear he expressed clearly. oh, what is this dance? no, i sing with the more than the majority of german people and he did very well as the representative of the leading position party he has to on the line,

are these topics. now when it comes to where the shows government stands, do you think that they are actually listening to these feelings and couldn't lead to action any time soon? no. uh, they're willing to listen to it to anybody. because during the last 2 i'm, i was part of the alternative for germany, a probably mentor a group. and so we were accustomed to being completely ignored everything, what we expressed or, or, or remembered or reminded or, or proposed. every other thing was swept away as the soul told to nazi, because as soon as you criticize government, you will automatically called nancy in germany. oh wow. and now when it comes to the alternative for germany, party polls are actually showing that the popularity of that party is on the rise. do you think that this because people are attracted to his policies, or is there an increase in lack of faith in the countries current leadership?

very good question. uh, i myself, i, i was, uh uh, one of the leaders of the problem into the group of a drum. there are alternative for drawing your pocket. so i know the, our colleagues where the rel, i'm top, my, my frank opinion is that the, the political system of germany itself does not allow a to, to come really qualified people to the 1219 government and northern o position. this is more inside view, and so unfortunately, i think it's more, it's more a reaction to, to what to bold for for a deep north because we'll face interview as it should be fucked up more or less as a sign of a position against government. definitely something that's good to keep in mind. now speaking of that government, back in september, the german foreign minister said that she did not care what german voters thought

and wanted to keep her promises to the people of ukraine to stand by them. for as long as necessary, do you think that berlin still adheres to that approach? now you are close and we are coming closer to to be the that the weak point of, of german or politics since 1945. um, as for example, not only russian president put in also, uh, russian foreign minister or low roof and many other independent politicians over the world. and they, they realized that there was no drum and pull it systems that are capable of defending german interest. vince 1945 for you have lost the war at beg, bam, angle sex on a, a regular successful one. the war at they put in place some puppets who 1st defend engel, sex and interest against german citizens. second, defend angle sex,

some interest against strong society and search you found ingle, sex and interest against germany, calling me and as long as we do not find a solution for these unfortunately, you want to go to mrs. babble is doing or, or even mr. hardwick, nothing will change unfortunately, so we, we, we have to, to make germany silver and again, and from, from that everything else will depend. now on that topic of germans being forced to suffer, the german economy administer has considered reducing or even closing domestic factories to providing much needed gas to other nearby countries. why do you think that germany, i mean, is the use biggest economy is so willing to sacrifice his businesses for the sake of others. and it's a pity, but i think i have now to up to, to, to reiterate what i had also to, to, to do to the other question.